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Bob

12:08 AM

@JourneymanGeek was looking at these head-fi.org/products/sennheiser-cx-215-earphones-bronze

Journeyman Geek

They look solid.

Bob

"the pilots failed to apply correct procedure for unreliable airspeed." This is a good candidate for 'aviation understatement of the century.' The pilots failed to apply correct procedure for flying an airplane. — reirab 3 hours ago

@JourneymanGeek Will be available locally for ~$35 this afternoon.

Hm.

Well, better than $195 shipping :P

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: Clearly

blah. I can't decide how to lay out my budget

(Lets see. I have spending money. I have fixed expenses (Baen monthly bundle and my phone bill). I'm still not sure how long I go between farecard topups.)

Which I really need to keep track of, rather than just taking out the money from the cash stash.

Bob

12:29 AM

heh

Journeyman Geek

12:51 AM

ugh. service for checking my transport card sent me a OTP

my phone was off ;p

DragonLord

1:04 AM

@JourneymanGeek Gotta love two-factor authentication

What you know is your password

What you have is your phone

HackToHell

1:18 AM

@allquixotic There were no .tmp files

Journeyman Geek

It isn't really tfa. Its a way to prevent anonymous accounts, since we don't have really anonymous sims

DragonLord

2

A: What medium should be used for long term, high volume, data storage (archival)?

Short answer There's currently no failproof and scientifically proven way to guarantee 30+ years of cold data archival. But some projects are aiming to do that like the Rosetta Disks project of the Long Now museum, although they are still very costly and with a low data density (about 50 MB). I...

OMG

Sub-200 rep user posts genuinely exemplary answer.

This needs a bounty.

DragonLord

1:37 AM

Outstanding answer! This needs far more upvotes. — DragonLord 12 mins ago

Psycogeek

Donno he said bwuray was a useful cold storage ? people who thought that a good idea when it first came out, lost a lot of data.

DragonLord

@Psycogeek Good-quality media (archival-grade discs) would be a good solution.

Psycogeek

he condemens hard disk for thier know life, but fails to acknowlege that in "cold" storage the biggest problem is not loosing the magnetics or the drive failing over time, but the motor locking up from lack of use :-)

DragonLord

Recording layers made of pure gold aren't subject to the sort of degradation ordinary discs suffer from, which use silver or materials that do degrade over time.

The shelf life of a normal, non-archival optical disc under reasonable storage conditions is about 10-15 years in my experience.

Psycogeek

He says you cant test stuff, but if it is on a couple of HDs you can certannly test that 10times faster, and when the next media comes along, you can ge it off it 10 times faseter.

I have a cold storage room i can actually get you copies of stuff from before 1986 :-) but it sure as heck wont be a 1-1 copy because 90% of it is analog. I can make you a copy that looks about 99.9% the same as it did though :-)

DragonLord

2:00 AM

One of the studies he quotes says that Verbatim UltraLife media are among the best

Psycogeek

The DVD though most of it indeed acts like it will live another 20 years, but much of it is beginning to de-laminate. the storage room is de-humidified and cooled, but there is still oxygen :-( bloody stuff make everything organic

The quality of the medias glue , assembly the plastics , cannot be "accelerated tested" much like the bloody paints they sell us which should be able to be accelerated UV tested, that still do not survive well outdoors in the sun for 1/4th the time they claim.

I can show you films that were from 1960's and some before, that will still play today, Falling apart at every glue and tape joint made in them to edit. :-) the single solid piece of extrude is still alive, but easily broken, but all the things used to hold it together make them a total pain.

I just tested my earliest SD card a 32mb :-) i figure it is ~20 years, the data is still there, but i couldnt compare it bit-bit to be sure.

DragonLord

2:20 AM

Had a very old 4 GB PATA hard drive, WD Caviar 3.5-inch desktop

Hooked it up to my old desktop (which happened to have a PATA port) and managed to read all data off the drive

This was done a few years ago, and the data now resides on my flash drive as well as on an external hard drive

Psycogeek

Yea old 40gigs and all would act like the data wasnt going anywhere. the data density was sooo low on them compared to today.

