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Q: Is chirality a physical or chemical property

Matthieu KratzHeyo, I was wondering whether one would consider chirality a physical or chemical property. In my opinion it should be both, because it will affect the way in which plane polarized light is interacted with (physical) but also affect chemical interactions such as receptor binding. On the other han...

 
ADG
10:33 AM
 
 
2 hours later…
12:05 PM
hi @MARamezani cn I get your view on something?
 
@santiago No, but hullo!
(That means yes)
 
did I explain it correctly?
 
Ah, I reckon you're right,
but I always thought this is better explained with work.
 
hmmm
my answer is not complete
 
@santiago It took that long to find that out?
 
12:14 PM
might delete it
 
ADG
hello
@santiago hello
 
hi
 
@ADG Hullo!
 
ADG
I recently saw you following me
but you didn't reply
any special cause?
 
Following?
 
ADG
12:19 PM
not really.
santiago
I just saw him twice or thrice in some chatrooms same as me
 
wasn't actually following you
 
ADG
yes
I know
what do you think?
about that?
@MARamezani you have many things pinned
 
@ADG For now, of course.
 
ADG
What is anisole+HBr?
 
@ADG coincidence
 
ADG
12:23 PM
@santiago are you mad. sorry
 
nope
 
ADG
please stop spamming the question
 
trying to save an answer I wrote
@ADG excuse me?
 
@ADG Mad? MAD? The guy can't get mad. It violates physics.
 
ADG
i'm in no mood of joking
 
12:25 PM
@ADG Why not?
 
ADG
@MARamezani vrey bad joke
 
@ADG For you of course.
How do you know it was supposed to be a joke?
 
what are you talking about?
 
ADG
nvm language problem then
 
OK, listen guys.
Some language barrier ended up in a fight the other day in ELL's chat.
 
12:26 PM
I am completely lost...
 
@santiago No. You're just right there.
BTW, as I was saying, as the room owner, I'll kick-mute anyone who looks for trouble here.
 
seriously, I am not sure at all as to what I have supposed to have 'spammed'
 
@ADG spamming the question is a terrible joke.
 
ADG
@MARamezani oh I may not have the proper words there (I'm not a first tounge english speaker)
@MARamezani that's very threatening :(
 
@ADG Me neither.
@ADG No, I'm just saying.
 
12:29 PM
well, I am going to stop trying to fix my latest answer and delete it...
 
I know how it can easily end up being a fight.
@santiago Usually when Dave's answers aren't good, he deletes them and reposts them edited.
 
@MARamezani am not going to bother
 
@santiago Why not?
 
ADG
simple question anisole+HBr, if you don't know the answer say "IDK" otherwise write the name (as you wish IUPAC or common).
 
I am still lost as to what I have supposed to have 'spammed'
 
ADG
12:32 PM
@santiago nvm
nvm
NVM
@hello @MadScientist
 
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Q: Increase in Potential Energy When Bonds Are Broken

stygianWhy is it that the potential energy of a system increases when its bonds are broken? (I.e. when a solid turns into a liquid.) I thought the potential energy of the system was mostly contained in these bonds? If these bonds are broken, then why does the system’s potential energy increase?

Ah, this rises from the "bond-box" misunderstanding.
 
I think I know what is missing frm my answer.... vapor pressure
 
@santiago Hmm...
 
@MARamezani nah, there is more to it, and I am not going to put any more effort into it, only to have it downvoted etc
 
@santiago Downvoted? What is this? Physics.SE?
 
12:41 PM
heh, on eof my answers on Physics is at +27
 
@santiago You only have one answer there.
Oh, wait. The harshest community isn't physics.SE.
 
and I am still concerned about some (even one of) of my contributions seen as spam
 
It's ELU.
 
@MARamezani I have 3 answers there
 
@santiago YOU SPAMMER!
 
12:43 PM
apparently
 
@santiago Whatever! You think I'm feeling like taking a look at your profile?
 
probably not
 
@santiago Wouldn't have taken it seriously if I were you. Maybe ADG wasn't well-aware of what spam meant.
And what being a spammer meant.
 
ADG
he is correct
 
I see
alright, I have fixed my answer, and undeleted it...
well, it is as good as it is ever going to gt
 
1:00 PM
That graph is charming.
 
pictures are good
 
@santiago Playful.
I'm gonna learn TeX, once and for all.
 
don't know about that
I am going to check and double check my contributions, particularly the comments - to be sure
 
(Of course, to understand why @Martin always says MathJax != LaTeX)
@santiago Spammer!
 
that's what I am checking for
 
ADG
1:03 PM
@MARamezani If I were the moderator here ....
 
@ADG Then we all would've been doomed?
I'm no mod, BTW.
Being a room owner doesn't even begin to match having a mod hammer.
 
