The Periodic Table

PH13

05:19

@Martin-マーチン Good afternoon Japan

Martin - マーチン

@PH13 Good Morning Germany!

PH13

and our 10 points goezzz toooooo

Martin - マーチン

05:34

Sooo what's up?

PH13

not much, have to finish with my protocol correction

Martin - マーチン

b00ring....

PH13

but my nmr calculation resp. the optimization for it takes much time

Martin - マーチン

arghh...

what kind of molecule do you work on?

PH13

boronic acids

I synthesized a structure that I hoped to know but I didn't. and as I did not made a MS experiment I try to make some "educated" guesses ^^

Martin - マーチン

05:49

haha... the good old educated guess :D

so you have an nmr for your compound and now you're trying to calculate it to match it?

PH13

I have a 1H nmr and I have a "theme" but none of my previous ideas worked

I did a feew calculations and they matched other measured possibilities quite perfect which told me that I have something different

so my last guess was declined

Martin - マーチン

06:02

hmmm okay....

can't you do like 2D nmr to get a more complete picture of the compound?

PH13

I don't want to go back to lab for this ... they can do what they need themselves ;)

thursday will be my presentation and I will tell them what could be done resp. what should have been done xD

and 2D is not helping ... the best would be a MS

Martin - マーチン

welll... case closed ;)

PH13

but boronic acids are anything else than easy to handle ... they do many nasty things

no good cleaning after synthesis, they form dimers, trimers ... whatever-mers

Martin - マーチン

uhhh i like the term whatever-mers

PH13

then there are pH dependend possibilities ... and and and

that makes me think of south korea ... xD

Martin - マーチン

06:08

$\ce{[BH3]_{whatever}}$

why south korea?

PH13

@Martin-マーチン tagesschau.de/ausland/mers-143.html

@Martin-マーチン more like $(\ce{R{-}B(OH)_2})_{n}^{m-}$

anhydrides are also possible

many many options ... for some of them the 1H shows signals but the 13C not ... strange

Martin - マーチン

where $n,m\in\mathrm{whatever}\leq\infty$

PH13

exactly

Martin - マーチン

it is not displaying the infinity sign...

PH13

infty

Martin - マーチン

06:15

$\infty$

PH13

o.o

Martin - マーチン

do you see it?

PH13

nope

$\infty$

Martin - マーチン

haha...

$$\infty$$

not in display mode...

$\huge\infty$

nope....

still nothing

strange

PH13

to catch up the theme of the last 30 mins: whatever

xD

Martin - マーチン

06:17

yeah... whatever

PH13

and what are you doing?

Martin - マーチン

trying to get my scf to converge...

therfore reading gamess stuff on the internets

PH13

btw ... isn't it nice from us to talk here in english despite no one else around like @inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

is always about convergence xD

Martin - マーチン

yeah... convergence....

need to find a way to read in the results of my previous converged rohf to make a guess for my uhf wf

and i have no clue as to how O.o

and since googeling anything that involves the term gamess is so much fun....

... i am basically back reading the manual line for line

and it is kind of the worst [censored] manual that ever had the displeasure to work with

no manual would be a better manual ಠ_ಠ

PH13

xD

Martin - マーチン

06:31

well, well, well.... i could imagine doing something more fun...

PH13

as guessing semi-unknown structures?

Martin - マーチン

drinking beer and watching the telly ;)

PH13

I somehow need to find a method for geometry guesses that are made as fast as pm6 but way better

Martin - マーチン

but i would prefer the stuff you do right now i guess

what's the problem with pm6

PH13

there is too much to do afterwards

Martin - マーチン

06:37

like what?

PH13

like ... eeeh

Martin - マーチン

you mean like more optimisation?

PH13

yes

structures are most time more or less far away from being the optimum

Martin - マーチン

what you use for after-opt?

