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The average temperatures of Canada vary across the country; the table below shows the temperature of various cities across Canada. The table can be reordered by clicking on the box in each column. {| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" |- ! style="background: #CCCCCC;" |City ! style="background: #99CCCC;" |January(Avg. Low °C) ! style="background: #99CCCC;" |January(Avg. High °C) ! style="background: #D99898;" |July(Avg. Low °C) ! style="background: #D99898;" |July(Avg. High °C) |- | style="text-align:left; background: #F2F2F2;" |Winnipeg, MB | style="background: #E6F2F2;"...

daviesgeek

7:08 PM

@Flack what is the temperature in the Central Valley?

FlackBot

The temperature in the Central Valley is currently undefined degrees C.

daviesgeek

@Flack what is the temperature in modesto ca

FlackBot

The temperature in modesto ca is currently 25 degrees C.

daviesgeek

@Flack What is the temperature in Turlock Ca in Fahrenheit?

FlackBot

The temperature in Turlock Ca in Fahrenheit is currently undefined degrees C.

jrg

7:10 PM

@MarcoCeppi It's what should be default in 12.04, maybe 12.10.

@daviesgeek oh really? Cool!

Marco Ceppi

@jrg Then OSX beat us to it :P

jrg

Noo! MPT must save us!

daviesgeek

MPT?

jrg

Invent a time machine, go back in time and then beat OS X to our own design.

daviesgeek

:-)

jrg

7:12 PM

MPT - Matthew Paul Thomas, one of the big Ubuntu peoples. :)

daviesgeek

Ah...

jrg

@daviesgeek: Nice question here - apple.stackexchange.com/questions/19121/…

daviesgeek

Thanks.

jrg

Applescript? People still use that? :P

daviesgeek

I use it "all" the time.

jrg

7:20 PM

Cool! Ubuntu doesn't have anything that nice.

Unfortunately. :(

Marco Ceppi

Applescript is like Bash for Ubuntu

daviesgeek

It's pretty powerful, for pseudo code.

@MarcoCeppi not quite.

OS X has bash.

jrg

Except Applescript is more like pseudo code than bash is.

daviesgeek

Right.

Marco Ceppi

Could just use python :) <3

jrg

7:21 PM

Go Ruby? ;)

daviesgeek

Applescript doesn't have as steep as learning curve.

It uses plain english

E.g.

Tell application "Finder" to quit

-- Quits the Finder

Marco Ceppi

killall -9 nautilus

-- Nautilus killed with fire

daviesgeek

:-)

What's the -9 flag? (I forgot)

Marco Ceppi

It's the SIGKILL

daviesgeek

As opposed to just

jrg

7:23 PM

See, it's all about preferences. If you're going to try and do anything fancy, bash is the way to go, if you're trying to do plain and simple stuff, applescript works just fine. :)

daviesgeek

killall nautilus

Sorry, I use an alias for killall

Marco Ceppi

Well you can killall nautilus, that will kill -15 which is the nice quit

jrg

And the nice quit doesn't always work.

daviesgeek

Ah, must remember to use the -9 flag

Marco Ceppi

It's the difference between "Hey, you need to stop what you're doing. Clean up and close" and a headshot with no text.

jrg

7:24 PM

BOOM.

daviesgeek

Right!

:-)

daviesgeek

7:37 PM

@jrg Have you been going through my questions?

jrg

@daviesgeek :)

Yes, I was.

You asked some good ones.

daviesgeek

Thanks

jrg

You're welcome.

daviesgeek

I was wondering what happened...my rep points just jumped

jrg

Well, you deserve it. Also made me realize that I should be on apple.se more often.

daviesgeek

7:45 PM

Yes you should!

We've got a lot of good questions.

That spark good discussion.

jrg

Well, not so sure about the discussion part - I tend to be pretty polarizing when it comes to discussions on SE. :)

daviesgeek

Well, discussion in chat...

jrg

Ah ok.

daviesgeek

And a little discussion on questions

Just curious...Are you not in school?

jrg

I'm homeschooled. So, yes.

You?

daviesgeek

7:58 PM

Homeschooled!!!!!

Go homeschooling!!!!

jrg

Haha sweet! high fives

daviesgeek

yeah!

Just guessing...do you have a big fam?

jrg

Family of 6 yeah. You?

daviesgeek

we are 10 total

jrg

By modern standards I'm in a big family. By homeschooling standards, we're tiny. :D

daviesgeek

8:12 PM

Yeah!!

jrg

Hehe.

I've honestly never met another homeschooler on SE. :P

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Homeschooling

Proposed Q&A site for homeschoolers of all kinds and those who have questions or want to know more.

Currently in definition.

daviesgeek

8:32 PM

So, another guess, are you a Christian?

jrg

Another correct guess. You seem to know a lot about me from my SE profile. ;)

Alex Angas

Sorry to butt in, but does anyone know how to change room topic?

jrg

Yeah @AlexAngas.

Room info (top right), then you'll see edit buttons next to the room topic and room name.

Alex Angas

Oh OK that makes sense. I was trying /topic but of course this isn't IRC :)

Thanks @jrg

jrg

No problem @AlexAngas.

daviesgeek

8:50 PM

I didn't guess that from your SE profile.

jrg

Oh? :P

daviesgeek

I made an educated guess: big homeschooling family...

I seem to remember that our church has a sister church in Ohio. What church do you go to?

Whoa, just looked at AD chat: Missed 56 chats!

daviesgeek

9:32 PM

@jrg You still there?

jrg

@daviesgeek Yeah, sorry. Got sidetracked into a project for a client.

daviesgeek

What do you do?

jrg

I go to church at a mission work - we're not officially a church yet.

I was working on a HTML bug that I suddenly had an idea as to how to fix it.

daviesgeek

Ah...

