The Periodic Table

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

05:07

@santiago I see what happened there. That guy's, a little bit outta his league, usually.

The other ones are waaay better than him.

@santiago I still haven't got the time to finish it. :(

santiago

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M that guy is an idiot

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Well, yeah. I think I can agree.

santiago

unfortunately, he seems to be a pet of some of the others there

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

05:24

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Why does this somehow sound rantish to me?

santiago

tis a rant

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Prolly cause their main site is Stack Overflow. Stack Overflow's harsh.

Some people come here and say a variation of "YOU SUCK" but when they realize we're more friendly, they get happy like @PH13.

obe

What are some advanced physical chemistry books?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

How advanced? Welcome to the chatroom BTW!

obe

Thank you, at the level of McQuarrie/Atkins or higher.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

05:35

What should the topics be about?

Thermodynamics?

Kinetics?

There's Mortimer's physical chemistry, lemme check.

Oh, it doesn't seem to be that advanced.

obe

Quantum topics.

I prefer more advanced math.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Ahh.

Try Levine's books.

7th edition.

Haven't read them myself though.

obe

I'm starting to get back into chemistry.

I failed to make the IChO team 3 years ago and then transferred to learning physics.

I remember chemistry was really cool though, particularly physical chemistry.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I thought physical chem is the coolest, then I realized organochem is waaaaaaaaaaaay cooler.

obe

I think organochem is the reason why I left. :]

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

05:48

Heh, why?

obe

I don't know exactly, I remember something about reaction mechanisms and synthesis that bothered me.

Or that it lacked math.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Cool profile image.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Reaction mechanisms lack math, and that's cool.

They're more qualitative I agree. But at least they're real reactions in real conditions.

What I hate about the physical chem we study is that it's always unreal in some sense. (friction ~0, the system is fully adiabatic etc.)

@obe Bows

I need to go; cya later @Obe. BTW, where are you from?

obe

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Toronto. uoft.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Noice!

Seriously though, math class comin' up. I should get going. TTYL

obe

Bye.

santiago

10:41

SPAM! chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/35395/…

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

12:36

@santiago Dammit! Didn't get to flag, as usual.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

16:19

Heh, half the people here are new guys.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

19:38

Welcome back @obe

Guys I want to throw some things in meta to discuss.

obe

Thanks, I'll be here often.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Hooray!

Lemme introduce/wake up other people here:

This is mainly the conspiracy table for Germans. Like @Martin, @PH13 and @Loong.

Loong

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M ?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

There's also square (AKA @Bon), from the UK.

@Loong Shhh I'm doing the ritual of introduction.

(And mass-pinging)

Loong

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M oh

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

19:50

Hides

There's also @Todd, from the US.

There's also this inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M guy, but he's an idiot.

And is from Iran.

There's also @santiago, from somewhere in this galaxy.

obe

Cool, I know some of you.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

And sometimes @Ont, from Srilanka or India or somewhere like that.

@Mith is from Poland.

And he's pretty knowledgeable.

@Obe that's about all of the people who regularly chat here.

obe

I've forgotten a lot of the chemistry I learned before.

Any tips on how to re-learn it though at an advanced level?

I read Oxtoby, the entire book, 3 years ago.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Re-read what you read.

obe

Same book then?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

19:58

(That's too many Rs for my mind)

@obe It's a lot faster.

Also, read stuff in chem.SE. :}

obe

Will do.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Well, some people like me write tutorial-like answers.

Some, like Dave or Klaus, tend to stick to the point.

(Which makes it harder for people with less background to understand their answers)

A lot of Ron's answers are really cool and teach me a lot of stuff.

BTW, @Obe @Martin is a lovely and ಠ_ಠ dude who prefers to write books in his answers; you may find them helpful™. And, he's a computational chemist, so his answers are usually bonding and quantum chemistry.

obe

Cool, I'll begin learning soon.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@PH13, Wildcat and Brian have a lot of up-goer five quantum-chemistry answers @Obe, in different levels. @PH13 is also wishing to be a computational chemist, and he's often here (A bit busy these days though)

So I think you luckily have a lot of available sources with different colors.

obe

For physical chem I'm reading the relevant chapters in Cohen-T QM book.

I couldn't find a copy of Levine though.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

20:17

This question is too broad. You really should read a book or two first. Try Szabo and Ostlund's "Modern Quantum Chemistry". Its like $10 brand new. — LordStryker 30 mins ago

@San @San @SAN!

L  . . . L . . . LORDSTRKA!

