The Whiteboard

user41796

3:08 AM

@gnat ?! Is the filtering off? Duga ought to be putting the correct positives here in The Whiteboard so we can collectively pounce on that Scheiße. AKA. it's not just your (oops, sorry for shouting) tilting at play here. There's several others of us who are actively try to tamp down on the crap referrals to Progs.

user41796

And for the record, you should have seen several follow-up comments from me based upon Duga comments. Granted, I often use the term "Progs" to avoid excessive noise from Duga, but the comments are still there, hopefully batting away the potentially future posts that are crap.

user41796

@YannisRizos, @WorldEngineer, @ThomasOwens, @mapleshaft, @chrisf, our review queue is too deep. I beseech you, kind mods, to hit the review (and delete) queues and burn off the schlock that besmirches our good site. Blame Haskell, I don't care. Blame whatever, I don't care. But please, burn the garbage that besmirch's our fair site with a vengeance that has yet to be seen and will not be soon forgotten.

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user41796

TL;DR, burn it all to the ground, please.

Yannis Rizos

4:27 AM

This question cannot be deleted

This question cannot be deleted because other questions are linked as duplicates of this one.

Those posts must be deleted - or reopened, if they are not truly duplicates - before this question can be deleted.

Well... this is new.

Yannis Rizos

@GlenH7 I've re-opened all the things. Happy?

user55340

4:51 AM

@Snowman alas, you beat me to the sealed jar question.

whatsisname

Programmers should throw a warning when a new user writes a question that has the word "career" in it

it would probably prevent 95% of the career questions

user114359

5:11 AM

@MichaelT and here I thought I was taking my sweet time writing that answer.

user114359

@whatsisname I almost feel bad that new users spend a whole day writing up twelve paragraphs about career/education advice or what project/language to take up next only to have it closed five minutes later... almost.

user55340

5:29 AM

@Snowman I was looking at that one and going... Oh, I know how to answer this one, fix it up... Reopen it... Rep cap city. But, nope... You've got to give a perfectly satisfactory answer for it that I would be repeating if I were to answer now. :-P ;-)

user114359

Which one? programmers.stackexchange.com/q/273376/22815 ?

user114359

The other one isn't closed, and this one will never be on-topic.

Duga

8:48 AM

@gnat The word is may. I am not suggesting a migration. I am merely suggesting the OP that a reworded form of this question may be better received at Programmers SE. — bluefog 42 secs ago

Duga

8:58 AM

@gnat I agree. I was merely suggesting to the OP that this question is clearly off topic for SO. Asking questions about development methodologies is on topic for Programmers SE. A reworded form with more effort will be better suited there. — bluefog 28 secs ago

user41796

12:11 PM

@YannisRizos Yep, thanks for taking a serious chunk out of the queues!

user41796

@whatsisname We already have pop-ups warning them when they select the tags. meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/q/6983/53019 You'd think people would read something like that when asking about something as presumably important as their career.

user41796

12:28 PM

It's weird to me that my new routine involves checking 3 or 4 chat rooms instead of just one. Not used to this whole branching out thing... :-)

user55340

12:50 PM

►

user55340

1:54 PM

Interesting. New community adverts are frequently getting the 2x scale.

user55340

1

A: Community Promotion Ads - 2015

user55340

Mods: follow up to flag on prog vs algorithm. It's been reposted on CS. Consider working with cs miss to move and merge?

user55340

2:32 PM

Please do not repost questions. If you feel that the answers here (you did accept one) are sufficient, there shouldn't be a need to repost it. If you feel that it is better served on another site, please flag it for migration. Having multiple copies of the question across the network does not serve people well because it makes it harder for people to find the answer and people on other sites may still be trying to answer the question when you already have one that is satisfactory. — MichaelT 10 mins ago

VinyleEm

Hi guys, I have a general question to ask regarding software engineering interviews. I've been told to rate myself as a programmer on a scale of 1-10(on a web form to be filled before a phone interview). What do you think they expect from this?

ratchet freak

@VinyleEm to be able to justify the rating you gave yourself in the followup

user55340

2:54 PM

@VinyleEm sijinjoseph.com/programmer-competency-matrix may be an idea of what to rate 1 and 10.

user55340

One challenge with the 1-10 scale, you don't always know what a 10 is.

