The Whiteboard

The JET Bicycle - The most dangerous unsafe bike EVER

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... apparently, he likes bicycles.

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Okay, the ice one was neat, but the jet one....sometimes you should just wonder about things and not necessarily try them :P

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@AshleyNunn ronpatrickstuff.com

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2:59 AM

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> We get this a lot. A police officer picking at his nose while trying to figure out what to charge me with. Notice the hopeful anticipation of us on the right. We're rooting for him and offer suggestions but unfortunately, the California Department of Motor Vehicles did not anticipate such a vehicle so he's out of luck. Hmmm, the car has two engines making the car a hybrid so maybe we can drive in the commuter lanes along with the Toyota Priuses.

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And then there's the scooter for his wife...

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VW Jet Car

Jim's Valveless Pulsejet Engine

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3:07 AM

Back to the bicycle.... the design is a pulse jet.

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Pulsejet

A pulsejet engine (or pulse jet) is a type of jet engine in which combustion occurs in pulses. Pulsejet engines can be made with few or no moving parts, and are capable of running statically (ie it does not need to have air forced into its inlet typically by forward motion). Pulsejet engines are a lightweight form of jet propulsion, but usually have a poor compression ratio, and hence give a low specific impulse. One notable line of research of pulsejet engines includes the pulse detonation engine which involves repeated detonations in the engine, and which can potentially give high compression...

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An example fixed version:

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6:19 AM

Try asking at programmers.stackexchange.com — Evert 14 secs ago

11:20 AM

@MichaelT Hi. I'm a fairly new to programming. I have only about 2 years of experience in it. My major is Java. I have asked this question on this chat room few weeks before. But i don't know who had replied to me, but he pointed me to you.
I feel though i'm working with programming language, my design skill is not in a good position. I'm still a undergrad as well as a full time developer. I'm in much hungry for learning designing and i need help from you

@MichaelT I'm looking for a good way to improve the way when i do coding and providing solutions in terms of programming and designing. I have done advance mathematics in high-school. So, i remember there we had quiet tricky calculations like x =(x + 1) - 1 [when it comes to integration and series]. Those things i learned as i was deeply into maths and with my experience.

@MichaelT I know in every field; there are tricky things that you should know. And if we chose some field as a profession, then we should know lot lot more than a brilliant student in College. I think you can understand what i'm seeking for. simply the knowledge to improve my analytical, design and problem solving. Can you please help me ? Looking for a good resource that might really worth and helpful for someone like me.

@ThomasOwens ^

11:48 AM

You want to get better at design? Then keep designing and have people peer review it.

@ThomasOwens i'm looking for a resource

You don't learn design by reading books.

You learn design by doing design and being critical of it yourself and having other people give critical feedback on it.

@ThomasOwens ohh i see. So, you are saying it can only get by the time?

Pretty much, yeah. You need good people to provide feedback, though. Most of the resources I've found on software design are more about tools for creating and communicating designs, not actually how to create good designs.

you learn by making mistakes and figuring out what you can do better next time

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11:54 AM

Any recommendations which might help me while learning this?

going back to past projects once in a while and cringing at the overall design

i'll try to follow your advise

I have another question. This is not relate to my previous one. I have only read one programming language book. SCJP Java 6 exam guide. Other than this, i haven't read anybooks. I am drowning in the sea of new technologies which i can learn. But it's almost half way 2015. If i start to learn Apache Commons library. Will it be a good decision to take?

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12:58 PM

@CrazyNinja from a bit I said earlier

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2 days ago, by MichaelT

@overexchange I really can't say. Book learning can only take you so far. You need to start trying to solve problems with what you know rather than pontificating over design. Sit down and write a twitter clone. Or a calculator (either a rpn calculator, or one that understands order of operations and parentheses). Or a classical encryption routine. Or a library management system. Or a text based game. Or a spreadsheet. Or a city traffic simulation program. Something.

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Libraries and framework study doesn't actually help you with design. They are like looking at a hammer without trying to make a cabinet.

it would be better to change to programmers.stackexchange.com — BRAHIM Kamel just now

@MichaelT because when you then actually make the cabinet you will find that the hammer you were looking at is not the correct one to be using.

