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3:18 AM
@MonicaCellio On my question about apologies.
Unless I swap my accept to @Andy's answer just to be a tease. ;)
 
3:37 AM
@AirThomas ah, interesting. I hadn't noticed that developing.
 
I think I'm going to do the first challenge starting on Thursday. It looks like the non-digital communities suggestion is in the lead, so get your thinking hats on everyone
One small change though - instead of weekly, I think biweekly may work better due to lower traffic. Thoughts?
 
@Andy that sounds good. Plus, we don't have a huge pile of topics queued up, so let's not burn through 'em in a few weeks and then have to start collecting again. Biweekly seems more our pace right now.
 
That's what I was thinking too. Hopefully we can get a few more ideas/posts in general
 
3:53 AM
Yup. By the way, any more word on a name change?
 
No. Sorry. I'll bug Pops again.
 
Thanks. I have no idea at what frequency it's appropriate to bug him about this, so I trust your judgement.
 
I'm trying to keep my annoyance factor to a minimum. So far I think I've been successful.
 
 
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4:15 PM
Thoughts on the [lexicon] tag in this question?
Seems like a bad precedent IMO.
 
4:37 PM
I was just looking at that question, but more because it seems overly broad to me.
On a related note, we have more than 200 questions now.
I don't think it's a lexicon/terminology question either. When I first read it, it seemed more like a request to clarify the operational differences between the three roles.
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@Andy yeah, I'd agree with that and I don't really think it is a beneficial tag
tags are more the lexicon themselves
 
4:53 PM
I don't find the question itself too broad. Only three roles are identified and each of them can be defined very concisely.
It's also limited in scope to web forums.
At least, implicitly.
But the tag reminds me of ELU's "find a word that means this" issues.
 
Want to post something on Meta about it so we can point to it later?
 
About the tag? It's only on one question, from a brand new user, doesn't seem worth a Meta discussion.
Oh - I just noticed that the edit is what created the tags. Duh... We're public, 1-rep users can't create tags.
@Andy I guess it's on you since you approved the suggestion to add the tag.
 
personally, I'd just nuke the tag and suggest that we should have a meta discussion about creating such a tag if we want it
 
(Speaking of roles, I think I'd do well as a professional buck-passer. ;)
 
it doesn't fit the traditional role of tags
 
5:11 PM
@AJHenderson Sounds good to me. I've removed the tag too
 
5:31 PM
I'm working on the topic for our first topic challenge. The first one is "non-digital communities". Any one have a good idea for an appropriate over arching tag to utilize for this? With nothing on the site related to this, it's a bit of a challenge (heh). We do have with one question. Any other suggestions?
We can also retag as appropriate after the challenge is over if we get new tags to utilize
 
5:43 PM
real life sounds about the best I can think of, but it feels overly broad if that actually takes off
 
If it takes off we may have enough material that we can narrow down some of the questions to more relevant tags
 
6:17 PM
Even though "real life" is an internet colloquialism that people generally understand as meaning "not on the internet," I'm not sure it's the tag we want to use. It feels inherently sarcastic.
What's wrong with "offline"?
I guess it would be obnoxious if we had to tag a majority of the questions on the site as either [online-communities] or [offline-communities].
But I am typing in real life. And we are all acutely aware that there is nothing "unreal" about being a moderator.
 
@AirThomas that is exactly the problem
the fact that it can apply so broadly makes it more of a meta tag
which are generally frowned on
 
@AJHenderson I think the breadth problem is distinct from the meta-tag problem.
The reason meta-tags tend to be broad is because they're not really concerned with the content of the question; [homework] on SO, for example, was only concerned with the context of the author and so it was hardly limited at all with respect to the the scope of the question.
But whether a community is online, offline, neither or both is potentially significant in determining what the question actually is and how to answer it.
Consider, "What should I do if someone in my community threatens to kill someone else?" tagged [online-communities] vs. tagged [offline-communities]
 
6:53 PM
So the breadth problem is more teasing out which questions actually need the tag, if any...
 
I'm not a fan of calling offline things "real", because it implies that online things aren't. Online communities don't exist in a specific place, but they're still real communities. I don't have a great suggestion though.
We should use an "offline" or "offline-communities" tag only when the question is specific to that setting, just as we don't tag other questions with reddit or irc or stack-exchange unless that's inherently part of the question.
 
7:11 PM
Would tagging something "offline-community" be appropriate for non-digital community questions? Our focus so far has been online communities and is assumed to be the default, unless otherwise stated.
 
If a question is about, say, how to get community buy-in for some change, then its online or offline status doesn't seem relevant. If, on the other hand, the question is about how to keep a couple dominant users from streamrolling over everybody else, then the fact that it's in-person matters a lot.
For the challenge, you can make a community-wiki answer and ask people to add links, if there's no single tag that would apply to all of them.
Also, I'm just thinking out loud here; I don't feel especially strongly about this.
 