Duga

I think this question is kind of off-topic for Stack Overflow, as it's a legal question and not really a programming question. You should try asking on programmers.stackexchange.com. — alex 1 min ago

user55340

Alternatively, you have this mythic ideal of 10 being the guy who codes with his eyes closed and hands behind the back on two keyboards.

VinyleEm

@ratchetfreak Ok, I'll have to explain my self-rating, whatever it is going to be.

user55340

3:17 PM

@MichaelT I think the answers here are not satisfactory, however somehow I solved it and found some documents about it, but you may delete it here as I asked the same question another place or merge it with the other question. — Ahmad 1 min ago

Duga

@MichaelT ah true i was just going off what the legal tag says: "Questions about licensing should be asked on Programmers.SE.". it sounded like a non-commercial licensing question — alex 2 mins ago

user55340

(Victory!)

user55340

4:28 PM

Thoughts for people who are bored: edit in links to some canonical books into the tag wikis for the different tags. Like requirements and the like. +2 rep unless you have 20k.

whatsisname

4:58 PM

i don't really feel like doing any actual work today

user55340

@whatsisname new job title: leisure engineer

user55340

Or you could ask "as a software engineer, what are best coffees to drink". Cross post it on three sites and see which gets closed fastest.

user55340

Not that I would ever suggest such a thing.

whatsisname

5:26 PM

I'd cross post it on Prog, Workplace, and graphic design

i wonder which sites a question like that would get the most 'honest' answers

user55340

@whatsisname coffee.se launched.

user55340

3

Q: What's the recommended coffee to water ratio for cold brew?

I was interested today in making some cold brew. I have a french press so I'd like to use that. What is your recommended brewing time? Does this make a concentrate? What ratio do you use later to dilute that concentrate? Thanks in advance!

gnat

5:48 PM

14

A: Auto-flag duplicates of deleted questions for reopening / deletion

Update: this is now live since the end of January 2015 I agree 100% with the problem you've identified here: it's a terrible experience to land on a duplicate question, click a link to the "canonical" post and find out it's been deleted. I'd actually like to propose a slightly more aggressi...

Robert Harvey

6:41 PM

Yay... Delete vote inb4 reopen: programmers.stackexchange.com/q/272638/1204

user41796

@RobertHarvey Thanks! Saw that in the reopen queue today. Blech.

Robert Harvey

On another note, questions like that are just mental masturbation. "Can a program be called an algorithm?" Yes, yes it can. [masturbation follows] Who cares? — Robert Harvey 15 secs ago

Dictionary porn.

And it doesn't help anyone. Nobody sits around a conference room table debating the definition of "algorithm."

MetaFight

And while we're ranting, what's the deal with style questions on this site? All answers are equally valid. Even the really stupid ones.

"I like tabs but my colleague uses 5 spaces. Who is the better programmer?"

Robert Harvey

A lot of these are folks who just want to be "correct." After you've been in the software industry for awhile, you realize that there is no such thing as "correct," only "better or worse" for a given criteria. That's when you finally realize that your judgment is just as sound as anyone else's, assuming you know what you're doing.

MetaFight

5th time's a charm.

Robert Harvey

6:49 PM

That's when you can say "I prefer my brace style, but I'll use the shop standard, because I can play well in the sandbox with others."

MetaFight

You just gave the answer to all style debates on this site.

no more need for style questions. I'll flag them all as duplicate now.

ty!

rolfl

Yes, local rules count... and local consistency outweighs most code style arguments

but not all.

Robert Harvey

One of the nice things about Visual Studio having style rules built-in is that everyone generally just follows those rules.

So I have some questions about my job hunt, specifically about job skills. cc: @GlenH7 @MichaelT

One of the lesser know things about NASA is that they tend to use technologies that are out of date. Stability is favored over cutting edge. They only change when they're forced to, and only after extensive regression testing.

