The Nth Monitor

Ethan Bierlein

04:35

@QPaysTaxes upvote favorite view like subscribe love

I like your question.

@QPaysTaxes ^^ ??

Oh. Sorry to hear. :(

Ah. Okay.

okay...

@QPaysTaxes I deleted it

Urp. Those pretzels and that root beer I had are starting to get to me...

rolfl

There are a number of rooms on SE where talking just to fill the void is common, there's also IRC, and more.

This room, though, is losing it's SNR ratio to just a few people who can easily converse elsewhere

Ethan Bierlein

@rolfl I thought you said if there's no official business going on, that's okay.

rolfl

@EthanBierlein It also has to be a welcoming room for anyone to enter at any time and not feel out of place.

You guys flood the void with chummy mush that is not relevant, and you are welcome to do that elsewhere

The Cactus Game Engine

General discussion about Cactus: (github.com/ShearOfDoom/Cactu...

You already have it, use it. ^^^

Ethan Bierlein

Conversations that don't quite fit in The 2nd Monitor

Quill

Second

Ethan Bierlein

04:43

Thankx you

~~Fourth?~~ Third?

@rolfl ^^

room topic changed to The Nth Monitor: General discussion about anythingChummy discussion between chums (and anyone else who joins) (no tags)

Quill

Isn't Cactus enough?

Ethan Bierlein

room topic changed to The Nth Monitor: Chummy discussion between chums (and anyone else who joins) (no tags)

There we go

@Quill Nah. That's more for dev talk.

rolfl

Great... and I'll move stuff in here if I think it belongs.

Note that the rules of stack exchange still apply in here.

Ethan Bierlein

room topic changed to The Nth Monitor: Chummy discussion between chums (and anyone else who joins) [chums] [friends] [fun] [ponies]

@rolfl Yup.

rolfl

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Q: The NEW new "Be Nice" Policy ("Code of Conduct") — Updated with your feedback

Update: Thanks for all the additional feedback below. We incorporated a lot of your suggestions, and this is going live (as http://meta.stackexchange.com/help/be-nice). We're also looking at ways to get this in front of more new users when they sign up, to help them start off on the right foot...

The "Be Nice Policy" - and Chat

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was not me who pinned.

Ethan Bierlein

04:47

me

Feeds

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Ethan Bierlein has added Quill to the list of this room's owners.

Ethan Bierlein

There we go

Hosch250

@QPaysTaxes That was really unnecessary.

rolfl

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Ethan Bierlein

Hello @Hosch250!

Hosch250

04:50

Hello, @rolfl.

Was my SNR too low?

rolfl

Nope, just part of the dragnet

Hosch250

Oh, OK.

Ethan Bierlein

I hope this room gains some traction. It'd be cool. :D

Hosch250

I have a tendency to get a bit silly sometimes.

@EthanBierlein You and Q can keep it active easily.

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No, it is unbecoming.

Quill

@QPaysTaxes Not for a potential mod, guys

nvm

Ethan Bierlein

04:54

Oi. I don't feel good. I'm gonna go to bed @all. Night.

Quill

Good Night

Hosch250

Night.

Yes?

No, I don't think so.

They might not get as many votes, though.

Dead serious.

Just don't overdo it, because people might not appreciate it.

Quill

05:15

Hmm, I might write down a guess on how this election ends up

sounds fun, guessing the results

Hosch250

05:26

Jamal for 1.

Mat and Simon and Janos are the rest of my guesses.

Quill

10:38

@QPaysTaxes Scala, really?

CodeX

14:38

What do you all code in?

What do you code in @SirPython

rolfl

CodeX, do you have something specific to ask?

CodeX

Um.. :/

Quill

@rolfl I think he's just trying to get a general feel of the kinda coders we are

CodeX

I just wanted to know what language you code in..

Vogel612

@rolfl a little twitchy today, eh?

rolfl

14:41

Yeah, and you can check profiles

Quill

@CodeX Mostly C#, Java, VB and Python here, but also a few PHP developers

Very broad though

Vogel612

@Quill how come Java isn't in that list?

@CodeX drop it...

rolfl

@CodeX At the moment, yes

Malachi

@CodeX C#, VB, SQL, JavaScript, ...

CodeX

Thankyou @Malachi

Thankyou @Quill

rolfl

14:45

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CodeX

Cool

nhgrif

I have some language tags, right?

nhgrif, Conway, AR

20.1k 8 29 73

ios objective-c java swift c++ arrays iphone

Oh yeah.

iphone is a sweet language.

