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12:01 AM
@0celo7 :P Google the voltage across a capacitor until you understand it (Maxwell's equations -> voltage across a cap is easy), then the voltage across an inductor (which is less easy to derive -- basically the magnetic field inside a loop of wire is related to the current going through the wire. But this magnetic field has an energy associated to it, so it takes work to change the current)
add them up and it must be zero because you're looking at changes in voltages (electromagnetic scalar potential) and you wind up at the same point you started, so the sum of differences is zero
this "sum of voltages=0" equation is your EOM!
then you can figure out the canonical variables in the hamiltonian
and then I'm lost b/c I have no idea what the intent is there :p
maybe he wants it in terms of voltage instead of charge,
Could be it. $V(\hat{x})$ is an operator after all.
(you don't have to derive those cap/inductor formulas from scratch now, though you certainly will, over, and over, and over, and over again in any E&M class)
 
12:16 AM
@JohnDuffield You're telling me to read a question with -2 points on the main site?
 
such a burn
 
@JohnDuffield Hm, it seems some of the detractors of that answer really don't understand what you were trying to say there.
Oh jeeze, CuriousOne got involved. JohnDuffield and CuriousOne in the same room would be.... interesting.
@0celo7 Chill out, bro. I'm here a lot!
 
@DanielSank Interesting from a large distance.
 
@Slereah Don't try to do resistance and quantum mechanics at the same time.
That's an advanced topic.
@JohnDuffield Ok, I read the question and answer you linked.
What would you like to me take away? Please note that as a practicing quantum physicist I have thought about wave-particle duality plenty. I'm not a n00b here.
 
12:34 AM
resistance is futile
 
@Slereah Resistance against what?
 
It is a hilarious pun
 
@NeuroFuzzy Ha! Easy you say? I tried deriving the inductor equation from first principles four or five times and I always get the wrong sign!
@Slereah I don't get it :(
 
Do you not know the reference
 
@Slereah Borg.
 
12:38 AM
@DanielSank Reference to this message
and the borgs, yes
 
@Slereah Oh, hahaha, ok that's a good one.
 
Don't patronize meeee
 
@Slereah Wasn't.
 
12:51 AM
@NeuroFuzzy The intent was to see that an LC circuit is a harmonic oscillator. We all know how those are supposed to work in quantum-land, and in fact if you make the circuit out of a superconductor so there's no scattering of the electrons you really do get a quantum harmonic oscillator!
This is really, really amazing. You can build an electrical circuit large enough to see with you naked eye which is quantum mechanical. You can measure the quantized energy levels, violate Bell's inequality, the whole works.
 
@DanielSank Hehe i meant inductor easiness $\le$ capacitor easiness :3 it's a true statement!
@DanielSank Wow!!!
I didn't know that!
 
@NeuroFuzzy Yeah. It's so, so amazing awesome.
The high I got the first time I walked out of a nanofabrication clean room with a wafer on which I'd made quantum mechanical elements... it was really awesome.
The field of superconducting qubits revolves around the fact that this works.
It's great because you can literally use circuit designer thinking to engineer the Hamiltonian of your system.
You don't have to worry about finding some God forsaken hyperfine splitting in some random atom. You just decide what transition frequencies you want and engineer it in.
But then again, @JohnDuffield says this is pseudoscience, so maybe everything I'm telling you is wrong ;-)
 
@DanielSank So in the example you were leading 0celo7 on, I mean, you could choose voltage and then your conjugate to voltage... and then your $|\psi(v)|^2$ would be the probability of measuring a certain voltage?
 
@NeuroFuzzy Bin-$%*(^*-go!
It's a bit more natural to use charge and flux instead of current and voltage because the dimensions of charge times flux is action (i.e. hbar), but whatever.
 
I don't know what any of that means.
 
1:00 AM
@0celo7 That's ok.
One step at a time.
 
Can I please go back to easy stuff?
 
@0celo7 What do you have in mind?
 
There is less new terminology in mathematical GR.
 
@0celo7 Ok. If you want to learn about superconducting quantum computing just let me know.
Always happy to help.
 
@ACuriousMind Why are you still up??
 
1:01 AM
And I have no problem spending a long time helping you through the early stages.
 
