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Q: Are these two CPUs the same ? Is it ok to sawp them?

adrianTNTI have a computer that would not start and I wanted to test the processor in another computer. After swapping the CPUs now none of the computers start. The second one that failed just spins the cooler around half a rotation, then stops power completely. Edit: clarification... the computer that ...

First thing I noticed is the year on the processors
 
Yea, I imagine they're probably stuffed!
 
12:16 AM
Why does SCCM make no sense?! D:
 
Bob
12:27 AM
@JourneymanGeek I'm scared of what that machine is used for.
Probably some industrial controller, if it's not just a hobby project.
 
@Bob: might actually be someone's daily driver
 
Bob
. . .
sure, if they're running Win98
in 2014
and somehow managed to get onto SU
 
@Bob: You'd be surprised!
hm. wait. the copyright is not the age of the processor no?
One of the processors has a label saying 2006
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek AMD Sempron 2400 was introduced 2004
 
so only a decade ;p
 
Bob
12:36 AM
It's marginally better than the shittiest Atom in existence.
 
guess what my current home server is? ;p
 
Bob
And has a 62W max TDP
In fact, I'd bet it's worse than the Atom, benchmarks notwithstanding
 
probably is
I'm just too polite to tell people 'Your computer sucks"
 
Bob
when you consider RAM bandwidth, and the general age of the rest of the system...
@JourneymanGeek You'd quite literally pay more in power costs over a year or two of constant usage than buying a modern machine.
If you only use it once in a blue moon, then maybe.
 
12:50 AM
@JourneymanGeek "Wow, did you steal this from a museum?"
 
@Bob: in an ideal world, I run my systems 5+2+2
(5 years as a main system, then 2 years as a spare, and another 2 years before we chuck it in a box somewhere or get rid of it)
 
1:30 AM
Hey @JourneymanGeek you love tinkering with routers, right?
Is taking 42 min to copy 4 GB over wifi on the local network (1,8 MB/s) too slow?
It is supposed to be a 802.11n network but I think it is in g mode.
How do I check if it is g or n? And is there a table of theoretical maximum troughput and expected average?
!!google wifi speeds
 
the wonders of Youtube
 
@allquixotic Is that an 80 min youtube parody of late 80's fight games?
> The "low" setting lowered the power output of my 802.11n router from 19 to 18 watts. Bandwidth was reduced from an already low 19Mbps down to 5Mbps with my clients and router being only separated by a single concrete wall.
 
I believe I've described setting up wifi as a black art
and it sucks. Copying it over to a drive and walking over is faster anyway
(feel free to hit me over the nose with a newspaper if I get the facts wrong)
@ThatBrazilianGuy: That does sound too slow, even for 802.11G
 
1:47 AM
@JourneymanGeek No thanks, I don't have those weird fetishes :P
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also, if you have any single stream devices, your whole network can't use dual stream/80mhz bands
which slows shit down
 
@JourneymanGeek I was just quoting an article:
> Some routers are set up with their "Power savings" mode on by default. The goal: save a few milliwatts. Unfortunately, this commendable approach reduced bandwidth disproportionately.
 
and wifi reception is affected by walls, other wifi APs in overlapping bands, probably ferret mating seasons....
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy and really, really tacky drama and hot chicks who can do karate :P
also: early 90s, you insensitive clod!
 
1:49 AM
@allquixotic I randomly clicked ad some spot in the timeline (7:30 I believe) and, oh the acting...
 
@allquixotic: the 8bit era ;p
 
@allquixotic I still remember going to the arcades (we called it "fliperama" here) and spending lots of money on Captain Commando and Cadillacs and Dinosaurs
Back when I was 11 / 12
That was before malls would have family-friendly silly arcades, so it would be full of (much) older teens and young adults, smoking, drinking, swearing
But I wouldn't notice, all I cared about was the games
 
oh. Also @ThatBrazilianGuy: protocol may matter
 
sigh I have 70min to write an essay based on a really pompous and buzzword-filled 16-page text on Distance Education.
 