So while the job market is asking for things like HTM5, CSS, Angular, WPF and the like, I spent the last four years developing a Winforms application. I have ASP.NET MVC skills from NASA, but they're five years out of date.

I am now in the position of bringing my skills current in a very short time. I also need to get good at puzzle tests and behavioral interviews, because that seems to be the fashion nowadays.

I just had a look at the Programmer Competency Matrix again, since @MichaelT linked it. I figure I've got about a year's worth of work just to get to O(log n) on most or all of those. So basically I need to learn a whole lot in a very short period of time, and put up a portfolio to prove that I know it. I'm also currently going through the HackerRank problems.

Any thoughts on how I might be more focused, or where I should concentrate my efforts?

rolfl

No, but you can get valuable feedback on your progress from Code Review... that's dead-serious.

Robert Harvey

11

Q: "ACM ICPC Team" challenge on Hackerrank... Easy?

This challenge took me awhile to figure out, and it's characterized as "easy," so I'm sorta wondering what I missed. Problem Statement You are given a list of N people who are attending ACM-ICPC World Finals. Each of them are either well versed in a topic or they are not. Find out the ...

c# performance algorithm

(self-answered, but got a lot of upvotes)

rolfl

7:04 PM

Ahhh, see, someone who knows more than you, answered ..... ;-)

well, knows more than the you who asked did, answered.

Robert Harvey

I find odd that you use int i=0 in your for loops, while you use a space elsewhere. — Marc-Andre 2 days ago

That's a little more pedantry than I needed, but it's Code Review, so.

user41796

@RobertHarvey - I need to drop offline for a bit, but yes, I'll put some thought into that for you.

rolfl

OK, asking on the friday fternoon of a long weekend in north america.... hmmm.

Also, if I am honest, a fantastic way to advance your skills is to answer questions on CR...

Robert Harvey

I don't know... I've spent a lot of time answering questions on SO, but all of the knowledge I've gained seems to be surface-skimming stuff. Eric Lippert says the same thing (about answering questions to learn), but he already knows a lot.

I do credit SO and Programmers with exposing me to an enormous breadth of subjects which I would not know anything about otherwise.

rolfl

That's the thing about SO and Programmers, is that you need to know the answer, to answer.

On Code Review, the code is working already, it is all about what you can do better... how to take someing OK, and make it better.

You don't have to make it perfect, just one point in a different direction, to make a solution improved.

For example, my C# is not great (not at all good), but I could probably improve the code you have in a few ways ;-)

Give me a couple of hours.... need to get some things done... then get back to you

user55340

7:23 PM

@RobertHarvey the log n on there are ideals. Strive for them where practical. Ignore where not. Writing solid code is key unless you are at a startup looking to be bought.

user55340

Can you work with and learn something new? Yep. Most places that's hood enough. Also check with state jobs. They tend to be 5 y behind too.

user55340

(Ant with no dependancy management? Spring from 4 years ago? Check...)

user55340

I'll also claim many large companies would be things to look at. The larger the org, the slower things move.

user55340

This is also true of tech companies. Net app was all servlets and ejb in '09 still. More people, more training.

user55340

Easier to do big tech leaps every few years to slightly old tech rather than startup bleeding edge.

durron597

7:41 PM

@RobertHarvey I got a lot of that kind of review in my few posts on CR also

Robert Harvey

7:51 PM

@durron597 I'm a bit of a stickler myself (especially when it involves proper use of the English language), but I seldom call people out over things their IDE should be handling automatically for them. I call it out when it detreacts from readability, like bad code formatting.

durron597

@RobertHarvey hackerrank ide's doesn't have any of these features unfort

Robert Harvey

@MichaelT Thanks, that's really helpful.

psr

I would read CR more if it didn't involve so many silly bikeshedding comments about trivial formatting issues.

Ampt

When you're dialed into a conference call and burp really loud, unaware of weather your mic is muted or not...

#JustConsultantThings

2

Q: AJAX - What exactly does that encompass?