Your parents must be horrified!
@DanielSank Tbh, I don't really want to learn stuff now which I'll be forced to learn next year.
 
@0celo7 Whatever floats your boat, dude.
 
@DanielSank I don't get much out of "you just derived Ohm's law" when I have no clue why that mess is supposed to be resistance.
 
@0celo7 Ok well you have two options:
1) We talk about why.
2) You throw up your hands and do GR.
I'm fine with either.
 
3) I read a book on electromagnetism
The asscrack of the stadium:
 
1:04 AM
@0celo7 wat?
 
The pretty face at night:
@skillpatrol
@DanielSank It's meant for someone who reads the chat log ;)
@DanielSank Ok, I have to decide if I need to do laundry tonight.
Then I have some homework...how long are you staying up?
 
@0celo7 I dunno, why?
I was planning to go play Smash Bros. tonight.
If I can get my Gamecube back from my friend...
 
@DanielSank That's really amazing. Can't wait until I can look at the quantum mechanics of decoherence/superconductors in a more big-picture view. I'm more in the stage of, "sure, that kinda makes sense with this hamiltonian, and I guess something analogous might happen for the tensor product of $10^23$ particles" :D
 
@NeuroFuzzy Aha! The trick is that in a superconductor all of those $10^{23}$ particles are in their ground state and never leave it.
This is absolutely essential.
 
@DanielSank Because I might or might not have time tonight. Depends on how long laundry and homework takes.
 
1:07 AM
The individual electron states never change. The superconducting state has a gapped ground state. The energy excitation to the next excited state is typically something like 40 GHz.
@NeuroFuzzy we engineer the LC resonance frequency to be considerably lower. That way, the collective motion of the "electron fluid" has a low energy resonance, much lower energy than what you need to disturb the superconductor.
It's SO awesome.
 
You're making me really really want to crack open a textbook :)
 
@NeuroFuzzy The problem is there aren't any books in our field!
I've more or less come to the conclusion that if I have to leave my job when my fiance finishes her post doc I'll spend a year writing a book. It needs to happen.
 
1:27 AM
My roommate: "It obviously doesn't work, because if it did, someone would have done it."
@DanielSank Do it! Will supply free labor.
 
@0celo7 Regarding what?
@0celo7 Dude, you're in college now. You have zero free time.
 
@DanielSank Is that really relevant? That statement does not make sense regarding anything.
@DanielSank Linear algebra class?
@DanielSank I'm getting ahead on homework for tomorrow. Gotta do 5 phase line analyses and then will be ready for E&M.
 
obe
1:50 AM
What is your schedule @0celo7?
 
For what?
 
@0celo7 5 phase line analysis?
 
obe
@0celo7 uni.
 
@DanielSank Find the general shape of autonomous ODEs
constant solutions, asyptotes, etc.
 
@0celo7 Uh... ok.
 
1:52 AM
@obe you want like every day
@DanielSank is there something strange about that?
 
@0celo7 I've never heard the phrase "5 phase line analysis".
 
maybe it's not called that
 
obe
@0celo7 Every single day.
 
@obe no, creep
 
obe
I wasn't serious dude.
I meant what classes are you taking.
 
1:54 AM
then don't ask?
I've said that many times
@DanielSank e.g. $y'=\mathrm{e}^{-y}\cos y$. Determine at the shape of the 1-parameter family and the constant solutions
That's essentially what it is
To do this you draw a phase line
 
Hm, ok.
 
obe
@0celo7 looks through chat logs
 
@obe find the ones around orientation
I know I posted it there
 
2:22 AM
oh god that cosine one is terrible
 
3:08 AM
Ah. The question that just makes you say "Must! Restrain! Snark!".
Seriously. If you know the perihelion and the period you can get the eccentricity, right?
 
 
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4:52 AM
I'm pretty sure this is a duplicate, but I can't find said duplicates.
In any case, I voted to close as unclear what's being asked, since the question contradicts itself.
 
 
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8:14 AM
hey
 
 
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12:35 PM
@DanielSank Yes. Don't pay attention to the -2, science is not a democracy, and we have down-vote issues here at stack exchange. Kids who believe in popscience woo downvote bona-fide physics with robust references. Also see this answer.
 
