The Whiteboard

Robert Harvey

12:00 AM

@MichaelT Of... course you can.

user55340

@RobertHarvey Should I check to see if RobertHarvey.wtf is available?

Robert Harvey

robertharvey.wtf is always available.

24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

You're welcome.

user55340

1:02 AM

When stack exchanges collide...

user55340

14

A: How can I liquefy my enemies?

Fluoroantimonic acid (HSbF6) gun Fluoroantimonic acid is a colorless super acid (Looks just like water!), even more corrosive than sulfuric acid. Fluoroantimonic acid is 2×10^19 (20 quintillion) times stronger than 100% sulfuric acid. Fluoroantimonic acid has a H0 (Hammett acidity function) val...

user55340

2

Q: How long would it take to dissolve someone using fluoroantimonic acid?

After writing an answer on worldbuilding.SE, I came here to ask a question. How long would it take to dissolve a human body using fluoroantimonic acid? I understand that since the human body isn't homogenous, it's a bit tough to get the exact calculation, but lets say we create a mannequin using...

user55340

Why would someone want to know that? — PH13 6 hours ago

user55340

I was going to google for data, but I decided that I'd rather not be put on an(other) FBI watchlist. — chipbuster 5 hours ago

user55340

That said, if you want to read about fun chemistry... Things I won't work with

user55340

1:08 AM

You know of Hydrogen Peroxide? H-O-O-H? What if you stick a few more 'O's in there? H-O-O-O-H and beyond...

user5115790

3:40 AM

greetings from Colombia

how are youu?

gnat

6:38 AM

...also, please don't cross-post: workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/50761/… (side note repost going to the site absolutely unrelated to progrramming makes yet another indication of the question block at SO) — gnat 1 min ago

^^^ that guy is really desperate. Dumping code question at TWP, wow. Just... wow

Rubinum

8:13 AM

test

Duga

9:36 AM

I don't agree that this is not constructive. Could it be re-opened if moved to programmers.stackexchange.com ? — stackoverflowwww 36 secs ago

Duga

10:57 AM

I believe that this question is suitable for programmers.stackexchange.com — Jasper Blues 5 secs ago

user5115790

1:50 PM

hello, greetings from Colombia

i need help jeje

user114359

2:10 PM

@gnat do you ever sleep? Based on the times I see you post, I can't even figure out which continent you live on.

ratchet freak

@Snowman sure he does check his activity graphs

user5115790

hello, greetings from Colombia

Thomas Owens

@Snowman @gnat is a bot. Bots don't sleep.

Jimmy Hoffa

Happy coffee day

Robert Harvey

Just got mine.

Sumatra. Though I think maybe they just put that on the packet for effect.

user5115790

2:14 PM

can anyone help with a logic I do not understand javascript please?

Jimmy Hoffa

Dubya got jury duty? Something about somebody of such stature being on a jury duty strikes me as a bad idea; somebody else might hate his politics and refuse to agree with him, or perhaps he's simply far better at leading than anybody in the room and get's everybody to line up behind him, any way you slice it, seems prone to problems

If I was a lawyer, I'd try getting him thrown off

user114359

I just finished a Cherry Coke Zero. I prefer my caffeine cold.

user114359

user114359

I am not sure I would want this guy on a jury

Jimmy Hoffa

@Snowman I may not agree with his policies, but he did a job for 8 years that I couldn't ever have done, and even if he was a total idiot or utterly incompetent as is said; anybody would end up a fair bit smarter after 8 years of that

user114359

2:19 PM

@JimmyHoffa I think Douglas Adams got it right when he talked about the President.

user5115790

Friends, please help me I need a logic implemented in javascript..no let me die

Robert Harvey

@user5115790 You might get better results here. Read their rules first.

