ELL's Cabin

Damkerng T.

00:01

Gotta take a break. It's nice to chat with you again. Hope to see you more 'round here. :-)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Me goez to sleep. 4:30 a.m. here. Cya @Jimsug! Loved chatting with ya!

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M @jimsug See you!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Cya @Dam.

jimsug

Cya

Anonymous

01:47

@DamkerngT. That's true of every SE site.

Anonymous

In private beta, and even early in public beta, people all vote like crazy.

Anonymous

So a number of early, low quality posts have higher scores than you'd expect.

Anonymous

But we get the same result now with Hot Network Questions.

Freddy

10:02

hola

@in nice way to write name(not at all nice way if someone want to read).

Damkerng T.

12:04

Hi @user62015!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

12:32

o/ @Dam!

Damkerng T.

o/

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

\o/

/o/

Damkerng T.

\o\

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

\o\

/o\

Damkerng T.

/o\

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

12:32

My hands hurt now.

Damkerng T.

My brain hurts a bit.

Jim Reynolds

13:13

Hello ladies, gentlemen, and other.

Damkerng T.

On behalf of all the robots in this corner of the galaxy, hello!

Not sure if Jim saw the message... Going back to reading stuff on his iPad... If you want me, ping me!

Jim Reynolds

I saw, but have I seen? If I travelled back into time, is it that I will have sawn?

Damkerng T.

Recent past should be okay, I think. :-)

To use either, I mean.

How are you going? :P

Jim Reynolds

Good thanks. I've been creeping in and answering a qurstion here and there recently. It's nice.

Damkerng T.

I saw that. I'm glad that you still drop by sometimes. :-)

Jim Reynolds

13:28

I feel I have an obligation to help the less knowledgeable.

O.O

Damkerng T.

On behalf of the ELLers, I thank you. :D

I made another gallery chat room. I don't know if you've noticed that. I was thinking about inviting you to join, but it looked like you were still busy at work.

CopperKettle

Good afternoon!

Damkerng T.

Good evening!

CopperKettle

"I am gradually moving away from design and now spend more time on photography." - I wonder if this combination is okay: progressive + simple

Damkerng T.

Jim would know better, but it's fine for me.

CopperKettle

13:32

The original sentence was "I gradually move away" - it seemed strange to me.

Because move is a "momentous" verb, or whatever they call it

Damkerng T.

Hmm... I think I'm okay with that too, but I like your edit better.

Jim Reynolds

I agree with the robot.

CopperKettle

@JimReynolds Thank you!

"I move away" seemed like a commentary uttered on a current short-term action, as in "now I move my hand up"

Damkerng T.

Maybe it's my first language (sometimes I'm not sure which language influences my thoughts when I think in English), but I can imagine move (or a movement) either fast and slow.

CopperKettle

@DamkerngT. Same here.

"Наше предприятие идет в ногу со временем" - our company moves/is moving in lockstep with the progress. (the reader has to guess from the context)

Damkerng T.

13:36

For example, in English, there is something like at full throttle, and there also is something like at a glacial pace.

Jim Reynolds

Our company moves is used to indicate a general truth.

CopperKettle

@JimReynolds But what if our company only started following the general progress in the field 3 years ago?

Jim Reynolds

Like water freezes at 0C.

CopperKettle

@JimReynolds But clearly "I gradually drift away from programming" would not be a general truth.. (0:

Jim Reynolds

It can still mean "always", "usually", "generally", regardless of how long it's been true.

Right.

Damkerng T.

13:40

@JimReynolds Perhaps move is fine in a mission statement. (It makes me think of something like that.) Like, It is our mission to move in lockstep with the progress of social network technologies.

It's our mission to move. We move. Our company moves. In that direction.

Jim Reynolds

It's possible to say that, but we use it for a certain effect.

Damkerng T.

nods

Jim Reynolds

It can give a sense of particular "realness" or intensity.

I don't know how to describe this well. It can give an immediacy.

It's a rather artful or poetic use.

CopperKettle

@JimReynolds Yes, that's what I thought. Immediacy. "I gradually move towards the table, look at me, the audience!"

Jim Reynolds

Exactly.

A sense of drama.