Malachi

Malachi, South Dakota

18.1k 3 46 125

c# sql sql-server beginner javascript html performance

nhgrif

and arrays, that's a fun language.

rolfl

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Quill

14:49

Night, all

Malachi

@rolfl Suggest a name change ►► CR Watercooler

Hey Everyone!

CodeX

15:09

Hah

Rolfl Froze 2nd monitor

WHy @rolfl

Vogel612

@rolfl please give a time-estimate when you will unfreeze the room

CodeX

@rolfl

Malachi

lol

because it was needed

nhgrif

No, I suggest we get a different chat. Note who the room owners are of this room...

Vogel612

@nhgrif meh. we can ask a mod to make this into something more official.

nhgrif

15:13

No...

I don't want anything official.

Vogel612

and in that respect change the owners, too.

ermph.. I think rolfl made it an official thing...

nhgrif

I unquestionably do not want that.

Vogel612

@nhgrif neither do I actually, but it seems to be the new status quo

nhgrif

Only if we let it be. :/

It's absurd what is going on right now.

And of course, if I start chatting about how absurd it is here, what's to stop rolfl from doing something about it here too?

Vogel612

true, but that's how mods work as of now

if you want to complain about it somewhere different than here write an email to the team, write a meta post flag something for CM attention, go to a different chat..

you got tons of options

nhgrif

15:16

I don't want to complain about it.

rolfl

@nhgrif the meta option would be my preference

nhgrif

I want a room where none of the room owners are also moderators.

I don't care, @rolfl

I really don't.

For the first time in an extraordinarily long time I just left The 2nd Monitor.

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rolfl

@nhgrif IRC?

skiwi

Just think about the fact that you're not entitled to anything on the SE network

nhgrif

I'm not part of that crowd any more.

It's absurd, but do whatever you want there.

rolfl

15:17

Well, that's odd.

certainly not my intention

@nhgrif - you just got kicked?

nhgrif

I don't care what your intentions where. I expressed my concerns about it for about an hour now and I've wasted enough time.

Malachi

@Jamal, can I be a room owner?

nhgrif

You just don't get it.

There's nothing worse than inconsistently moderator rules.

rolfl

@nhgrif I do get it, but I don't want to dicuss it in chat.

This is not me ignoring you, or anyone in particular, this is me trying to restore the usefulness of one of the sites most valuable tools

Vogel612

@rolfl point is, you went, smashed everyones nice party where you could talk about the site in peace when needed and about other things when nothing was wrong on site

rolfl

15:22

Yes, I smashed the party. That was my intention

it should not have been a party, and it was a mistake to let it go for that long

fixing it will not be easy, sure, and there's stuff to undo, but it needs to be done.

CodeX

@rolfl did you get told off or something..?

skiwi

I honestly think this was an over-reaction

But kick-the-trolls should still apply

rolfl

It escalated as the discussion got more and more heated.

I started off trying to be nice about it, but got resistance.

Vogel612

I'll take a timeout here.

and I think you might too want to do that

Ethan Bierlein

Woah. This room actually gained some traction!

CodeX

15:24

@rolfl Wait.. There were arguments ?

rolfl

@Ethan / @Quill / @QPaysTaxes - yes, the room got traction, and you're no longer going to be owners either.

Ethan Bierlein

Awww

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CodeX

@rolfl I completely understand where your coming from if there were arguments / insults taking place. That CANNOT be tolerated.

rolfl

Is someone pinging me?

Ahh, ignores carry over.

@CodeX Are you telling me something I should know that you think I don't know?

Malachi

15:28

@rolfl can we have a non-moderator owner as well? I don't know what usefulness it would have because I don't know how all the tools work yet.

CodeX

@rolfl Oh, you ignored me.. thats mature..

Great moderator doesnt even want to listen to his room members..

rolfl

You were interrupting me with questions I felt were irrrelevant....

CodeX

Thats the problem

rolfl

Yup, and you were going off-topic.

that's the problem./

@CodeX Feel free to nominate yourself if you think you can do better

CodeX

"You were interrupting me with questions "I" felt were irrrelevant...." - Rolfl..

skiwi

15:29

This is getting childish

If you want others to act mature, then act mature yourself

CodeX

I was actually trying to tell you i agree with your decision

@rolfl I completely understand where your coming from if there were arguments / insults taking place. That CANNOT be tolerated.

@rolfl I'm sorry if I was being off topic but my questions were to ascertain boundaries

Ethan Bierlein

Did.. I miss something?

CodeX

If you make rules you have to actually let the people know what they are

rolfl

@CodeX I'll explain like I would to a 5 year old, but once only: General discussion about Code Review site -> codereview.stackexchange.com

That's the rules

They have been plain to see for a long time.