ADG
then who did starred these ------------------------------------------------------------->
start your chatjaxex
 
don't have that
 
ADG
$ \rm MathJax \subset\LaTeX$
 
I know.
That's to avoid harmful code being rendered.
@ADG Me. I didn't say the room owner has their hands tied behind their back.
 
ADG
1:08 PM
I write on bananas.
 
I have checked my comments....
 
ADG
Why don't you make links like:
 
only 1 obsolete one that I have removed, but can not see anything bad
 
ADG
[Site Design](blaBla.com) | [Latex](blaBla.com)[with mchem](Vaav.com) | ...
it would save space @MARamezani
 
@ADG I rather stay on Earth.
Don't wanna play with them.
Pin them once, unpin them once.
 
ADG
1:11 PM
Let me do it for you, make me a mod for a second/i mean a little while, if you're lazy
 
still very lost and perplexed
 
ADG
@santiago hw does this reply relate to anything
 
I was referring to what was said before
 
ADG
Ok just unpin everything and pin this what I'm going to write:
@MARamezani ??
 
Oh, where was I? Oh, well, I don't think it's gonna be necessary. I'm gonna unpin them tomorrow anyways.
@ADG A star should do.
 
ADG
1:18 PM
It would take a millisecond
 
what the???
 
ADG
@santiago abusive
 
@santiago What the what the?
 
ADG
are you people trolling trollers?
 
@ADG What the?
 
1:21 PM
@ADG don't assume
 
@ADG Wait a sec. What is that awful amount of nonsensical starring?
 
I was referring to the 5 insignificant messages I wrote being on the star wall
 
That's done.
Hullo @Richard!
 
@MARamezani - You rang?
I've brought my hammer.
 
@Richard Nah.
Everything is under control here, I assume.
@Richard Got my toy hammer ready though.
@santiago was called (mistakenly) a spammer.
 
1:24 PM
user image
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OMG - I jsut 'what the' in response to 5 unimportant messages I had written being on the star wall - nothing else
 
We were getting into an altercation.
 
@MARamezani - I see... * Narrows eyes *
 
Hopefully, it's resolved.
 
I've never been in here before.
 
1:25 PM
@MARamezani no altercation from me - just utter confusion
 
@Richard Maybe because we're good boys?
@santiago I'd say we pass.
 
My favourite element is mercury if that helps me fit in.
 
@Richard Aaah, don't kill me!
 
I think I best stay away from chat...
 
@Richard I've never had a favorite element though.
@santiago Didn't need to!
(Poor santiago. He was scared)
 
1:27 PM
I'll let you get back to it.
Have fun, science dudes.
 
Tatta!
 
ADG
this just reflects your personality nothing else. I am thus very disappointed by you being a mod ye t being so childish.
 
I am not keen on saying anything, just in case I am misinterpreted and flagged again
 
@santiago Flagged?
@ADG Ah, sorry. Didn't realize you weren't in the mood.
 
1:42 PM
flagged in chat, hence why Richard (moderator) turned up
 
At least, I'm not calling people names.
@santiago Nah, don't think so.
He just came in and hanged.
I mean hanged as in stayed for some minutes.
31 messages moved to Trash
That should do it.
Guys, I see this room as a place for getting some rest from the outside trash of the world.
 
ADG
I crush candies
in my backyard
 
For?
 
ADG
so that i can sell them and get more bananas
and then write on them
breaking news: #iwriteonbananas
 
rightio
 
ADG
1:48 PM
let's play a game
@MARamezani first change Haikus are awesome / Chemistry is more so / pull up a chair to something good
 
@ADG Dunno. I have to have Lord's allowance first.
 
ADG
@MARamezani which Lord? LordStryker?
 
@ADG The almighty disappeared tear-shedding @Lordstryker
 
ADG
solve this first $$\int_0^1x^3{\rm d}x$$
 
@ADG Sheesh. Never liked integrals.
 
ADG
1:52 PM
Solve:
$$3x+2=7$$
really?
 
@ADG Sheesh. Never liked equations.
 
ADG
really
 
REAALLY...
 
ADG
bye then
 
See ya.
 
2:27 PM
hi
 
Hullo!
Hullo @ManishEarth!
 
How're you doing?
 
2:57 PM
@Manish I was wondering if you'd mind doing a favor for me.
 
3:21 PM
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Q: Proportion of gases filled in cylinder of sea-divers

FreddyIn my book it is given that earlier cylinder were filled with 2% oxygen and 98% helium. Nowadays it is filled with 11.7% helium, 56.2% nitrogen and 32.1% oxygen. There are few questions which come up in my mind Earlier 2% oxygen is changed to 32%. So was 2% oxygen enough for huaman? 98% helium...

