Root Access

very very few actually good players run Predator, especially not in the solo queue... you can create viable builds around a Predator or two (or more...) if you get a group of 5 people together and plan it out exactly, but it's a bitch to do that

Journeyman Geek

@terdon I do?

allquixotic

Waystone (the dev) says they are going to fix the Predator class so it's used more often in solo queue

terdon

@JourneymanGeek Yup. You have 245. It only takes 150 to vote I think.

allquixotic

1:21 PM

@Bob yup -- although I seem to have introduced a bug into the code lately that I need to fix because it hasn't been working very reliably... maybe I just need to update my version of libspotify

Journeyman Geek

Ahh. I was not aware I did

allquixotic

@MichaelFrank if you want me to provide you a tested build of yasdown for Windows, let me know. it's a gray area but I'm fine with providing it to you. I'd just need this weekend to sort out the one bug/regression that seems to be there

Michael Frank

huh? o.O

Oh, you mean for Spotify?

allquixotic

yeah.

I'm not sure I'm calling sp_session_process_events properly (or at the right time)... I tried doing it in a timer and things got wacky so I started calling it in the application idle callback, which seems to work, but I get such weird stuff spewed in the log... :S

Michael Frank

Oh, well that'd be cool.

allquixotic

1:25 PM

I mean... oy

Michael Frank

allquixotic

cc @Bob ^^

Bob

@allquixotic that's a lot of dependencies to manually install :P

Michael Frank

Just finished this game.

allquixotic

@Bob the tested build I provide to Michael (or anyone in here who wants it, really) would have all the dependencies included in the same directory, so just unzip and run

Bob

1:27 PM

TIL Application.Idle

allquixotic

I think the problem I was having is that sp_session_process_events was setting timeout to 0, which then prompted my timer routine to set the timer for 0 seconds, i.e., trigger it constantly

that might (be/have been) a bug in libspotify

or just IDIW

Bob

@allquixotic Application.Idle seems like a rather non-deterministic place to be calling this.

> Occurs when the application finishes processing and is about to enter the idle state.

allquixotic

@Bob yeah, basically whenever the OS scheduler thinks "now's a good time"

Bob

@allquixotic And only once per idle period?

allquixotic

I think "calling sp_session_process_events too frequently" might cause buggy behavior in libspotify.

Bob

1:30 PM

What if it receives no more messages, i.e. permanently idle?

allquixotic

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A: Why use nextTimeout in sp_session_process_events()?

The next_timeout value is there to prevent you from calling sp_session_process_events too frequently, and is not necessarily intended to reduce the number of main thread 'wake-ups'. I don't see anything unusual about the timeout values you're seeing. The notify_main_thread callback is often inv...

@Bob it'll keep calling it periodically... trust me, it calls it a lot :P

there are window messages buzzing all over the place nearly constantly

DWM asking for updates, etc

Bob

@allquixotic ya, but again, non-deterministic :P

user moves mouse? it does something and goes idle

user doesn't move mouse? that doesn't happen, so it's going to go a little longer between calls this time

other program launches and causes a screen redraw?

etc. etc. etc.

I wonder why a timer didn't work.

If nothing else it's gotta be more predictable.

...

I just googled for sp_session_process_events and got a whole load of nothing

allquixotic

@Bob I have it commented out. basically what happened is that I couldn't get sp_session_process_events to give me a timeout value other than 0

Bob

surprised there aren't any public docs

allquixotic

there are API docs on developer.spotify.com

i can't get there from work :P

Bob

1:35 PM

> According to documentation, libspotify is not thread safe. What does this mean?

It means that you can not invoke any libspotify API function while another API is invoked in a different thread. This includes all of the functions, even sp_session_process_events(). In other words, having a thread that just spins and invokes sp_session_process_events() when needed (either due to that the notification callback fires or a timeout happens), while another thread invokes API functions, is not supported.

o.O

then again, you just have the single (UI) thread so that shouldn't be an issue

allquixotic

yeah, I don't actually do any threading in this code (thank god. I had thought of it for the UI updates, but then I realized that most of the callbacks are short enough in duration as to not really disrupt the UI message loop)

Session_OnAudioDataArrived() gets called thousands of times per song download

something like 64K at a time, give or take

(PCM, remember, not MP3 or any other compressed format)

I had thought maybe the Windows message loop is somehow interfering with Spotify or something like that, so maybe I need to call all Spotify functions from a separate, "clean" thread whose entire mainloop is to sleep for as long as sp_session_process_events() tells me to

then do async message event loop queuing with a Dispatcher (basically Form.BeginInvoke, since this is WinForms and not WPF) to update the status in the UI

Bob

@allquixotic have you checked the return code?