@ratchetfreak more like: When you set out to build your cabinet you'll realise that building a sturdy cabinet doesn't necessarily follow from using a hammer.

1:11 PM

@MetaFight you need a hammer for the nails, or a mallet to pound the joints together as you are gluing, however a sledge hammer will do more damage than you would want

Gordon

hi guys

what is your opinion about the hadoop technology and will it have future in the near years

Q: What are the things you can do to maximize your chances of hitting good programmers in the campus?

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I'm thinking about approaching my lecturers in my university for student recommendation for me to hire. So far the emails I sent are not very encouraging. The lecturers either coming back to me, saying that they couldn't get good students, or just ignore my mail. I tried to be as polite as I coul...

hiring

Drive really fast through the labs? — Shog9 ♦ Mar 17 '11 at 4:53

> You voted to close this question yesterday

Q: AngularJS + C# + real time notifications for over 20k users

1:26 PM

@ThomasOwens 20 of the 22 remaining hiring questions have at least one CV, and I'm about to edit one of the remaining 2

@enderland Ugh I really don't want to waste my last CV on that PHP question

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I used my last CV on a SO question cross-posted here after I explicitly warned people it would be off-topic.

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I've been searching for tools that can match the requirements I have, but I am not a c# specialist and hope someone can help me here. What tools should I use for real time notifications to my AngularJS frontend sent by my C# backend, that supports 20k users simultaneously? Is a matter of server-...

c# angularjs

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Q: AngularJS + C# + real time notifications for over 20k users

I've been searching for tools that can match the requirements I have, but I am not a c# specialist and hope someone can help me here. What tools should I use for real time notifications to my AngularJS frontend sent by my C# backend, that supports 20k users simultaneously? Is a matter of server-...

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@Snowman I think it was posted here before your comment

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@enderland It was very close, but regardless, the damage was done.

1:30 PM

Yeah. people suggesting p.se as the site are the problem...

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I would not even mind that as long as people bothered to read what is on-topic for the site first.

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@ratchetfreak why are you using nails? That framework is old. Today the fasteners of choice are screws and biscuits with a special biscuit cutter.

@MichaelT they have there place in quick prototyping along with clamps, however for quality you should be using box joints or mortise and tenon joints with glue

@durron597 I won't be able to help much until next week. Still no Internet in the new apartment (they somehow cancelled instead of transferring service, but I do get all the new subscriber perks and rates and new equipment).

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I was more poking fun at the framework notion of it being outdated.

1:34 PM

hmmm, 100 work related emails were sent over the weekend - some of my team working in India on an urgent project...

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Which is the problem with studying tools rather than trying to solve problems.

@ThomasOwens lame. new equipment and perks is good at least

Is this question off topic "off site resource" ?

@BRAHIMKamel don't suggest different sites if you don't want to read the site scope. Questions like this do NOT fit the scope of Programmers.SE and when you suggest sites for users such as xnogueira to move questions to sites they are quickly closed on, it does not help them. "Recommend me a tool" questions are explicitly off topic on programmers.stackexchange.com... — enderland 10 secs ago

true, for example (free)glut is horrible outdated for opengl but people still learn it from tutorials and don't realize that it forces globals on the programmer

void glutSolidTeapot(GLdouble size); bring back memories

1:39 PM

and a teapot

as long you provive a valid size

Some of the first OO code (well, code using an OO language - my OO code was terrible) was in my OpenGL course... be fun to go back and take that again now, knowing what I know now

@durron597 it's unfortunate that people who post questions to the wrong site basically are building a qban for themselves.... (that guy who should have posted to SO)

@durron597 I know. :( Soon, though.

@enderland Or make us use our CVs to migrate which also sucks

Q: Absolutely every question I ever ask on Programmers ends up being a bad question and put on hold for off topic

I just can't take more time off from work, so I need to wait for Saturday.

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1:45 PM

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Absolutely every question I ever ask on programmers.stackexchange.com ends up being a bad question and put on hold due to being off topic. Where can I ask my questions without having to constantly defend from negative comments and votes, the question being put on hold, etc? Not every programmi...

support site-recommendation close-reasons off-topic on-hold

Maybe programmers.stackexchange.com should be a better place to ask. — JFPicard 1 min ago

@JFPicard programmers.se covers architecture questions. But it does not cover "tell me what tool to use" which is what this question effectively is. — enderland 22 secs ago

@Duga @enderland oh you didn't VTC that one? Don't tell me you forgot you have SO close votes

2:00 PM

@durron597 oh. yeah. :P

I probably use most of them when I do them on duga related "really bad question" questions

Is this question off topic "off site resource" ?