Jimmy Hoffa

@user5115790 you're missing a comma after "no"

user114359

Does it have to do with this question?

user114359

-1

Q: Implement algorithm for polygons in javascript

I have to implement this algorithm in javascript. This article explains the algorithm must be applied. http://lambert.nico.free.fr/tp/biblio/Dougeniketal1985.pdf Is to have multiple polygons, vertices vary with respect to a common value For example, each polygon is a region of a map, then ...

javascript algorithm google-maps logic

Jimmy Hoffa

2:21 PM

@RobertHarvey thick rich flavor, but not terribly bitter?

user41796

@JimmyHoffa I'm a strong advocate of terminating all javascript lines with a semicolon too even if the underlying engine will infer it for you.

user114359

@GlenH7 I agree;

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 what? no, ugh it's not even 9 and you're trying to pick fights? Why;

user114359

Optional constructs that can stop you from shooting yourself in the foot are not optional.

Robert Harvey

No semicolons in my coffee.

user41796

2:22 PM

True. Too early to hash out programming philosophy. Backing to working through some legacy winforms... <sigh>

Jimmy Hoffa

You just like it when my head pops ? Don't be mean : White space increase readability, semicolons increase reading content;

user41796

@RobertHarvey I wonder how coffeescript's overall adoption rate is going

Robert Harvey

This Aussie company I'm now working for has UI that doesn't look anything like Winforms.

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 I found it quite pleasant...

user41796

@JimmyHoffa semicolons help enforce intent. And that's important.

Jimmy Hoffa

2:23 PM

@GlenH7 new lines help enforce intent. And that's important.

user5115790

@Snowman yes!, I need help with this question ..

Jimmy Hoffa

@user5115790 but you just said we should let you die

Robert Harvey

@user5115790 Did we mention the Javascript chat room? I'm sure we did.

user41796

It's been a few years since I've had to touch winforms. One thing I like is the synchronous nature of web service calls. Means I can leave the debugger sitting on a line for a while and everything stays in place as I expect it to

user41796

4 mins ago, by Robert Harvey

@user5115790 You might get better results here. Read their rules first.

user5115790

2:25 PM

no, I said please do not let me die. I do not speak English well hehe

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 yeah, WinForms are like stepping back in time a bit, but they're also easy as hell.

Robert Harvey

@JimmyHoffa Mind the spaghetti.

user41796

@JimmyHoffa Once you find the right event to hook into, most definitely

user114359

@user5115790 I think you are better off asking on SO, but I strongly recommend following Robert Harvey's advice. Please read how to ask. It is a really good writeup of how to ask a good question that receives good answers.

Duga

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because you don't have anything resembling a programming question. Maybe it would fit on Programmers.SE? — Useless 47 secs ago

user114359

2:26 PM

Of course he recommended the JS chat room on SO... failure on my part.

Jimmy Hoffa

@RobertHarvey it can be so much worse. So much worse. At least the UI framework itself is such that you can't not see what you're supposed to do in any given situation.

Robert Harvey

The Myth of the Fullstack Developer

user5115790

I asked in many rooms, but I still have not received a good answer, I tried many things but still no results.

user41796

@RobertHarvey Had a resume come across my inbox with the person advertising themselves as a full stack developer. I laughed.

Robert Harvey

@user5115790 Then you need to improve your overall Javascript competency by writing more code, reading more books and taking more classes. Javascript is not a difficult language, but like any programming language, it will beat you senseless if you haven't taken the time to learn it properly.

Jimmy Hoffa

2:28 PM

@ThomasOwens new tact; who needs a french press? That industrial grinder at the grocer practically turns the grinds into a gas. One heaping spoon in a cup of hot water like you're making swiss miss seems to work fine.

user41796

@user5115790 And we're politely trying to tell you that you won't receive a good answer from this room either.

user5115790

Excuse me, but I can do to recibr a good answer.?

user41796

5 mins ago, by Snowman

@user5115790 I think you are better off asking on SO, but I strongly recommend following Robert Harvey's advice. Please read how to ask. It is a really good writeup of how to ask a good question that receives good answers.

user41796

Read the linked article on "How to ask"

Robert Harvey

fullstack.wtf

ME: How much do you want for fullstack.com
THEY: Dear Robert,

I appreciate your interest, however, why are you assuming that the site name is for sale to begin with?