PH13

right now b3lyp/6-31+g**

that's my nmr opt

Martin - マーチン

06:50

try opting with a pure functional first

like bp86 or M06L

PH13

yeah, i thought about your bp86 hint from last time

Martin - マーチン

they don't need to calculate hf exchange and are way faster

the geom should be reasonably close to b3lyp then

Martin - マーチン

07:19

@PH13 just saw your comment ;) Nice

PH13

~~~

Martin - マーチン

wavy.... yay!

PH13

that "first" picture was actually the third and I was not in the mood to redraw it again xD

Martin - マーチン

which first picture?

PH13

the big one on which you commented

that I forgot CH3

Martin - マーチン

07:25

well that comment was just a joke...

lol

PH13

but it wasn't wrong

in plain deutsch: wenn schon, denn schon

Martin - マーチン

well, yeah but you made a point... I appreciated that ;)

loooool

PH13

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Q: What are metallosis hip replacement complications?

What are metal on metal hip replacement physiological effects metallosis cobalt chromium?

Martin - マーチン

holy...

what to do?

don't even know what to comment on that one

PH13

everything to do

yes xD

Martin - マーチン

07:35

i like the tags though

has nothing to do with the question

PH13

they give some hints on what the question should have been

Martin - マーチン

well... don't migrate crap though ;)

PH13

O:-)

PH13

08:05

@Martin-マーチン did you work with molcas?

Martin - マーチン

i tried....

... and failed

PH13

ok ^^

Martin - マーチン

what d'ya wanna kno

PH13

you about what program you would use to analyse standard output

because there is a nice tool given from the developers, gv, and an adaption of it, luscus, but at least the last doesn't work here and I am to stupid to get it working

brb

Martin - マーチン

i never got to the stage of analysing the output

gv was installed on the cluster where i used it

so ... basically that one

but isn't chemcraft capable treating these files?

PH13

08:28

I haven't tried so far

santiago

hi

PH13

hi

Martin - マーチン

greetings...

santiago

salutations

how are you all?

PH13

good, you?

santiago

08:34

not too bad

Martin - マーチン

nice...

PH13

not too bad sounds promising

santiago

indeed...

anything exciting?

Martin - マーチン

not really...

PH13

not to my knowledge

Martin - マーチン

08:39

what about it in down under?

santiago

nothing really... got a job interview later in the week

Martin - マーチン

kewl... good luck!

santiago

tank you!

Martin - マーチン

what job you'd applied for?

santiago

part time teacher - just for the time being

Martin - マーチン

08:42

sounds good :D

santiago

we'll see what happens

Martin - マーチン

well, good luck! Have fun ;)

santiago

will indeed!

how is your research going?

PH13

he's going to transform into a ebookworm

Martin - マーチン

harr harr

research is slow.... see above in the transcript :0

santiago

08:50

get into instrumentation

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

15:25

Again . . . Noone's here when I am. :(

PH13

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M sure? ಠ_ಠ

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

You don't count. ಠ_ಠ

PH13

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M ok, then you are right

Again.$~~~~~~~~~~$.$~~~~~~~~~~$.Noone's here when he is. :(

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)

Ellipsis needs space!  . . . Like that, not ... ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)

Todd Minehardt

i don't have kids, but i imagine if i did, they wouldn't be eating batteries :)

PH13

15:33

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M look ... @ToddMinehardt listened to your whining and joins the room

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

\o[@Todd]{Mine-something}

Todd Minehardt

haha - radar

PH13

@ToddMinehardt I licked them to see if they are dead or not ... but "chewing"?

Todd Minehardt

i wonder if that guy has a lithium mustache

yeah, chewing

weird

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Maybe their grandfather was the last antecedent of shark-humans.

Todd Minehardt

15:35

and the evolution stopped there, too

PH13

the update is funny ...

hammering it

press the battery harder

like lemons ... that get all energy out there

Todd Minehardt

yeah, i can see this guy beating the hell out of it, then chewing it...and then putting back into the remote control: ah, that's better!

PH13

we should ask him to record it and put in on youtube

Todd Minehardt

new method for recharging batteries. they'll have to add a new law of thermodynamics

@PH13 that's an awesome idea

PH13

I want to watch him pressing all electrons out of the battery.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

15:37

Wouldn't that initially look like poop, considering that battery has some kinda special coal thingy?

Todd Minehardt

i want him to eat the battery when all the electricity is gone

you guys ever watch Kreosan on YouTube? the Ukranian guys with the microwave?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Who's that?

Todd Minehardt

На что способна микроволновка! Высоковольтная дуга

►

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Petrol side-product?

PH13

lol

Todd Minehardt

15:40

couple of guys who home-rigged a microwave oven magnetron and they blow stuff up with it

PH13

only in russia xD

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

OMG it's Russian everywhere! My eyes!

Todd Minehardt

i read about them in the New York Times - they're getting serious traffic

:)

oh, they're great - you gotta watch one or two

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Of all of the YouTube videos, I only kinda liked Vsauce's movies.

Or rather, clips.

Todd Minehardt

checking those out now...

PH13

15:41

@ToddMinehardt maybe it's @Wildcat ಠ_ಠ

Todd Minehardt

hah - good one :)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

He's directing it. You can't see directors there.

Todd Minehardt

it's amazing they're still alive

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

That's Russia baby.

PH13

I always have to think of this image when talking about Russia

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

15:43

Yeah, been there, seen that.

Todd Minehardt

looks accurate to me

this battery thing will get like 10k views, i predict

PH13

sure

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Worth reposting.

Nicolau Saker Neto

Russians sure get up to crazy things

Todd Minehardt

certainly accurate for america

PH13

15:45

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I like Canada

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@ToddMinehardt And Germany.

PH13

Hi @NicolauSakerNeto

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Hey @Martin that's a gift for you up there.

Nicolau Saker Neto

Hello

Todd Minehardt

hi @NicolauSakerNeto - japan is good, too

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

15:46

\o[@Nicolau]{SakerNeto}

Nicolau Saker Neto

Hey hey

Todd Minehardt

ever eat a battery, @NicolauSakerNeto?

Nicolau Saker Neto

Nope, and not looking forward to

