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12:01 AM

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ saw a klak one yesterday featuring pcmaterrace

cantfinditnow

sad

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@LoganM not green text, didn't read.

@Eric murica

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12:17 AM

My lifes achievement

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Apr 24 at 1:13, by Logan M

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currently at 662

Nice

12:50 AM

That's my favorite optical illusion. It's easy to make, too.

Just need a light-dark grey gradient, and a middle-grey circle in each half.

@Eric life is frequently nothing but a checkered shadow illusion

o.o

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1:14 AM

0

Q: Why do Konoha have only 1 tailed beast?

While others have 2 considering 1st hokage distributed it to other villages. Doesn't make sense to give other villages to have advantage of having more power. I haven't read manga so have no clue if it's been addressed somewhere.

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2:38 AM

Isn't that common sense?

I mean, I'm pretty sure I've only met a handful of people above the age of 50 or so who were willing to admit that the way they had thought about something all their life wasn't necessarily the best way.

"Wisdom" is exactly the farce that older people who are set in their ways and unwilling to accept new advances somehow have meaningful things to teach us.

3:16 AM

0

Q: Where to watch one piece from?

I want to start watching One Piece again but don't wanna start from the begging. I know most of the begging where they assemble a crew and fight arlong, buggy, crocodile. I want to start at a point where all the big badass characters like Ace and WhiteBeard are involved while still knowing whats ...

3:50 AM

has anything good come out yet this season?

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5:53 AM

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i dun get it

PC vs console thing

gaben is a feature

PC doesn't have im@s, so obviously you still need to get console even if you prefer PC.

emulators

5:57 AM

I'd never pirate im@s stuff. It's too great for them to not get my money.

running an emulator doesn't mean you can't give them money

If I'm going to buy it anyway, pirating it and figuring out how to set up an emulator is a waste of time.

@user1306322 gaben is an oppai, according to Mako

I rather set up emu than buying console

gaben's big and round

has anyone played The Vanishing of Ethan Carter?

never heard of it. Is it any good?

6:11 AM

metacritic says 83~

it's not anime thing :(

guys say ti's a good detective st… oh THERE AREN'T ANY CUTE GIRLS THO

what is a metacritic?

metacritic is a game ranking site that completely disregards the cute girl factor

So basically, we should ignore them completely

6:13 AM

rephrasing what I said, yes

if there's no cute girls, I don't think it's possible for the "game" to be fun.

I wonder what you would do without Japan now

Unlikely I could continue living

Although it's not as if Japan is the only source of cute girls, just the biggest one.

oh really? where else do they come from?

only in Japan

6:19 AM

A bunch of sources, though none that would really be satisfactory on their own.

in term of 2D girls

Fanart is produced by artists in other countries, for instance.

but there wouldn't be any fans of anime there if there was no anime in the first place

I know of a few examples of Japanese-style VNs, LNs, and comics also produced overseas.

still, they make fanart based on Japan anime, if it's not from anime it's not cute

6:20 AM

^ it rarely is cute

@user1306322 That's like saying that if Newton hadn't ever been born, we'd have no idea how gravity works today.

imagine what would happen

Moe could have been discovered in other countries and under other circumstances

would some Korean artist have come up with their own vision of cute girls which had normal sized eyes?

or maybe they'd all have unrealistically huge breasts or something

I can't even imagine

Obviously, it would eventually evolve to something which was maximally cute, close to what we have today from Japan.

It might take a different trajectory but we'd end up at the same place

6:22 AM

the largest consumers of Japanese cute girls are Japanese themselves

the maximumness of their cuteness is strongly biased

I have pretty different tastes myself, and there aren't enough of the girls I personally think of as the most cute right now

I disagree. A lot of it is based on human psychology.

@user1306322 Your tastes are wrong

no u >:o

(imagining Hitler was very mad at Polish cartoonists for drawing not so funny looking cartoons when he decided to attack lol)

does wikipedia describe cuteness well enough?

do cute girls have similar traits with the description of cute things on it?