CopperKettle

13:45

My past forays into StackExchange (have?) bore some fruit. I remembered this from some post.

Jim Reynolds

You would not use any article before audience there.

In caae you're interested!

CopperKettle

@JimReynolds why? In my understanding, the audience is a group of people who have gathered in a theater or stadium. Or is it "the public"?

Damkerng T.

I think it's because tenses and aspects of English are dichotomous (like present vs. past, simple vs. progressive, simple vs. prefect) that we have one form for normal expressions and another for a special effect.

Jim Reynolds

Bore is ok. Ww would more likely use has borne fruit.

CopperKettle

@JimReynolds Thank you!

Damkerng T.

13:48

(I was thinking of marked vs. unmarked, but I wasn't very sure if it was about marked vs. unmarked.)

Jim Reynolds

If you are addressing the audience, you would say, "Hello, audience." No the.

CopperKettle

@JimReynolds Thank you! I need to refresh my article usage knowledge..

Jim Reynolds

Well, I usually don't correct such errors as a teacher, unless a learner is particularly interested in grammar.

We learn and remember more (generally) if we just relax and enjoy reading more.

CopperKettle

@JimReynolds I agree.

Jim Reynolds

O.O

That should be, "I a agree."

CopperKettle

13:54

My friend who has been a teacher in NY for 10 years still posts messages like "I watched the movie [movie title] today. And it was actually second time I watched it. First time was in July 2001."

fahdijbeli

hello

all

CopperKettle

Articles are very hard to learn..

Damkerng T.

Methinks: I gradually move away from design. (Please sympathize with me, my dear reader.)

CopperKettle

@fahdijbeli - hello!

fahdijbeli

, deploying applications in the Cloud is not a trivial task and doing so is time consuming and error prone

CopperKettle

13:55

@DamkerngT. Thanks!

fahdijbeli

in that sentence I doubte I have a bad bind

a trivial task and doing so is time c

Damkerng T.

@CopperKettle Maybe I read too much into Fifty Shades of You Know What. :-)

fahdijbeli

I think and doing so is ... is not appropriate

CopperKettle

@DamkerngT. (0:

Jim Reynolds

Hmm... Interesting response Dam.

I can't think of a situation in which I'd use "I gradually move away from design . . ."

Damkerng T.

13:58

@fahdijbeli My quick fix would be something like and such a task.

Jim Reynolds

Well, in narrative.

Sometimes to move a story forward.

fahdijbeli

@DamkerngT. sorry i dont understand

HarryCBurn

Hullo!

fahdijbeli

hello

CopperKettle

Hallo!

Damkerng T.

14:00

@fahdijbeli I mean, I would replace and doing so with and such a task.

@HarryCBurn Hullo!

HarryCBurn

@DamkerngT. Good to see you again!

Damkerng T.

@HarryCBurn Heh! It was just yesterday, I think! The last we met. :-)

But it's true that it's good for me to see you again, too!

Jim Reynolds

In 1957, Henry Ford moves gradually away from the daily management of his company and picks up a new hobby . . . one that would change thw very fabric of society.

Damkerng T.

@JimReynolds The division of labor!

fahdijbeli

before the and is a trivial task and after the and is task and costs times @DamkerngT.

Damkerng T.

14:03

I'm confused! :P

> BEFORE: deploying applications in the Cloud is not a trivial task and doing so is time consuming and error prone

> AFTER: deploying applications in the Cloud is not a trivial task and such a task is time consuming and error prone

CopperKettle

@JimReynolds Nice example, thank you!

Jim Reynolds

I can see or hear how it might be used that way, but I think I've never read a grammatical explanation of such a use of the present simple.

Damkerng T.

I wonder if Cloud needs to be capitalized, but I think it's okay either way.

Jim Reynolds

A man walks into a bar and says . . . .

Damkerng T.

@JimReynolds I think it falls into the same category as hot news.

CopperKettle

14:05

@JimReynolds "reporting style", I remember reading something about this

Damkerng T.

(I'm sure there must be a better term for that!)

fahdijbeli

@DamkerngT. ah yes yes you are right thanks :)

Damkerng T.