I get ~ 1mbps over samba, and saturate my 100 mbps internal network using http
 
1:56 AM
1mbps over samba? Don't you mean 1 MB / s?
I am seeing 2,0 MB / s right now and almost (metaforically) biting my nails
 
ya, probably do ;p
 
1 mbps = 1 megabit per second
 
I get caps and smalls confused sometimes ;p
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy this one has a much more balanced gender mix :P and oddly enough, the cheesy plot is ... likeable o_O
it's like Power Rangers for adults. or at least, 17 year old horny boys :P
the music is awesome, at least
 
2:32 AM
 
@allquixotic ... wth you made me see?
 
I didn't make you see anything >_>
unless I suddenly gained the ability to force people to click links
(that would be pretty cool)
 
@allquixotic that's debatable
everything people share is (technically) good... or funny
 
or punny
 
@Braiam: clearly you were not in the comms room when folk were linking horribad music videos ;p
 
2:39 AM
@JourneymanGeek I was... and I said Aha was kewl
 
@JourneymanGeek wow... dat fantasy football.
 
I suspect that was spambait ;p
But the tag really made it 'perfect'
 
Did you see the edit he made?
 
2:57 AM
no?
...
BEST
 
Oh, he pasted a local filepath in an attempt to include a screenshot.
 
Yeah, I closed it, so its in my voting history.... OP self deleted too
 
3:13 AM
Remotely deploying 4GB applications is painful.
 
3:27 AM
remotely doing anything is painful ><
ow.
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek That username... (@allquixotic)
 
3:53 AM
Morning
 
 
3 hours later…
6:41 AM
yawn
 
@allquixotic Nice track :)
 
6:56 AM
Woof
 
my computer has gone to heck in a handbasket about a week ago.
It is still working fine and all, but is corrupting files with tiny errors often.
 
Bob
@Psycogeek You might wanna check your RAM.
 
So i just turned off all the overclocking (best reason for an instability) and it still is doing it.
 
Bob
Could be a good idea to check the HDD too (SMART will at least tell you if it's reallocating sectors)
But RAM would be my first guess.
How do you know it's corrupting files, and/or which files it's corrupting?
 
I used "prime85" to whoop on the cpu and it seems (cant be sure) that it only does the error when using large quantity of memory.
 
Bob
7:03 AM
Again, probably the RAM. Chuck memtest86+ on it overnight.
 
@Bob I always do "compares" when transporting it to different places.
 
Did you change anything?
 
Bob
@Psycogeek Ah. A pretty good idea, actually... I need to start doing that.
 
Yea i did change something. They told me that the CPU "cache" does not step down when the board is set for the cache to be on "auto". so that was a last and only change i had made. I thought for sure it was that :-( but changing it back didnt help
 
Bob
o.O
What's the chance that you fried the cache?
 
7:07 AM
good :-)
I have been running the cpu cache on the higher voltages (or i cant get stable overclock) , but the errors right now seem to be mostaly about transporting data from one location to another.
 
Bob
Ya, dying cache is more likely to cause a bunch of errors everywhere (to the point where you'd be lucky to boot)
 
Funny thing is all this time i am doing everything like nothing is wrong, i could sell the whole system to somone and they would not be the wiser.
 
Bob
Still sounds like RAM issues, with higher addresses
 
@Bob And because it is likely to be the ram at the further ends and outside of the systems own memory, and in the file cacheing junk and all, I want to test the Ram IN the windows system. I know that most In windows ram testing is weak, but there has to be something else out there that is as harsh as Prime95 was on it so i can better do a discovery.
 
Bob
@Psycogeek you can't comprehensively test RAM while an OS is running, since it will necessarily have addresses held in use
just chuck memtest86+ at it
 
7:12 AM
I just want to test the ram that "will be in use" not the ram that IS in use.
and i need to test it live with the system going, because i can tweak stuff wile it is running, cant do shit in a dos like setup.
I still do not understand how i can get average 30 errors in 2Terrabytes, but play a 22gig game for days :-) With only one crash.
 