@enderland Wow. On Stack Overflow licensing had 2100 open questions on June 4. It's down to 315

28 mins ago, by durron597

haha, from that question

> (Arguably you should hire people who do well on tests and bad on the rest of the interview, since they are apparently just as good on the job but may find it harder to leave your company).

heh

A lot of people would be able to help you, but that would be such a broad explanation that it's quicker to say it than write it, and SO is anyway not the place for that kind of discussion. You may find more help on http://programmers.stackexchange.com/ — Bartdude 54 secs ago

2:23 PM

> An error occurred:
while trying to invoke the method com.crystaldecisions.sdk.framework.IEnterpriseSession.getService(java.lang.String, java.lang.String) of a null object loaded from local variable 'session'

that's a helpful page load error. lol

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because service availability has nothing to do with programming (even if it is service created by or for programmers). — Gábor Bakos 55 secs ago

3:35 PM

@gnat I left you a few comments on meta

Can we please get some more 20k delete votes on the bad answers to this question?

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@gnat maybe you should answer some more questions so you can have 20k yourself

3:57 PM

May 1 at 17:40, by gnat

in a month or two I'll complete my MSE "crusade" and will run to 20K, to test whether it's worth it :)

^^^ hot questions crusade

I see, good logic. You did really smart not limiting call to cleanup to moderators. :) That way looks doable. I saw at 10K tools page that many answers there already got delete votes from 20Kers, we only need to get more of them to complete this — gnat 21 mins ago

...it's rolled out from visible part of 10K queue recent votes but if memory serves, most VtDed answers needed just one more vote to get away

@gnat I don't have any way to know how often people use the 10k page here, only having 10k myself on SO which is an entirely different beast

@gnat My current plan is to have more CV reviews than you with less than 4k rep ;)

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Gnat does reviews outside the queue except audits to avoid going on record or something.

This whole question and your notions would probably be better asked at SE Programmers — Plutonix 22 secs ago

4:13 PM

@MichaelT Well, he does have 2.1k reviews

Has he done 2100 audits?

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Review history is public on the profile.

@MichaelT Looks like he's trying to do audits only but sometimes he's wrong ;)

Wait, no, those ones I thought were "not audits" were actually reopen and low quality reviews

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Low quality reviews are the only way for <20k to delete vote a question

@durron597 try catching up with me at SO :)

@gnat Nah I just wave my cheerleader pompoms around there for rene

@gnat These days at SO I'm either trying to put things into the queue and/or 10k sniping

4:21 PM

> enderland 3

might be a while....

Nothing aggravates me more than SO questions with multiple CVs that age away

@MichaelT I wonder if it's possible to query questions that got to 4 CVs but then had them age away

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Don't believe so with our tools.

@durron597 not 2100, but close to 1000 I think. First thousand, I remember bothering with these extra clicks to "register" my vote in queue, to get the badge. After Steward, I dropped wasting time. Only audits, to show the system that I am alive and reading, and (very infrequently) Leave Open, 'cause one can't do that outside of queue

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There was also a period where people were particularly prickly about those people with lots of close reviews or down votes on meta.

@MichaelT FWIW abstaining of reviews wouldn't "hide" close voters, they can be found with SEDE (except for deleted questions)

@durron597 recent feature allowing to recast expired vote made it less of an issue, didn't it? I used recasts quite a lot during looking-for cleanup and it went okay

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4:40 PM

It hides unsuccessful ones and obscured the info visible from profile page.

@gnat I guess that works when there aren't enough questions with pending CVs to only use the 10k tools

Though honestly I think CV reviews are LESS clicks than 10k tools, personally.

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Review, open external, close, skip.

@gnat It's not less of an issue with SO. Garbage questions can stay alive forever unless people do a cv-pls

@MichaelT I don't always open the external post

And it's definitely more clicks if you want to find the question to Leave Open it

5:30 PM

> very nice my bro i couldnt sleep till i seen this. it has made me wat to live now to study this, before i had nothing but now, now i have this thank u so much u saved my life john bishop

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5:42 PM

@durron597 Most of the atrocious ones are now gone.