No problem. :D

HarryCBurn

@DamkerngT. :)

fahdijbeli

@DamkerngT. :*

HarryCBurn

14:07

@DamkerngT. As in I saved my data in the cloud?

Damkerng T.

Yes. I'm not familiar with the Cloud being capitalized, but then again, I usually write the Internet. -- Weird me!

CopperKettle

Deploying applications in the Cloud
Is hardy work for mentally endowed

(off to make some tea)

HarryCBurn

@DamkerngT. I don't think it is.

You wouldn't capitalize router, would you? c:

Damkerng T.

I wouldn't!

HarryCBurn

Then the cloud shall remain a normal noun ;p

Damkerng T.

14:13

But the Internet used to be capitalized before, and I got stuck with writing it that way.

nods -- My guts say it should be the cloud, but maybe the Cloud is okay, too.

HarryCBurn

^

:)

Freddy

hola

CopperKettle

Deploying applications in the cloud
Is hardy task for mentally endowed,
Non-trival, with outcomes unknown,
It's time consuming, and is error prone

@Freddy Hi!

Damkerng T.

Hallo! @Freddy!

Freddy

@dam How is your weekend going?

Damkerng T.

14:24

@snailboat I think it may be a good idea to add a link to this room to the frozen room, in case our old visitors bookmarked the old room.

@Freddy A bit bumpy, but mostly okay. Thanks for asking! How's yours?

Freddy

Till now good. Nothing unexpected

Damkerng T.

Expect the unexpected, or so they say. :P

Freddy

I am expecting something very unexpected from long time.

HarryCBurn

14:54

@Freddy Hi!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

15:43

\o/ Guys!

HarryCBurn

Your name!

It's backwards!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Yep.

Sometimes change doesn't hurt.

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M This one does. :D

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I. Am. Happy.

Damkerng T.

Where are my paracetamols?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

15:49

I saw them running on the street the other day.

Damkerng T.

Argh! My paracetamols!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Naughty pills!

@Harry you might be interested:

1

Q: What is the typical percentage of butane deodorant?

I have been using deodorant to propel potatoes (potato gun :D), but I want to switch over to pure butane. However, in order to do this safely I have to know how much butane is typically in deodorant (percentage). If you do know, please also include a source. Secondly, for a potato gun, is it wis...

HarryCBurn

Might I?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Might you?

HarryCBurn

I might not.

;p

Good Q though.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

16:00

Hmm I just thought potato guns are popular in the UK.

HarryCBurn

Nope ;p

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

17:30

Hullo @cat from Terrific Xylophone!

Anonymous

18:04

@DamkerngT. Okay, I left a message:

Anonymous

in English Language Learners, 48 secs ago, by snailboat

→ Please visit ELL's Cabin. That's the new general-purpose chat room for English Language Learners. ←

Damkerng T.

@snailboat Yay! Thanks!

Anonymous

Can you star it?

Anonymous

I mean in the other room.

Anonymous

If we can get a few stars on it, it'll stay at the top of the star list and be easier to spot :-)

Anonymous

18:05

I pinned it, but pins expire after 14 days.

Anonymous

Well, it should be easy enough to find anyway, since no one can reply to it.

Damkerng T.

I see. @inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M, @HarryCBurn, @fahdijbeli Let's star this message: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/22724305#22724305

HarryCBurn

I'm not an RO there :)

Anonymous

Star, not pin

Anonymous

S'already pinned :-)

HarryCBurn

18:07

Ah.

Damkerng T.

Hehe!

HarryCBurn

I did star it ;p

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I starz it.

Damkerng T.

Yay!

HarryCBurn

Aw, my profile picture didn't change yet :(

Anonymous

18:18

@HarryCBurn Thank you!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@HarryCBurn It hasn't changed on ELL or SO. Have you really changed it?

HarryCBurn

Yeah :c

Or not.

Maybe I forgot to save changes.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I rather it be something exotic.

HarryCBurn

Changed it!

Exotic?

Anonymous

@HarryCBurn You can see the update on the profile page where you changed it immediately, if you did it successfully. That said, it takes some time for it to update in chat, and different people will see the updates at different times.