Bob
shrug there's lots of data structures that won't crash a game if a bit gets flipped
file corruption is always more severe
it doesn't matter if your mouse movement is 50x it's normal speed for a 60th of a second
it doesn't matter if some polygon is missing or broken for a frame
you can get quite interesting graphical glitches sometimes though :P
 
It isnt likely (but possible) that the changes occured on disk, the changes seem to occur in the compare routine , and DIFFERENT results each compare :-) it would have been so easy if it was the cpu cache setting.
It took me days and days of testing to get the ram overclocked 100% error free, now i toss all that and i am thinking it is worse off than it was overclocked , i hate when that happens.
When i test the "ram" with prime (this is all when clocked normal) one of the threads shows a error (then stops) the other ones keep going fine non-stop.
 
HAMMERTIME!
 
7:30 AM
I should test the other computer for the same thing, could be we are in the middle of a Gamma radiation apocalypse and i just dont know yet :-)
no unusual hair loss
skin staill intact
 
 
1 hour later…
8:36 AM
ahh
this particular brix model dosen't have a msata slot
 
8:55 AM
oh oh, raid controller just screamed like a little girl then bailed out.
ahh better dead than problematic, wonder if that was where the problem lie
 
 
1 hour later…
Bob
10:11 AM
@JourneymanGeek The WM77s...
They're alright, I guess :P
I think I prefer the meelecs
not bad though
and they aren't as suffocating as the over-ears I have
 
I must be the only person who prefers over-ears more than anything else ;p
 
Bob
I think @allquixotic did too?
ugh, most annoying thing about these is the cable
in the way
and all spiraly
 
Right, ESXi was a bust. Downloading smartos and hyper V ;p
Might as well play around a bit before actually getting the system set up properly
 
Bob
10:28 AM
ok
now that I've gotten used toit a bit more
the noise isolation is really nice
playing from a higher quality than spotify medium on my phone probably helps :P
@JourneymanGeek Heh, just checked last.fm. Musical compatibility... I swear it's going down :P
Ha. Very low with jokerdino, low with hacktohell, low with tomwijsman, very low with sathya
 
10:50 AM
o.O the steam logo changed.
 
11:01 AM
why almost every PCi-E 3.0 raid card is SAS? i just want 4 simple Sata in a simple raid controller that is rated good. Me no find.
I am finding tons of old sataII and PCI-e 2 things that are high rated. Speed kills :-)
Anyways i just tested the intel controller ONLY and i still get tiny errors , a few that occured in transfer, a few that the compare fails once, re-comparing shows it is ok, so it must be a ram problem.
 
Bob
11:14 AM
@Psycogeek you can plug SATA drives into a SAS controller just fine
 
@Bob without an adapter? so if i had a 4 port SAS i could just shove them right into the same slot?
 
@Psycogeek: yeah.
 
Bob
@Psycogeek depends. there is a compatible connector, and I believe it's the most common, but there are also some incompatible ones (that can be trivially adapted)
> SFF-8482 This form factor is designed for compatibility with SATA. The socket is compatible with SATA drives; however, the SATA socket is not compatible with SFF-8482 (SAS) drives. The pictured connector is a drive-side connector.
 
SFF-8482 <---ahh they were saying something about this.
 
Bob
worst case you're out $5 on adapters
> When the first SAS specification was developed, SAS and SATA connections were designed to be compatible. The data and electrical connections are identical, and both reside within a single connector, although SATA also allows discrete data and power cabling, similar to a parallel ATA drive.
 
11:25 AM
I hate adapters, added connection during troubleshooting. One guy his drives didnt work because of the computer case had that extra Carting connectors for sata. Therefore one extra connection to the sata.
 
Bob
11:40 AM
 
12:32 PM
 
 
1 hour later…
1:57 PM
hm
So far... ESXi gives me wierd errror, smartos boots into the grub console, yet the copy of lubuntu that I forgot was on the drive works.
 
Interesting
 
yeah, @allquixotic uses it
and I was planning on giving it a shot on my new home server ;p
 
And I don't have a use for it :/
The asshole who manages the college server will not give me access to the server :'(
 
I'll try a livecd and rufus
lol
 
Blah, now we have to find someplace to host this website I am designing.
@JourneymanGeek I had the proper permission this time :P
 
2:03 PM
@HackToHell: static or ..?
 
Mostly static with a single form.
 
and for how long?
 
