2:02 PM
I think what m59 is getting at is that both believing in God and believing that the world is here without the existence of a god takes faith, just in different ways
Taking a view that doesn't require a god is a theory, which cannot be proven and is not disprove yet. It has assumptions as the basis and you have to have faith in those assumptions and accept them, I'd argue blindly as you're trusting people you have never met and have not done the work yourself
7 hours ago, by
Awal Garg 1) (I can't phrase this one properly) What is the core root of people blindly believing in an unknown superficial bieng who goes against all common sense and material science?
2) What is the need of worshiping this bieng, whose existence is unconfirmed to me?
that's a terribly biased question that just shows your frustration and resistance to the idea
First off I hope you don't think we lack common sense and don't believe in science, we do
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We've thought about the questions you've had and have answered them in our own minds, all that we've said, granted we weren't simply making a mistake, have passed our mental checks of sanity and common sense
Secondly, we're not "blindly" believing anything. The question of God has been on my mind daily since probably around the age of 13 or so
Just like science does, we have some basic assumptions (which in our minds are not assumptions, they are 100% true and we know this because God has given us the His insight, making us more like Him) that have to be taken into account when considering our argument. It takes faith to believe in those assumptions, just as it does in science
One of the biggest differences between believing in a world without a God and a world with one is a question of pride and meaning
the entire argument of existence without God is one that breeds an, "I'm the superior being, I don't need anyone to explain anything to me" mentality
we, as humans, don't like to admit we're wrong nor do we like to ask for help or say, "I don't know"
the simple fact is that we cannot know everything about the universe
People will refute the existence of a God so that they can continue living without an ultimate purpose in life, being held accountable to no higher being so morality and such are thrown out of the window
People don't want to agree that there is a being infinitely more intelligent and powerful than themselves, we want to be right and to not rely on others
You may argue that you have a meaning in life - to enjoy it and to continue living while not harming others - but ultimately without a God and without an afterlife all pursuits are futile. We may have fun and be a good person now, but what does that matter?
I can work as hard as I possibly can to be "good", yet in the end what does it get me without a God?
People here might recognize, "oh he's a 'good' guy"
I might get a certain type of girl to like me because I act that way
but what if I died today?
what do I have to look forward to?
why did I do the things I did?
you can argue it's for the betterment of ages to come, but ultimately that doesn't matter as well
firstly because all of us will die, thus life continuing for all eternity (in our universe- outside of a heaven or something) is impossible
secondly because in the ultimate spectrum of things our life on this earth is incredibly short. Both in terms of the life of our universe and our effect on the earth as a whole
even the most influential of people that have existed (which probability says we will not be one), from Newton to Ceaser to Mother Theresa to Hitler etc. ultimately don't themselves matter to our existence
If they were removed our world would not be exactly the same, but that is true for every person
someone else would have been doing the same types of things that they were, most likely, just not in the exact same way
Since even the most influential people ultimately could be done without, the same goes for all of us
In response to 2) from above
I worship God because, knowing what I do about Him, I have no other desire than to do so
He has taken my broken human self that can do nothing but wallow in my own destitution and continually sin and redeemed me, giving me His own righteousness. For that I owe him my life and all of my efforts and I gladly give Him that daily, for He is my savior, father, and friend. I can talk to Him personally and I can hear back from Him, though not audibly
I can see that such an incredibly detailed and complex world cannot come about my random happenings and chance. Things are too intricate and detailed for it to happen without someone or something guiding it (this is a different topic altogether that we can discuss later if it's necessary)
God is what makes me content in whatever I'm doing, for I know that my worth is in Him, not in anything of myself. That's not to say that I should do nothing because it doesn't matter, quite the opposite - I want to be a good representation of Christ
To believe in all that we have said, the argument for God, is a beautiful thing. It gives us meaning, value, and guidance that are impossible to have otherwise
that's precisely the reason why we spend out time talking to people about what we believe - because if you find out how truly good and true this news is you could do nothing but do the same as us
Sorry for the wall of text :P