HarryCBurn

18:21

@snailboat Yeah, I forgot to save changes c:

Anonymous

HarryCBurn

345 1 2 13

python python-3.x pygame pyqt pyqt4 python-2.7 python-3.4

Anonymous

I can see it there! Looks nice :-)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Hey poll @snail @Dam @Harry @Unicorn: Should I change my avatar?

@Harry it looks nice, but still too book-ish.

Says a molecule.

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I'd rather you changed your name back. :P

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

That's a no-no.

Answer the question, or your answer might be converted into a comment. When you earn 15 rep, you'll be able to upvote any post. Thank you.

HarryCBurn

18:23

Awesome!

Damkerng T.

I like bookish! :D

HarryCBurn

Too book-ish?

D:

7

A: Why is the surface of the moon white?

The moon is actually grey. You can see this if you look at images taken in space, or, preferably, on the moon itself. For example, this one, of Buzz Aldrin: (Courtesy of NASA) But, seeing as how at night you compare it to a black sky, it appears white.

Ideas on grey vs. white in comments?

Damkerng T.

Describing colors with words is a very confusing task.

Also, no light, no color.

HarryCBurn

But still, we recognize it's difference.

Damkerng T.

FWIW, it looks like an answer to me. :D

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

18:25

@DamkerngT. That's not true for excited Rhodium complexes, or Na's flame color.

HarryCBurn

^

c:

Cool!

(Back in a second, recording a video.)

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Because they are the light source itself!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Well, I blew your argument. Well worth it.

Catija

19:03

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M You seem to have gotten turned around.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I was spinning and while at it I reached my tautomer @Cat.

Catija

@HarryCBurn I'd always assumed it appears white because the sky is such a huge contrast... being black. Things that are "overexposed" always fade to white, regardless of their actual color.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Catija That's a good argument.

Damkerng T.

@Catija @oerkelens If it's possible, please star this message so our old visitors can know about this room: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/22724305#22724305. Thanks in advance.

Anonymous

The apparent color of the moon varies considerably.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

19:06

THANKS IN ADVANCE.

Damkerng T.

@snailboat nods -- I like it yellow, though. :-)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@snailboat Specially with sunglasses.

Anonymous

Damkerng T.

turning...

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I blame PhotoShop.

Anonymous

19:07

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I blame NASA.

Anonymous

Grey? Yellow? White? Red? Blue? Blinvisible?

Catija

And, if it's a quarter moon, the "dark" side can be seen as a deep yellow.

Anonymous

I love quarter moons.

Anonymous

Damkerng T.

19:08

... into a werebot.

Anonymous

Look at all these on-topic snail pictures!

Anonymous

Luna is such a good snail.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

It used to be a joke here - "I'm so intrigued by the irony of calling beautiful women as moon."

Catija

AH, city haze. You make sunsets so much prettier.

@DamkerngT. Done. Looks like it's already sticky starred.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Catija It makes it more dramatic when I'm biking and my cool shadow is seen in the ground.

Damkerng T.

19:09

@Catija The pinning will be gone within two weeks, so the more stars, the better.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Catija Blame @snail.

Anonymous

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Is call X as Y a feature of Persian English? It's a well documented feature of Indian English.

Catija

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Snails do tend to leave a sticky residue.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@snailboat I'm not really thinking about the grammar of my sentences.

Anonymous

I'm not criticizing. I'm just curious :-)

Catija

19:11

"earthshine". :D

Anonymous

Ooh.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

No, I say that 'cuz Persian English totally rejects any feat.s InE has.

Damkerng T.

BTW, anyone know "mooncake"?

Anonymous

Pretty.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Catija Reminds me of pancakes.

@DamkerngT. Great minds think alike.

Catija

19:12

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I think the fasting is just getting to you.

Damkerng T.

I was trying to mix moon with cat and got mooncake.

Catija

@DamkerngT. You mean the Chinese New Year treats?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Catija No, but the grape juice is.

Damkerng T.

@Catija Yes!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

For the love of fluffy unicorns. . .<rant> Why couldn't this conversation be just before iftar?</rant>

Catija

19:13

Oooh, this one is cool, too.

oerkelens

@DamkerngT. done :)

Anonymous

Oh, wow! I've never seen the moon like that.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I somehow managed to imagine moon rolling down the hill.