12:46 PM
@DanielSank The dual slit experiment is explained simply via a wavefunction wavefunction interaction that acts like an optical Fourier transform. We just don't need Copenhagen or the MWI any more. So it's time to stick a stake through the heart of quantum mysticism, and bury it deep.
 
@ACuriousMind The large scale structure of fireworks :D
 
@0celo7 That would be an awesome name for a course
 
@ACuriousMind It seems JD is echoing your thinking that we should do away with all of these interpretations.
 
@0celo7 Yes, with that last sentence I agree wholeheartedly. Although I'm not quite sure we agree on the exact definition of "quantum mysticism".
@DanielSank Voted this as duplicate, but you're right, the "instantly" doesn't make much sense.
 
@ACuriousMind TIL the metric actually has $n(n-1)/2$ degrees of freedom...
Why did no one tell me this before?
 
12:52 PM
@0celo7 ...how could you not have known that?
 
No one told me!
 
Seriously, was it never mentioned in anything you read?
 
No.
I have like 5 books on GR!
 
They probably thought the d.o.f. of a symmetric tensor are obvious :P
Still, bad style not to mention it
 
Yeah, $n(n+1)/2$!
 
12:53 PM
Ah
Wait
Ah, yes, $n$ d.o.f. are killed by gauge freedom
Right?
 
Yes.
No one says that.
I shall investigate this! Time to search all my pdfs for $n(n-1)$...
I can make linear algebra class time useful that way :P
 
@0celo7 What's the current topic?
 
@ACuriousMind Inner products.
And solving vector equations using them.
haha
I told him I can TeX but the Google Docs equation editor sucks.
 
1:20 PM
Why do people write things like "1 (one)"? Are there people who cannot read numerals but can read numbers when spelled out? — DanielSank yesterday
Good question.
 
It's a legal thing.
My father, who has degree in physics, does that.
He also has a business degree.
 
But...answers are not legal documents, why would you do it there?
(I'm wise enough not to ask for the reason for the law behind this)
 
I bet someone got their pants sued for 500 million and now everyone does it for insurance.
@ACuriousMind Habit.
 
1:44 PM
@ACuriousMind I just overheard someone say "definite antiderivative"
@ACuriousMind Moral of the story: every time you get upset at me for saying something derpy, there's always someone out there who thinks "definite antiderivative" is a thing.
 
@0celo7 I don't get upset at you for making errors like that.
 
@ACuriousMind I would.
I do.
I just tried to convince some poor CS major that you need a metric for the dot product to make sense.
He didn't want it to be distributive.
My book is finally in!
 
@0celo7 A mathematician calls that a bilinear form unless you are in differential geometry
@0celo7 Which one?
 
@ACuriousMind The quantum computing one @alarge recommended.
48 hours to get a book...that's crazy. Maybe the physics librarian was out sick or something?
@ACuriousMind As if it matters at this point. My reading list is meaningless now, it's just too long.
@ACuriousMind See! You should be upset! I knew that but didn't say it!
 
2:02 PM
@0celo7 I don't see why that should upset me
 
@ACuriousMind Tough love!
 
I don't even get upset when I make such errors myself, it's something that happens.
 
Oh my god ESO is -$20...
Does it really suck?
I'm tempted...damn you Gaben.
> If photon have zero rest mass then the term E=hf should also be zero because if rest mass is zero then relativistic mass is also zero and so on by Einstein mass energy relation energy shoud be zero but it is not, why?
 
@0celo7 This is why one takes courses, instead of just reading books. In other news, I'm about 90% sure Carroll mentions this
It's actually historically very important, you see. Einstein was, for a long time, convinced there must be something wrong with the theory because the metric tensor only determines everything up to 4 parameters (in 4D). He didn't realize that this was actually what he needed.
I think it took about 1.5 years for him to realize this.
 
@Danu Whoops. I did know that then!
@Danu Yes, and I have not had the chance to take such a course and probably never will.
Actually, now that I think about it, every GR book mentions that.
 
2:19 PM
@0celo7 lmao
 
But not all explicitly state that the metric has $n(n-1)/2$ degrees of freedom.
::shrug::
Lol even Zee says it.
Where's that thing about me being an idiot?
 
