The Pantheon

2:57 AM

@durron597 It does contradict my answer but ..

from the same source you provided,

> She has in heaven a dwelling which is called Folkvang, and when she rides to the battle, one half of the slain belong to her, and the other half to Odin.

durron597

4:29 AM

@EroSɘnnin Yeah I really didn't feel good about it, that's why I didn't want to post it even as a comment

Ero Sɘnnin

4:41 AM

I wonder where they got the text source from

@Yannis cuartmuseum.colorado.edu/collection.bak/classics/greekvases/…

> "On the orthostats at Neo-Hittite sites, the Chimaera had no narrative context and served only to ward off evil, but in Greek myth the beast was to be conquered by a hero"

Ero Sɘnnin

5:06 AM

@durron597 what's your say on this? mythology.stackexchange.com/questions/611/…

durron597

5:22 AM

@EroSɘnnin It's a poorly researched, lazy, technically on topic question

-7 but remains open is about right

Ero Sɘnnin

agreed

durron597

However, you should read this conversation from earlier

8 hours ago, by Yannis

Not only they don't want non members to discuss the subject matter, but they've also told us repeatedly that what we non operating thetans think we know about the subject matter is false.

Ero Sɘnnin

aye

right now, its in the Low Quality posts queue

durron597

@EroSɘnnin I might've clicked skip.

Ero Sɘnnin

I'm thinking of doing the same

durron597

5:27 AM

Another way to go (besides the reasoning of "they don't want non members to be discussing it") is to just ban aliens.

I sort of want to discuss this with CMs

When Programmers stack exchange first started, they accepted career and education based questions.

Then, the workplace came into being, and they decided to cut it down to a limited subset of career based question

and since then, it's been just a gigantic mess.

Ero Sɘnnin

I'm not so sure about the banning part. There are a few mythos which claims that the gods were kinda ET

durron597

Finally a few months ago we decided to stop trying to allow the limited subset and just nuke the entire set of categories.

Ero Sɘnnin

Oh

durron597

I feel like keeping scientology will just end the same way

We'll try to keep it now because technically it is a mythos

But eventually it will turn into a mess and we'll have to kill it anyway

Ero Sɘnnin

I wasn't aware of those incidents (I'm very new to SE)

@durron597 Yeah :/

durron597

5:31 AM

Eh, you'd have to be pretty intimately involved in programmers to know about it.

ServerFault had an even bigger mess with web hosting control panels

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Q: Burninate and blacklist request: [career-*] [job-*] [resume]

This is not a duplicate of this: Usefulness of [career-development] and [career-transition] tags ... it's time for them to be blacklisted. The narrowness of scope of what actually would be on topic here is so narrow that it's pretty much invisible. All it does is invite off topic posts. We absol...

35

A: Abrupt change in moderation staff?

Since HopelessN00b wants to have this discussion in public, I will oblige. I was on the site today because we got a few different emails this past week about it. One was Chris S, stepping down as a moderator - I'll let him talk about that if he wishes to; moderators are volunteers, and are of c...

ServerFault's mess was really bad because HopelessN00b did it without going to meta first.

And he basically closed hundreds (thousands?) of questions unilaterally

Ero Sɘnnin

ouch

durron597

Programmers is doing it as a community, rather than just one moderator:

15

Q: Structured Tag Cleanup Initiative Phase II

Back in 2012, we launched the Structured Tag Cleanup Initiative (STCI). It was very successful in identifying tags to create, merge, remove, and blacklist. However, it has been about 3 years since this effort was launched, and I think that it's time to relaunch this campaign. The process will be...

discussion featured stci stci-phase2

Ero Sɘnnin

Without discussion?

durron597

well, there apparently was some discussion, but it was done in a slack chatroom or an irc chatroom or something

there had been some posts about it in meta but they were months old

Ero Sɘnnin

I don't think we'll have such a problem

durron597

5:36 AM

This is why I've been ranting about it in chat rather than doing something about it. First of all, I'm not a moderator and who knows, I might not get chosen.

Secondly, even if no one does anything for a month, the site is still tiny and won't be as hard to fix as years of bad questions like on programmers.

