well like I said: if game-rec will be allowed, I will simply ignore them and probably a lot of high rep users with me. The results? You loose about 50 experienced users giving their regular high quality answers. What value is left then for those questions?
@Ivo as I've said before, I think a lot of the strength of SE sites comes from the variety of different users with different experiences. Having some high-rep users ignoring one type of questions does not mean these questions will get poor answers.
you seem to imply that if people find a single piece of advice more important than others, or use it to make the decision, then they deserve their poor result
to me the entire point of an SE site is to avoid that situation
If I tell you: Go buy Azeroth rise of Perhentians, and you buy it based on my advice then I am not blameless here, just because you didn't check the game on n other sites
For reference Azeroth rise of Perhentians is the worst game I've ever played
@tzenes I feel like we're on a completely different page here. You assume many game-recs answers mentioning popular but inappropriate games will get highly-upvoted - I don't agree. I agree popularity will play a large role there but I also think people will downvote answer that mention inappropriate games even if they are popular. I might be wrong, of course, but that's what I think.
Consequently, if I understand you correctly, you perceive such wrongfully-upvoted answers as actively harmful to the site, because people will purchase games based on these advices and will be disappointed in their purchase, reflecting badly on us. Here I strongly disagree.
First, neither I nor anyone I know will make a game-purchase decision based on a single opinion online from some anonymous user, no matter how respected is the website in which it appears and how highly that website recommends it.
Second, because - and I guess we just see things differently here - I don't see game-recs as purchasing advice. I see them as "check out this game" advices. Similar, maybe, but in my eyes it's more about getting familiar with some game the asker have not heard about before.
Finally, if I see an answer recommending some game, then I check it out and become disappointed, I will not "blame the site", I will downvote the answer. That's the same thing for any answer on any SE site - if it's wrong it should be downvoted. Just because some random user upvoted it before does not make it right.
So what I take issue with is the point where you say "first." I think we disagree on a number of this fundamental issues here (especially on blaming sites), but that is a longer debate. What upsets me is that you seem to think its ok to give bad advice because people shouldn't be purchasing based on websites
@oak has a point that games due to their price are hardly bought on impulse, I don't go buying every software recommended on SU, simply because of the price
There is no way of weaseling out of that, we gave them bad advice and they followed it. Its our fault
@Ivo I don't think that's a fair statement. A lot of these game-recs are people saying: I'm looking for a game for my GF or my Son, or Friend, and the asker may or may not even play video games to begin with
@tzenes Well in the first place, as I said in the first paragraph, I don't think that game-recs will often result in a bad advice. My sentence above that you refer to is an appendix - saying that I see the purpose of these questions - like any other questions about products or services - is for the user to get to know them.
I think @tzenes makes a good point that a lot of these are people asking for games for a loved one, where they themselves might not play the games so they may be more likely to take our recommendation without much further investigation
"A lot of these game-recs are people saying: I'm looking for a game for my GF or my Son, or Friend, and the asker may or may not even play video games to begin with" - that is a fair point. These users are more susceptible to bad game-rec answers.
your statement isn't fair either: you assume that people follow the advise. Correlation isn't the same as causality. Just because they ended up following the advise, doesn't mean we were responsible
My (weak, not-really-trying-to-get-too-involved) stance is that game recs will end up on a bunch of people's "ignored tags" list, a bunch of other people will answer them, and nobody will really care six months from now.
I don't think that solves the issue though. So I ignore them, but other people are out-repping me by providing (possibly) bad answers to a game-rec by using popular titles?
@IvoFlipse I think that is completely irrelevant. I also think whether or not they should is also irrelevant. In either case we need to take responsibility for the fact that we are giving bad advice. That people will take that advice and they will make purchases
We have to take responsibility for bad advice, I consider anything else shirking from our duty
taking responsibility doesn't mean destroying the website @badp
but it does mean the occasional comment: warning this game is way off topic for this question
and possibly removing a question which is inherently harmful; which won't produce votes based on accuracy, but rather on popularity
Even in grey area we have a responsibility. That is the basis for the back it up principle, you can't just give people a subjective suggestion without provided more information
Hi,
In World of Warcraft, I have a lvl 67 human warlock and have just purchased Expert Riding.