Please advise.
ME: Because you've got it parked on a useless spam website, that's why.

user41796

2:38 PM

look for fullstack.sucks instead

Thomas Owens

Just buy iamona.horse or imona.horse and get it over with.

ratchet freak

there isn't a boat top level domain?

user41796

programming.ona.boat

Robert Harvey

A rash of bad questions on the front page this morning.

Jimmy Hoffa

@RobertHarvey rash's are never good, you should get that looked at

user41796

2:50 PM

We don't accept code implementation or troubleshooting questions here, sorry. You could try Stack Overflow, but you need to ask a better question than this one. Read stackoverflow.com/help/how-to-ask — Robert Harvey 2 mins ago

user41796

Every now and then, I want to pretend to argue with you about comments like that and to take the premise of "What do you know about SO anyway?"

TRiG

I can see this actually happening:

Sadly, it probably won't even have enough gas to make it to the first border crossing.

user41796

@TRiG I had a similar thought when I read that one

Robert Harvey

@GlenH7 See that diamond after my name?

Ohhhh, shiny diamond.

user41796

@RobertHarvey I know, that would be the best part of it. Because so few new posters would take the time to click through SO and figure out who you are.

Jimmy Hoffa

2:58 PM

@GlenH7 everyone knows who he his pretty immediately upon meeting him: Some grumpy gray beard just waiting for you to mention IoC so he can start throwing rocks at you

user41796

Rocks hurt less than ban hammers. Just sayin'

Robert Harvey

I'm warming up to the idea of IoC a bit. But the interfaces. My God, all those interfaces.

user114359

Telastyn

it's a problem when you have more interfaces than classes.

Jimmy Hoffa

3:14 PM

@Telastyn no, you know what's a problem? Class inequality and immobility, and immotility! Those are problems!

user41796

Can we get one more delete vote on this, please

Telastyn

heheh

Robert Harvey

Oh, and we don't even use an IoC container here.

Just explicit interface implementation, lots of that.

Telastyn

I'm okay with that.

Jimmy Hoffa

I have a class with a concurrent dictionary associating T to Func<T>, you really don't need more. Add functions to it that construct the type or return the same constant instance of the type. Voila.

Easy enough to use a monkey get's the idea

user41796

3:26 PM

I CAN HAZ MONKEYZ?

ratchet freak

@GlenH7 no have some cats instead

user41796

All of my cats look like dogs.

evinda

Hi!!! How are you? :)

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 I had a dog that looked like a cat... or maybe that was just a cat that liked to bark, we couldn't really tell

user41796

@JimmyHoffa I think you have to move to a secondary test then - does it pretend to like you or not. If it appears to despise you, then it's a cat.

Jimmy Hoffa

3:35 PM

@GlenH7 it despised me but would steal food off the table (off the counter, out of the cabinet, fridge, my plate, really anywhere), and begged whenever I had food.

user41796

I'm going with cat on that one.

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 it played fetch, and barked at the door whenever someone came around.

user41796

By their own rules, cats aren't allowed to play fetch. So there goes that theory.

Jimmy Hoffa

How on earth can anybody have as much money and as many personal assistants as Donald Trump - and still have hair like that? Why the hell doesn't he pay to get something that doesn't look completely ridiculous done with it?

Thomas Owens

It's his trademark or something now.

Jimmy Hoffa

3:40 PM

@ThomasOwens why would someone choose I-look-like-an-idiot-hair as their trademark? Why would they keep that trademark?

user114359

@JimmyHoffa the same reason Dennis Rodman looks as ridiculous as he does. When you are that rich and famous, you can get away with crimes of fashion.

Telastyn

yeah, there are plenty of other less famously coiffed rich blowhards in the world.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Telastyn I just don't understand... he thinks so much of himself, yet wants to look stupid when he's trying to sound tough and important?