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@durron597 This hurts my brain

@GlenH7 Oh, that one is gone too, I just thought it was particularly funny

@GlenH7 Did you delete these yet?

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@durron597 That's what my reply was linking to, yes

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There's only 1 negatively scored answer with a delete vote on it left.

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Not a great answer, but not necessarily delete worthy either

5:47 PM

@GlenH7 Oh, I thought you were saying most of the atrocious "thank you answers" are gone because of moderators, haha

Note to self: check statement replied to

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Yep. :-)

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The reply was mostly so you can unpin your request for 20k delete votes

@GlenH7 Which answer still has any delete votes?

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Q: "What kind of programming Job does a person with a CIS degree do?"
A" "Redirects new users to the help center after they ask off-topic questions."

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this one has 1 delete vote on it.

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5:51 PM

Not mine. It's down vote worthy, but not necessarily delete worthy.

@GlenH7 Yeah ok

cv-pls primarily opinion based: programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/82973/…

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Got an email this weekend from an Amazon recruiter. "So and so saw your GitHub profile and was really impressed with your work!"

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Can anyone spot the issue there?

@GlenH7 presence of answers that are down- but not delete- worthy often indicates that the question is troublesome :)

@GlenH7 "thanks for letting me know about the likely identify theft!"

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5:56 PM

@gnat Yeah, it's kind of a crap question too.

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@enderland If we were playing hide & seek, I'd say "you're getting warmer..."

@GlenH7 I don't get it.

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<--- doesn't have a GitHub profile....

now I get it.

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@GlenH7 hahaha most excellent

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5:59 PM

Likewise, when they say "Hey, you've got an awesome SO profile!", then I know to ignore them. :-)

@GlenH7 to be fair, most people think SE=SO

maybe they are confused legitimately then

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That's true. I'm a little less forceful when I click delete on those messages. :-)

On a side note, I think I'm wearing women's deodorant.

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smells nice.

@GlenH7 maybe. I recently did a massive edit to it, and can't tell with certainty ("editor bias" so to speak). I plan to revisit it after a week or two, to let my heat dissolve and try to make my mind. That said, I just tested it in logged out mode - your deletions made it look much better for "outside visitors"

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@MetaFight Whose tagline was "Strong enough for a man, pH balanced for a woman?"

6:02 PM

@GlenH7 I don't understand deodorant in this country. They don't have a Men's section or a Women's section and they all smell nice :)

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@gnat It's a bit squishy and soft and therefore prone to bike shedding. But it's also at CW status and I'm not in a mood to tilt at windmills today.

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@MetaFight Oddly related

@gnat I think a couple of downvoted answers for being "not great" as opposed to being one liner or whatever isn't a problem for a historical lock

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How does SE want to be notified of sites that scrape SE content & re-publish as their own? Is that an MSE post?

@durron597 for lock, that's for sure. As I said, after Glen's votes it looks quite respectable for outsiders. I just need some time to decide whether it should be closed / locked (see what I wrote about "editor bias" above)

6:08 PM

@GlenH7 that link summarized: "Q: How not to stink of poo when not showering? A: wipe butt better." Wouldn't a better answer be: "avoid situation altogether by showering. preferably not with poo" ?

Q: Updated procedure for reporting SCRAPERs

@GlenH7 yes there's MSE post listing these, where you add the scrapper you discovered as a separate answer

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@GlenH7 It is an MSE post, let me look for it

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Since day one of Stack Overflow, all content posted on Stack Exchange sites by their users (i.e. you wonderful people) has been provided to the whole universe under the CC-BY-SA license. For my fellow non-lawyers, that license basically means: Anyone can use any Stack Exchange posts at any time...

discussion seo attribution copycat-sites screen-scraping

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@AshleyNunn ty!

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@gnat They actually changed that process slightly, it looks like

6:09 PM

This needs two more CVs A mod declined my flag because "It wasn't even closed yet". @MetaFight ?