Where are you Lord? :'(

obe

20:35

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Are you a student, professor, postdoc?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@obe I have a PhD in lol-ic chemistry, however, I'm still 16 years old in any other fields of chemistry.

obe

I see, what is lol-ic chemistry?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Chemistry of . . . Good question, next.

BTW @Obe all of that is a joke. :P

I'm 16.

obe

I'm older than you then, by 1 year.

lol

PH13

20:51

o/

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@PH13 @Obe is amazed by my lolic powers.

\o

And then it turns out, I have a busy day tomorrow; it's 1:25 a.m. here and thus  . . .

obe

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Are you on the IChO team?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@PH13 Don't make a mess with chatroom while I'm gone. ಠ_ಠ And teach @Obe some German quantum chemistry.

@obe No, I'm gonna be taking the olympiad this year.

obe

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M How difficult is yours compared to mine?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

How difficult is yours compared to mine?

PH13

20:56

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M we all are

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

(Read: How am I supposed to know)

I've only seen chem questions from USA.

And thank God I haven't still seen German questions.

obe

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M cheminst.ca/sites/default/files/pdfs/Outreach/ChemistryContest/…

PH13

do they differ?

obe

I failed that, I got 70% and didn't make the team. @inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

And that's how you get a free sheet of olympiad questions.

obe

20:58

The level of organic chemistry on the IChO is completely unacceptable to me.

It's like advanced undergraduate level, and takes 75% of the questions.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@obe Sounds pretty much like ours third stage (qualification stage), but a little easier, at least the first question is.

Waiwaiwait, I didn't ask how many stages you have in Canada.

obe

IChO 2010 had a lot of physical chemistry stuff, that was simple.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Scrolling down to organochem stuff

obe

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M There are two stages.

That was stage 1.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Your funeral.

obe

21:02

Right.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Wait, huh, that's why it sounds kinda easy.

PH13

what's the hardest question?

obe

Stage 2 is has practical lab component, and has a lot of organic.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Third stage questions here make you dizzy

obe

I left that behind me though.

I will only learn physical/inorganic chemistry.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

21:03

Ahh, so you guys only have our stage 1 omitted.

(Stage 1 is pretty useless anyway)

obe

We don't need a stage 1 because there are only 500 or so people writing it.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Wow.

obe

15 move on to the last stage.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

It's just a little bit more here, like, 58 times that.

obe

IPhO is even worse here.

The team is not funded.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

21:05

There were 29000 participants, of whom 600 were chosen, then 40 were chosen in stage two, and 8 won the gold medal in stage three. (AKA the IChO team)

obe

Did you write it last year?

I was 15 when I became a loser.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

10th (or 9th, haven't figured it out yet) students don't get to participate in stage 3.

It was pointless for me anyway.

BTW @Obe aside from chirality (which I haven't completely studied yet) no other organochem questions seem unfairly advanced to me.

But they're nice questions. :}

obe

I barely learned it.

PH13

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M what's with your answer now ... is it finished?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I'll ask @PH13 to ask them on the main site with the title "PLZ HALP ORGANOCHEM HOMWERK".

@PH13 No . . . I keep procrastinating like @Martin.

12k chars left.

PH13

21:10

1 mio chars written, 12k left?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

(Oxidation states for group 13 and 14, and transition metals and noble gases are the only topics that are left)

@PH13 The max limit for answers is 30k.

You can request to increase that limit, but I won't for a first hypothetical answer.

So I've typed 18.5k chars last I checked, @PH13.

And with some colorful images. And colorful formatting. And cute boxes.

PH13

holy moly ...

I don't know what to write in 30k chars about oxidation numbers

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

BTW @PH13 how should I categorize transition metals?

According to E0? Groups?

Periodic trends?

PH13

what is E0? transition metals are most time their own group

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@PH13 My way of writing "standard reduction potential".

PH13

21:16

ok

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I saved it in Word for now, and ironically, I've named it "blank document":

PH13

do you have groups where you want to fit them in, or do you want to create groups for them based on properties?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@PH13 I mean groups in the periodic table, 3 to 12.

I'm writing an epic answer about oxidation states. The curious may see my progress here.

Holy moly indeed; I've written 149 paragraphs?!

PH13

muhahaha ... now we know your name

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@PH13 ಠ_ಠ

PH13

21:19

my guess for your first name was correct, the second one is surprising

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Bah, whatever.

How?

My name is already exposed in ELL's chats. I know ~~you're nice guys~~ you're too cute to harm me, so I just shrug . . . juuust shrug.

PH13

my prejudices lead my to sth like ahmed or whatever transcription you would use ...