Telastyn

it's a differentiator.

people remember him because of it, not anything else he's done

Jimmy Hoffa

He could just wear a jockstrap on his head if he wanted to differentiate himself by looking like a dumbass above the forehead.

the sad part is I'm sure you're all right, I didn't really think of it that way, and that just makes the whole thing worse realizing the stupidity we have people committing to just to get attention and it works on a national scale.

user114359

3:47 PM

@JimmyHoffa Agent K said it best in MIB. "A person is smart, but people are dumb." Some people have figured out how to get national attention by exploiting the fact that groups of people are stupid and behave irrationally.

Telastyn

people have done worse things for fame.

Jimmy Hoffa

True. He named one of his kids Barron. Apparently whether or not he can be president, he'll at least be the father of a 16th century feudal landowner..

Telastyn

SCIENCE REMINDER: A blizzard doesn't disprove climate change anymore than you being an idiot disproves evolution.

Tweeted by SarcasticRover on January 26, 2015 at 7:24 PM

Jimmy Hoffa

@Telastyn it's pretty clear that evolution made me this way, just like climate change caused that blizzard. The only rational lesson from all of this is that evolution is bringing about another ice age.

Telastyn

I can find no fault in that logic.

Jimmy Hoffa

3:59 PM

Or maybe it's that blizzards made me stupid? I'm not going to get into the details on this, but I'm certain this is all somehow been caused by big government's focus on climate evolution.

Robert Harvey

So much hot air.

Jimmy Hoffa

So in conclusion, common core math's removal of the bucket and carry technique has caused me to evolve into a blizzard.

Wow, give that guy a medal for confusing the meaning of the technical term "native" in one of the most creative ways I've seen

Robert Harvey

Cue rimshot monkey.

Jimmy Hoffa

@RobertHarvey really, the possibilities are endless here. Idiots are causing climate change? If we would stop evolving, we could stop climate change dead! Clearly climate change is making blizzards dumber.

Robert Harvey

4:15 PM

tuple.Item1, tuple.Item2... Bleaugh.

Jimmy Hoffa

@RobertHarvey yeah... if it's just a local, create an anonymous type with named properties; new { Location = "bla", Color = "ick" };

anonymous types are good for that when dealing with termporary local stuff, but if the value is going to be a parameter into a method or a return value from your method, no can do..

Jimmy Hoffa

4:42 PM

Last night's Netflix session results: The Canal is a well made well put together movie with good tricks and implementation, but an ultimately flawed, boring, and terribly obvious story. It spends the entire movie trying but failing to make you wonder what's real and what's not- as from about 15 minutes in, it's utterly obvious. Everything after those first 15 minutes is just fun imagery with no real punch because it fails to evoke the uncertainty it's entirely geared to do. It ends on an attempt to be visually provocative which succeeds only in being grody.

durron597

@JimmyHoffa tl;dr don't watch the canal

user114359

How would I know when I have written readable and maintainable... design?

user114359

0

Q: How much time should I put into design?

I've spent six full days so far working on a spec for a web-app component. Apart from personally wanting some task that doesn't involve Word, I'm wondering if there is a point at which I know that the spec I'm working on is finished (but isn't a spec a constant work-in-progress?). I feel that the...

specifications

Jimmy Hoffa

@durron597 iduno, reviewers were falling all over themselves for it, and it does a lot of tthings well, there's a certain type of horror movie watcher who will like it, but the vast majority won't. If you still think Nightmare on Elm Street is the height of horror, you'd probably like it; but you also shouldn't be watching any modern horror at all if you still think the classics are relevant.

durron597

I don't really like horror

Jimmy Hoffa

4:46 PM

@Snowman Collaboration! This is why I absolutely hate designing in a vaccuum, if I can't put a design together and then hand it off and have it used by at least one other developer in the following month or two I feel irritated.