The HDs are open air , via a tiny little hole that is filtered (as we al know) so moisture could ingress. that is why i didnt understand why they had not yet made some sealed ones. although they can be put back in a static bag, with an oxygen adsorber and should work fine.

Here is another odd one, shipped dvds , and they were shattered in transport, never seen such a thing, the box was in the usual shape one would expect after a transport, , the dvds were in boxes to protect them. It was not even that cold. it was the same media that i had used and shipped at other times .

While a HD can claim many Gs of shock, some specific models are known to (how to say it) pop thier motor axel out of axis, but other than that , i wonder how many be it aluminum or glass ceramic have had that kind of demise from rought transports.

Journeyman Geek

heh. Looking at his answers, looks like he's a real storage geek.

Bob

2:48 AM

@DragonLord You don't need gold.

DragonLord

@Bob That's what most archival-grade discs use.

Verbatim's solution takes it a step further and combines it with a conventional silver layer for compability.

Bob

Silver isn't really typical either.

Silver does tarnish, but it doesn't degrade over time.

The tarnishing stops at the surface layer.

Same with aluminium.

Discs that degrade do so because they use organic dyes.

Pressed discs do not degrade in that fashion.

Psycogeek

"Suppose the Vikings stored data on blu-ray disks; what are the odds we'd have the knowledge how to interpret that data now" well if it is that important I will get my chisel out :-)

Bob

The use of gold is primarily a marketing ploy.

Speaking of - silver sealed in plastic wouldn't tarnish anyway. Nor would any other metals corrode.

They have nothing to react with.

Organic dye compounds, on the other hand... those are comparatively fragile.

Journeyman Geek

Yup. Tho... @Bob IIRC pressed disks seem to have other failure modes apparently

The reflective layer flaking off?

Psycogeek

2:59 AM

@Bob yea most store bought disks have held up in time better than dye change disks. But people were saying that some of the early blu-ray disks that were glass mastered did not last time. I figure Facebooks blu-ray machine at least has no humans touching them .

Journeyman Geek

ugh. This is well written perl and I don't get quite what it does

Psycogeek

But really what would facbook know about archives? they only ~10 years old even.

DragonLord

The analog LaserDisc format has proven to be particularly prone to the reflective layer failing resulting in increasing grain and noise in the image and sound over time, and these are pressed discs

Journeyman Geek

Its analog tho. There's also probably much more robust error correction in modern drives

DragonLord

The principle is the same for digital optical media. The reflective layer will fail, it's just a matter of how long. Gold layers last much longer than ordinary aluminum or silver layers.

Yes, the dye is part of this as well, but good dyes can last a long time.

Psycogeek

3:05 AM

uncompressed analog gets an error, you see a blip, highly compresses digital gets 1 bit wrong and you (could) get a unreadable mess until the next keyframe. sooo realiability would be to have uncompressed unencrypted digital. then a blip is still a blip.

DragonLord

Archival optical discs are also typicaly designed with hardened protective layers to better withstand physical damage.

Journeyman Geek

man, I need to learn perl

@Psycogeek: but digital information almost always contains some sort of ECC.

@DragonLord: the original DVD spec had those. They ended up removing those to save costs.

DragonLord

Community members: Just watch this question, I gotta go to bed soon

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Journeyman Geek

theverge.com/2015/2/3/7974759/windows-rt-is-dead

Psycogeek

3:22 AM

lack of touchbased apps? and just when i was hoping for a 5 fingered touch version of Halo.

Journeyman Geek

Would need to be a metro/modern/windows store UI app tho ;p

Psycogeek

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Q: When are bad sectors a sign of normal "wear and tear" of a computer hard drive?

On September 7 2010, during a windstorm, my office experienced multiple electrical events which we were aware of only because we could see fluorescent lights flicker for moments throughout the day. On several occasions, one or two computers would shut down or restart during a flickering event. A...

hard-drive

speaking of data integrity

Oh this is just another insurance policy that never intended to pay anything to anyone at any time.

they should just tell the truth when they get on the stand. "your honor we only sell the policy, as you can see in the fine print it does not cover anything"

Journeyman Geek

and eh, 5 years is on the tail end of what I'd use any hardware as a primary.