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

You can call me MA or Amin or MAR or Я.A.M if you want.

People IRL call me a thousand names.

PH13

or the prophet

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

That too.

BTW @Obe you're not alone, a lot of people end up saying ARE YOU REALLY 16? OMG ROFL LOL <insert internet meme abbreviation here>

And I'm waiting for your first post on chem.SE. ಠ_ಠ

There comes @Mith Hides

BTW shouldn't I be sleeping?

PH13

21:26

you should

ask your mother

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

> Mom! Should I sleep?

> zzz

Her answer is vague.

PH13

:D

wake her up now and ask ... xD

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Nah. Too lazy to stand up.

PH13

understand that

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

My inner and outer leg cloud density distribution function calculation pollution is so low after gym.

Huh I successfully managed to put four -tions together

0

Q: How much plastic can be made from 1 liter of petrol?

I know plastic cant be created from pure petrol, but i'm interested to know how much plastic you could make from the oil that would otherwise be used to make the 1 liter of pertrol

polymers

Hmm . . . what to do? WHAT to do?

It's not scary, but it's asking for "four-hour-long calculations" and I hate that.

PH13

21:30

^^

I'm doing ... or let the computer do ... calculations since yesterday

and until tomorrow evening, I guess

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

And that's how you star your own message

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Q: Reactions of structures involving oxygen in middle of a ring with H+ / H2O

So i am working out on some problems on alkenes and alkynes reactions like OMDM , HBO , Epoxidation , Deydration of alcohol and more but some problems came across me involving structures in which oxygen is in middle of a ring and there is double bond or other group too . I am confused if i should...

organic-chemistry

Facepalm

Seth Rollins

14 3

organic-chemistry reaction analytical-chemistry homework

And this, my friends, is what happens when WWE superdorks meet chemistry.

PH13

there is a common "joke" around here about some teacher trainee who asked how the oxygen gets into the cyclohexane

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Phillip posted that a big while ago.

PH13

:D

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Actually, Phillipp is whom I meant.

What's the difference between Philipp and Phillip and philips?

PH13

21:38

and there must have been guys who wanted to measure the temperature with volumetric pipettes

Philipp <- correct version
Phillip and philips <- wrong versions

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Yeah right.

</sarcasm>

Oh, found it!!!!one!!

Sep 2 '14 at 20:11, by Philipp

@LordStryker Oral examination for organic chemistry labratory: Talking about aromatic compounds and writing down the structure of benzene. Then the student asks the golden question: Why is there a big oxygen atom inside the cyclohexane ring :'O

PH13

yes ... so hard xD

Mithoron

eeeeee?!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

How should I translate that @Mith?

Mithoron

8| maybe

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

21:43

And what does 8 bar mean?

PH13

so ... which one is the most stable?

late night chem quiz

Mithoron

My eyes were quite wide open for a while

PH13

I thought of coloring it but then I said: meh

@Mithoron like ಠ_ಠ ?

Mithoron

ಠ_ಠ - how are making this stuff?

PH13

@Mithoron japaneseemoticons.me/table-flipping-emoticons

Mithoron

21:49

Probably answer D

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Mithoron Search for Unicode face characters.

@PH13 You sir have succeeded in making me yawn.

PH13

that's at least my source of ┌(☆o★)┘

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M because question is super easy?

@Mithoron it's under feelings > negative > angry

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

No, because my laptop crashed and restarted.

PH13

xD

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@PH13 That's a nice description of your feelings. Why am I not surprised?

PH13

21:53

I am not responsible for their random grouping

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@PH13 The one that's happier.

PH13

for me this would be: actions > more fun action > challenging the prophet guy

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I needs sleep.

PH13

not before answering the quiz

(╬ Ò ‸ Ó)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Slap me so I'll fall dead.

@PH13 I haven't still studied about the stability of organic images. Try again later.

PH13

21:55

(ノಠ ∩ಠ)ノ彡( o°o)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

If @Mart was here, he'd've said: Stability towards what?

My eyes hurt now, I must sleep.

Zzz @PH13

Mithoron

It should be probably relatively lowest energy rotamer

PH13

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M then, reformulating it for you: which one has the highest contribution to ground state geometries based on boltzman weighted gas phase absolute energies?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

O.o 2:32 a.m.

@PH13 The fifth one.

PH13

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M thx, that one was hiding til now

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

21:59

You're welgone. Now g'night or I'll . . .

PH13

Leave Now and Never Come Back

►

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Aye aye captain!

PH13

good night ;)

Mithoron

bye :)

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