It's like sending code to production without any QA. If you get calls because it's broke you know you screwed up, if you don't, you have no idea if you screwed up or not. So it goes with designs that only you ever use.

durron597

WTF is going on movies I've liked: Inception, Memento, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, 12 Monkeys

But I don't like "wtf is going on because something lurking around the next corner is going to bite my head off"

Thomas Owens

@Snowman Code is design.

user114359

@ThomasOwens without spending the time right now to read those essays, I will say I have heard arguments both ways and it is more nuanced than that. Sometimes, code can be design. But not always. Even if it is, my statement that the metrics are different still applies. Whether you document the design in a Word document or the code itself is irrelevant, they are separate activities with different success criteria.

Duga

5:36 PM

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because this probably belongs on programmers.stackexchange.com (see programmers.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic) — Andy Brown just now

ratchet freak

anyone else having trouble with youtube?

Jimmy Hoffa

@Snowman usage-by-developers is the only way I've ever been able to determine success criteria. Designs I've worked out and then used as a basis of something someone else was doing or I was doing with someone else were the only ones where I felt I knew conclusively they were capable of living through maintenance and extension by others over time, of being usable/useful/helpful to others

Telastyn

yeah, I understand the motivation for objective measurement, but people spent a lot of time fucking about with that to produce dubious results.

Jimmy Hoffa

I'm not your pal, buddy!

Robert Harvey

6:11 PM

You read that whole thing in 3 minutes? — Robert Harvey ♦ 56 secs ago

gnat

@durron597 your wish is my command...

0

A: We should always be able to include explanation with moderator flags, even if they're not a custom situation

Current UX for NAA and VLQ flags is long obsoleted by various changes in flagging process. Suggested feature offers an opportunity to correct this and bring it more in line with ideas laid out in Stack Overflow is not yet a vast wasteland: a history of moderator tooling. To see why it is so, tak...

Thomas Owens

6:28 PM

@Snowman Code is always the final source of design. Any "paper" or models is used to make it easier to understand. You may develop some models first to aid in communication, but the truth is always in the code.

But you should read the papers at some point.

durron597

@gnat great! replied.

user114359

@ThomasOwens That is the point of my answer to that question, the artifacts are all linked. Design documentation is not always needed. Sometimes the code is sufficient. But for larger systems, having just enough (but not too much) documentation can be a huge help. Regardless, the code is what actually runs and makes the system go: not the documentation.

Thomas Owens

@Snowman I haven't yet seen your answer. Let me check it out.

There weren't any answers when I first clicked on the question.

I like it. I do want to write my own answer. I have some time now.

Robert Harvey

6:54 PM

Does this look like a working website to anyone here?

fullstack.com

user15026

@RobertHarvey Nope, I get nothing.

Robert Harvey

Robert,

The site is not parked, you moron.

Go spam yourself with your useless @yahoo.com email.

-Virtual Point

Somebody didn't get their coffee.

Thomas Owens

>

> This Websense category is filtered: Parked Domain. Sites in this category may pose a security threat to network resources or private information, and are blocked by your organization.

user15026

@RobertHarvey Was that their actual response? 0.o

Robert Harvey

It was.

user15026

6:57 PM

Holy crap.

user114359

Some people need to chill out and realize some things are just not worth getting upset about.

Robert Harvey

Um, have you checked your site lately to see if it's still working?  Looks pretty much down to me.
Also, nice bedside manner, dude.

user41796

That's awesome

user41796

I want them to handle all of the customer service calls for my company

user15026

Excellent response.

user114359

7:01 PM

Is there a way for me to view my own posts that I have self-deleted if I do not have a direct link?

user41796

@Snowman try: programmers.stackexchange.com/users/recently-deleted-questions/… and programmers.stackexchange.com/users/recently-deleted-answers/…

user41796

And if those don't work, you'll have to ask a programmers mod to hunt it down for you.

user114359

@GlenH7 That doesn't work on a site where I do not have enough reputation to see deleted posts

user41796

Hmmm, you're always supposed to be able to see your own deleted posts.

user114359

I can't find them is the problem

user114359

7:07 PM

But this is more of a curiosity than anything, no big deal.