Aug 18 at 18:02, by 0celo7
I am an idiot
 
Thank you!
You should macro that :D
 
Please someone help.?
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Q: Verification of Lenz's law in magnetic induction

Aditya Agarwal So the device is a Galvanometer. According to the Lenz's Law, when we take the magnet towards the coil, the pole at the right end, should be north pole and when we take it away, the pole should be south. And the reason is inertia. And my question(s) are- 1. If we take the magnet inside, due ...

 
@0celo7 It's just the rephrasing that tripped you up ^^
 
2:26 PM
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Q: Request for discussion on a specific question

Aditya AgarwalThe Question I posted this question yesterday, but there was no "movement". So I write here, to kinda "promote" it for discussion. So please have a look at it.

 
@DanielSank I luv u longtime
 
@Danu Yeah...
 
Knock Knock? @0celo7 @Danu @ACuriousMind
 
The question is barely a day old. Have patience. — ACuriousMind 4 mins ago
Some questions are just unlucky. Some aren't interesting to anyone. You don't get special treatment.
 
@AdityaAgarwal Also it's just not an interesting question. Sorry.
 
2:32 PM
@ACuriousMind ::looks at that one string question::
 
The only way you should get "special attention" for your question is by posting a bounty.
 
Damn you Gerard...
 
(Or having an interesting enough question for someone else to post a bounty on it)
 
But I can start a bounty tomorrow?
It would be too late..
 
@AdityaAgarwal There is no such thing as "too late" for an SE question. We are not a homework help site or something like that.
 
2:35 PM
It is not homework. I have a test tomorrow.
Please, can't you just give an intuition
?
 
It would be simple for you. Can't you help?
 
@0celo7 Her first song was better
"better"
The one where she's like yeah I like you so much come on over and then boom "fuck you" or something like that :P
 
At least tell, are you answering or not?
 
@Danu Should I know this...artist?
 
2:38 PM
@AdityaAgarwal No, I'm not. Please don't take this personally.
@ACuriousMind She's worth taking a look at... JK it's terrible.
 
@Danu In a lecture, haven't even listened to it.
 
@0celo7 Don't waste your time ;)
(on the lecture :D)
 
Kinematics...
 
Disregard scientific knowledge, indulge in pop music.
 
ugh
 
2:41 PM
I found lecture is one less effective way of learning.
 
Heavily depends on who's doing the lecture. Good lectures are better than almost everything you could read.
 
it is true.
 
@Shing I find it much more effective than textbooks.
(even with mediocre lecturers)
 
I learned a lot from some big guys' talks.
 
except group theory from physicists
 
2:44 PM
No clue what Dr. Kit is going on about
 
(or general serious mathematics, probably)
 
Looks like...integrating something?
 
WHat class is it ocelot?
 
Physics 1
 
Why group theory from physicists are bad? I never took one, but my friend complained that too.
 
2:45 PM
Because group theory is lies and physicists are bad liars
 
lol
 
@Danu I noticed you answered this.
Were there really no duplicates?
 
And speaking of technique skills (e.g. working out that path integral) you have, sooner or later you will get there, I think what really matters is ideas, good ideas. It is something very hard to train yourself.
I mean Technical skills
 
@JohnDuffield Ok, please explain why, at low intensity, we observe one spot at a time on the screen in the two-slit experiment.
 
@DanielSank Didn't bother to look.
 
2:49 PM
You're not the first to ask this question. For a discussion, see physics.stackexchange.com/q/54975Danu Sep 21 '13 at 20:46
 
(note how long ago that was---I wasn't a super serious user back then)
 
You wrote that comment half an hour before your answer :P
 
@ACuriousMind Lmao
@ACuriousMind But the link is not really a dupe I think
 
Just saying that "Didn't bother to look" can't be true :D
 
It's too long ago for me to really remember what I was thinking :P
@ACuriousMind I just assumed that because it does seem rather plausible that ther's a dupe, but I answered nonethless
 
2:51 PM
@JohnDuffield Now also, if you please, explain why in my laboratory I find that the rate of energy swapping between two harmonic oscillators goes as the square root of the amount of energy involved in the swapping. Please do it without quantum mechanics.
 
@DanielSank You should ask ACM. He disagrees with every interpretation, in a sense.
 
@JohnDuffield Also, if you please, explain my lab's Bell violation data.
 