!!wiki cuteness

I doubt it. Cuteness is beyond modern scientific capabilities to explain fully.

@ShinobuOshino ded

where's Hoi-Hoi-san btw

6:26 AM

@user1306322 ded

Cuteness is a subjective term describing a type of attractiveness commonly associated with youth and appearance, as well as a scientific concept and analytical model in ethology, first introduced by Konrad Lorenz. Lorenz proposed the concept of baby schema (Kindchenschema), a set of facial and body features, that make a creature appear "cute" and activate ("release") in others the motivation to care for it. Cuteness may be ascribed to people as well as things that are regarded as attractive or charming. == Juvenile traits and cuteness == Doug Jones, a visiting scholar in anthropology at Cornell...

there's wiki page for cuteness...

@LoganM well then if we plan on making a truly cute girl androids, we've gotsta define it well enough

@user1306322 why would we want that?

for reasons

fun being the greatest of them

entertainment

encouragement

motivation

organization

and many others

an anime girl can't do all that good enough, at least not good enough for me

Anyway, it's hard to imagine a world without 2D. Might as well try to imagine what would have happened if we'd never invented roofs. The world would be different, and probably not somewhere any of us would be capable of surviving.

6:30 AM

underground?

@user1306322 You're asking for too much. All they're supposed to do is be cute.

@LoganM well maybe I want more

Would you also complain to your shoe store that they don't offer cinnamon-flavored toothpaste?

that's not exactly the correlation I'm talking about

shoe stores could probably start selling shoes designed specifically for your foot to be comfortable and seemless

seems equally irrelevant to me. Cute girls are there for being cute, not doing your paperwork.

6:32 AM

3D printing and such has been around for long enough already

wtf shoe stores, get with the times

@LoganM you could make a tsundere girl do your paperwork if you'd like

@user1306322 try yandere

Their cuteness is, in and of itself, both necessary and sufficient. Adding anything else is wasting their cuteness on something less important.

anyway, where's karasu

@ShinobuOshino you don't want to kill your economics minister

#post

6:33 AM

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@ShinobuOshino right there

it's coz we're talking he's waiting for a pause

That isn't my birthday :/

he did?

since when he can do that

@LoganM you can enjoy the work of a robot while it is being voiced by a nice personality

6:34 AM

Oh wait that's her birthday nvm

@user1306322 No, I don't want that

@ShinobuOshino a few months ago

oic

consider Ene controlling your home appliances and reporting to you about the status

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Cute girls need to remain forever cute. Nothing else is needed, and adding anything else only detracts from perfection.

what's wrong with that

6:36 AM

@user1306322 I would love to see that

yeah, who wouldn't? (Logan, apparently)

:p

and I'm not talking about limiting the interface (Ene's personality) to the smart house devices, it could be everything

I definitely don't want that. Because then at that point I'm interacting with her, and at that point she's no better than a real person. She'll mess up and I'll get annoyed and it will just be wasting the cuteness on something it isn't supposed to be.

Cute girls only need to do one thing, and that's be cute. Anything else that isn't cute isn't worth it.

like Karasu posts pictures, Hoi-Hoi san gets search engine results, you could make a harem of specialized personalities who do different kinds of things

6:38 AM

That sounds horrible

@LoganM your view on cuteness is limited by what the Japanese standards have set it

use merit and it will be all good

Anyway, if I want to interact with someone, I'll make it a real human. I'm not so antisocial as to need robots to fill that void.

I'm not saying throw away your wife and install a virtual personality on your computer here

Who wants a wife in the first place

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a lot of my friends

6:41 AM

You have strange friends

can't disagree with that

I don't think they consider me normal either

in any case, I'll continue studying cuteness for my goals and do what I can to make virtual personalities that are nice to interact with

What I'm saying is that, fundamentally, by interacting with something, it becomes less cute because I have some control over it. Depending on the level of the interaction, that could very well entirely erase any merit it had in the first place. At some point, the thing is no cuter than a tree stump or a can opener, and you've missed the point entirely. There's no way to avoid that.