Psycogeek

3:38 AM

"The insurance policy covers data and software lost due to "electromagnetic injury" caused by (1) Blackout or brownout; (2) Transients, spikes, surges and other power failure; and (3) Airport security check, and radio or telephone line interference;" "

Journeyman Geek

It would depend on where in asia, and the connection. And whether the cables were eaten by sharks. We've been having high latency between us and our HQ in london cause the fibre optic cable between us was severed. — Journeyman Geek ♦ 15 secs ago

Psycogeek

And research through the years would show that those specific items would not specifically cause "electromagnetic injury" so the policy was designed with great thought to cover nothing.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Are you allowed to post it? :P

DragonLord

@Psycogeek Smart money—until you're sued for fraud :P

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: Shark eating the cables is public knowledge. I'm super vague about where I work there ;p

If anyone asks, I'll just say Its the big VFX company in Buena Vista ;p

Psycogeek

3:46 AM

When buying a used car , the dude was trying to sell me a insurance policy that would , in his words "make sure i was covered for anything that could go seriously wrong" and end up making the used car cost much higher. I read the policy from end to end, and it only covered if the engine or transmission fell out while driving down the freeway. I started quizzing the guy about how the policy would cover Anything the salesperson had represented.

By the time i got done the guy was Red faced screaming at me at the top of his lungs untill a gathering of other sales people showed up in the office, asking if he wanted the police.

Journeyman Geek

(The sandcrawler is somewhere near my workplace ;p)

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I was referring to the Perl script :P

Psycogeek

All i was saying, (very calmly) was the paperwork does not say it covered , what he kept saying it would. and if he would like to put his Words in writing.

Journeyman Geek

oh, no

Its SEP anyway.

(Someone elses problem)

DragonLord

@Psycogeek Misrepresentation.

Misrepresentation

This article is about a legal term. For the sociological one, see Misrepresentation (sociology). Misrepresentation is a concept in the contract law of England and some other Commonwealth countries, referring to a false statement of fact made by one party to another party, which has the effect of inducing that party into the contract. For example, under certain circumstances, false statements or promises made by a seller of goods regarding the quality or nature of the product that the seller has may constitute misrepresentation. A finding of misrepresentation allows for a remedy of rescission and...

Bob

3:53 AM

>
Important messages about items in your Cart:

1 item in your Saved Items has changed price.

CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD PFC Sinewave UPS 1500VA 900W PFC Compatible Mini-Tower has decreased from $188.94 to $188.41

Gee... thanks?

@JourneymanGeek Ok, not getting the Sennheisers - they're not a headset :\

(no mic, no controls)

Psycogeek

The problem in the US is in a courtroom Nothing he said when selling the item would make a lick of differance in the courtroom, only the paperwork as signed. And if i had recorded him without his knowelege that is not legal either.

I think that is basically a wrong thing the judges easily rely on to solve cases. i had a witness that could (somewhat) reflect the "trade agreement" he was selling at the time.

He had actually added the policy to the price of the car, along with 2 other Iffy items , and was trying to pass this whole array of items (including the needed ones) as just the general transaction for any used car sale anywhere.

I did end up with the car, and saved $1200 (of a total of 10K) from being added to the price. Had to sign only one thing that said i specifically refused , and would deal with that item myself.

After i looked them up on the web, and . . . well i should have done that before showing up :-)

Journeyman Geek

4:42 AM

and... its my problem, and I think I fixed it

XKCD

6:16 AM

If you click on the post, it takes you to search results for the note on various online music stores.

Hennes

6:30 AM

I would call/SMS every new song. "Hi. Are you really listening to that music?"

Lets see who gets bored first.