So I see on a lot of people's resumes they list AJAX in their technologies (or programming languages - and I recognize that it is not a language). To me, AJAX seems like such a small concept to be individually listed. It seems it is almost as useful as listing MVC experience (because MVC too is a...

javascript ajax

Am I the only one who has a hard time closing that as too broad as it has an answer with upvotes and is accepted?

clearly OP found his answer

quick, I need calibration!

whatsisname

this guy's a university professor? programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/273427/…

Ampt

7:57 PM

That's scary

user15026

@Ampt hahaha, its like being on the phones in the call center and knowing you have to sneeze and not being sure if you will mute yourself in time

Robert Harvey

Um, Asynchronous Javascript And XML, yo.

Ampt

@RobertHarvey I voted to leave open. I just couldn't bring myself to strike it down

Robert Harvey

@Ampt Psh. "It's an HR thing."

user55340

@whatsisname yea... I wonder too.

whatsisname

8:18 PM

i need to reboot my workstation I think

user55340

@RobertHarvey many places between the existing code and staff training are years behind. Previous employer needed to spend 40h to update jquery... With only having 1 person to do it and spend at most 1d/w. Months later, still old version.

user55340

Bigger companies have even more loc/coder.

user55340

And deeper backlog of issues and projects.

user55340

8:42 PM

@RobertHarvey check out city, state, and county jobs too.

Robert Harvey

9:08 PM

@rolfl: Thanks for the answer on that CR question. I knew someone would eventually mention the lack of braces. Giving up brace redaction is hard; it's not so much you that you're looking after, it's the guy coming after you that can't handle the missing braces.

I used to scoff at the idea that missing braces would cause such problems until it actually happened at NASA. Someone added some code without taking into account the missing braces. Caused a bad crash, and it took them a couple days to figure out what happened.

rolfl

Yeah, I have seen it happen multiple times.

Apple is the most visible recent victim of it..... in their security code.

See: imperialviolet.org/2014/02/22/applebug.html

Then again, using GOTO gets them what they deserve too ;-)

Robert Harvey

Yeah, I heard about that. "goto fail" all right.

rolfl

For me, though, it's not just the maintainer making the mistake, it's also the magnitude of diffs in the code.

In C# it's not so bad because the standard is to put the open brace on a new line, but with C++/Java, where the standard is to put the brace on line-end, you end up with more ugly changes...

diffs show the actual if-condition, or for-loop condition being changed.

Robert Harvey

Using gratuitous braces that don't even line up never really made much sense to me.

user55340

@rolfl peerj.com/preprints/826v1.pdf

Robert Harvey

9:12 PM

I know why they do it (to save a line), but still.

rolfl

See examples i pasted here: codereview.stackexchange.com/a/74507/31503

@MichaelT Yeah, I know that goto is not as bad as advertised.... but it's still not good.

Diff without braces for adding a counter to a condition:

user55340

@rolfl gratuitous parens. Lisp for all!

rolfl

diff with braces already there for the same effective code change:

whatsisname

all that effort for a fizzbuzz

rolfl

whatsisname

9:14 PM

seems like a complete waste of time to me

rolfl

That's OK, fizzbuzz is not for everyone.

Robert Harvey

Not for anyone, really. Nobody I'm interviewing with is asking for fizzbuzz.

user114359

Fizzbuzz is not for this guy: thedailywtf.com/articles/The-Fizz-Buzz-from-Outer-Space

rolfl

But it's a great learning tool for modulo operations.

It's also a decent enough way to relate loop, conditional, arithmetic, and output operations when learning a new language

user114359

it is also a good way to weed out crazy fools during the interview process.

user55340

9:18 PM

Ever see Knuth algorithm ?

rolfl

There's a few... right?

user55340

Trabb Pardo–Knuth algorithm

The Trabb Pardo–Knuth algorithm is a program introduced by Donald Knuth and Luis Trabb Pardo to illustrate the evolution of computer programming languages. In their 1977 work "The Early Development of Programming Languages", Trabb Pardo and Knuth introduced a trivial program that involved arrays, indexing, mathematical functions, subroutines, I/O, conditionals and iteration. They then wrote implementations of the algorithm in several early programming languages to show how such concepts were expressed. The simpler Hello world program has been used for much the same purpose. == The algorithm... ==

rolfl

Ahh, no, i was no aware of that one.

interesting.

user55340

start a new thing on cr?

rolfl

Likely, I should search for it.....