To give an explicit example, when HoiHoi-san goes offline, the complaints aren't that we've lost one of the cutest members of the room, but that we no longer have a tool to do google searches without opening a new tab. I don't ever want to see a cute thing as a tool.

got your point but who is the cutest members of the room anyway

you, of course

blush

6:52 AM

That's pretty subjective. Cuteness itself is an objective concept, but not totally orderable.

orderable?

If you want to extend it to a total order, you need to make a subjective decision.

not following

I guess Logan mean something like ranking

some mathilogical terminology

6:56 AM

The fact that there are cute things, and what some of them are, is objective. For instance, 2d girls are generally thought of as cuter than 40 year old male body builders. However, not every pair of objects can be objectively compared, e.g. there's no objective way to determine which girl from Blade Dance is the 3rd cutest.

(obv #1 is Est.)

I suppose, to each their own

but when there's a wide range to select from, it's even better

you can rank cuteness based on your cuteness needs

some like yandere most and I can't judge them

it's orderable, but it's personal

like good and evil

like all subjective things

(you're probably not gonna be one of my future customers :p)

how can anyone say yandere is not cute XD

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this is cute :3

not in real life, not so much

@user1306322 Even personally, I could not rank who is the 3rd cutest girl in Blade Dance. It's simply not a 1-dimensional quantity, and any attempt to view it that way is an oversimplification. So it's not so much that it's a subjective ranking as that there is no total ranking that I'm willing to assign.

imagine you asked your home maid to do your taxes and instead she burned down the whole ministry of economics

7:01 AM

Sounds like Sachi

@LoganM it's okay, I'm not after that even, you can have all three if you like

it's just that you might have to choose n out of m possible options and n doesn't have to be just 1

but nevermind that

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@Karasu finally, glad you're here

@ton.yeung I would love to use all the sugary syntax of LINQ and lambdas everywhere in my code, but it totally disrupts Edit&Continue :( Maybe they'll make it doable in future version of C#

In any case, all I'm saying is that it's fine to take things and make them cuter, but to take cute things and make them more useful is a perverse action. You may not yet realize it as such, but it really goes against the concept of cuteness itself. With enough experimentation, you'll surely come to the same conclusion. It's based on the very core of cuteness itself, to the extent that it's essentially tautological. Even if alternatives become available, I'll only ever support the path of purity.

7:12 AM

some syntaxes would look simpler in LINQ than in plain old loop and list constructions, but I can't debug that live

@LoganM I'll try to make it as pure as possible, but that would be borderline synthetic intelligence, which might not be so desirable for a "controlled device"

@user1306322 intelligence itself is not cute

the movie Her shows an example of a broken virtual personality (for the purpose of love, as director sees it)

@LoganM it's very important tho

The point is that you should not optimize for cuteness under some arbitrary constraints you wish to impose, such as what use you have for it. You should optimize cuteness under no constraints at all. Doing otherwise is doing a disservice to it.

I mean you would want to avoid the computery stupidness

@LoganM which is why it needs to have an unlimited base, and that is kind of like a real personality

Cuteness in and of itself is sufficient. Anything else is unnecessary.

@user1306322 Real personalities are the least cute personalities

the more interactive it is, the more it can think, and the more it behaves as something other than just an image on a 2d screen, the more impossible it is for it to be cute.

7:18 AM

so you're saying cute things are very limited?

in their behavior and actions

looks, too

Yes. Because they are perfect, they are limited.

Freedom requires flaws.

flaws are part of reality

Yes, and cute things are fundamentally not real

Real things are fundamentally not cute

How can the girls be cute if cuteness isn't real?

They may be some approximation to cute, but they can never reach it.

@user1306322 2d girls can be cute.

But only insofar as they aren't real.