Does this mean I can now purchase a flying mount from somewhere - and if so, where? It isn't offered by my trainer, which my previous mounts were.
For context, I have a Wrath of the Lich King acco...
> Liam has been given lessons in anger management and team work. He will now properly stay with his soldiers during "The Battle for Gilneas City" event.
> Both the Rope Ladder and Last Chance Yacht Boarding Mortar objects will now sparkle while on the quest "Life Savings". Now with more sparkles!
> It is no longer possible for an ill-mannered person of the opposing faction to one-shot a flight trainer in Stormwind or Orgrimmar, which in turn made the 500 players standing on top of the flight trainer with their mammoths really sad.
That's the best one
> There is no longer a School of Fish in Elwynn Forest that like to think of themselves as in "testing," nor do they yield Peacebloom when fished. This School of Fish is no longer a part of the counterculture and will no longer give you flowers when fished.
Like I said, whoever is writing these needs a raise.
@LessPopMoreFizz I also had a good laugh at the most recent sets of patch notes, they've been quite entertaining. Personally I find most of their CM team to be pretty witty.
I haven't bought cata yet... partly because I don't want to deal with the crowds, partly because my only server with a level 80 doesn't have any friends at that level anyway.
We could set 2 team:
The Game Recommendations Close Squad (GRCS) will close those question as soon as they are asked or reopened.
Then, the Game Recommendations Liberation League (GRLL) will reopen them as soon as they notify the question was closed.
That way, we will have a balanced policy...
I would be willing to bet that even after the diamonds are no longer magical (voted in by the community) the new (if they are) diamonds will still feel this way, or quickly come to agreeing with it.
(@GraceNote: I didn't say I was going to, I just said what if. :P)
Having a two-way conversation with an omnipotent moderator who replies by temporarily weaving replies into the content of the site in places where I'll run across them is...strange.
I enjoy a lot following starcraft 2 tournaments, both by downloading replays and by watching commentaries.
I noticed though that all tournaments are 1v1.
Is there any particular reason for not having non-1v1 tournaments?
I guess there might be some like:
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I feel like a bit of a jerk but there's something immensely satisfying about rolling out of my car exactly as it goes off a ramp, where it proceeds to go flying into a bad guy's vehicle and explode.
I decided to play this good old game again, Dungeon Keeper (the first).
But i have horrible lag in the game, it depends on a map i play, i think.
Now its also crashing after long games :/
I never had this problem before, ive played it on XP before, maybe its ATI card problem, hard to say.
So,...
and like...I'm not even bothering to progress, or even to explore all that much. I've spent 5 in-game hours on the exact same highway, stealing super-fast vehicles and crashing into things at max velocity
the only thing I'm disappointed in is that I apparently can't attach a person to the helicopter, although I can hook up a person in a vehicle to it
at least, when I do the hook comes off while I'm accelerating the helicopter, game probably inflicts damage on them due to dragging or something like that
Of course, I wonder why someone else couldn't just "submit" the same answer again. Isn't a withdrawal from the original poster effectively just one less vote?
I'm not against the mods removing it due to being unenforceable, but that's legitimizing it in an entirely different way.
@WillfulWizard i completely agree. I am against game-recs but think that just because the original submitter says he no longer agrees with his original suggestion shouldnt invalidate the votes of 50+ others
Geez, Strix can be harsh when he wants to be sometimes.
"I vote that this answer be discounted from the tallying at the end of all of this because it's such a disgracefully terrible option that essentially leaves us off EXACTLY where we have been already since the inception of this site. This isn't a solution at all; it's just nonsense."
However, the clarification in the top of the answer now makes it clear enough I think that it wasn't a result of the original poster "withdrawing", but rather the enforceability of it. The timing that it happened soon after the author of the answer withdrew will probably go unnoticed by many.
@kazzamalla Yeah, having re-read that, it seems they did take the un-enforcable path. I think I got confused by all the talk about the original poster here in chat.
