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DragonLord

00:22

As a note: system build costs include a full retail Windows license, but no monitor, keyboard, or mouse.

DragonLord

00:42

Looks like the build is missing an optical drive; adding one now.

Journeyman Geek

01:05

@DragonLord do you need one?

DragonLord

There are times where an optical drive is needed.

Would rather not use a flash drive for installing Windows, for starters.

It's just a cheap Asus DVD writer.

Journeyman Geek

Using a flash drive to install windows is better imo

DragonLord

It's extra work that requires another computer.

Journeyman Geek

Well, the advantage being superior speed. I can also easily throw on basic software installers and offline updates

And my install disks are stored as iso files anyway

DragonLord

pcpartpicker.com/p/wpVcvK

PCPartPicker part list: pcpartpicker.com/p/wpVcvK
Price breakdown by merchant: pcpartpicker.com/p/wpVcvK/by_merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($341.98 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($80.98 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus SABERTOOTH Z97 MARK 1 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($243.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($229.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 Pro Series 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($292.86 @ Amazon)

Okay, not tighter timings here, but at least this has a better heat spreader.

Okay, replaced with CL 9 modules.

Michael Frank

01:23

> Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 Professional (32/64-bit) ($202.98 @ Newegg)

Or $25 at /r/microsoftsoftwareswap

@DragonLord ^

DragonLord

Would prefer to get a Windows license the old fashioned way. Expensive, yes, but it's what Microsoft intended.

Unlike a lot of PC enthusiasts, I am not one to try to cut the Windows license cost out of the build.

Worst case scenario, I drop from Windows 8.1 Pro to Windows 8.1 (Core) saving $60 or so, but I always do it legit.

Journeyman Geek

That's one thing I will miss about being a student.

Then again, I guess I can afford it now :p

DragonLord

01:45

Cost of antivirus isn't considered; I'll probably use my existing Norton Security subscription.

ChooseMyPC.net generated this for a $2000 overclockable build with Windows: pcpartpicker.com/p/VpWbf7

PCPartPicker part list: pcpartpicker.com/p/VpWbf7
Price breakdown by merchant: pcpartpicker.com/p/VpWbf7/by_merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($199.99 @ Micro Center)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($28.95 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Team Elite Plus 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($52.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($94.99 @ Amazon)

Not too happy with this. I would upgrade CPU and RAM and get a better SSD before adding a second video card.

Also includes an OEM copy of Windows, which I don't want.

I tend towards balanced builds which don't have any glaring weaknesses.

The way I use my computers can demand a faster processor and more RAM.

Well, I am fairly picky with my part vendors, though.

Journeyman Geek

02:01

What's wrong with OEM windows?

DragonLord

It's not what a personal system builder is supposed to use.

It was okay with Windows 8.0, but not 8.1.

DragonLord

02:14

I know lots of you try to save on a Windows license but this is one thing I would never skimp on.

At least Windows licenses are cheaper than they used to be...

Journeyman Geek

Yup, and you get windows 10 upgrade absolutely free ;p

Psycogeek

@DragonLord ahh builder is builder. They still save money because they will not support it. so no $30 phone calls, , , oh wait , they never did support it :-)

Journeyman Geek

That's a wierd option tho. In theory I could follow the spirit of that licence by building a computer and selling it to my dad for a dollar.

/me thinks he's 2-3 years away from his next major build. Especially if he upgrades his system a little. The core i7 is aging well.

Michael Frank

I bought a full copy of Windows 7 Ultimate when it released. I feel I have given MS enough money. ;)

DragonLord

@MichaelFrank Yikes, that's US$400.

Michael Frank

02:21

@DragonLord It was $550NZD after staff discount I believe.

DragonLord

Well, at least it isn't that way any more.

Journeyman Geek

lol

Most of copies of windows at the moment are actual OEM or dreamspark

DragonLord

Not sure why so many PC builders prefer upgrading to multiple graphics cards before adding RAM or upgrading the CPU to an i7.

This sort of build is so lop-sided to me.

Journeyman Geek

Beats me. I got yhr cheapest I7 I can, and 16gb of ram

DragonLord

On the other hand, a lot of OEMs tend to put too much emphasis on the CPU and skimp on the graphics processor.

SLI is one of the last upgrades I would make.

For me, it's fast GPU first, then fast CPU, then more RAM.

...and for a new build, an extra GPU is not added until all of these are upgraded.

Journeyman Geek

02:34

I'm just considering a higher end graphics card, and that's cause I'm finally getting a non shitty monitor

Michael Frank

I would totally look into updating my GTX 560Ti... but I rarely play PC games at the moment.