7:21 AM

ok then I'm gonna make some real androids that try to be cute, and maybe they won't be as cute as 2d girls, but that would still be enough for me and lotsa people all over the world

as an addition to their functionality, of course, that would be wonderful

Functional is fine, but they won't be cute in the same way that truly cute things are.

If what you really want is the cutest possible thing, it is not some functional robot with AI.

nothing could ever be, so why bother worrying about it

That's all I'm saying.

I'll do my best to make them as cute as it makes sense

And all I really care about is the cutest things. Functional things are only worth using insofar as they are necessary to continue experiencing truly cute things.

7:25 AM

there will totally be a line of appliances with monotonous voices and robotic responses for you :p

just so you could watch anime in comfort

If you have other concerns besides optimizing cuteness observed, I simply don't know what to say to you. You're viewing life in a drastically different and incompatible way from me, so I don't think I can really understand why you want to do this.

I'm also won't be needing cute girl personalities on each and every one of my appliances, that would make them dull super fast

I want to make things comfortable for myself and grab some money while I do so, effectively making my primary goal easier to achieve

I still don't know if that's what I really want, but it's sure as hell gonna be fun to experiment with

at least more fun that anything else I can imagine right now

everybody else has much more boring goals in life, and I want the most fun I can get, and this is what I'm currently set on doing

My comfort is only relevant insofar as it helps me maximize cuteness. If the best way to do that was to be a homeless starving guy, I'd do just that. Cute things are infinitely more fulfilling than that sort of worldly concern.

if Aperture Science called and asked my to abandon my current life to live in a science facility where I could invent and experiment with anything I wanted, I'd be packing my things

on second thought though I'm not entirely sure

there are many things I have fun doing, improving convenience, social and scientific experiments being one of the most fun

I couldn't really abandon all else

tough question

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8:12 AM

@ShinobuOshino ♥

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Q: How did Skill "survive"?

The question is about the sequel of Hamatora, Re:_Hamatora but I am not able to add a tag yet. So, in the last episode the whole story comes to an end and we understand why Art changed. My question is: We saw that Art killed his brother Skill to free him from his pain. Then Skill dies (?) and...

8:28 AM

#post

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@Karasu beauty <3

Toshinou Kyouko

hiya

don't you like her

she is like a doll

Toshinou Kyouko

@ShinobuOshino i like this one

8:32 AM

@ToshinouKyouko me too, me too,

eh

me and Logan have different tastes

they don't overlap so much

most of us have different taste at something and similar taste at something, don't we :)

common interests are what matters, yes

but sometime different matter is also required

Dragon Crisis

watching

8:57 AM

@user1306322 doesnt matter, we all loves anime :D

so that what matter :D

Toshinou Kyouko

@ShinobuOshino ew no anime is terrible

who watches that stuff

D:

Toshinou Kyouko

:3 joking~

Kyouko hates anime, kill her, guna call potato army

9:01 AM

make tomato juice

make Kyouko juice

Toshinou Kyouko

nooooooo

or kyouko salad

Toshinou Kyouko

D:

Kyouko soup

Toshinou Kyouko

9:02 AM

;_;

yes kyouko soup is fine

winter is here

Toshinou Kyouko

rain warnings here @_@

oh

anyway it is cold so soup, kyouko soup

Toshinou Kyouko

R.I.P. Kyouko

R.I.S Rest In Stomach :)

9:06 AM

rest in plate

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ans she is going to make Kyouko Soup

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Toshinou Kyouko

i.. i guess it's okay if it's yui..

Eto....ano....hai Kyouko Soup ♥

9:47 AM

@ton.yeung Agree

10:40 AM

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Q: Oreimo. Light novels. Is it worth reading?