user41796

Sorry - I wasn't clear. Regardless of rep, if you have a direct link, you're supposed to be able to always see your own deleted posts. But we aren't given a way to search for our deleted posts, all we can do is rely upon the "recently deleted" tabs that I linked above. Those are supposed to show your recently deleted stuff. But I think they only go back 30 days or something like that. If the posts don't show up there, then you have to ask for a site mod to hunt it down for you.

user114359

@GlenH7 I got a 404 when I copied the URL path to another SE site, just like when trying to view any other page that exists but the user lacks sufficient reputation to view.

user41796

And you updated your userid? userid changes per site.

user41796

I used the links from my version of those tabs and substituted in your user id on progs

user114359

@GlenH7 Herp derp. I is dum.

user41796

7:12 PM

Just different levels of sorcery...

user114359

I blame the lack of caffeine, as usual. No matter how much I ingest, I never have enough.

user41796

Time for the IV drip?

user41796

Well, I'm re-reading it now. — user3530012 1 hour ago

user114359

I was just looking for bulk caffeine powder on Amazon, but it looks like they delisted it. There have been a few cases of teenagers ODing on the stuff in the past year, Amazon probably got scared and pulled the products.

user41796

If you take a few grams all at once, there's a very serious chance of death.

durron597

7:23 PM

@RobertHarvey I see a white screen. Probably because I have adblock up

user114359

@GlenH7 I know, it does not take much to have serious side effects and even death. Most caffeinated beverages have a small enough amount that an adult human would need to guzzle them so fast it is not feasible to have those types of reactions.

user114359

I have heard it is easier to get water intoxication than a real caffeine overdose, at least from drinking caffeinated beverages.

user41796

Yeah, I'd believe / agree with that

user41796

But caffeine in powdered or pill form is generally not a good idea for the average person.

user143252

i have question .... , for string i use str.length(); but for array we use nums.length ... why

durron597

7:36 PM

@user143252 because it's a method in the String class and it's a final field in the array class

21

Q: length and length() in java

Why do we have length of an array as an attribute. array.length and for String we have a method str.length()? Just came in my mind, is there some reason?

java arrays string

user143252

thank you

Robert Harvey

8:20 PM

Well, whadddaya know.

What do you think are the chances of getting an apology from those nimrods?

user41796

@RobertHarvey Smaller than the epsilon factor used with floating point values.

Robert Harvey

[not holding my breath]

user5115790

hello!

Robert Harvey

Uh oh. Everyone hide the cookies.

user41796

@RobertHarvey done

user5115790

8:23 PM

I was doing an algorithm, and need the area of a 3D object in three.js..lo that this would help me on this issue?

0

Q: polygon area get in Three.js?

I'm trying to apply a formula, and a step of this, I need to obtain the area of each of my polygons. I'm new and I have researched Three.js but not how to calculate the area, and in Three.js know if there is an easy method to do so. for example: object[i]// is a mesh (object 3d). line[i]// is...

javascript three.js area

Robert Harvey

@user5115790 23 views on your question already... Good luck.

user5115790

hehehe

thank you..

I'm trying to implement the algorithm in a cartogram Three.js is the hardest thing I've done in my life haha

Robert Harvey

Wait until you get married. three.js will seem like a walk in the park.

user114359

That or having children, they are one of the most complex programs you will ever debug.

Link TheProgrammer

Quick question, there wouldn't happen to be anything special I have to do to setLocation or setSize of a JScrollPane would there?

user41796

8:37 PM

@Snowman stack overflows in those cases tend to be quite messy

user114359

@GlenH7 I have seen a few stack overflow exceptions occur in diapers before, those normally lead to core dumps that you want to leave to the host OS to clean up... until you realize you are the host OS.

user41796

well said....

user55340

Bachelors spawn no sub-processes.

Link TheProgrammer

		frame.setTitle("Friend App");
		frame.setDefaultCloseOperation(JFrame.EXIT_ON_CLOSE);
		frame.setSize(800, 600);
		JTextArea textArea = new JTextArea();
		JScrollPane scrollPane = new JScrollPane(textArea);
		scrollPane.setLocation(30, 30);
		scrollPane.setSize(new Dimension(100, 100));
		frame.setContentPane(scrollPane);
		textArea.append("test");
		frame.setVisible(true);

what did I do wrong

user41796

@MichaelT Or at least they attempt to avoid that.... spawn can be a very expensive system call over the life of the sub-process.