I'm thinking of simply using Google Docs.
 
that's probably a good idea ;p
 
@JourneymanGeek I'm not sure, that's for the teachers to decide.
And they gave me 400 INR to buy one -_-
I'm simply going to put in on my VPS and hope it the site doesn't get too much traffic ;p
Or better yet, I could use github
 
2:04 PM
dude, can you even buy colour soda for that much these days? ;p
(do they even have that any more?)
 
Color Soda, you mean the ones that my parents have forbidden me to drink ? ;p
It's for a good reason though
 
;p
lol. In my parent's generation it was safe ;p
now, no, probably not
 
@JourneymanGeek :D
when do you want me to stand up the smartos VM for you?
 
@allquixotic: I'm pretty much free whenever its convenient for you
I must say their download servers suck :/
hm, no, Its my wifi. Its going pretty fast on bia
I think the new one's going to be a Pheobe.
 
@Bob my favorite are on-ear, but over-ear are my second favorite, and it's hard for me to find on-ears that are bluetooth or wireless, so 1 out of my 3 current headsets is on-ear, the other 2 are over-ear
@JourneymanGeek so you're going to stand up a SmartOS box on your own kit, and you want one on mine? just trying to clarify what you need :P
 
2:16 PM
@allquixotic: I'm going to stand up a smartos box on my new kit so I can work out what I'm doing
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek That's the name of my experimental (v)server :P
 
@Bob: I generally use greek deities, and for some reason when I need to name a box, I keep getting hints ;p
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek And I stole the idea off you :P
 
@allquixotic: also, I just rebuilt my current home server, so I figure I'll use this to experiment a few weeks/months before I switch it over to whatever works best for me. I'm planning on getting a bigger hard drive anyway
(and this is entirely internal use, my current ISP would suck for hosting stuff)
damn it SE chat. I ONLY SAID THAT ONCE.
...
 
Bob
Urk. With all this talk, I may consider switching over :P
But that requires quite a bit of time...
And I'd have to set all this crap up again :(
 
2:21 PM
I did it a lot before I went back to school
...
@Bob: I miss experimenting with OSes ;p
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek You said that already :P
 
@Bob: Something is glitching.
 
Bob
 
Bob
"lifetime" VPS for $35. Now, whether that's gonna be measured in your lifetime or that company's lifetime... :P
 
2:23 PM
> one time
company makes money; pockets; tanks. yep. not likely
 
Bob
Also, @JourneymanGeek, you could've considered this for your home server: amazon.com/dp/B00IT1WJZQ
:P
Only problem is you'd need to go external/USB3 for HDDs
 
ok, Fibernetics started in 1997, so the parent company has been around a while
but after they collect all those monies I'm sure they'll divest themselves of "cloudatcost"
 
@Bob: and ram
 
if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is
 
I got twice as much
 
Bob
2:29 PM
Heh.
> CloudatCost provides a 99.99% uptime SLA. Any lost time is credited back to your account at a pro-rated amount for your monthly package.
0% uptime. Credited $0
Seriously, this site is dodgy as fuck.
 
@Bob saw that. super dodgy automated chat.
 
Bob
@allquixotic At the moment, it's a tossup between "scam" and "owned and/or funded by a government agency"
> 2.5 The Customer shall be responsible for the security of and any loss or damage to CloudatCost Facilities located on the Customer's premises.
wait what
their facilities... on (the Customer)'s premises??
 
2:45 PM
@Bob look for a separate clause that says they get the right to install any hardware on your property without notifying you, including but not limited to: phone wiretaps, cable/DSL/FTTP taps, hidden microphones and cameras, and live munitions.
 
Bob
> While using the Services, the Customer is prohibited from posting, uploading, reproducing, distributing or otherwise transmitting information or materials where such activity constitutes a criminal offence or from otherwise engaging in or assisting others to engage in any criminal offence including, but not limited to, those offences listed below:

Communicating hatred
Pyramid selling
Unauthorized use of a computer
Invasion of privacy
Mischief in relation to data
Violations of the Canadian Anti-Spam Legislation (CASL)
Huh. Canada.
 