... it's not there yet.

I don't ask enough questions, so a Java8 version would be an interesting twist.

user55340

9:24 PM

It's hello world++

user55340

Do it in BF and LOL.

rolfl

LOL would score a Good Question on CR at least.

Hey, I happen to be a LOLCODE guru therel. KTHXBYE

user55340

You know you do cr too much when... You have tag badges in bf or lol.

rolfl

My answer was supposed to be sarcastic, but apparently it did not come across:

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Q: Down with FizzBuzz... LOL

This post is the result of reading through and following the LOLCODE Specification 1.2 ("smoking the manual", right?), and writing and executing my code on compileonline.com. My "hello world" was going to be a fizzbuzz. I like it because it nicely illustrates the basics of a language - variables...

beginner fizzbuzz lolcode

THere are only 4 LOLCODE questions.... the BF questions are actually really challenging - some serious ones too.

Of course, fizzbuzz in brainfuck:

35

Q: FizzBuzz in Brainfuck

Inspired a bit by a previous Brainfuck question and the recent fizzbuzz invasion, I decided to make FizzBuzz in Brainfuck. The code is entirely my own, except for the inclusion of the Printing a number algorithm that I found on StackOverflow. My code is divided into several parts. Setup Const...

fizzbuzz brainfuck

user114359

LOLCODE and BF... always good for a laugh when work is stressing me out and I need a diversion.

rolfl

9:29 PM

The thing is, those questions often go hot, and people are entertained, and they get upvoted disproportionately. Good for a laugh, but sort of send the wrong message....

user55340

Befunge can be fun too.

rolfl

meh, if you want confusing, try whitespace.

user55340

Get your reps before grad completes!

user55340

Perl::lingata::romana

user55340

Or rail... Or Piet.

user114359

9:32 PM

whitespace is an awful language, really only good for polyglots

rolfl

Not even good for that ;-)

user114359

depends on how you define "good"

user55340

Look at page 11 of the knuth pdf. It's practically in rail already.

user55340

esolangs.org/wiki/Rail

user55340

Then there is esolangs.org/wiki/Piet

psr

9:48 PM

@MichaelT - By the way, for the giant BigInteger version of Fizz Buzz, couldn't you just keep a list of each "Noiser" (like Fizz, Buzz, Beep, Blurp) and how many print loops it has to go before it gets fired? You have to decrement each one each iteration, and add its characteristic number each time it fires, but you never have to divide (modulo or otherwise). It's kind of dumb but it seems to scale at least as well as keeping prime factors.

user55340

@psr that is indeed a dumb, and good way to do it.

user55340

But primes + hash table + linked list + fizz = code review conniption.

user114359

is this a question somewhere?

user55340

@Snowman write fizzbuzz able to handle 100+ words with a range from 1m to 100m. Words may be any size (multiple of 123456 -> argyle)

psr

@MichaelT We wanted a code review conniption? (Digs through requirements docs)

rolfl

10:01 PM

@MichaelT TPK in Java8 ;-) :

    try (Scanner scanner = new Scanner(System.in);) {
        int[] values = IntStream.generate(scanner::nextInt).limit(11).toArray();
        int[] reversed = IntStream.range(0, values.length)
                .map(index -> values[values.length - index - 1]).toArray();
        IntToDoubleFunction function = val -> Math.sqrt(Math.abs(val)) + 5 * val * val * val;
        Arrays.stream(reversed).mapToDouble(function)
                .forEach(val -> System.out.println(val > 400.0 ? "TOO LARGE" : String.format("%.5f", val)));

user114359

@MichaelT sounds hideous

enderland

I would try Programmers Chat for this as you probably will have better luck.. — enderland 9 secs ago

rolfl

You may want to link in to the actual programmers chat room, not just chat in general, @enderland ;-)

enderland

@rolfl whaaaa that means [chat ] is broken

rolfl

Huh, interesting...