I've been working really hard playing janitor in programmers and I'm definitely going through at least three years of questions that are now off topic.

So if nothing happens with Scientology until, like, July, it's okay

Thirdly, the highest voted meta answer about scientology has 13 upvotes.

Ero Sɘnnin

@durron597 You're most likely to be a mod

durron597

I think we need some time to go by before we do anything.

Ero Sɘnnin

IMO public beta will give us a clear approach

durron597

@EroSɘnnin Perhaps. I'm only in 3rd place right now and El'endiaStarman is right behind me, and has a diamond on another stack

Ero Sɘnnin

I forgot about that meta post. Lemme take a quick peek

durron597

5:40 AM

I think the best thing to do right now is just ask good questions, give quality answers, let the site go into public beta and let it play out. -7 votes on both of those scientology questions gives a pretty clear sign what will happen next, I think.

That's why I'm not fretting too hard about the abrahamic-religions issue or the greek vs ancient-greek issue.

I do want this synonym to get approved soon, though

The synonym?

Because there's no controversy and it ought to be cleaned up

I am interested in keeping these things neat and tidy, but I also understand when I need to be patient about it :-P

Ero Sɘnnin

Whups

I read it as I don't want ..

durron597

Anywho, it's almost 1 AM here. Time for sleep. Take care :)

Ero Sɘnnin

:P

durron597

@EroSɘnnin Oh, lol. Nah, I proposed it, why wouldn't I want it approved? :)

mythology.stackexchange.com/tags/synonyms

Ero Sɘnnin

@durron597 Good night :) It's 11AM here and I have a feeling that today will be kinda boring

@durron597 My bad

durron597

5:46 AM

@EroSɘnnin I think so too. I wish I knew more about other mythologies besides greek so I could also more kinds of questions.

Ero Sɘnnin

I really need to put on my glasses

durron597

Hopefully being active in this stack will give me cause to read some arthurian, norse, etc. stuff. It's been on my bucket list for years

Ero Sɘnnin

@durron597 Same :)

durron597

Anyways, gn, take it easy

Ero Sɘnnin

@durron597 I have some resources for norse mytho if you want

gn, tc :)

El'endia Starman

6:04 AM

@durron597 I honestly really hope that both of us will be made mods. I think we'd work together pretty well. Plus Yannis, of course. :P

Ero Sɘnnin

Can't a beta stack have 4 mods? :P

El'endia Starman

6:29 AM

@EroSɘnnin Christianity.SE got an unprecedented five pro-tem mods.

In large part because this was the first religious SE 2.0 site to go through beta, and Christianity is a very broad classification with many contentious elements...

Ero Sɘnnin

@El'endiaStarman Woah. I really hope we the top 5 noms as our mods ^_^

El'endia Starman

But yes, it would be cool for Myth.SE to get four mods. I'm not sure if it's necessary though.

Ero Sɘnnin

That, I agree

But we can only tell after public starts

El'endia Starman

yeah

Docteur

9:20 AM

Hey, quick question : I've noticed that priviledges linked to rep are gained extremely quickly in beta. What happens when the site goes public? Do they vanish? Do they scale?

naltipar

9:48 AM

@Docteur

69

Q: Reputation requirements compared

How do reputation requirements for various privileges compare on Stack Overflow vs a graduated Stack Exchange 2.0 site vs a site in public or private beta? Return to FAQ Index

discussion faq reputation privileges

Docteur

9:59 AM

Thank you!

Yannis

3:48 PM

0

Q: Are there any ancient myths about adventuring parties?

Role playing games are usually focused on a relatively small and party of adventurers, that come together to achieve a common goal. More often than not each member's motivation for joining the party is unique; some join for honour, some for solidarity, some for gold and others simply because they...

myth-identification mythopoeia

Too broad?

Ixrec

probably

I assume the Trojan War and the Argonauts would be considered too big?

Yannis

The Trojan War is a war, not a party of adventurers. The Argonauts is my self-answer ;)

I've limited the question to ancient (~ before the middle ages) myths, and I think I've given a pretty specific definition of adventuring party. It does feel a bit broad, though, and I'd welcome ideas on narrowing it down.