Exactly what I wrote in the title. I watch anime and I like it. And I'm in a weird situation, some of my mind says I must read it but the other rest of it says it is worthless. I'm a bit busy this days (Learning German) so can somebody who read novels tell me is it exactly like Light novels or an...

mm subjective?

opinion type

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@user1306322 unless he can turn it around and ask for the difference between the LN and anime

Toshinou Kyouko

10:43 AM

@JNat I edited it to this

I just noticed, yeah

Toshinou Kyouko

hmm

do i get review points if i edit it from outside the review place

@ToshinouKyouko You get reviews points once your edit is approved

Toshinou Kyouko

because I might miss a lot of review points then >_>

ah ok

2 points

not much

Toshinou Kyouko

10:45 AM

because I usually go through @sakamoto

@ToshinouKyouko try to roll back but it might be closed , its like you have right but if you use i will punish you , threatening like haha nice one :D

since you have enough rep already, your edits don't need approval

so no more rep from that for you

Toshinou Kyouko

@JNat ah, I mean like points towards review badges

@mirroroftruth >:)

@ToshinouKyouko you get that from reviews, not from edits

you're a strong tomato who don't need no approval

10:46 AM

tomato power

I mean, by reviewing other people's edits.

But yeah, you'd need to go to the review queue for that

badges shmadges

Toshinou Kyouko

lame

what matters is the content quality

Toshinou Kyouko

because once i edit it, i can't review it

10:47 AM

At least I think so

badges can go award themselves

Toshinou Kyouko

@user1306322 but magic internet points :(

@ToshinouKyouko points = fun unless they ≠

then the community = fun

but it should be the content that = fun

chat = fun

for me

for me too

the site doesn't have as many interesting questions as the chat has interesting discussions

10:52 AM

you are right

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A: Installing VirtualBox Guest Additions on Windows 10?

Use the Force... VBoxWindowsAdditions.exe /force

11:14 AM

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Q: What is the meaning of life?

According to Buddhism, if exists, what is the meaning of life, and if different, what is the purpose of life? And where does this meaning and purpose come from?

very interesting answes

answes :B

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Q: old drama anime about a dog and a kid

I watched this anime when I was a kid. It is really old anime, probably 15 years ago, I remember very little about it but here it goes: It's drama anime, I remember it was very sad story I think this kid is a boy, he live alone, probably orphan his guardian, maybe parent, father or uncle died p...

identification-request

Toshinou Kyouko

12:07 PM

I would like the site to have more interesting questions, im asleep during peak chat time :(

ask them when you can and wait half a day to discuss it in chat :p

site can't answer all your question

when is peak time in chat

you can still ask

its any time

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/6697/maid-cafe-

Toshinou Kyouko

12:09 PM

my lsat 4 questions have no answers ;_;

its like 6ish GMT

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isn't it utc time or own time

sure isn't my time

Toshinou Kyouko

well

i am GMT

so it shows that for me

oh wait

I don't know where I am anymore

Toshinou Kyouko

12:14 PM

you're right

@user1306322 A&M

oh right

baka me

but chat is dead unless there is topic to discuss

Toshinou Kyouko

#tomato

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Toshinou Kyouko

yeah

12:16 PM

pirate

Toshinou Kyouko

arr

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2:12 PM

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A wild @iKlsR appeared!

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ y u no leave me alone

cries internally

@iKlsR y u leave?

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ i here

pouts mentally

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@iKlsR but u left

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ i back

got lost in tall grass

2:18 PM

sighs audibly

2

Toshinou Kyouko

squishes profusely

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@iKlsR use Cut, silly

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ on grass m8?

@user1306322 pats silently

@iKlsR yah and small scrubs

you know what, imma go

to the railway station!

weekend, here I come!

2:32 PM

@user1306322 will you be fighting other trainers? capturing any legendaries?

@user1306322 here's mango just for you: shonenjump.com/p/sp/zUXNVkz6tj69sqbB/index.html

Toshinou Kyouko

@user1306322 cyaaaa

3:05 PM

@iKlsR

...

#tomato

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@Karasu this pic is not good in chat, you should view in large :(

Anyone here use QuizUp?

@Eric @Eric @Eric

3:08 PM

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