Robert Harvey

8:41 PM

@LinkTheProgrammer You forgot to tell us the problem you're having. Also, we don't do much code troubleshooting here; that's SO's bailiwick.

Link TheProgrammer

the problem is that I can't set the size or location of the scroll pane

I tried frame.add(scrollPane) as well and I still get no where

I feel like is the most simple mistake

user55340

You've got one Java coder in this room currently who is looking at this on a phone.

user55340

... Who would really like some cold cider.

Robert Harvey

I'm a C# cider myself.

Link TheProgrammer

Java cider actually sounds like a good idea...

user114359

8:44 PM

@MichaelT TWO Java guys... although I am working on other stuff too.

user5115790

I feel that if I work the algorithm of cartogram in Three.js, I'll stay working at my current company :). I'm working hard

Link TheProgrammer

Three.js* coffee lovers

user55340

Four golden token rings...

Link TheProgrammer

seriously though, is there something wrong with my code? the JScrollPane fills the entire JFrame as if I didn't set the size or location at all!

user41796

I prefer apple cider, but note the capitalization on that.

Link TheProgrammer

8:46 PM

do I have to set the size and location of the textarea too?

user55340

I can't tell with the lack of context and screen space. Try asking in stack overflow.

Link TheProgrammer

:(

Right, I'm going to drown myself in java cide

ttyl

user114359

@LinkTheProgrammer I recommend searching SO first. I know there is some caveat about JScrollPane that I don't remember, but I am pretty sure SO has a Q&A that covers it because I am pretty sure I have searched there before and found it.

Jimmy Hoffa

@RobertHarvey Csharpicide: The act of killing robots run by netduino microcontrollers.

Robert Harvey

Is the netduino any good? Or are you better off getting something like a BeagleBone Black board?

I bought my wife this computer about a month ago:

newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883103930

Except that, when I ordered it, it was $300, not $500, and it came with an extra 4GB of memory.

Great little computer. Too bad it's too expensive now for me to get one.

Jimmy Hoffa

8:56 PM

I've had a number of acer products with nothing but good results. Asus on the other hand has given me no end of fits...

user114359

Seems like a good, basic desktop computer. It wouldn't handle the load I throw at my computers (compiling, video editing, gaming, etc) but great for 90% of people.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Snowman for $300 it's a hell of a platform if it has a PCI-E x16 slot available; stick it in a new case, new PSU, and an aftermarket GPU and you'd be golden.. you could easily get all of the above for $200

I game with no trouble on a lower end Haswell chip then that at home

user114359

@JimmyHoffa the problem is the i3. It is great for desktop use, but there is no way it would stand up to the load a serious desktop user would throw at it.

Robert Harvey

Alas, I don't think you can get it for $300 anymore. The lowest price I can find is $400 on Amazon. We must have gotten a hell of a deal on it.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Snowman nah; games don't do dick on CPU. I've been gaming for like 2 years now on a $60 pentium G3220 because the Haswell and newer chips are so great

Robert Harvey

9:00 PM

Angry Birds and Candy Crush?

Jimmy Hoffa

I have I think a GTX 570 or something, I don't remember.. runs pretty much everything at max settings...

user114359

I have a Core i7 Ivy Bridge and newer games definitely use the CPU. While the GPU is more important, you still need more than an i3 for serious gaming. And Handbrake and other graphics apps would make that CPU cry.

user114359

Not to mention Visual Studio. Compiling a non-trivial app maxes all 8 virtual cores

user114359

But again, great for most people. I would buy one for my wife.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Snowman handbrake uses CPU, but you can use the word "need", I get over 60fps out of my $60 Haswell CPU on everything so I can't be given to caring what people are always saying is "necessary"...

user114359

9:05 PM

@JimmyHoffa Great, but I am comparing a dual core i3 with a hyperthreaded quad core i7 for a task that is highly concurrent. Your Haswell is actually one generation newer than my Ivy Bridge. What model is it?