Idle chatter has been allowed as long as it has not interfered with the main topic.

idle chatter started interfereing, so I am reacting to that

CodeX

Wow @rolfl I know but when i joined i was made to feel like i was wrong for being there..

I asked one question..

Ethan Bierlein

15:33

This room is essentially for idle chatter. Right @rolfl? Or am I wrong?

CodeX

I respect you as a mod @rolfl and i apologise if i offended you in any way, i just wanted to get to the bottom of what was going on

rolfl

@CodeX You joined a long time ago: chat.stackexchange.com/users/120743/codex?tab=recent

CodeX

@rolfl It seemed to have changed that's all

rolfl

@CodeX You arrived at just the wrong time today....

CodeX

I did!

haha

Lets just leave it at that and move on

rolfl

15:36

which is a good example of why the room has become unwelcoming to new people

CodeX

I would make suggestions but i can see you know what your doing

Is this room more random

Ethan Bierlein

@CodeX Yeah

CodeX

Thanks @EthanBierlein

I want to be productive with my coding and learning a new langauge is always fun

Ethan Bierlein

@CodeX Think idle chatter about anything, making sure it's within the rules.

CodeX

Going back to my initial question "what does everyone code" i am thinking of taking up C#

Ethan Bierlein

15:38

@CodeX You should try it. It's a really cool language.

CodeX

I have coded some in the past but never really got in to it

I didnt even know it could be used for web based projects

Ethan Bierlein

C# can be used for almost anything.

CodeX

Is there an article i can read explaining how that works?

I used to make little applications for windows

bazola

@CodeX java + libGDX is pretty nice

Ethan Bierlein

If you want to do web dev with C#, try asp.net

I haven't used ASP.NET, but I've heard it's pretty cool.

Malachi

15:40

C# is awesome. I love it

I hate having to code in VB, mostly because it doesn't have Semi-colons

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lol

Ethan Bierlein

VB is, blurgh

CodeX

I remember making the transition from C++ to C# and being like "What!.. I can build a GUI with a click??"

I used to use C++ for memory hooks (Simple game hacks)

Very interesting stuff when you start to understand it

Ethan Bierlein

C# is super easy for GUI.

I'd like to do C++ at some point though.

CodeX

C++ is awesome but you have to code the GUI..

Not much fun

Maybe you could make the GUI in C# and dump it into your project

Ethan Bierlein

Probably. I'm sure a little tinkering would allow it.

Malachi

15:43

one of those links I posted wasn't even about chat, it was about Meta...lol

Ethan Bierlein

Oh man. I'm only 5 rep from 4K

CodeX

@Malachi How do i nominate someone?

Malachi

just a second

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Q: 2015 Community Moderator Election - Nomination Requests

In the light of the currently running nomination phase of the 2015 Community Moderator Election, I want to add this question as a place for the community to nudge candidates on the edge into actually nominating themselves. This seems to be customary around the network: Some sites like to hos...

discussion election

Ethan Bierlein

lol

Malachi

should have asked that one in chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/25330/…

but it's all good

CodeX

15:50

@Malachi Are you already a candidate?

Malachi

yes I am :)

CodeX

How do i vote for you?

Malachi

codereview.stackexchange.com/election/1#post-95138

Ethan Bierlein

@CodeX It's only nominations right now

Malachi

@CodeX you have to wait for the election now

CodeX

15:50

Ok ;)

Jamal

SO's LQ queue must be quite large right now. There are still some flags pending for un-accepted link-only answers. There are at least a week old.

Ethan Bierlein

wow

Jamal

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21903705/making-imapmessage-parcellable/21920047#21920047
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11079713/can-not-fetching-yahoo-mail-by-pop3-protocol-by-javamail/11090900#11090900
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30024191/not-able-to-read-content-of-mail-using-javamail/30036595#30036595
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11921435/convert-to-unicode-from-utf-8/11926070#11926070

Malachi

@Jamal I don't think I have access to that queue yet

I do!

CodeX

Are there any free C# programs for windows?

Ethan Bierlein

15:56

@Jamal That's a little suspicious. It's the same user linking the same link on different questions.

CodeX

I used to have VS2011

Ethan Bierlein

I have VS2015

Vogel612

VS 15 is free in the community edition

Ethan Bierlein

Yup ^^

I have the community edition

CodeX

Wow thanks!

Looks like someones farming points @Jamal

Ethan Bierlein

15:58

visualstudio.com/en-us/products/vs-2015-product-editions.aspx

Jamal

@CodeX I think he was just under the impression that link-only answers are preferred. When I checked for similar answers on his profile, I've found about 90 similar ones. I'm serious.

CodeX

Oh.. wow.. I guess it does answer the question but very loosely..

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