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@durron597 I kickstarted that party, sorry

@GlenH7 Yeah I figured you were one of the three

I'm out, obviously, I haven't even CVed it myself yet

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slacker. :-)

heh it already has one from me

> Attention. This is not a sales call. You have been referred by a friend or neighbor... click

6:22 PM

@GlenH7 that answer you didn't want to delete, you're probably right about it. It only looked very poor because wall-of-text, but recent edit made it look okay (not stellar mind you but still). And it's fair in a sense that it doesn't repeat earlier answers. Though, for the sake of completeness, it looks much inferior compared to at least two later answers...

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It felt like a delete vote would mean I was straying too far into the "deleting to editorially control content" territory as opposed to "deleting to get rid of crap."

@GlenH7 I bet you wouldn't feel like that if it was shown in original form :)

@GlenH7 How is dusting parts of your body with baking soda easier than taking a shower?

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@durron597 Troll is as troll does.

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@durron597 Oh god, the workplace shower question? Just shower, dude. It's like....1000% easier and better than any of these crackpot solutions!

6:32 PM

@AshleyNunn hah, not workplace

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"LifeHacks"

wait a minute, if I use CC-BY-SA code does that mean I have to publish my resulting source code?

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No

> You have to allow other people to use your content, as long as they follow these very same rules. How meta!

@GlenH7 I didn't think so, but it said that

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> ShareAlike — If you remix, transform, or build upon the material, you must distribute your contributions under the same license as the original.

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6:35 PM

i.e. if you re-release, then you can't change the original material license. And your contributions (code) also have to be CC-BY-SA as pertained to that segment of code. It's mildly viral, but not GPL viral.

What if I don't release ever?

Ugh I have spent like 2 hours today updating permissions since the person who set them up did them... incorrectly

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@durron597 then you never have to give out your code

@GlenH7 what if I write an android app and then I use Stack Overflow to help me fix a bug

the app is supposed to be closed source and for money

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@enderland I meant LH, don't know why I said WP

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6:37 PM

I write project Foo that uses Bar. I modify Bar to Bar'.
If I never release Foo+Bar', then I never have to release the code I modified for Bar'
If I never release Bar', then I never have to release the code I modified for Bar'
If I only release Foo, and not Bar', I still don't have to release the code I modified for Bar'.
I only have to give up the Bar' code I wrote if I release Bar'.

This class is in my client app

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@durron597 Somewhere in your client app legal boilerplate, you need to provide attribution to using code provided on SO

There is an attribution in the client

but we only use the client internally

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And you should probably mention the user you pulled it from, but I doubt that's really required. Just good form.

/**
 * <p>Extension of {@code JFormattedTextField} which solves some of the usability issues</p>
 *
 * @author Robin
 * @see <a href="http://stackoverflow.com/a/13424140/1768232">Is there any way to accept only numeric values in a JTextField?</a>
 */

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6:39 PM

@durron597 Even GPL can't hit you there - GPL viral effect doesn't kick in until you release externally.

6:52 PM

can anyone give me some good resources to start learning how to provide multilingual support in my web app? i'm a good back end developer with database experience... but am fairly new to front end web dev. my app is written in html5/css3 and lua /cgi on the server side. i'm not using any frameworks.

@dot start using one that provides it or reinvent the wheel, again. Read about i18n.

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@dot it will be very ugly with the set you have. Don't.

googled about lua cgi i18n: github.com/kikito/i18n.lua first result

what does i18n stand for @André? I wouldn't have known to google that..

sorry but i really am very new

@dot en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationalization_and_localization

6:58 PM

right.

checking it out

good luck in your endeavors :) you will need it

@André hm. doesn't sound too promising. thanks

i18n is always a pain, especially after you coded everything and need to add support for it

i see

a lot of refactoring i imagine.

every label

everywhere

7:01 PM

sounds painful.

nods

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7:13 PM

For some reason, delete vote therapy wasn't as therapeutic today.

Maybe because it's monday?

This weekend was more difficult than work is for me though... so mindlessly clicking over and over again for me has been nice today

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I guess I'm used to seeing more egregious crap in the delete queue. Things that make it easy to click "delete" and know you made the site a little bit better as a result.

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@GlenH7 Makes sense, but I just know I wouldn't be good at it.