*threatens to milk a cow*
 
Bob
> Mischief in relation to data
 
*gets arrested by Canadian police*
 
Bob
2:47 PM
can you get any more vague?
> Obscenity
> Uttering threats
so... you can't even threaten to ban someone from your website?
 
"obscenity" could cover even regular old boring p3ography
(which is quite legal in many countries)
 
o0
or swearing
 
invasion of privacy? so Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Twitter, et al. can't operate in Canada? okay.png
 
@allquixotic UNO should include it in their charter of Human Rights ;p
 
@HackToHell they could, but the US would just ignore it
pattern happens over and over: US creates international organization suggesting how best to act; organization adopts policy that is in line with their mission but the US administration doesn't agree with; US ignores policy and dumps organization
 
Bob
2:50 PM
@allquixotic They'll... condemn you for it!
 
c.f. the United Nations
 
Bob
oh wait they can't even do that -_-
 
@Bob: Maybe a strongly worded statement?
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek interesting cable management: youtube.com/watch?v=xbFfkewUkOw
@JourneymanGeek no! bad doggy! swats with newspaper
 
2:58 PM
lol
 
Bob
Hm. I found an interesting... I think it's a review. It's in Japanese though...
 
translate.google ;p
 
Bob
@allquixotic Video.
 
@Bob Translate app for Android ;p
 
Bob
2:59 PM
The only captions are in Spanish -___-
and they're automatic
 
and yes, I know how terrible that would be
 
Bob
...does Youtube think Japanese sounds like Spanish? O_O
 
hm . I think I'll try getting something more interesting running tommorrow. Or try fedora for KVM
 
wow. a Japanese video with captions in Spanish? awesome
 
Bob
not even a review
turned out to be an unboxing
this is what happens when you can't read the title -_-
 
3:00 PM
@Bob you know, having a lot of proficiency in Spanish and some in Japanese, they actually do have some commonalities :P
 
that's a WIERD video
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Would it be wrong of me to say "Japan"?
 
@Bob: the blurry cam, the fact that they don't show the interviewers face...
and her voice sounds oddly robotic
 
cue Street Fighter II "JAPAN!"
 
Bob
3:02 PM
does this damn thing only exist in Japan? o.O
but... it's an English box
Oh this one has Japanese captions
Oh god. youtube.com/watch?v=ZmDNVn2qXDw "My Beats Headphone Ranking / Purchase Guide"
"UrAvgConsumer" ayup.
 
Bob
"which ones have the best value overall" => anything that's not Beats.
 
Bob
Hm. Do I want a 5TB HDD?
 
@Bob HDDs haven't been getting much faster (especially with regards to seek time), so for the types of demands that we tend to place on our drives, I generally couldn't recommend getting a single drive of that size, and would rather suggest RAID of some sort for better throughput at least (if not better seek times due to some caching at the controller level)
HGST 4 TBs are going for $170 a pop on Amazon now (at least in the US; no idea how much they are on Mars Australia)
 
3:08 PM
;p
I can't seem to find the bigger HGST drives here any more :/
 
Bob
@allquixotic Seagate 5TB is about that price.
It's certainly cheaper per-GB.
Gah, I'll stick with 2TBs for now.
 
@Bob well shit, if you can get two of them, do it :D
just have to get yourself a decent RAID card :D
 
Bob
@allquixotic External...
 
(based on my lukewarm experience with Adaptec, I'd recommend LSI or Dell actually)
 
Bob
Incidentally, this is Amazon: amazon.com/dp/B00JT0EGPW
 
3:11 PM
@Bob and?
the new eSATA 6 Gb/s should be able to handle the total throughput of four 7200rpm disks in hardware RAID10, and that enclosure's backplane includes a hardware RAID controller.
in fact, just to reduce heat buildup inside my chassis, I would probably get one of those if I were ever to build a completely new system (e.g. if I gave my current one to dad and started fresh)
though I'd look for one that has 5 bays and can do caching on an SSD, and throw a 1 TB Samsung 850 Pro in there.
 
Bob
3:57 PM
o.O I just hit 20k
That was completely unexpected.
 