 
@Freddy Feel better now?
@Freddy I know the answer, I think.
 
@MARamezani Go to answer box and type it as fast as u can
 
@Freddy Like in 5644 hours?
 
can't you make it seconds @MARamezani
thanks for vote up :)
 
@Freddy BTW it has a biological reason.
Let me get ready for the answer.
I'll ping you then we flag for migration.
 
3:26 PM
@MARamezani I am kinda more interested in chemistry part, but u are right
 
@Freddy I'll try to make it as chemistry as possible.
 
@MARamezani That would be great! :)
 
ADG
3:41 PM
@Freddy solved it
 
@ADG Wait a sec! Hint? That's just the answer!
@ADG BTW let's just make some answers a little bit longer okay?
 
bended it ?
 
Huh?
 
@MARamezani hmm?
sure
 
@ManishEarth Can you check if a user is downvoting way more than they used to be?
Even if they're not downvoting a single person?
 
3:52 PM
@MARamezani sure
 
ADG
@MARamezani maybe he won't for you
Oh yes?
why?
 
@ManishEarth Martin and Ron got some random downvotes for no good reason.
 
ADG
@ManishEarth your name matches with my brother's (cousing)
 
@MARamezani ah
 
@MARamezani nitrogen bends ...i was trying to be puny or something XD
 
3:52 PM
I got 1 too, but I'm not complaining.... :}
@Manish Ron was angry the other day for no good reason provided for the downvotes.
It was scary....
 
link?
 
ADG
No, basically. Add a comment saying that you'd like comments with downvotes - that's about all you can do.

It's a pain, but there's no way to force someone to leave a meaningful comment.
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Q: Can I tell who downvoted one of my answers?

robsoft Possible Duplicate: See Who is Upvoting/ Downvoting My Question/Answer I've got a particular answer that got downvoted a couple of times, for reasons I don't understand. I'm not particularly concerned about the odd point of rep (though for us low-rung ladder people, it all counts!), bu...

 
@ADG I've seen thousands of those posts
And they're right.
Even Manish answered some of the downvoted ones.
@Manish there's one here:
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A: What is the hybridization of the carbonyl oxygen in a carboxylic acid?

MartinI already pointed it out in the comments, but I believe it is time to give it some more thought and explanation. Let's deal with some conceptual issues first. Hybridisation is a model, that can be used to describe a bonding situation. It is never cause for a certain geometric arrangement, it is ...

 
I don't see anything untoward in the tools
thanks though, I'll keep an eye on it
 
I think if you check their profile, you might reach something.
Maybe someone's taking a revenge on them for being in this comment.
This feels very rewarding for me as a regular contributor to this site. I think that a big applause for the "core" contributors is well deserved, especially Ron, Martin and Klaus (and many others of course!) — Jori yesterday
 
3:59 PM
Yeah, looked at their profile, I only see a couple of downvotes, and the tools don't show any patterns
 
@ManishEarth That's sad.... The guy's very....
 
@MARamezani if you're uncomfortable about talking about this in public you can shoot me an email at myusername@gmail
with the exact details
 
@ManishEarth I can't make false accusations.
 
you can say your suspicions in private, and I'll verify them
 
Okay.
 
 
1 hour later…
5:03 PM
hey @ron you know about phase diagrams ?
 
ron
not much
but what's the question?
 
i am just gonna ask , you can just ignore it if you dunno
an triple state of water really have some unique spectroscopic signature ? isnt the point just a dynamic equilibrium between three states. There is no 1 particular state at the point is there ?
 
ron
That's right, 3 states in equilibrium. I saw that q yesterday, was that yours? I thought it was an interesting question. I suspect that (for instance) the ir spectrum of water changes as a function of temp, pressure, etc. So I might guess that the ir at the triple point would be slightly different than the ir at some other T,P
 
ADG
@ron hello
 
ron
hhi @ADG!
 
ADG
5:15 PM
@ron are you an organic chemist
 
ron
I will always be an organic chemist
 
ADG
@ron would you help me?
@ron how much time you are on9 for from now?
 
ron
what's your question?
 
ADG
what is anisole + hbr
 
ron
so anisole is a strong o,p director, HBr means we're doing elecetrophilic aromatic substitution, so first guess would be o and p-bromoanisole
 
ADG
5:19 PM
@ron no it's not the answer
@ron i thought something along these lines too
 
ron
what is the answer, phenol?
 
ADG
yes
how?
 
phenol + CH3Br ?
 
ADG
yes
how?
 
ron
5:21 PM
see this recent q
6
A: Aromatic ether to phenol reagents

ronBoron tribromide is a standard reagent for cleaving aryl methyl ethers to the corresponding phenol. It is a general method and can be used in aromatic methyl ethers with sensitive substituents where acid or base cannot be tolerated. The above Wiki link also shows the following mechanism 1) comp...