@AshleyNunn have you taken the Insights personality profile type of thing? My wife's says something nearly exactly like that as a possible weakness for her management style

@GlenH7 I'm curious how far in those sorts of processes I would get

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@enderland I have not

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7:19 PM

Is it an online thingie?

No

user20683

that's a pity

Well, it is, but they normally charge you too much money - it builds a more comprehensive profile thing than other ones (supposedly)

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Boo hiss.

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I am a sucker for online tests

7:21 PM

We did it at work and my wife was curious so she emailed them directly and they gave her a free one though (I think it's like $100+ for the full assessment?)

It's just a lot more accurate than stuff like myers briggs since it customizes the stuff it tells you completely based on how you answer questions, rather than trying to categorically describe you into one of a few boxes

user15026

Okay, that's neat. I want to do it now!

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sadface

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@AshleyNunn Ask and maybe they'll provide another free voucher

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:-)

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@enderland As the interviewer or the interviewee?

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7:22 PM

It's true, it doesn't hurt to ask :)

@GlenH7 the latter mainly

@AshleyNunn insights.com

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Sometimes the former is just as hard. :-)

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I do know that I'm 49% D on that DISC thing

user15026

Aw,to contact them they want my employer's name

@GlenH7 I suppose there is only one way to know for sure....

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7:24 PM

Yep

user20683

@AshleyNunn Hugs Co. LLC?

user15026

Suddenly the whole office smells like strawberry jello.

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@WorldEngineer I could make up stuff, yeah.

@enderland What is this? Can you invite me?

@durron597 linked-in

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7:26 PM

@durron597 - It certainly crossed my mind. But for reasons I obviously can't reveal, it simply wouldn't work in this case.

@GlenH7 I'm surprised you can't even reveal it in (removed) but that's cool

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I try to be exceptionally respectful about candidate's privacy and not revealing any details. For example, if you re-read my above post, you shouldn't be able to tell if they are female or male.

@GlenH7 Completely reasonable

Though, without even gender, it would be hard for someone in this chatroom to have any hope of figuring out who the person is. For example, if I were to say "I interviewed someone for a C# development position who didn't even know what a class is", that would hardly violate someone's privacy IMO.

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Agreed. I just prefer to be overly cautious about the matter.

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7:44 PM

Is "Their Foo and Bar knowledge did not present strongly enough." grammatically correct?

I like how someone described personality tests in this leadership chat/blog I idle in:

hiring based on personality tests is like hiring based on horoscopes.

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So we shouldn't be asking candidates for their sign?!

user114359

Hey baby, what's your sign? Mine is ±.

given how shitty interviews actually are at hiring good candidates, I dare say you can't do much worse.

A: Is there any formal research in FizzBuzz Question Effectiveness?

8:02 PM

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It's been a long time since I read up on job interview research, (so I can't site specifics, for which I apologize) but the general rule is that people hire on the basis of soft skills but there is no correlation between that and performance. Testing for specific skills can work, for personality...

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8:23 PM

Oh, that's a name I don't see often in recent delete.

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programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/58852/…

I don't ever see names there! :)

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haha

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@MichaelT I haven't seen that name in a while, but the user was active yesterday

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8:30 PM

He doesn't typically close or delete here about. Just interesting to see it pop up in the lists.

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Shog tends to be fairly hands off of diamond powers here.

user114359

Oh, that name. I was thinking the question author.

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He probably just saw some obvious crap pop up by chance and took care of it.

7 hours ago, by durron597

Drive really fast through the labs? — Shog9 ♦ Mar 17 '11 at 4:53

I wonder if that pinged him. I didn't intend for it to, obviously.

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he might have seen it on random glances at the transcript.

8:35 PM

@MichaelT Also possible

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We are more interesting and less problematic than other rooms.

@durron597 that doesn't ping

@enderland It doesn't ping mere mortals...

I wonder if Shog has super secret CM mechanism to ping every time someone types Shog without an @

It's also possible that I posted it here, then someone flagged it as "too chatty", and then he handled it

I doubt he handles chat flags

@enderland Not the chat flag, the comment itself

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8:38 PM

Shog9 is too busy saving children from burning orphanages to handle chat flags.

@durron597 I doubt he browses the p.se flag count too ;)

@enderland I dunno, maybe Thomas contacted him "hey, someone flagged one of your messages what do you wanna do"

Is there one TL or are there many TLs?