The PS4 is taking up all the gaming time.

DragonLord

store.hp.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/us/en/pdp/desktops/…

Journeyman Geek

The high end CPU makes sense since used to run VMs on it. My 660 quite happily does maxed out fancy crap with my current monitor.

DragonLord

Come on, HP. Ivy Bridge-E, but the GPU doesn't match it.

Journeyman Geek

(current monitor is 1600x900, 20 inches. Going 4K, 27 inches IPS soon!)

DragonLord

02:39

My goal with Alastor is to game at 2560x1440, at or close to maximum settings for most modern games. I'm planning on getting two monitors but games will only be displayed on one.

Journeyman Geek

I'm thinking of using the old monitor to game with or lower resolutions to game, depending. Pondering a GTX 970 or 980 (or maybe a 4gb 960 depending on price) eventually

Journeyman Geek

02:54

Journeyman Geek

03:31

reddit.com/r/trackers/comments/31rti3/… They should have just put up a torrent of it.... ;p

DemCodeLines

03:55

Anyone still here?

Journeyman Geek

Nope

DemCodeLines

Do you have any significant experience with CentOS and GNOME?

Journeyman Geek

Unfortunately.

6 or 7?

DemCodeLines

I'm working with 7, but I don't think it matters, given the fact that I can't get a freaking simple installation of GNOME to work.

I typed "startx" and guess what it says? "Oh no! Something has gone wrong."

Journeyman Geek

ahh

DemCodeLines

03:58

"A problem has occurred and the system can't recover. Please log out and try again."...

Journeyman Geek

Startx won't work. In theory I think you need to fire up gdm

DemCodeLines

is the command just gdm?

Journeyman Geek

probably.

I've never gotten a RH based install going on the first attempt for some odd reason ;p

DemCodeLines

putting gem in froze it.

Journeyman Geek

._.

That's not right.

DemCodeLines

04:04

can't seem to boot into windows now

Journeyman Geek

0_0

DemCodeLines

keeps bringing up grub

Journeyman Geek

that's not related to firing up GDM. You did backup first, right?

DemCodeLines

Well, CentOS is running on a partition

Journeyman Geek

Yeah, but if you can't load windows, you'll have to work out how to fix it.

(and this is why I switched to VMs ._.)

DemCodeLines

04:06

Well it's not like Windows is broken, it's just that I don't know how to get off of grub

Journeyman Geek

grub SHOULD have a windows entry.

DemCodeLines

it doesn't...

DragonLord

Just bought reddit gold for the first time, two years at $60.

Journeyman Geek

4

Q: Add Windows 7 to boot menu

Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 * 1 13 102400 7 HPFS/NTFS - system restore /dev/sda2 13 4674 37436416 7 HPFS/NTFS - Windows 7 /dev/sda3 4674 58843 435116032 7 HPFS/NTFS - d...

DragonLord

Ultimately, reddit isn't exactly in great shape financially speaking and I thought I might chip in.

Journeyman Geek

04:15

You need a working boot to get that to work tho. Or boot into a windows installer and use that to fix boot.

or reinstall centos and hope it does it right

Michael Frank

@DragonLord For yourself? o.O

DragonLord

Yeah.

Planning to give a month to someone else as well.

DemCodeLines

Whatever, I'll just boot into Windows using Windows DVD and delete the CentOS partition altogether.

Michael Frank

@DragonLord I think I've gilded a couple people before... I wonder if I can look it up.

DragonLord

@MichaelFrank reddit.com/r/starbucks/comments/30udbd/…

Journeyman Geek

04:25

I am tempted to propose referring to quiet as "the Q word" at work. Especially when the new guy says it.

DragonLord

06:07

Finally found a good kernel for my old Nexus 7: forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2168787

Flashed a74 on top of the latest CM12 nightly ROM.

I've yet to validate the higher clock speeds for stability, but suffice it to say that the 1.5 GHz default is a dramatic performance boost.

play.google.com/store/apps/…

Testing now, scaling 1200 to 1700 MHz.

Have to go to bed soon.

Device hangs and reboots at 1.7 GHz, not sure why. Will validate for 1.6 GHz operation.

DragonLord

06:36

Ping me with any suggestions, see ya.

Michael Frank

07:38

@DragonLord This was the one comment I ever gilded:

reddit.com/r/aww/comments/23tm3k/…

Journeyman Geek

11:01

whoot. Apparently my ISP stopped port blocking on ipv6/port 80.