Bob

@Hennes s/song/note/

Hennes

Ok, NOTEd ;-)

Journeyman Geek

People do that on irc. Shortly before being kickbanned

Psycogeek

6:49 AM

@Hennes they already do that :-) so i am guessing that wasnt funny, although it was just as insane

Psycogeek

7:05 AM

youtube.com/results?search_query=Taiwanese+TransAsia+Airways+ dash cams and everyone with a cam nowdays. live footages of things that were previously just talked about (in the news). changes perspective.

Journeyman Geek

7:35 AM

Is that the plane crash?

Psycogeek

the latests taiwan tumble

Psycogeek

9:39 AM

-2

Q: Files Not transferred through Network. Empty folder

I placed some files in a folder and placed that folder in a folder on a server on my university. When my teacher checked my folder, the folder was empty. I still have the files but my teacher wont accept my work until i can provide proof that it was a fault in the server. A little help guys: Is ...

file-server

Hmm sounds like a "Homework Question" :-) my server ate my homework.

Journeyman Geek

10:42 AM

man. Ever have one of those days you just felt dead on your feet?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I don't think I've ever fed dead on my feet, no...

Journeyman Geek

*felt

Bob

I don't think I've ever fed dead at all, tbh

:P

But, yea. Happens.

Then when it's actually time to sleep you can't.

Urgh.

@JourneymanGeek Planning to buy this one

Any opinion? :P

Journeyman Geek

At work XD

model/price?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek MEelec M-Duo, 35 USD + 7 USD postage.

Comes to about 52 AUD.

(~56 SGD)

Journeyman Geek

10:48 AM

ooh

Looks good for the price

Tempted to get the latest HIB

(and I can afford it now XD)

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ...it's $1

-_-

@JourneymanGeek wait isn't it almost 7? O_O

Journeyman Geek

12 for everything

I mean the starwars one ;p

Bob

ah

Journeyman Geek

Oh, I work 10-7ish

Amusingly we end earlier if our boss is around ;p

I should probably leave XD. Its 7, but yanno, no one wants to be the first to leave XD

Bob

11:05 AM

@JourneymanGeek my boss leaves a bit before me

always :P

Journeyman Geek

My boss isn't in today ;p. And he's usually like "ITS 7, WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE????"

Bob

@JourneymanGeek pretty much :P

> OOO Manage your online account with confidence
knowing you're protected with
enhanced security and VeriSign.

> Allow example.com to run "Adobe Flash"?

...

!!no

"security"

11:06 AM

"Adobe Flash"

Journeyman Geek

I am looking forward to ditching flash

Bob

@JourneymanGeek It's required to log in -____-

To even laod the login screen.

Journeyman Geek

ow

Bob

The worst part?

The actual login screen uses bog-standard HTML elements

Journeyman Geek

and flash is pretty badly supported on linux

Bob

11:08 AM

I... what.

Oliver Salzburg

What do you guys name the first user on a new Windows installation if it's a system you're setting up for someone else?

Journeyman Geek

XD. Prolly when I get home.

@OliverSalzburg: Admin . Then I set up a regular user account for them under their name,

If its mine or a shared box, its 'geek'

Bob

@OliverSalzburg Usually their name :P

Oliver Salzburg

@JourneymanGeek Sounds great. Will do

Bob

My test VMs usually have a user named user with the password pass

Oliver Salzburg

11:09 AM

@Bob Yeah, but they're not supposed to be admin

Bob

(Yes, that's literally the password. No, I don't care about the password.)

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: my VMs tend to have a user called playerone ;p

Oliver Salzburg

You should have seen this machine before I re-installed it O____O

Bob

@JourneymanGeek This works better at work :P

Journeyman Geek

@OliverSalzburg: Might be worth investing in backups ;p

Bob

11:10 AM

@OliverSalzburg Name it with their name anyway and remove admin privs after the fact.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: taking away admin privs from regular users is prolly the smartest thing ever

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Not when you're their techsupport

then they bug you for every little installation

!!nothanks

ChatBot John Cavil

@Bob You kiss-ass

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: THEY BUG ME ANYWAY.

Bob

uhhhhhh

Journeyman Geek

11:11 AM

;p

Bob

!!info nothanks

ChatBot John Cavil

@Bob Command nothanks does not exist.