Ixrec

after thinking about it for a minute I'm still feeling pretty neutral/undecided on that one

I'm tempted to say the most pressing issue is you've created mythopoeia

Yannis

I wasn't sure about it either, just couldn't think of something better for a second tag.

Ixrec

4:03 PM

imo questions with only one tag are fine

usually multi-tag questions are better, but that's just (correctly) indicating that this one is potentially too broad

Yannis

Some are fine. But in some instances, not being able to think of a second tag is a strong hint that the question may be too broad for SE.

Ixrec

the classic PSE example would be an algorithms question with no other tags (and imo language-agnostic is kind of a "cop-out" second tag)

Ixrec

5:19 PM

Scope discussion spreadsheet

if I got anything wrong, missed something useful, or you're knowledgeable enough to fill in/remove some of those question marks, please make an edit (I believe I set it so anyone with the link can edit)

El'endia Starman

6:19 PM

@Ixrec Pinned! I really like this idea.

Ixrec

@El'endiaStarman thanks!

El'endia Starman

6:37 PM

Alright, did a bunch of conditional formatting.

b_jonas

7:17 PM

What is the [mythopoeia] tag supposed to mean?

El'endia Starman

.....@Yannis! [poke] Someone's wondering what mythopoeia is supposed to mean!

b_jonas

What's the tag for Beowulf?

It's on topic, isn't it?

Ixrec

7:35 PM

assuming we want the tag at all (and I read the definition correctly), fictional-mythologies would be more self-evident

@b_jonas uh...anglo-saxon I guess?

don't think we have any existing tags which fit it

b_jonas

@Ixrec ok. Oh, that reminds me, what's the tag for the Kalevala then?

Ixrec

no idea

b_jonas

Someone should try to ask good questions about those.

Ixrec

I guess karelian or finnish would work for now, though the former I'd never heard of before so it might need a tag wiki

b_jonas

I wonder if simply [beowulf] and [kalevala] could work.

Ixrec

7:43 PM

@b_jonas agreed

it might, though that does risk making tags that are a bit too narrow

we won't know for sure until we're public for a while, but I've been assuming we want to stick to tagging at the country/religion level rather than the book/scroll/tablet level

b_jonas

Perhaps, but the Beowulf is sort of unique. It's not likely that we'd find other written poetry from that age.

Whereas for Roman myths, there are multiple written sources complementing each other.

Ixrec

good point

feel free to use beowulf for now, we can always change things later when we have enough questions for it to actually matter

btw, the syntax to get that tag style is "tag:beowulf" in [] rather than ""

b_jonas

How does tag creation work on a beta site? Can anyone create a tag, regardless of reputation?

I don't have a good question yet, but might try to take a stab later.

Ixrec

I believe so, I was able to create the pastafarianism tag despite having essentially no rep

20

A: Reputation requirements compared

Alternatively, see reputation tables for Stack Overflow, Server Fault, Super User, a launched SE 2.0 site, a public beta site. And Meta Stack Exchange. Main sites Action Priv ß Public ß Golden SO ────────────────────────────────────────────────...

yep, create new tags is 1 for private beta, 150 for public beta

b_jonas

Thanks.

b_jonas

8:10 PM

I'll ask this on Meta too, maybe it will inspire people to ask questions.

The gods discuss...

8:36 PM

0

Q: What tag to use for questions about the Beowulf epic, or about the Kalevala?

What tag should we use for questions about the Beowulf epic, or about the Kalevala? There appear to be no such questions yet, but I hope somebody will try to ask good ones soon. Suggestions from chat are: anglo-saxon or beowulf; and karelian or finnish respectively.

discussion tags

Ixrec

8:48 PM

"Are elves born on the moon?" sounded like a troll question at first

HDE 226868

9:42 PM

I can see off topic close votes coming in, but "unclear"? Really?

-7

Q: Why did Overlord Xenu kill billions of people 75 million years ago?