Eh, that's not really that meaningful all things considered to ask shog about

he might check tags to blacklist. Remember, Thomas mentioned that as one of the goals of current STCI? IIRC blacklisting requires involvement of someone from SE team

@gnat Yeah. I should roll that into here. Once there's a good list of tags that are just up for blacklisting (with or without destruction), I can point a CM at this question and specific answers. — Thomas Owens ♦ Apr 13 at 11:53

9:03 PM

I think my wife and I lost a $3000 hearing aid yesterday.

@RobertHarvey oh noes

Hopefully it's insured; my wife only thinks it's insured.

STCI Status: interview 47 / hiring 19 / work-environment 18 (this tag likely needs edits more than close votes)

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She was in the gym, having trouble with her ear. I put it in a zip pocket in her purse, but it had her readers in there as well, so apparently when she pulled the readers out, the hearing aid came out with it, which she didn't notice because she wasn't wearing the readers.

God, you work so hard to get things right financially, and in one fell swoop you get set back by months.

did you get back to gym to check if someone could have found it?

9:08 PM

She didn't open her purse until we got to the market.

Haven't heard from her this morning, so I'm pretty sure it's gone. Crossing my fingers for the insurance.

my mother in law lost a $1K hearing aid (not insured) last summer. For a while, I thought I am going to kill her

Not the first time, the one this one replaced was chewed up by her niece's dog. That one was only $600, but she needs the nuclear powered ones now.

user55340

My father's hearing aids pair with his iPhone. Rather neat with the controls.

@RobertHarvey that's a bummer. Even if you have insurance it's still a huge hassle...

user55340

Things like focusing the angle with an app or going to mono rather than stereo and turinning off input for one side.

user55340

9:16 PM

(Useful for restaurants where he is in a booth - tweak the input so both ears can hear it - even if pointing away from the source.

user15026

@MichaelT My dad's do that too! Also with the TV, he says.

user15026

(They have some sort of Smart TV, I know nothing about it.)

cv-pls duplicate. @gnat this might be a good time to re-cast: programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/87171/…

user55340

Possibly- though my parents don't have a tv.

2 jobs ago was hearing aid work. I know far too much about them now.

Q: How do you ascertain the quality of a potential employer's code before you take a position?

9:20 PM

@MichaelT Ewwww this needs some cleanup:

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In my experience before you start working for a company you have no opportunity to look at the code-base (I've asked and for reasons of confidentiality everyone has always said no, I think that is fair), so during the interview process what do you think are the most important questions to ask to ...

interview code-quality

We had to sign an NDA about the apple pairing stuff.

user55340

There are other things like putting a induction loopl around the area.

user15026

@RobertHarvey Hopefully it shows up or is insured.

user55340

hearingloop.org

user55340

Audio induction loop

Audio induction loop systems, also called audio-frequency induction loops (AFILs) or hearing loops, are an assistive listening technology for individuals with reduced ranges of hearing. A hearing loop consists of a physical loop of cable or an array of looped of cables which are placed around a designated area, usually a room or a building. The cable generates a magnetic field throughout the looped space which can be picked up by a hearing aid, Cochlear Implant (CI) processors, and specialized hand-held hearing loop receivers for individuals without telecoil compatible hearing aids. The loops carry...

user55340

9:23 PM

My father can hear in airports now - the pa goes directly to the hearing aid without the awful echo.

Good. I had that in a patent application that got tossed for prior art.

Dubious prior art, but still.

9:37 PM

What is the purpose for all this boilerplate?

namespace MyCompany.EmailProcessor.Handlers
{
    class AccountClosedEmailHandler : BaseEmailHandler, IEmailHandler
    {
        /// <summary>
        /// Initializes a new instance of the <see cref="AccountClosedEmailHandler"/> class.
        /// </summary>
        /// <param name="emailService">The email service.</param>
        public AccountClosedEmailHandler(IEmailService emailService) : base(emailService)
        {
            //nothing
        }

        /// <summary>
        /// Determines whether this instance can handle the specified data context.

There are fifty other classes just like this one.

Differing only in SomeTypeOfEmailHandler

Someone wants to be murdered?

Mostly I expect ignorance of even vaguely modern OO approaches.