Bob

O_O

Journeyman Geek

(and hell, I don't even get paid for that any more.)

Bob

I... uh...

@allquixotic THERE ARE GREMLINS IN THE BOT

Psycogeek

11:19 AM

wacks john chatbot upside the head , says there fixed it

Oliver Salzburg

@Bob I went with "Admin". I'll create a separate account for the user

Psycogeek

If the bot doesnt shape up, start using the word re-install, he hates loosing his accrued memories (again).

HackToHell

11:37 AM

glnext o0 schedule.gdconf.com/session/…

Psycogeek

12:28 PM

shouldn't there only be one revision of a program with perfect in the title? Word perfect 10, does that mean the first one was just so so. Perfect disk 12.5 , was 1-12 imperfect? final cut pro 10, so i guess the first one was rough edit?

If i get "the last smartphone you will ever need" will i be able to get a battery for it?

(15 years later)

That Brazilian Guy

12:52 PM

Why is this room so silent lately?

Psycogeek

We are waiting for you to say something.

That Brazilian Guy

Oh, why didn't you say so?

SOMETHING

Now, everyone, quick, get back to chat!

HackToHell

JMG has a job

that's why ;p

That Brazilian Guy

@allquixotic has a job and he ~~stays~~ used to stay here pretty often

Damn, I have a job :P

Journeyman Geek

Lol

I pop in at work!

And... SW Humble bundle acquired :)

Bob

1:03 PM

@JourneymanGeek I tend to ~~wait until the last day~~ completely forget and miss it :(

Journeyman Geek

lol

I tend to get bundles early or late if there's no interesting 'fixed' price

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I haven't even looked at the games from the last 5 or so bundles I bought.

Journeyman Geek

I try to play at least one of them

That Brazilian Guy

I bought so many bundles I had to start a spreadsheet to track them all +_+"

And I have no hardware to play nearly 99% of the games x_x

So I stopped buying any bundles, no matter how cheap they are

Now I play games mostly on my console (or phone, but low storage space sucks)

Oh @JourneymanGeek you have a Moto G, right? Did you root it?

Journeyman Geek

@ThatBrazilianGuy: nope

Its stock

That Brazilian Guy

1:14 PM

One of the big pluses of rooting it would be being able to use the external SD to move the entirety of the apps to the SD using apps like play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.buak.Link2SD or play.google.com/store/apps/…

Journeyman Geek

heh, my PC is my current vice ;p

@ThatBrazilianGuy: what external SD? ;p

Bob

@ThatBrazilianGuy Most HiB games aren't that demanding.

Journeyman Geek

(actually I've probably got a year's worth of upgrades to plan)

Bob

Ah. What was that saying?

3

That Brazilian Guy

@JourneymanGeek I have a Moto G 4G, it's nearly the same as the Moto G 1st gen, except it's 1 less SIM card, 1 extra SD slot, and, duh, 4G support.

Bob

1:17 PM

@ThatBrazilianGuy Huh, they added an SD slot?

Journeyman Geek

and a bigger screen IIRC

@ThatBrazilianGuy: oh the dual sim is a asia/brazil thing

I don't use it ;p

@Bob: My mom's been nagging me months before I interviewed not to spend too much money when I get a job

That Brazilian Guy

I hate the ridiculous "move to SD" feature of stock android. A 300 MB game moves 9MB to SD and 290 MB stays on the data or obb internal folders. SO USEFUL!

Journeyman Geek

so I'll be using the same 300 dollar a month I have so far for stuff like this ;p

That Brazilian Guy

@Bob microSD, actually. On the 4G edition, yes.

Bob

@ThatBrazilianGuy Was that after Google dropped it? :P

Journeyman Geek

1:19 PM

(and probably blog it. Even if I'm not likely a good enough blogger that people send me free stuff to review ;p)

@Bob: before

Bob

Google and their bloody cloud... yea, no thanks.

I use my SD to cache Spotify music offline.

Journeyman Geek

._.

Psycogeek

I quit bothering with the lack of applications space, and organised the "games" and things in folders on the home screen, to Install at will. and remove when done.