I don't think JD is arguing against quantum mechanics.
 
@0celo7 I think I've talked with DanielSank about that before. His views are fine.
 
Just the common interpretations, right?
 
2:52 PM
@0celo7 I'm really more interested in understanding @JohnDuffield's opinions. He seems to think he's got it all figured out and everyone else is muddled in confusion.
 
@0celo7 He thinks an electron is a electromagnetic wave going around in a Dirac belt. :P
 
@ACuriousMind ::tears of joy::
 
@ACuriousMind ...you're telling me it's not oO
I need an infusion of Einstein and evidence!
 
@DanielSank :)
 
@DanielSank What are your views and why does @ACuriousMind approve?
 
2:54 PM
@0celo7 Question too broad. I vote to close.
2
 
Screw you star person!
 
@0celo7 Why?
 
Do you prefer an interpretation?
 
I like getting starred. Makes me feel like I won something.
4
 
Jul 20 at 14:24, by ACuriousMind
@0celo7 stop insulting the astronomers
 
2:55 PM
I don't remember you saying that...must be Alzheimers.
Explains why I forgot that $n(n-1)/2$ thing...
 
@0celo7 I have never heard an official interpretation that made any sense.
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None of them are willing to say crazy enough things needed to be self consistent.
 
@0celo7 It was the exact same exchange - you say "Screw you star person", and then I said that.
 
Wait...were you serious about the "Sank interpretation?"
@ACuriousMind It's you...
Or is it @Danu...
You and Danu are the common factors in this situation...
 
@0celo7 But are we prime factors?
 
@0celo7 Yeah, more or less. I explained it on Reddit once to some glorious soul who was willing to go back and forth with me for pages.
 
2:58 PM
You're too skinny to be a prime cut ;)
 
^ Burn
 
@DanielSank I'd be willing.
 
@0celo7 I'm not. I don't find it particularly interesting.
...and you'll think I'm insane.
 
@Danu No, why would I run with a suit on!?
 
Part of the interpretation is that humans are magic boxes which break all the rules. The thing is, you have to do that to get a self-consistent theory, and I firmly believe that self-consistence is more important than sanity of a theory.
NB: I don't think that humans really are magic boxes, but I also think it's important to explain the data and not overextend an interpretation past what we really can say.
On a related note: I heard Sean Carroll talk about "deriving the Born rule" at the APS meeting last year. After the talk, I had the good luck to be called upon to ask a question.
I asked him if he thought anything he had talked about had even the slightest chance of influencing the design or outcomes of an experiment.
He said "no".
 
3:02 PM
@ACuriousMind I'm 13
@0celo7 I'm pretty fat ^^
 
@Danu Judging from your humor, that's correct. ;)
 
@0celo7 Because life
@ACuriousMind Ba-dum-tssss
 
@ACuriousMind rekt
 
I do have a bit of a habit of incorporating prime numbers in my daily life
 
@JohnDuffield Have you ever considered the possibility that you actually might be wrong?
For whatever it's worth to you, I think that answer was down-voted because it's wandering and not particularly clear, regardless of the accuracy or relevance of the content.
 
3:08 PM
Maybe humans are magic boxes.
 
@0celo7 I doubt it. I even wrote a philosphy essay about why I think they aren't for a college course in metaphysics.
God bless my grader. He was an ex-chemist and was delightfully receptive to my science influenced style.
 
What was the main reason?
 
Hey, btw @ACuriousMind you "twisted my words" a bit with that FLT communication question. Also @DanielSank
Look at the comments. I first told the guy it was probably duplicate-ish
then OP responds, saying the problems lie elsewhere. Then, I post an answer 12 minutes later.
I think I handled it quite reasonably
 
@0celo7 The fact that you can get drunk, lose control of your body and fall down the stairs, and then wake up the next morning with no memory of it.
Little Bobby Fratboy was the protagonist (and antagonist) of my essay.
 
I can't find a question that is, in general, about the relation between quantum mechanics, projective representations, universal covers, and central extensions. I'm thinking of a question that showcases e.g. $\mathfrak{so}(2)$ on the one hand, and the Witt algebra on the other, and asks why a central extension appears in one case, but not the other.
 