On the Wikipedia page we can read that Galactic Overlord Xenu brought billions of his people (Teegeeack) to Earth in a DC-8-like spacecraft, stacked them around volcanoes, and killed them with hydrogen bombs. Why did he decide to kill billions of his people? And secondly, if he wanted them dead,...

scientology extraterrestrials

naltipar

It actually is

HDE 226868

@naltipar How so (I'm trying to decide on a potential close reason, which is why I posed the question)?

Ixrec

seems pretty clear to me, though it's at least two questions and they're probably both answered by skimming the Xenu wikipedia page

naltipar

"Why did he decide to kill billions of his people?" It's not an unclear question, but "I wouldn't believe wiki" is

durron597

@HDE226868 I agree, the only one I can think of would be off topic, but it isn't right now.

It should be off topic because we are uninitiated thetans and scientologists have called all the published stories lies.

Ixrec

9:47 PM

@durron597 for the record I am totally okay with making scientology off-topic for this specific reason, assuming we have a fresh meta discussion first

@naltipar you mean it's unclear because he doesn't explain why he believes only part of wikipedia article? that seems like a good custom close reason

durron597

Do we have to wait to actually receive a C&D though?

Ixrec

why would a C&D matter? if everything we know is wrong then it's wrong

HDE 226868

@durron If we don't wait for an actual reason, then he can complain that there hasn't been a formal discussion in which we've definitively found Scientology off-topic.

naltipar

Yes, @Ixrec

HDE 226868

Can I vtc this for lack of research?

Ixrec

9:50 PM

I don't think so, lack of research is the canonical example of when to downvote but not close vote

durron597

I mean, how many people in this chatroom have upvoted Ixrec's answer?

I mean, heck, @Ixrec, you could just delete your answer.

Ixrec

that would make what's left highly misleading

since no one was aware of this issue at the time it'd be better to make a new post and leave comments on the old one noting that it's out of date

HDE 226868

It seems unethical.

Ixrec

and, my original scientology answer was intended to be significantly broader than just scientology; I believe it's still a correct answer in the more general case

durron597

shrug. My thoughts about this haven't changed since my conversation with @EroSɘnnin yesterday.

Also, if we're going to go the "they don't want us talking about it route", I think @Yannis should write the post because it was his idea originally.

Ixrec

9:54 PM

there's a difference between "they don't want us talking about it" and "everything we know about it is wrong"; I'd support the latter

naltipar

true

Ixrec

@HDE226868 since it got a bit confusing back there, which comment were you referring to?

HDE 226868

@Ixrec chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/21565639#21565639

durron597

You could edit your post to say "stories are ok but doctrines are not, however, in the case of scientology all the stories we know have been declared false by official scientology sources"

Ixrec

true, an edit might be better than a comment

I still think this should be a new meta post though

it might be just us chat users that are aware of the issue

durron597

9:57 PM

And all the people who are voting down the scientology questions.

And voting to close them as unclear for some reason.

Ixrec

as discussed yesterday, that probably has more to do with them being bad/lazy questions, not them being scientology questions

perhaps I should go ask a good scientology question at some point

HDE 226868

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Q: How does the Scientological creation myth describe the rebirth of humankind following Xenu's hydrogen bombing?

I don't know much about Scientology, but I hear that their version of cosmogony involves Xenu bringing a large number of humans to Earth from somewhere-or-the-other (some millions of years ago), and then killing them all with hydrogen bombs. How does the myth describe the "rebirth" of the human...

scientology

Ixrec

never mind then

Ixrec

10:11 PM

@durron597 Do you have a source where the Church of Scientology states the leaked version of the Xenu story to be false? I'm reading more about what information is officially published and how all the leaks/controversies went down and I'm not seeing any mention of such a denial

Yannis

10:24 PM

@El'endiaStarman Killed the tag. Turned out to be more confusing than helpful, and wasn't essential to the question anyway.

durron597

@Ixrec en.wikinews.org/wiki/ABC_News_yanks_20/…

Yannis

@HDE226868 That's my "unclear" vote there. I don't see anything in the question text that explains why the question isn't sufficiently answered in the linked wikipedia article.