Bob

@ThatBrazilianGuy Though that's because the game fucked up.

Speaking of, technically there's the facility to install resources to the SD at install time.

Not many apps use that.

That Brazilian Guy

@Bob My only PC is a 2008 toshiba laptop w/ AMD Athlon 64 X2 mobile processor and non-dedicated graphics :(

Journeyman Geek

1:21 PM

@ThatBrazilianGuy: >_>

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Eh...

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: Its bizzare ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek That's still more than my monthly RandomCrap (TM) budget.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: Oh, that's my 'everything but the phone' funds

Bob

Not that I ever follow the budget. One month, way over. The next few, close to nothing :P

That Brazilian Guy

1:22 PM

@Bob Nearly all of the "big" android games (the ones where you get a "this app is really big, download it on wifi only" alert) will install first a "base" content and then an "extra files", those are usually download on the data folder or obb folder

Journeyman Geek

and I've rarely spent all 300 dollars of my allowance

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Ah. Add food and transport and mine probably goes above that.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: I rarely eat out, but transport is probably going to be a big chunk of that

Bob

And transport is going to be 20% more expensive this year -_-

Journeyman Geek

and don't forget, the 3 month rule ;p

I'll be putting aside whatever's left of that 300, for potential stuff, but I may end up changing my mind

That Brazilian Guy

1:24 PM

7 mins ago, by Bob

I'm in the middle tier. I demand money (and energy)!!!

Journeyman Geek

This month I'm shooting for sub 150 dollars total

Bob

Hm.

Now you have me wondering what the average wage in Singapore is :P

That Brazilian Guy

But seriously now; as I kid I envied all my friends who could buy neat consoles. Now I got a job and bought consoles, I have the money but not the time. ;_;

Bob

Oh, median ~5.6k SGD monthly.

That Brazilian Guy

I bought an Xbox 360, a Wii and a DS (all used), the Xbox came with 40+ games, that was more than an year ago, I have played... 3 games ._.

Bob

1:26 PM

Average ~7.5k

Average for IT ~7k.

Hm.

Where do they get this info from? o.O (salaryexplorer.com/salary-survey.php?loc=196&loctype=1)

No sources cited, great.

Psycogeek

salery exploiter? your source for outsource :-)

That Brazilian Guy

> Average and Median Monthly Salary Comparison in Brazil

Maximum: 60,000 BRL
Average: 10,881 BRL
Median: 7,500 BRL
Minimum: 833 BRL

Bob

Hm. Aus is surprisingly similar to Sgp: salaryexplorer.com/salary-survey.php?loc=13&loctype=1

But Sgp's max is ridiculously high... something's iffy with that number.

80k monthly? :S

Wait, why is there even a reported max?

Hm. Aus IT is actually slightly above country average, while Sgp IT is slightly below.

(again subject to inaccuracy of whatever the source of this data is)

That Brazilian Guy

Source: Official government census 2010 censo2010.ibge.gov.br/sinopse/index.php?dados=P21&uf=00

(I just made the pie chart in LibreOffice)

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: eh, numbers don't look right ;p

Bob

1:37 PM

@JourneymanGeek shrug I don't know! :P

That Brazilian Guy

So, in 2010, half of the country earned between 0.5 and 2 times the minimum wage

Bob

You tell me!

Journeyman Geek

Yup

OFFICIAL 'minimum wage' here is ~1000

IT gets paid 7 grand on average? Really?

My brother earns ~1000 more than I do

(Engineer, close to a decade of experience)

Bob

@JourneymanGeek That's why you need to look at medians.

Journeyman Geek

I CLEARLY should just be a farmdog.

It pays better

wait. What farms?

That Brazilian Guy

1:40 PM

How much does it pay per hour to flip burgers in the US? Hmm... glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/McDonald-s-Hourly-Pay-E432.htm

Journeyman Geek

(oh, and I can't touch 20% of my wages except to buy a house or shares until I'm 60ish)

Bob

@ThatBrazilianGuy You'd have to ask @Psycogeek or @allquixotic (not that they have personal experience, but they're much closer) - I remember seeing figures of $8 and $10 /hr?