3:13 PM
@Danu I didn't twist anything. I just asked if there weren't any duplicates. I didn't notice the times etc.
 
(Because I'd like to answer such a question)
 
@DanielSank You didn't twist; I just wanted you to also read the timeline I just outlined
 
@Danu k
 
@ACuriousMind I'd like to read such an answer.
 
@DanielSank Your argument for why humans aren't magic boxes is that we can get drunk as hell? :D
 
3:14 PM
Haha
 
@ACuriousMind Yes, and I got an A for that, if I recall correctly.
 
...and proceeded to get drunk in celebration, eh?
 
Canadian alert
 
@ACuriousMind I hated the lectures for that course, but I had a lot of fun with the essarys. My final paper had a mobius strip with world lines stapled to it.
It had something to do with the notion of identity.
 
Your essays sound fun
 
3:17 PM
I think my point was something rather Socratic: everybody's formal notions were uninformed garbage.
 
@ACuriousMind Just ask it yourself
 
Ah, the certainty of the youthful student...
@ACuriousMind I had to do something to avoid ending it all. The lectures were so miserable.
 
@Danu I know, but I didn't want to ask it if it already exists. Having a self-Q&A closed as dupe would be embarassing :P
@DanielSank Lecturer's or topic's fault?
 
Lol, I bet you would VTC too.
 
@ACuriousMind Lecturer's for sure.
Whenever my buddy would bring up relativity in discussions of identity the prof just deflected. I thought the point of that course was to get some science up in philosophy's grill and see what happens. I was wrong.
There was actually an entire lecture on some issue X, in which the professor explained the positions of schools of thought A and B.
He explained why A and B disagree on X.
 
3:21 PM
Let me guess: Plot twist: Both A and B are evidently wrong.
 
At the end of the lecture, I asked if it weren't the case that A and B think the same thing, but that disparate use of terminology lead to apparent disagreement.
He actually responded that this observation was inadmissible because it would render the issue trivial and then there'd be nothing to discuss.
Job security via being an insufferable moron.
 
@DanielSank lol
 
@ACuriousMind You laugh now.
 
"Observations that resolve the issue are prohibited"?!?!
 
At the time I was all excited about my university's special "physics and philosophy" major, specifically designed for people like me.
That course made me drop the philosophy and go full physics.
@ACuriousMind Yes. Explicitly, apparently.
He was not the only philosopher I met who said that.
If you ever want to hate your life go read a few posts on r/philosophy.
 
3:25 PM
@ACuriousMind It doesn't lol
 
@ACuriousMind I vs 1 vs l vs | etc.etc.etc.
no that's wrong message, It's supposed to be a reply form a post 205 psots ago
and is not by Acuriousmind
I'll fix this...
much better...
 
vzn
3:45 PM
did someone say "interpretation"? =D
 
@vzn Nevarrrr
 
vzn
@Danu spoken like the villain ultron in avengers, right? :P
 
Does quantum mechanics assume no law of causality?
Is that all the argument of interpretation about? A friend of mine insist on causality, and think qm has "fundamental problem". Not sure if he is a crackpot or what.
 
@Shing What is a "law of causality"? Does classical mechanics have such a thing?
 
@ACuriousMind I mean determinism, sorry for my lousy english.
 
3:53 PM
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Q: Is the universe fundamentally deterministic?

MRashidI'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this question. I realise that this maybe a borderline philosophical question at this point in time, therefore feel free to close this question if you think that this is a duplicate or inappropriate for this forum. Anyway, I'm an electrical engineer a...

 
Thanks for the link :D
 
@Shing Also, you'll have to define what exactly you mean by "deterministic"
E.g. classical mechanics can already fail to give unique solutions to the equations of motion, look up "Norton's dome"
 
vzn
@Shing your friend is not a crackpot (merely for that assertion alone). study "nonlocality" and "bells thm" etc which is related to causality. QM does seem to mix up the concept of causality, but not really admitting it directly; rather, it is swept under the rug so to speak.
 
Can I define deterministic as "given x(t') and v(t'), for all t, x(t) and v(t) are found and unique?
 
vzn
@Shing contrast QM with the laplacian theory of "deterministic" physics which was overturned.
 
3:59 PM
Thanks for the information, I am looking the Norton's dome up now.
 
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