I'm no OO savant by any means, but I think I could have handled all this in one class.

@Telastyn ^^^This

@RobertHarvey That would have been the correct way to do it

And, ugh, all the extra commenting that created, too.

It would explain a few things. Like why their code base is 4 gigabytes in size.

user15026

@MichaelT oh, that's neat. I didn't know that was a thing.

9:47 PM

there should be an explicit rule against writing "X does/is X" documentation

Any time you encode implicit information into the type itself, you have failed OO.

user55340

@Ixrec /** gets the xyz */

yes, kill all of those comments in a fire

@Ixrec Also, xml comments at all

well, we actually have useful comments in our XML schemas

9:50 PM

They do suck.

though must stuff is well-named and doesn't need any

most recently, "the rest of these properties are for backwards compatibility only and should not be used; adding them in the first place was a mistake"

The guy that wrote this is no longer here. I can imagine the people at NASA poring over the code I left behind, going "Who's the asshole that wrote this?"

It is tradition to hate everything that came before you. Dilbert says so.

for us it's more like "be vaguely dissatisfied with everything written more than a week ago"

Heh

9:54 PM

@RobertHarvey I say that frequently, and I've been the only developer for 2.5 years ;)

when I was slightly newer there were a few conversations between me and the more experienced guys where I said something like "except for this one thing we're talking about the codebase is pretty nice" and they'd go "I dunno, there's all this X in the Y and we don't have enough Zs" and I'm like "huh, I guess that'd be ever-so-slightly nicer"

For some arbitrary quantity of "ever so slightly."

Q: Optimizing a Java Brute-Force Password Cracker

Any reason why this was migrated to SO and not CR?

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I have not done much with Java lately, so I have forgotten some things. I am trying to build a brute-force password cracker in which the user enters a password of special characters / alphanumeric which has a progress bar (for if the last password combo is the password, the worst (or best) possib...

java

user41796

@SimonAndréForsberg Because SO is a standard migration target for Progs and CR is not a migration target.

user41796

I had pondered flagging it for CR, but my skimming of it didn't lead me to think it was fully on-topic for CR

10:05 PM

@GlenH7 Can't even moderators migrate to CR?

it's hard to tell, but the OP's wording seems to imply he's not finished yet, and is just throwing up half-done code to ask for optimizing tips before going farther

and CR definitely wants "finished" code

at least that's the only issue of CR topicality I can see in that post

Currently it's lacking just one close vote until it's closed on SO, which will lead to a migration rejection.

@SimonAndréForsberg they can. I for one didn't consider CR for I couldn't figure if question fits 5th of six-yes criteria: "To the best of my knowledge, does the code work as intended?"

user41796

@SimonAndréForsberg They can. But that's a custom flag vs. click-click-click done with voting. And I didn't think it met CR's site guidelines, so I wouldn't have flagged.

user41796

See, we're doing our best to not migrate crap to CR. :-D

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10:08 PM

still, it does feel far more like an unfinished CR question than it does an SO or a PSE question

so perhaps we should've used a custom close reason saying "this is better for CR but they require finished code, so post it there once you have code that you're confident works as intended"

@GlenH7 So now you're sending it to SO instead? Well, I guess what goes around comes around ;)

@Ixrec yeah that was my thinking, too. I voted unclear but probably forgot to comment asking OP to clarify whether their code works

user41796

@SimonAndréForsberg I figured it had a marginal chance of surviving on SO.

@Dukeling It is not entirely clear whether or not the code works as intended, the OP does say "Here's what I have so far". For now, I think this question might be best on SO. At least I don't think it's off-topic for SO. — Simon André Forsberg 8 secs ago

@GlenH7 Some times, SO is even more efficient at closing things than one thousand @gnat's.

user41796

The close votes on SO could be reflexive "Boo, hacker. No we won't help you."

10:18 PM

SO users does indeed tend to vote first, think later.

they do have a larger volume to contend with

Seems overly broad for this site. Maybe try programmers.stackexchange.com instead? — Brendan Hannemann 31 secs ago

10:39 PM

I'm jealous, whenever @Duga says anything to you folks, you can pretty much be sure that it's a crappy question. On CR we get all the edge-cases.

clearly we're not being mean enough in our counter-comments yet