Would depend on the state, too.

Journeyman Geek

yup

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Average here for IT is probably closer to 5.5k/month

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: 5K with experience sounds sane

Bob

1:43 PM

Though, problem is IT is generally lumped under "Professionals" for awards and censuses: abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Latestproducts/…

That Brazilian Guy

The other day I saw a guy in reddit saying he just laughed and walked away at an IT offer of USD 15 / hour. Something mostly basic IIRC.
Damn, if I could earn USD 15 / hour I'd quit my current job, I make about USD 5/hour here ;___;

Psycogeek

@ThatBrazilianGuy not enought to pay for an apartment , but certannly enough to eat there after

Bob

That's actually a fair bit under the 6.5k/month overall average for 2014: abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/6302.0

That Brazilian Guy

Of course, I'd have to earn USD 15 / hour but keep all my costs in BRL :P

Bob

wherever that other site got their data from, it's wrong :P

Journeyman Geek

1:44 PM

@ThatBrazilianGuy: actualllly....

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I'd expect Singapore to be somewhat similar, but I have no clue where to look for your census data.

@ThatBrazilianGuy Ya, cost of living...

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: neither do I XD

Bob

Housing prices went crazy the last few years here :\

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: they're pretty crazy here at the moment

Bob

600 sq. m land + house was about 1mil two-three years ago

Journeyman Geek

1:45 PM

I'm hoping it rationalises by the time I buy an apartment

Bob

It's about 3-4mil now.

@JourneymanGeek Same.

That Brazilian Guy

@Bob USD 1 million houses in Brazil and in the rest of the world: estamosricos.com.br/2015/01/…

Bob

@ThatBrazilianGuy I can't read that -_-

That Brazilian Guy

Journeyman Geek

I can't buy a house

That Brazilian Guy

1:47 PM

@Bob just look at the images

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Sydney's traditionally been very sprawly.

Journeyman Geek

I'll likely get a small apartment, public housing, and in the arse end of nowhere

Bob

Most of Aus has.

Journeyman Geek

The place I live in is super central

(pretty much just outside the city)

Bob

Houses were normal unless you're smack bang in the middle of the CBD.

@ThatBrazilianGuy What's the size of the top one?

3 bedroom?

Yea, you're looking at 2-3 mil here.

Minimum.

That's before renovation.

Adjusted for the recent AUD drop, that's about 1.5-2 mil USD.

That Brazilian Guy

1:50 PM

;___;

@Bob yep

Bob

Five years ago, it would've been 500k-1mil.

That's about 30 mins from the CBD by road or train.

If you're happy with an hour away... I'm guessing maybe 75% that price.

If you want to live about 2 hours away (hard to say it's Sydney anymore, but we are one of the sprawliest cities in the world...)... then you're talking "cheap" houses.

Even that rose crazily.

I remember back in 2007... 300k? About an hour away.

Now? No idea, really. I'm guessing at least 700k.

Oh, no. More like 400-500.

So they haven't risen as crazily out there.

Psycogeek

@Bob that being in the large city (sydney)? which would be similar to trying to buy a house in the middle of SanFrancisco. prices being double for the same basic thing as the outlying suburbs, droping 1/2 again for the cheaper suburbs , further from the $$$ work. and again another 1/2 for living in the middle of a swamp

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Urban Sydney is approx twice the area of Singapore... I'm not sure what your super central would translate to :P

As I was saying, crazy sprawl :P

Include rural areas that count as "Sydney"? That's another 7.5x bigger O_O

In any other country, they'd be separate cities and towns...

Actually, I'm not even sure what defines the city.

The LGA "City of Sydney" is only ~25 sq. km.

That Brazilian Guy

a ~~50k~~ 70k USD house in a brazillian poor neighborhood vs one in Rotterdam, Netherlands: estamosricos.com.br/2014/09/um-casa-em-cosmos-no-rio-ou-um.html

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: 10-15 minutes from the city centre? ;p

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