user41796

10:09 PM

@enderland IIRC, [ chat ] has always expanded out to chat.stackexchange... and not to a specific room.

rolfl

It must use the referrer as a source.... if I click the link from here in the whiteboard, it goes to: the general SE chat....

but, if I click it from the comment on the programmers site, it goes to the programmers rooms selection

http://chat.stackexchange.com/?tab=site&sort=active&host=programmers.stackexchange.com

the actual link is

http://chat.stackexchange.com/

enderland

@GlenH7 no it used to work to the room of the site it's on

user41796

<---- Color me wrong then. :-D

enderland

the title auto corrects to "Programmers Chat" too so I assume it should work

Nero theZero

@enderland hello, you just suggested Chat on my question programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/273441/…

@enderland so how can Chat help me?

enderland

10:19 PM

Some questions are a lot better fit for chat - I think yours is one of them

Nero theZero

and shud I post the entire question here?

enderland

Nah

user114359

Questions about education and career advice are off-topic for the main site, but we can talk about it here.

enderland

10:32 PM

@NerotheZero so what is immediately coming to mind for me is embedded work

Ampt

Yep. Embedded systems

Nero theZero

@enderland thanks for your suggestion. sad thing is there's no scope for embedded works in Bangladesh where I live

Ampt

lol, no one in bangladesh does embedded work?

Stack Exchange

The Codeless Code: Case 179: Walking the Path

posted on February 10, 2015

Master Bawan was assisting the Elephant's Footprint Clan in creating a database service for the temple’s audit logs. “We shall need at least three weeks to determine which NoSQL database engine would be best for this task,” said Bawan to the abbot of that clan. “No need,” said the abbot. “The Temple of the Burning Pool has recently chosen a NoSQL engine for their own purposes. Follow t…

Ampt

I'm sorry but that sounds a little.... improbable?

Nero theZero

10:37 PM

lol, yes it is so

Ampt

@NerotheZero no it's not hahahaha

out of 150 million people, someone is doing embedded programming

enderland

Realistically though a lot of development issues are related to hardware, for example opengl may work differently depending on what your physical graphics card is

Nero theZero

everything here is "Web Development" which not a lil bit interested in :(

Ampt

lol, I think you are having a big problem differentiating between what is popular and advertised, and what is actually done

just because everyone and their uncle is yelling out their windows about web dev, doesn't mean that everyone is doing web dev

enderland

there are a ton of fun things you can do with hardware too, for example buying arduinos and going to town with making them do ridiculous things

Ampt

10:39 PM

the people doing embedded just aren't... shouting out their windows

user20683

@NerotheZero I know for a fact that there are factories in Bangladesh. They use embedded systems for control.

user20683

embedded systems guys tend to be lower key than web devs

user20683

more like an owl than a peacock

Nero theZero

@WorldEngineer plz can you name one?

user20683

@NerotheZero Ford

Ampt

10:41 PM

Wait... you mean to tell me that Ford's use computers!?!?!?!

user20683

that's a US example but I'm sure there are similar

enderland

Pretty much any company making anything that has any automation or computer control has some level of embedded controls

Ampt

What happened to my edelbrock?!!

enderland

It turns out most things use automation/control now

user20683

@Ampt @AshleyNunn any guess as to how many processors? Your dad might know

Ampt

10:42 PM

Lol, I was being facetious. They use a few computers usually. ECU + ECUM + Infotainment + HUD/Dash

In most cases the company making the car doesn't make the ECU, they make a chip that interfaces with the ECU

Nero theZero

@enderland I have an Arduino and a NetDuino, but I'm curious to know where can i put my career

may be I need to migrate to US or Europe :(

user20683

@NerotheZero The Tata Group

Nero theZero

Tata is Indian, not Bangladeshi

@WorldEngineer u were saying abt factories in bangladesh?

user20683

@NerotheZero well I would think someone would have some

user20683

and someone has to maintain those computing systems and maybe robots

user114359

10:47 PM

just because a product is physically assembled in a location does not mean its software is developed there, however.