Not entirely sure what that poster meant

Todd Minehardt

i hear chewing on them is ok....

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

That is a gum for the OP.

Todd Minehardt

15:47

true - we shouldn't judge.

Nicolau Saker Neto

I think I'll pass on that opportunity

PH13

16:08

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M now there are peoples around and you are quite ಠ_ಠ

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I'm waiting for a conversation.

A fight could do too.

PH13

start a theme

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

̿ ̿'̿'\̵͇̿̿\з=(•_•)=ε/̵͇̿̿/'̿'̿ ̿

How about that for a theme?

PH13

so you like to talk about guns

or black disk eyes?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I wanna talk about spooky fingers.

PH13

16:11

what about them?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I just said I wanna, didn't say I will.

PH13

16:33

who of you all has a further knowledge with/understanding of nmr shifts?

$diffracteD$

diffracteD

helowz...

PH13

hiho

$diffracteD$

diffracteD

so talking about chemical shifts !??!!?

PH13

seems as no one wants to

$diffracteD$

diffracteD

well i have studied it few years back...

PH13

16:51

what needs to be done to get a high shift ... less electrons around the nucleus?

$diffracteD$

diffracteD

i think that also depends on the neighboring nucleus too...

PH13

sure, that would be the electron withdrawing group

Stack Exchange

20:06

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Q: Improper question titles/questions

It might be nitpicking but there are question titles that are imo wrongly asked. The question itself might be better, but those titles are simply wrong. Here are some examples ... "Theoretically"-questions: Theoretically, could we spend trillions and remove significant CO2 from atmosphere? T...

discussion question-titles

PH13

are meta questions automagically posted in chat?

PH13

20:21

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M hmmm ... search engine ...

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@PH13 Yes.

PH13

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M cool

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I know. It's my room. That's why it's cool.

PH13

i see

PH13

20:50

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M and now, as I am to lazy to search, you have to tell me how to write small text

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Or use LaTeX and {\tiny{}}

PH13

ok ... some kind of workaround

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I must remember ಠ_ಠ

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

That too.

But I worried that some n00b'll come and say: what the heck is ಠ_ಠ?

And I have to go explaining to them.

PH13

I bet you wait for this moment to post sth like "rly? ಠ_ಠ"

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Meh.

Laziness is a bliss.

PH13

20:54

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M ( ⚆ _ ⚆ )

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ

PH13

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M ヽ(ﾟДﾟ)ﾉ

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@santiago what was your hidden community? ಠ_ಠ

santiago

21:12

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M law - should be renamed American_Law.SE to reflect the reality there

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Huh.

Well, just to be clear, I didn't mean you must disclose it.

santiago

meh, am not worried

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Hey BTW, dunno if you've checked, there were some new meta Qs.

santiago

oh?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Oh.

santiago

21:19

am i in trouble?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Yes.

santiago

gawd, am I going to get my butt kicked about editing again??

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Just check them already, dammit!

santiago

I must be a rebel without an editing-clue

have to check it later

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

BTW, if someone's to get kicked in the A for some things they do on the main site, it's me.

santiago

21:22

got to get ready for my day

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M no way!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

But since @Martin's legs aren't that strong, I'm usually don't end up getting kicked.

PH13

@santiago how late is it? 6-8?

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M at least not that long

santiago

@PH13 it is 7:25am

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Sorry, but those "no action needed" post reviews, though done with my laptop, weren't mine! Long story it is [:-)] . I then, was begrudgingly flagging them as inappropriate! — inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Dec 22 '14 at 13:51

PH13

china+2 ... I have to remember

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

21:24

Bah, why not Iran + 6:31? ಠ_ಠ

PH13

because I added the clock for iran as we met and I have another china clock

china is easier

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Bah, you PhD guys.

PH13

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@PH13 <3

PH13

♥

ಠ_ಠ

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

21:28

$\heartsuit$ ಠ_ಠ

$${\Huge{\color{red}\heartsuit}}$$

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PH13

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M you are welcome

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

No.

I'm MA.

santiago

anyways, gotta go

PH13

have a nice day

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@santiago Fly!

Soar!

santiago

21:31

toodles

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

When you reached the sky, don't forget to say hello.

To me.

PH13

21:52

there should be another flag-option ... "let me google that for you"

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

It does exist.

PH13

let me google that

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Don't Google it. I'll show it to you.

PH13

be my shower

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

It looks like a down arrow, pointing towards the earth's crust.

PH13

21:55

that V-thingie?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

When you push the button, an orange circle appears around it.

@PH13 Yeah, and it does mean victory.

Also, some meta gurus call it downvote. Shiny, isn't it?

PH13

aaaaaah, now that gets clear .$~~~~~~~~~~$.$~~~~~~~~~~$. like some fog unveils

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Seriously though, I hardly remember downvoting without a comment, unless it's HW.

I think you should comment too. Sometimes people take -1's seriously.

PH13

I don't comment all my downvotes, but there are quite some

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inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

For example, take a look at this: meta.stackexchange.com/search?q=downvote+require+comment

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