Bob

11:50

o.O

Journeyman Geek

(Inbound. They had it blocked for years(

Bob

what is ipv6

apparently the ISPs here mostly haven't heard of it

Journeyman Geek

12:05

@Bob: cloudflare does 6-4 gateways so essentially I can run my own ipv6 only stuff behind cloudflare.

linuscl

13:51

hello! have a problem with gimp. I can't set the opacity of a selectet area.

That Brazilian Guy

15:17

@linuscl You don't set opacity of areas (you would do that for vectorial editing software, like Inkscape). You set the opacity of layers.

linuscl

15:47

Sorry, I forgot... I did it so. It only toggle layers when I try to set the opacity.

That Brazilian Guy

@linuscl Sorry, what?

linuscl

I said areas, but meant layers.

I made a image, then I added a layer and selected a part of the image and filled it with grey.

Next I saved the layers in different pictures (png). Then I opened both and made a copy of the layer in the first image. I copied the image with the grey part and pasted it in the other one and anchored the layers.

Afterwards I tried to change the opacity, but the image only toggles on 50%.

What's wrong?

DemCodeLines

Would love some help on this CentOS installation

It's ticking me off.

linuscl

@DemCodeLines What's the problem?

DemCodeLines

Freaking GNOME won't install on CentOS 7

Startx says that it encountered an error and "can't recover"

allquixotic

15:59

@DemCodeLines got hardware accel working? gnome3 requires it

DemCodeLines

Well my bios gui is quite basic. The most advanced thing there is, is to enable virtualization

allquixotic

I mean GPU drivers on Linux, not in the BIOS

@Bob github.com/dotnet/llilc/wiki O_O

Bob

@allquixotic ...O_O

allquixotic

(bad) idea :D

C# -> IL -> LLILC -> LLVM IR -> emscripten -> JS

!!no, right?

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: no

Bob

16:06

@allquixotic oh god

that's horrifying

I wonder when .NET Native will be ready

allquixotic

@Bob Eclipse did it, GUI and all.

Yo dawg.

Bob

16:25

>
Outage Started:
Wednesday 15 April 2015, 2:00 AM AEST
Estimated Restoration:
Wednesday 15 April 2015, 6:00 AM AEST (4hours )
Severity:
Source:
TPG
Due to carrier planned maintenance, some customers may experience connection difficulties. TPG apologises for any inconvenience.

...

be real nice if they somehow communicated planned maintenance before it started

oh, I dunno, maybe an email

at this rate I'll have to start scraping their status page -_-

DragonLord

18:36

Note: Because harrymc is a "bounty hunter" of sorts, I tend to favor other answers when awarding a bounty even if his answer is best.

He posts almost entirely in order to earn bounties, and not much else.

Bob

Better to consider all questions and answers on the merit of their content, not the user...

(of course, I don't exactly do that myself all the time :\)

DragonLord

Well, I don't think harrymc's conduct is genuinely meritorious. I want others to get a chance.

I might go on some bounty hunting myself, though.

I've offered 13 bounties and earned only 4.

Bob

@DragonLord There's nothing inherently wrong with answering for bounties. That's the reason bounties exist.

As long as the answer is actually useful (and here we go back to looking at the content, not the user)

DragonLord

...or perhaps I should just post the best answers I can, as I always have.

Canadian Luke

Anyone good with bash? I'm running into a very odd issue I can't seem to track down

pastebin.com/uP5wsw25 executes, but seems to run infinitely

Bob

18:50

@CanadianLuke that syntax makes me :(

Python! Heck, even Perl!

Canadian Luke

I don't know those yet

Bob

I'd probably do a for i in 1..$numOfInts

avoid the bash bastardised c-syntax as much as possible

Salehen Rahman

I'm learning about operating systems. The prof talked about CPU stalling. Just to double check, when an instruction is requesting reads from main memory, the CPU stalls, correct?

And if it stalls, no other instructions are going to be run so long as the data has not been fully loaded. Right?

Bob

@SalehenRahman that's a very simplistic view of traditional CPUs.

A modern CPU has pipelining, data dependencies, etc - as long as a later instruction doesn't depend on a result from an earlier one, it can execute

all that fun stuff

DragonLord

@SalehenRahman Only if the CPU is an in-order design.

Bob

19:01

oh, yea, that was the name. out-of-order execution

DragonLord

Most modern CPUs are out-of-order, allowing other instructions to execute even if an instruction in front of it is stalled.

It's pretty complex, though. The CPU needs to keep track of what data each instruction uses and depends on, what resources are in use, etc.