You know, I just read it again myself and noticed this at the bottom
Unlocked - in case anyone wants to continue in comments. However, it will be locked if people attempt to rollback the original proposer's decision to withdraw this policy.
Anyone have a good faq/wiki on styling in chat? I was trying to get my quote above to be a block quote and couldn't find the right way to do it in my allotted 3 minutes.
@kazzamalla Gracenote has requested I point out to the chat room some recent comments he's made:
> In response to chat: Technically, I could've just suggested that the original poster just deleted the post (which he is completely free to do). I instead opted for this method because I wanted to explain it loud and clear why the policy is impossible to enforce. This is why, just as kazzamalla notes, the emphasis of the announcement (in bold) is that the policy cannot be enforced.
> We lack any other method of removing a dangerous policy suggestion - without the ability to use downvotes to indicate something that is downright negative, the only possible option is basically to remove the option from the running. However, deleting other people's suggestions is completely unfair.
> The essence of this is that the original proposer deleted the post, but without the ensuing flood of "Where did the big answer go!?!" Meta posts that would otherwise have resulted. The "no rollback" request is not unlike a "please do not undelete" request.
In the SNES game Secret of Mana, all the weapons seem to have 9 orbs, and thus 9 variations, except the Mana Sword. It doesn't seem possible to forge the Mana Sword more than 7 times, to get it to level 9. Is there a way to forge the 8th level sword, the Dragon Buster? And if so, what is the 9th ...
I love the music from some of the Nintendo Wii games, like A Boy and His Blob or Super Mario Galaxy. Is there any way to extract the music from these games digitally so I can listen to it on my computer? I know I could just hook my Wii up to my computer and record the music, but I'm looking for a...
I like to play Tiger Woods PGA Tour 10 for the Nintendo Wii with friends. I normally play using the "Play Now" option so that my friends can join in. However every time I finish a game, either 9 holes or 18, the reports at the end always say I earned no money and no skill points. How do you earn ...
@WillfulWizard @Grace Thanks for the clarification, I agree this was probably the best way to handle it. I still think it jeopardizes the democratic nature of the vote however since many of those voters who elected that option will not change their vote, although one might argue that the type of people who did not bother to check back on the clearly heated discussion of this topic might not be the type of people who's vote we care to count anyway.
With that knowledge, players who are forced to play on 4x3 monitors should force the ratio to 16x10 and deal with the black bars, despite things decreasing in size they'd probably like the results.
Hi!
We had a game in PC about 15 years ago, whose directory name was SPACE. All I remember about the game is that the main character was in space, and there were some scenes in the game. I can remember a scene were the character walks (or runs?) in a way, and suddenly two creatures (can't rememb...
I am specifically interested in countering 6pool early rush as Protoss but you can include other races too.
Hi,
In World of Warcraft, I have a lvl 67 human warlock and have just purchased Expert Riding.
Does this mean I can now purchase a flying mount from somewhere - and if so, where? It isn't offered by my trainer, which my previous mounts were.
For context, I have a Wrath of the Lich King acco...
We could set 2 team:
The Game Recommendations Close Squad (GRCS) will close those question as soon as they are asked or reopened.
Then, the Game Recommendations Liberation League (GRLL) will reopen them as soon as they notify the question was closed.
That way, we will have a balanced policy...
I enjoy a lot following starcraft 2 tournaments, both by downloading replays and by watching commentaries.
I noticed though that all tournaments are 1v1.
Is there any particular reason for not having non-1v1 tournaments?
I guess there might be some like:
hard to follow action
problem...
Below is what it looks like on the actual post, which is normal font. This is also how it will render in the post preview.
Below is what it looks like in the revisions list, which is pixelated font. This is also the case for timeline view, but it is identical so one immage suffices.
I thoug...
I decided to play this good old game again, Dungeon Keeper (the first).
But i have horrible lag in the game, it depends on a map i play, i think.
Now its also crashing after long games :/
I never had this problem before, ive played it on XP before, maybe its ATI card problem, hard to say.
So,...
Jin has said we're lanuching in 45 mins!
3pm EST, when we always launch our sites during the day