Nero theZero

lol

user114359

but I would agree, a city that size must have some embedded developers.

Nero theZero

we don't have any robots

lol

Ampt

@NerotheZero How old are you?

Nero theZero

i'm 37

enderland

10:48 PM

@Snowman most factories have a lot of PLC type controls for even the "boring" automated stuff

Nero theZero

.NET parallel framework is the only thing available to me where I can apply my expertise

user20683

sinepulse.com/embedded-system-engineer

Nero theZero

to write some highly parallelized code lol

user20683

that's a german company operating in Bangladesh

user20683

it'll give you an idea of what's typically required

Nero theZero

10:54 PM

@WorldEngineer thanks a lot. i'm definitely gonna see it thru, even though it says "2 years experience in Embedded System Engineering"

whatsisname

PLC work is not typically considered "embedded" work

Nero theZero

but at least a start :)

user20683

@NerotheZero it was an example

user20683

there are I'm sure jobs that require less experience

user20683

if nothing else, you can do embedded work on the side via contract for a while and then have a nice portfolio with a bunch of happy customers to serve as references

Nero theZero

10:57 PM

u mean freelance?

user20683

@NerotheZero something like that.

user20683

We've got a whole site devoted to it:

user20683

if you've more specific questions

Ampt

Although I doubt you'll find much freelance work in embedded: most freelance is the dreaded web-dev

Also, for being 37, you seem to have a fairly naive view of how diverse an entire country can be

Nero theZero

11:01 PM

didn't know u can do embedded system work via freelancing work providers, i mean it's not like buying a domain and host ur work on ur web server

Ampt

150 million people is nothing small

Nero theZero

@Ampt lol

you don't have any idea abt Bangladesh i guess

Ampt

The US is only twice that

Nero theZero

don't get fooled by that population numbers

plz

durron597

@MichaelT So I asked my interviewee FizzBuzz today. Worked really well

Ampt

11:04 PM

So you're saying that you've got an entire population of 150 million people pegged??

I'm sorry but that's ridiculous.

user41796

@durron597 Coolness. The best part is when you vary up things based upon the code they already wrote. Let's you see further into their logic

durron597

@GlenH7 I asked it in 4 parts

1. Standard 3/5 fizzbuzz

Ampt

sigh Yes father.

durron597

2. 120/200 fizzbuzz

3. 120/200/105 fizzbuzzquux

user41796

@Ampt Go ponder. xkcd.com/386 :-D

durron597

11:07 PM

4. write a function boolean check(String result, int number) that returns true if the given result is correct, and false if it's not. Your program should use the same decision code for both the looping behavior and the checking behavior

user41796

Yep, good approach

user41796

helps you see a lot about their design and then maintenance approach

Ampt

@GlenH7 already doing that over on some Jeep forums.... Whoops

user15026

11:19 PM

@Ampt Yeah, that sounds about right. All I know is periodically they give my dad money to get a relatively garage-proof laptop to interface with the "this is the shit that has gone wrong in the car" sort of computer bits

Ampt

OBD2 adapter probably :)

although all the fun stuff is proprietary in terms of message decoding

oh and I forgot the computer for the transmissions.. those are all electronically driven too nowadays

user15026

@Ampt Very much so.

user15026

My dad has been a mechanic for 35 years, a Ford one for most of that, and as he put it "the stuff is so specific in terms of computers and electronics that I probably will never work for a different car manufacturer because I would have to throw most of what I know and start over."

user114359

@AshleyNunn and even then I bet he relearns everything every few years anyway, as Ford changes everything with new models, body styles, etc. Just imagine what it took to switch to the new touchscreen HUDs that most cars have now.

user15026

11:34 PM

@Snowman Funny you should mention that, he is actually in school most of this week!

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