Anonymous

What makes it look like that?

Damkerng T.

@oerkelens Thanks!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

19:14

@snailboat Pancakes.

Damkerng T.

@snailboat +1 It looks curious, too. :-)

What time of year, and where can that happen? Astronomers surely know the answer.

Catija

@snailboat It's actually called earthshine. It's when you have a new or nearly new moon and it's usually only visible around dawn or dusk.

Anonymous

@Catija Thanks! I'm going to read about that later tonight :-)

Catija

So the light hitting the moon in this case is reflecting off of the Earth first and then going to the "dark side" of the moon..

Anonymous

The Korean proposal is up to 44 users committed!

Anonymous

19:17

44

Korean Language and Usage

Proposed Q&A site for enthusiasts and experts of Korean Language, expats,and anyone interested in learning about Korean language, grammar and culture. 한국어와 이용 한국 열혈팬, 한국어 전문가 한국어 또는 한국어 문법, 한국 문화를 배우고 싶어 하는 누구나를 위하여 Q&A site에 제안되었습니다. 좋아하는 질문들에 upvote 해 주시기 바랍니다.

Currently in commitment.

Anonymous

It just barely made it into the commitment phase.

Damkerng T.

@snailboat Yay!

Catija

@snailboat Nice. I've committed to an Arts and Crafts proposal that's in commitment phase. It's about the same place.

Anonymous

I wonder if we have any ELLers who speak or are learning Korean

Anonymous

@Catija Do you have a link handy?

Catija

19:18

48

Arts and Crafts

Proposed Q&A site for questions about traditional artwork and handmade items.

Currently in commitment.

Anonymous

I have lots of crafty friends.

Damkerng T.

Listenever and jimsug. :-)

Catija

@snailboat Oh, awesome. You should get them to join in. It's a pretty broad Stack but I think it will be helpful to a lot of people.

Anonymous

Aww, Listenever was last seen in February.

Catija

@DamkerngT. Where is SaySay from?

Damkerng T.

19:20

I asked once, they left the room at once, so I have no idea.

Anonymous

@jimsug Have you seen the Korean Language proposal? Damkerng tells me you and Korean go together like two things that go together.

Damkerng T.

^ :-)

Anonymous

@Catija They've declined to saySay

Catija

@snailboat Clever Snail :P

Anonymous

Oh, Listenever's accounts on other English learning sites are all inactive now too.

Anonymous

19:29

So I don't really know how to contact her. I left her a comment just in case, though :-)

Damkerng T.

Aww

jimsug

19:41

@snailboat I saw it mentioned here earlier, I think.

I did some Korean phonology very briefly in my undergrad.

Unfortunately, I haven't really revisited it since, and so I don't think I'd get value out of Korean.SE

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@jimsug o/

Anonymous

Understood! :-) Thanks for taking the time to respond!

Damkerng T.

@jimsug Ahh... Got it!

jimsug

It is the sad thing about learning language, that it's difficult without ongoing effort and/or need.

Anonymous

Well, languages are big. They have lots of stuff in them.

Anonymous

19:48

Learning a language requires a pretty major change in your brain.

Catija

20:20

Ugh... anyone know much about how Area 51 works?

Damkerng T.

@Catija You probably know how it works better than me.

Catija

@DamkerngT. But they don't have a "Meta" and I don't know where to ask questions about stuff that really annoys me.

Damkerng T.

A meta question on a proposal?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Catija Discussions.Area51.

Catija

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I know but that's where all of the project-specific questions are, too... right?

Damkerng T.

20:24

Oh, right! The Discussion Zone.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Beware though, you know it better than me. . . Going in and asking something about what you apparently don't understand is downvote risky.

Catija

So, here's the problem I have... Start here:

48

Arts and Crafts

Proposed Q&A site for questions about traditional artwork and handmade items.

Currently in commitment.

See the discussions? If you click on one of them, it takes you to the "discussion" section... there's no way to get back to the proposal other than clicking the "back" button.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Catija Yes, you can simply "create new discussion".

@Catija Yes.

Catija

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M That's dumb.