You code?

jrg

Yup.

daviesgeek

9:35 PM

HTML? PHP?

Javascript?

jrg

Ruby.

daviesgeek

Websites?

jrg

(I don't count HTML/CSS - that's markup)

Yup.

daviesgeek

How do you use Ruby for a site?

jrg

Use a web framework. I use Rails.

daviesgeek

9:37 PM

Cool!

I don't know much about that type of web programming.

jrg

Web programming is an interesting beast. Some prefer PHP, others prefer django.

daviesgeek

I "work" for a web programmer

Actually I intern.

jrg

oh really?

daviesgeek

And I code in PHP.

Ack! Hate timeouts!

It didn't like my comment on timeouts; it gave me a timeout!!

jrg

lol.

daviesgeek

9:40 PM

Anyhow, I am in the process of learning PHP. I'm not at all proficient in PHP, but I'm getting there.

Do you have an example of your coding?

jrg

yeah, hangon a minute and i'll link you.

daviesgeek

Ok.

jrg

growing-waterfall-126.heroku.com - nowhere near being finished.

daviesgeek

Very cool!

Did you do that all yourself?

jrg

Yup.

daviesgeek

9:49 PM

Ah...so lucky!

I haven't got quite to that point yet.

I probably could struggle through it and do something like that

but not too easily...

jrg

It's not that hard with rails.

PHP, unless you're using a framework, it probably is harder.

daviesgeek

Yeah.

jrg

I'll let you in on a secret that sounds dumb:

The best way to learn programming (period) is to go out with an idea, and not to stop until it's finished.

daviesgeek

yup

Yeah, that sounds like a good secret

jrg

10:08 PM

If I've learned anything, it's not from tutorials, it's from what I do on my own breaking existing programs.

(and writing my own)

daviesgeek

Well, I am trying to get my site working again so I can show it to you....

jrg

Which one? your blog?

daviesgeek

Nope

msdavies.x10.mx

At one point, the "Comments" link worked.

jrg

Not bad!

daviesgeek

It had something similar to your site.

Without the editing feature.

....And the Youtube bar is broken.

jrg

10:10 PM

shrug it's good enough to give me an idea of what you're aiming for.

daviesgeek

I coded it last summer.

Everything except the Javascript to make the pages fade in/out

jrg

Ever thought about CoffeeScript?

daviesgeek

No...what is it?

jrg

It's a way to write something that's higher level than JS, then get it compiled into JS.

daviesgeek

Hmm..

Never heard of it...

goes and Googles it

jrg

10:13 PM

It's big in the Ruby community. I haven't really dug into it, I'm trying to learn normal JS before I dip into coffeescript.

daviesgeek

jquery.com

Have you ever used jQuery?

jrg

I've used jQ a few times.

I'm far from being proficient in it though.

daviesgeek

That's what the webmaster I intern with uses.

Does that even make sense?

jrg

makes sense. :)

daviesgeek

Good

I'd show you some of the sites I've been working on this summer, but the web programmer doesn't want me telling people about them...

They are special SEO-optimized sites

And the goal is to get our sites on page one

So, we don't want people knowing about them and messing with them, which will cause our results to be skewed.

jrg

10:22 PM

Hehe. Problems with working for a real company: You can't say anything.

daviesgeek

Well, technically we are a real company, but we are more a circle of friends.

When the project takes off, and we start seeing a lot of results, I'll let you know.

jrg

Sure thing. :)

daviesgeek

Who do you work for?

jrg

That's a good question.

Me mostly.

When i'm low on cash (like right now), I head over to the local startup incubator and do some work for a day or two.

daviesgeek

I wish I was being paid.

jrg

10:25 PM

I don't get payed much. $50, $20 there.

daviesgeek

In a year, year and a half, we will hopefully see some money.

Not that we don't right now.

jrg

I wish you luck. :)

daviesgeek

We make about $5 a day.

But since I'm not an employee yet, I don't get paid.

jrg

Get hired ASAP. Seriously.

daviesgeek

Yeah...

jrg

10:27 PM

Or a contract of some sort.

daviesgeek

If the project takes off, I have a guaranteed job.

jrg

something that says "Hey, I'm a employee of the company too!"

daviesgeek

Yeah...

Well, we don't want too much attention.

And a contract won't do much good for me, since I work on a week-to-week basis

If I have time, I work, if I don't, I don't

jrg

Yeah, true.

daviesgeek

I have about 10 minutes.

jrg

10:30 PM

Heading out?

daviesgeek

Yup, chiropractor appointment

Question about Ruby: How hard is it to learn?

jrg

cringes have fun with that.

Ruby isn't that hard.

daviesgeek

Well, since I sit at a computer almost all day, I need it!

jrg

You just have to get your head around the fact it isn't PHP.

(or Perl, or... whatever)

daviesgeek

How much PHP do you know?

jrg

10:33 PM

I followed a few "Hello world" tutorials. Then got introduced to Ruby/Rails by a friend, and haven't looked back.

(so almost none)

daviesgeek

Cool!

The other thing I am looking at as a potential job is video-editing.

jrg

OOOOOHHHHH... video editing. You might be interested in this project I'm doing then.... I'll see if I can get the client to give me permission to show you.

Do you have AIM/Google Talk?

daviesgeek

Yup.

@jrg Ok..

Sounds fun!

jrg

@daviesgeek Add me and then I can show you later (not now, since you've gotta leave) - I'm jrgiffordjames1 on AIM, jrgifford.james @ gmail.com for gtalk.

daviesgeek

GTG. TTYL

jrg

10:37 PM

K cya

daviesgeek

I'll leave this up.

I'm daviesgeek[at]gmail[dot]com

Full name?

Mine's Matthew Davies

jrg

James Gifford.