Robert Harvey

I splurged for a 4790K in my latest build, but use the onboard video.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Snowman Pentium. Cheaper than the i3 Haswell @RobertHarvey is referring to

newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116950

That's funny, they're so desirable for their cheapness they're actually gone up $10 from when I bought mine like two years ago

user114359

I just grabbed a GeForce GTX 960. One of the newer budget cards that is as good as last generation's high-end.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Snowman Yeah, that's my point: Haswell and later is amazing. You don't even need high end CPUs anymore with what the low-end ones are doing; even for gaming.

If you play video games while running handbrake and compiling enterprise software all at the same time then you'll chug. But I really have no problems running max settings on all my games and getting solid 60+ frames; then again perhaps the modern high end chips and such become necessary if you're doing 4k, but I don't see myself spending the money for one of those displays for a long time..

Link TheProgrammer

@Snowman I'm having trouble finding the exact answer to my JScrollPane problem. From what I've seen so far, it seems like it acts the same way as a JButton in the sense that it needs a Layout.

user114359

9:24 PM

If you do ask, post a link here and I will check it out when I have time.

user114359

But it sounds like you are searching, so that is good. Given that I know similar questions have already been asked, it might help to post links to similar questions and explain why your question is different.

user114359

Sometimes that acts as a type of Duck Debugging, and the answer will come to you.

Duga

This question would be more appropriate on Programmers (but make sure to check if it wouldn't be a duplicate and checking that it conforms to the rules specified in their help center first). — Dukeling 39 secs ago

durron597

@LinkTheProgrammer I went to all that trouble to get you un-qbanned and you still haven't asked your questions on main?

user114359

@RobertHarvey this question that Duga just linked actually looks like it should be migrated to Programmers.

user114359

9:33 PM

I searched and couldn't find a dupe here, either.

durron597

10:14 PM

@Snowman Guy still hasn't made a progs account. I hope he does eventually.

user114359

10:32 PM

@durron597 yeah, would be nice to have more quality contributors here.

user55340

11:23 PM

@Ampt I need your professional and expert advice on something. I've got half an idea for a personal bug tracker application. The acronym for this would be "PBT". However, it would be much more fun for this to be "PBR". What word change do I need to make to make this application a "PBR"? (since you know all about PBR... right?)

user114359

@MichaelT Keep it classy!

user55340

@Snowman KIC does not work as an acceptable abbreviation.

psr

personal bug racker. Duh.

user55340

Dec 19 '13 at 16:31, by Ampt

which reminds me, I need to fax my PBR reminder to myself

psr

How about it's PBR because it's the "No Trouble Personal Bug Tracker"?

user55340

11:33 PM

Sep 24 '13 at 20:05, by Ampt

psh, san francisco? that's so mainstream. I live in the old PBR factory. Way more street cred.

user114359

Personal Bug Recorder?

user55340

Aug 19 '13 at 19:17, by Ampt

I'll probably end up drinking PBR and listening to music by bands you've probably never heard of

psr

Pretty Buggy Repo?

user55340

I tell you, @Ampt is the expert on the subject.

psr

I feel I'm helping prove @Ampt 's expertise.

user55340

11:38 PM

Dec 6 '13 at 17:07, by MichaelT

A Kentuckian, Californian, and Washingtonian go camping. At the campfire, the Kentuckian pulls out some top shelf whiskey, drinks a swing, caps it, tosses the bottle in the air and shoots it. He says "Don't worry, we have plenty of good whiskey where I'm from."

The Californian pulls out a bottle of premium wine, drinks a bit, corks it, tosses it in the air, shoots it. He says "Don't worry, where I come from there's plenty of good wine."

The Washingtonian gets out a can of PBR and carefully drinks it and sets it down and then shoots the Californian. The Kentuckian looks in surprise and…

user55340

(you got to click the link to get the punchline)

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