Damkerng T.

nods -- That's why I've got so many tabs.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

20:25

Oh, now I get what you mean. . . You wanna talk about the dumbness of Area51.

Then meta.SE is the right place. There's even the tag area51.

Catija

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Yes.

Though, it seems that between the last time I ran into this and now they've added the little part at the top that says: "Proposal: ______" with a link... I'm pretty sure that wasn't always there.

Anonymous

@Catija Not really. I think it's built on a really old version of the Stack Exchange software. It's pretty hokey.

Anonymous

@Catija Yeah, that's the link you click to get back.

Catija

@snailboat I just swear it wasn't there the last time I got mad at this issue.

Anonymous

Well, it might not have been very obvious.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

20:31

@Catija It gets auto-added.

Anonymous

Area 51 doesn't have the most amazing design ever.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Yeah, reminds me of the 80s.

You guys' 80s.

Anonymous

Comments are not meant to be permanent. They can be deleted by moderators for any reason whatsoever, including for no reason whatsoever. — Richard ♦ 2 mins ago

Catija

Why am I getting offensive flag notifications for Mos Eisley? Was that just me? I'm not a mod anywhere, so I don't think I should be seeing them.

Anonymous

Now that's a hard line :-)

Anonymous

20:32

S'cause you've got 10,000 reputation total across all your accounts.

Anonymous

Non-moderator flags are shown to 10k users, which is why they're usually handled so quickly and poorly.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

That's cool!

Catija

@snailboat But I've had 10K for a while and I don't remember seeing it before except for once before today.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I should go get some rep. . .Meh, I'm feeling lazy.

I thought it had to be 10k on one site, but it's not.

@Catija Wait. . . Don't tell me ArrowFar has something to do with it.

Anonymous

Well, that's all the explanation I've got.

Catija

20:34

@snailboat I've had Robert Cartawhatever tell me the same thing.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Well-explained.

Anonymous

Users yell at me on Japanese.SE for deleting their comments when they get flagged.

Catija

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I don't actually know... It disappeared really quickly.

Anonymous

There are tons of 10k users, so they usually disappear really fast.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@snailboat i KNOWZ WERE YOU LIVE!

Anonymous

20:36

Often before anyone has an opportunity to look at them and determine whether they're reasonable or not.

Anonymous

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I don't understand this joke.

Catija

They're chat flags, though, right?

Anonymous

Yeah.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@snailboat I was mimicking one of those yelling-at-mods losers.

Akh my spelling has decreased.

Catija

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Q: Singular possessive, plural possessive or neither

For example suppose we record the actions (clicks) a user performs during the use of software. What "the order of actions" is called and what is the meaning of the following choices? action order (my guess) actions order actions' order action's order For several times, I have encountered suc...

phrase apostrophe phrase-construction

I feel like "action order" should be perfectly fine in that use... but I can't explain it. :(

It'd be the same as "set order" for a band's performance play-list or "script order" for a chronological progression through a script.

If they used "click" instead of "action" it seems natural, too. The "click order" is the order of a sequence of clicks.

Damkerng T.

20:46

I think it's unfortunate that somehow some learners read (or were taught to read!) Y's X as "X of Y" and X of Y as "X that belongs to Y".

Anonymous

Well, it's useful to know that those constructions have some overlap (and to know how much or how little overlap that is)

Anonymous

① TV's Walter Cronkite
② ??Walter Cronkite of television
③ ????Walter Cronkite that belongs to television

Damkerng T.

This could be a very interesting subject.

Anonymous

It is. I can't describe it very well.

Anonymous

Luckily, other people have already described that stuff in various books. :-)

Damkerng T.

20:58

Also another confusion is that some "X of Y" seems to be equivalent to "Y X".

Anonymous

The world of English linguistics would be doomed if it had to rely on snailboat!

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. Both X of Y and Y's X are commonly referred to as genitives, although it's rather confusing using the same term for two different things like that. Y X is sometimes referred to as genitive as well.

Damkerng T.

One problem is that of serves so many functions/meanings.

Anonymous

To be more precise, the of Y, Y's, and Y in each have been referred to as genitives. (But I only refer to Y's as genitive.)

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