 
ADG
stupid me
forgot that anisole is an ether :(
 
ron
no, no one here is stupid
 
ADG
if som1 asked ether +Hbr then I could do that
 
ron
there's always multiple possibilities, often more context is needed to get the correct answer
 
ADG
@ron another EtBr+alcoholic Silver nitrile. I thought ethyl nitrile
 
ron
5:23 PM
do u mean silver nitrate?
or silver cyanide?
 
ADG
nitrite sorry
 
ron
nitrite or nitrate?
 
ADG
ite
 
ADG
"i" (ayeeh)
 
ron
5:24 PM
Hey @Nicolau
 
ADG
nitrite
 
ron
@ ADG then I think under the right conditions you'd get ethyl nitrite and maybe nitrate too
 
ADG
given answer: ethylnitrile+nitroethane
@ron I thought only ethynitrile, but how?
 
ron
I was wrong, only nitrite
Ag+ promtes ionization of the alkyl halide and then substit. by nitrite anion
 
ADG
alcoholic??
alcoholic Silver nitrite
 
ron
5:28 PM
I think so
 
ADG
both are possible according to answers
ok nvm
another question
 
ron
last one
 
ADG
p-chloroaniline and anilinium hydrochloride can be distinguished by?
according to me:
Sandmayer+bicarbonate+silvernitrate+carbylamine
anyone of these
but I'm wrong again
 
ron
When you say "distinguish" I'd guess solubility (in water or ether for example)
@NicolauSakerNeto need to run in aminute, but how are you today?
 
I'm fine
I don't mean to keep you, was just making a friendly greeting!
 
ADG
5:31 PM
@ron distinguish as if they're given in unlabelled bottles.
only tests allowed are those four and i chose all
 
ron
solubilty, melting point
oh I see
 
ADG
unlabelled bottles.
do you have a class.
 
ron
certainly bicarbonate
that would be the easiest
 
ADG
with one or more than one correct answers
sorry it's AgNO3
 
ron
I wouldn't have guessed that, you learn something new everyday
Are you in india
 
ADG
5:36 PM
yes
@ron please say something
:D
 
ron
I visited there, and loved the country, I'll never forget varanasi
 
ADG
@ron why did you visited
do you have time? because you'r earlier msg worries me?
 
ron
I like to travel and had to get from Japan to France, thought I'd stop along the way
time for lunch, see everyone later!
 
ciao
 
ron
@ADG when I said earlier "ethyl nitrite and maybe nitrate too" I meant "ethyl nitrite and nitroethane too"
 
 
1 hour later…
ron
7:08 PM
@Martin I hadn't realized that this chat room was also used for non-chemistry chatting - what a novel idea! I have been wanting to mention something about Japan to you. One of my favorite times in Japan was when I traveled down to Awaji island to see the "uzushio". It is the second or third largest in the world, IIRC.
 
@ron Hullo @ron!
I thought you didn't go "off-topic" because you didn't want to!
Just installed vim
Yay!
 
ron
what's vim?
 
@ron I'm gonna learn LaTeX!
Vim is an IDE for windows.
TeX IDE.
(Vi is the unix version I suppose)
 
ron
@MARamezani ah. say when I type @xyz, does a chat note appear in xyz"s comment box?
 
7:24 PM
Yes. And the message is important, not the content. For example @ron @ron @ron @ron @ron @ron @ron @ron @ron @ron @ron @ron @ron @ron @ron @ron @ron @ron @ron @ron @ron @ron @ron @ron @ron @ron @ron @ron @ron @ron @ron @ron @ron @ron @ron @ron is one "ping" only, I guess.
@ron I hope to see you as another chat reg, I hope! It seems you have so much XP to share.
@ron Do you travel a lot?
 
ron
XP?
Travel, yes
BTW, I'd like to thank you and @Santiago for all the good work you both do in the background over on SE Chem
 
@ron You haven't used windows eXPerience, have you? :)
 
ron
No
 
@ron Background over?
Don't follow you.
 
ron
BTW, no comment notice has shown up on SE Chem from your latest @ron, maybe it takes a while?
 
7:31 PM
@ron If you respond fast, nothing pops up.
 
ron
All the work you do in the background, like @Santiago 's edits and your comments welcoming people or addressing poor questions
 
I know! Their code is as weird as themselves and their humor.
@ron Ah! Thanks!
 
ron
need to run, look forward to chatting with you more next time!
 
@ron Bye! Think I should sleep too.
 
8:15 PM
@ron Thank you for that!
 
 
3 hours later…
11:31 PM
homework vampires....lol
 

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