Bob

@DragonLord I actually can't think of any that aren't.

No x86 that I'm aware of.

Some older ARM designs that are still manufactured, I guess.

DragonLord

@Bob The original Atom design used the in-order P54C architecture.

Bob

Oh, probably some MIPS ones.

@DragonLord I wouldn't call that modern.

The original Atom design is over six years old at this point.

(I would know - I have one of those :P)

There's also the AVR micros. Those are also pretty low-power.

But if you're dealing with a modern non-embedded OS then you're probably dealing with an OOO CPU.

DragonLord

The Knights Corner Xeon Phi uses a modified P54C, which is still in-order.

Knights Landing is out-of-order.

The instruction scheduling hardware in an out-of-order processor tends to be power-hungry.

Making the processor in-order cuts power consumption a lot but makes it s-l-o-w.

That's why the old Atom chips had such poor performance.

Bob

19:08

@CanadianLuke sure you don't mean i == $numOfInts? In C syntax a single = is always assignment.

Canadian Luke

I got it figured out... Eventually... Doing a while loop instead

Bob

@DragonLord That's not really general-purpose though.

Specialised chips can afford to create such a constraint and expect programmers to work with it (e.g. minimise external memory access)

Ramhound

20:11

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A: Running Win7 64bit on USB 3.0 thumb drive - is it possible to use the 3.0 speeds?

Step 1 - Check the speed of your USB stick To measure the speed of your stick I recommend HD Tune. It provides data regarding the data transfer rate and the access time. The most important is the access time. Ideally it should be under 1ms. I use this stick. Note the data transfer t...

User refused to include content from third-party website he authored. So I created a community wiki that included it. Took me less then 3 minutes to do. Why must people be difficult?

Ramhound

20:24

I withdrew my previous comments. I admit putting up the answer was a little passive aggressive, but at the same time, the response to such a little request was odd. I am willing to delete the answer if the author is willing to put the content in his answer.

Bob

@Ramhound Ehhh... in this case, I'd recommend at least summarising the content and making the link a bit more obvious.

Ramhound

20:40

I can do that. I am not sure what more I can do then literally say he is the author and provide the source to the original content.

Mokubai

Hate link only answers, especially when they only link to someones blog.

It's not like the markdown editor is that difficult.

Ramhound

( lol )

Yeah....

Its even worst. HE was the author.

It literally took me less then 5 minutes to do it.

So only a few ways take the out right refusal to do it.

I will still delete the answer, all he had to do, is copy and paste :$

Mokubai

@Ramhound Seen him a few times, once you mention that content should be here then he digs in and refuses to touch it. It's a bit of a trait amongst bloggers once they think they're not going to get traffic any more.

Ramhound

I see...

does that forum provide some sort of revenue program or something because, I looked, if they do saw no evidence of one.

Mokubai

20:55

I'm not sure, but if he's a key contributor or somehow affiliated then anything is possible...

A lot of his answers are good, he just refuses to touch the markdown editor for some reason

Ramhound

The funny thing is. I have used that site in a majority of my answers. I end up literally just copying and pasting mainly because I am to lazy to generate my own images :$

( wish Jacksonville would get back with me ) I really want that transfer....

Mokubai

@Ramhound changing jobs?

Ramhound

Its the same job, just in another location,

I miss Florida. My current location is deader then a door nob at a engineering frat party :$

when it comes to social evnets

Mokubai

@Ramhound Wait, you're in the US? I always saw Georgia in your profile and assumed en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_%28country%29

TIL there's another Georgia.

Canadian Luke

When trying to triplicate an array in bash, is this syntax correct? It's only outputting the array once:

array=("${array[@]}" "${array[@]}" "${array[@]}")

Mokubai

21:10

@Ramhound not meaning to be rude, I just don't know US states... like at all...

Canadian Luke

21:23

@gfse You should post it

Ramhound

22:16

@Mokubai - NP

DragonLord

22:49

5

Q: Does increasing upload or download speed reduce ping?

I now, probably this is a very easy question to this site and participants, but I don't found any direct response about this answer on the web. Beforehand I apologize for my bad English. I have a network with 5MB speed, but my ping is very high in every games. When the network is stable (I test...

networking ping bandwidth latency

Looks like this is going viral.

@CanadianLuke Ping @Sathya, he's the one running GFSE

Canadian Luke

Looks like you just did - thanks

DragonLord

No, he hasn't chatted in a while, so I can't.

I didn't get a suggestion for Sathya.

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