@Bob congrats!
I'd have hit it except I sunk a 500 bounty on a high priority Q I asked :P (and then answered it myself)
not even going to award that bounty; I'll let whoever gets it, get half... or none or whatever... I don't care... the answers were just bad
figures that whenever I ask a highly detailed, specific, technical question (that I can't answer myself), nobody else seems to have a clue
not even harrymc knew what I was talking about; his attempt to comment was very weak
 
@Bob eh, you did it before me
oh wait no.
 
Bob
@allquixotic they should really allow you to reclaim at least half the bounty with sufficient cuts votes
Say 5 score
 
@Bob should, but they don't :/ currently, the person who offers the bounty has a 0.0% chance of ever regaining even a single rep point of the bounty, ever, even with moderator intervention
my situation was really odd because I asked the question, waited, found no answer, posted bounty, got a few bites that weren't particularly good (as in, none of them got me even a little bit closer to a solution), then figured it out on my own
 
hm, mods can reimburse the bounty.
 
Bob
4:03 PM
Heh, I thought mods could cancel/refund bounties... But that'd be considered abuse in this case
 
but, none of us will.
 
well, considering that 99% of the answers/comments came after I posted the bounty, thus bounty hunters are the reason I got a response AT ALL... yeah, I doubt any mod would reimburse the bounty
only thing that seems a little unfair is that you can't award the bounty to yourself if you really feel that you found the best answer
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A: Redirect ALL web traffic through TLS without a VPN

NuTTyXI have tried this setup on my local machine, and I can assure that the "restrictive proxy" would get a CONNECT DEBIAN_IP:443 HTTP/1.1, but it will not see any certificate, so I am not sure if this would work. Let's asume: your Debian has Apache or Squid to do the proxying and an SSH server. On y...

 
Bob
Then you could cheat others out of a bounty
 
that one's assuming you can get out over SSH
 
Bob
There needs to be a score requirement attached
Heh. I should've attempted an answer
I've actually done that before -_,
Went out through a very restrictive proxy. Tor will also work, incidentally.
You pretty much just need a HTTPS endpoint and proxy chaining.
 
4:09 PM
Tor opens up too many sockets -- suspicion += 1000
 
Bob
The basic concept holds.
Tor is just less manual setup work
 
4:40 PM
we need to start some kind of "Shadowrunners' Trust" -- a Tor-like network that's invite-only and every participant must reciprocate by making their own (dedicated) server available to the network
free to use, but your client downstream gets throttled if you use more than 2 times more bandwidth on your client than your server donates, recalculated every 15 minutes
basically a bunch of people make their dedis available to everyone else to proxy through (a la stunnel) to get around restrictive corp proxies, and in return, they get to proxy through a randomly selected server each time they connect
and people who donate at least as much actual throughput on their dedi as they consume on their client, get priority over people who consume more than they donate
 
Wow, I feel like I'm the only person who's living in the 21st century.
I just called my new ISP asking them how to enter the configuration details on my modem, and they told me that I need to plug in my analog phone (!) into the modem and enter the code via its dial pad. Like srsly?
So I asked the tech support guy, well, duh, I have no analog phone.
And he's like, "Well how do you call people then?!"
 
@slhck o_O
this, in a country where your ISPs give you ridiculous unmetered bandwidth for dirt cheap
I guess tech support guys are clueless in all countries
 
I tell him that I have Skype and Google Voice, and… it turns out I have a mobile phone too.
@allquixotic Mind you, I live in Germany now, where it's a bit slower and more expensive.
Oh, and he said that in his three years working for the ISP, he never had a customer without an analog phone.
 
lol
even in the backwater country of USA we don't have an analog phone in my house
 
Maybe I should look for the acoustic coupler on that thing.
A modem (modulator-demodulator) is a device that converts boys to girls to encode digital information and demodulates the signal to decode the transmitted information. The goal is to produce a signal that can be transmitted easily and decoded to reproduce the original digital data. Modems can be used with any means of transmitting analog signals, from light emitting diodes to radio. A common type of modem is one that turns the digital data of a computer into modulated electrical signal for transmission over telephone lines and demodulated by another modem at the receiver side to recover the digital...
Does that article really say "a device that converts boys to girls"
O_o
 
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