Ixrec

@durron597 I see censorship/suppression but I'm not seeing a denial; did I miss something?

durron597

@Ixrec I haven't found it yet either.

@Yannis do you have a source for the denial?

Yannis

What denial? I'm still catching up with the transcript...

durron597

10:27 PM

16 mins ago, by Ixrec

@durron597 Do you have a source where the Church of Scientology states the leaked version of the Xenu story to be false? I'm reading more about what information is officially published and how all the leaks/controversies went down and I'm not seeing any mention of such a denial

Ixrec

I did find theregister.co.uk/2009/03/16/scientology_xenu_confirmation from 2009 which claims a "Scientology spokesman" "at first denied the story" and then later "admitted that the story is authentic, albeit confidential and restricted"

Yannis

Xenu

Xenu (/ˈziːnuː/), also called Xemu, was, according to Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard, the dictator of the "Galactic Confederacy" who 75 million years ago brought billions of his people to Earth (then known as "Teegeeack") in a DC-8-like spacecraft, stacked them around volcanoes, and killed them with hydrogen bombs. Official Scientology scriptures hold that the thetans (immortal spirits) of these aliens adhere to humans, causing spiritual harm. These events are known within Scientology as "Incident II", and the traumatic memories associated with them as "The Wall of Fire" or "R6 implant". The...

> Scientology, it has been reported, teaches that 75 million years ago the evil alien Xenu solved galactic overpopulation by dumping 13\u22195 trillion beings in volcanoes on Earth, where they were vaporised, scattering their souls.

> John Carmichael, the president of the Church of Scientology of New York, told me, 'That's not what we believe.' He refused to discuss the church's esoteric teachings, though he did claim that Scientology's beliefs about the origins of the universe and mankind 'follow the much older tradition of Eastern religion dating back to the Vedic hymns'

telegraph.co.uk/culture/3667812/Friends-thetans-countrymen.html

Although, that article is before Wikileaks leaked the OT documents.

Ixrec

2007, yeah

so they've definitely denied it at least a few times but it seems not completely consistently

and it sounds like the motivation is more about suppressing the stories so we don't kill ourselves by experiencing the revelations of OT III before we're spiritually prepared for them

Yannis

Anyhow, I'm not entirely sure we should declare Scientology off topic. Sure, kenorb's questions suck, but... it's not like his other topic questions are stellar...

And the other scientology question we have is good:

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Q: How does the Scientological creation myth describe the rebirth of humankind following Xenu's hydrogen bombing?

I don't know much about Scientology, but I hear that their version of cosmogony involves Xenu bringing a large number of humans to Earth from somewhere-or-the-other (some millions of years ago), and then killing them all with hydrogen bombs. How does the myth describe the "rebirth" of the human...

scientology

Ixrec

yes, upon further research it seems like we cannot claim "everything we know about Scientology is wrong", so I wouldn't support making it off-topic either

Yannis

10:39 PM

It's not that it's wrong, it's that we don't know if it's right, and it's highly unlikely that we'll get an OT3 to verify it for us.

I'm pretty sure I can composed answers to all three questions from the leaked documents (although trying to read Hubbard's handwriting isn't a task I'm willing to put myself through), but... what's the point? I'm not an expert, and there's no chance actual experts will ever verify the correctness of my answers. Sure, I might get an upvote or two, but how do I know if my answers are correct or complete nonsense?

durron597

@Yannis I agree

Yannis

10:59 PM

@durron597 I predict will be public by Tuesday.

HDE 226868

11:09 PM

@Yannis I'll do you one better and say Monday.

Yannis

Tuesday is our two weeks anniversary. Also, Tuesdays are, traditionally, when private betas launch. It makes more sense than Monday. That said, I'd prefer Monday.

durron597

11:24 PM

@Yannis I certainly hope so.

Yannis

> You've reached the maximum of 6 Deletion votes per day; come back in 27 minutes

Oh, I will.

durron597

11:45 PM

@Yannis Bah. I need to get to 2k

Yannis

I've already found where my next 6 delete votes will go... It's time I get back the rep I lost for downvoting unsourced answers.

HDE 226868