@MonicaCellio That's the way I'd go. [weekly-challenge] or the like definitely would be a meta tag.
And restricting the challenges to things that can be described within individual legit tags seems like an unnecessary limitation.
 
7:40 PM
@AirThomas I've seen tag-based weekly challenges work on other sites, but it's probably not going to be a good fit here, at least not now with our current tag set. Rather than trying to jam tags into the tag set to fit current events, let's let tags evolve and meanwhile find other ways to manage the challenge.
 
I like the community wiki idea. I'll go with that for these first few and see how it works out.
 
@AirThomas that's fair I suppose
@MonicaCellio I always took real in real life in that context more like real estate
in that sense, Real Life is physical life, where as Online life isn't physical or tangible
 
Unrelated to above: I see how this question relates to given that mods are a subset of users. But aren't we using to mean, relationships between mods?
@AJHenderson Kind of a weird analogy, since real property for some reason refers only to land, not to all tangible property
 
@AirThomas true
though it is actually fixed property
 
7:55 PM
But, "real life" definitely has that aspect of physicality
OK, yes - land and improvements.
 
otherwise it is personal property as it isn't fixed
but I also have real estate on the brain atm
since I am in process of buying a house
 
@AirThomas I am on record as being opposed to that tag. Just sayin'. :-)
 
Ah yes, the 1800 sf place you mentioned?
@MonicaCellio I completely forgot that I was the author of that meta post. Ha!
 
> How should you handle a dying wiki, as a user?
Should I post that as a question? I'm a pretty regular user of a wiki that's getting pretty inactive lately
 
@Mateon1 It's a legitimate problem to ask about; I'd refine the question more before posting. Not a fan of "how to handle X" questions.
I'm off to a meeting.
 
8:01 PM
> What should I do, as a user of a dying wiki?
Is that better?
 
@AirThomas ah, forgot I had mentioned it
 
@Mateon1 I think the topic's fine. You'll want to talk about both the current state (user base, activity, scope, etc) and how it's been changing. Is it dying because you're losing your users or because it was a limited topic and they've said all they could say?
 
but yes
 
I must get back to work now. TTYL.
 
@Mateon1 depends, what color are you dying it?
 
8:02 PM
Later
 
Blue
Defenitely blue
 
(isn't English fun)
seriously though, I would try to atleast clarify objective
"what should I do" is very open ended
"how can I try to save" would narrow it, but would need more detail about the problems
but just "what should I" leaves open to add gas, abandon ship, advertise, contact old users, whatever
 
Okay, I'll change the main question
How should I tag it? I seem to be lacking tags and am unable to create my own ones
Eh, the only tag I can fit on it is wiki, I'll let one of you guys edit it later and add proper tags
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Q: How can I save a dying wiki, as it's user?

Mateon1I'm a semi-regular user of a game-related wiki, and I've noticed an extreme drop of activity after a sequel to the game came out. I hoped it was temporary occurrence, and we'd start to get users back on our wiki, but so far it's only getting more and more inactive. Right now the wiki is in extre...

 
8:24 PM
@Mateon1 Do you have a tag in mind that you think would be appropriate?
 
Not in mind, but I saw a couple questions about dying communities
I think there should be a tag for that, since we have more than one question about it now
 
is relevant
"save a dying site" is probably a combination of that and
depending on your goals for the community
 
8:39 PM
@Mateon1 it's user -> its user
 
Oh, yeah
I think it's its' user
 
@Mateon1 Never its'
The possessive form is simply its
 
Okay... I thought you had to use a posessive of its
I'm going to look on English.SE
 
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Q: Why doesn't "its" have an apostrophe?

endolithI know that its is the possessive and it's is the contraction, and know when to use them. But why doesn't the possessive have an apostrophe? "The bear's eating a fish." [contraction] "The bear's coat is brown." [possessive] "It's eating a fish." [contraction] "Its coat is brown." [possessive] ...

 
Okay, thanks
Sorry, I'm not natively English
 
8:54 PM
No need to apologize for that :)
 
9:05 PM
@Mateon1 most people that ARE natively English speakers still can't get it right
its hard ;)
(and yes it's intentionally wrong there)
 
Yes, IT IS (mumble mumble it's mumble mumble)
 
heck, I screw it up even though I know which is which if I'm not paying close attention
same for there and their, though I don't typically screw up they're
 
9:21 PM
For me when I type a contraction I think the whole thing in my head
For they're I think They are
 
yeah, that's why I don't have problems with that one
the trick with it's is that it makes me think of both the possessive and the contraction and unless I think of the contraction, I forget that it isn't the possessive
 

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