> Returns:
One of the following errors, from sp_error SP_ERROR_OK

allquixotic

@Bob aha. good point. no, I don't check the error code. BAD ME!

meh, I just need to encapsulate the entire "engine" that deals with Spotify at all into its own class, and then its own thread, and provide like 4 high level APIs to interact with it

and just have everything be async with callbacks for inter-thread communication

Bob

@allquixotic Just don't forget your synchronisation :P

allquixotic

@Bob you shouldn't need synchronization with async... the spotify thread will be its own (only) writer; since the callers of the API (GUI, or whatever) won't be writing at all, no synchronization needed

well, I take that back

the spotify thread needs a thread-safe queue of spotify URLs to download

which gets appended to whenever the GUI makes a request to download a song

Bob

1:48 PM

ah, I'm still not that familiar with C# 5 (async, await)

isn't it just syntactic sugar for Task stuff?

allquixotic

I meant more along the lines of BeginInvoke, not async keyword

when the spotify thread needs to update the GUI, it can BeginInvoke a lambda into the GUI thread

when the GUI needs to update the spotify thread (the ONLY time it needs to do that is to ask it to download a song), it can enqueue an item into a thread-safe collection

Bob

ah

allquixotic

Journeyman Geek

I totally do not get that one, even after looked it up

allquixotic

great way to find source code on the internet: google.com/…

it hurts

lol

Journeyman Geek

2:02 PM

That was great and terribad

jokerdino

punny

Michael Frank

@allquixotic hahaha

allquixotic

@Bob the fail at the end of this comment thread is embarrassing -_- (e.g. Greg Havas) plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/…

That Brazilian Guy

2:41 PM

> This site does not supply identity information.

Connection with this site is not totally safe because it contains unencrypted elements (such as images)

...should I worry?

Canadian Luke

@ThatBrazilianGuy I would

Journeyman Geek

for that site I might

unless you have an email with html content, hyperlinked from another domain

which is stupid

whoot

got a load of rep for what was essentially a brain dump

Michael Frank

@allquixotic ^

and bed time!

That Brazilian Guy

@CanadianLuke @JourneymanGeek I asked a question on security.se:

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Q: "No identity information" alert on gmail

Am I being hacked? Firefox is displaying this warning to me: This site does not supply identity information. Connection with this site is not totally safe because it contains unencrypted elements (such as images). Permissions: open popup windows: allow. Clicking on "more info...

gmail

Journeyman Geek

hm. I'm not sure but that dosen't seem right

and yay, proper translation of non english dialogues !

That Brazilian Guy

2:53 PM

This might be the cause, but that's 10 years of personal info we're talking about here, so I'd like to be really, really, really sure.

Journeyman Geek

Thats mine @ThatBrazilianGuy

Its not screaming at me though ;p

That Brazilian Guy

@JourneymanGeek Yours is verified by "Google Inc.", mine is by "unspecified". O_o

@JourneymanGeek To be more precise, it shows a ! besides the URL.

The screaming is all done by me.

Journeyman Geek

;p

thats screaming

and it seems not quite right

That Brazilian Guy

>_<

I have to try it from another computer in another OS on another network and see if it changes.

allquixotic

3:10 PM

@ThatBrazilianGuy go here grc.com/fingerprints.htm and put in mail.google.com

then compare the fingerprint the server shows with the sha-1 fingerprint in your cert

grc.com and my SSL cert both tell me 84:45:3A:42:E0:2D:3D:50:00:30:C1:2D:D3:2C:26:06:6F:78:AB:3D

That Brazilian Guy

@allquixotic Same here, both on grc.com and on the Firefox dialog.

allquixotic

@ThatBrazilianGuy then it is mathematically impossible that someone is doing something nasty

google's cert just sucks

(it's not EV)

@JourneymanGeek what does your fingerprint say?

VegetaGeek! What does the scouter say about his fingerprint level?

That Brazilian Guy

!! s/your fingerprint/the fox/

Canadian Luke

!!undo

NO!

That Brazilian Guy

But... but...

Canadian Luke

3:15 PM

That song is ridiculous! It's worse than the Hamster Dance!

Journeyman Geek

let me check again, I did switch off my desktop where I took the screenie from

That Brazilian Guy

Was my ---joke--- lame attempt worse than
> VegetaGeek! What does the scouter say about his fingerprint level?

Canadian Luke

I refuse to maintain a normal conversation with that... that... ABOMINATION... sitting on the screen, secretly playing through my head

Journeyman Geek

84:45:3A:42:E0:2D:3D:50:00:30:C1:2D:D3:2C:26:06:6F:78:AB:3D

allquixotic

yep, same

Canadian Luke

3:16 PM

holds up a large book resembling a bible THE POWER OF KNOWLEDGE COMPELS THE FOX TO NOT SAY ANYTHING!

2

Journeyman Geek

@CanadianLuke: You're talking to a dog. What is this... normal conversation you speak of?

(we're going to the vet tommorrow, back leg's acting up again :/)

That Brazilian Guy

@allquixotic THEN WHY IS GOOGLE VERYFYING @JourneymanGeek'S CERTIFICATE BUT NOT MINE!!!!!

Canadian Luke

Words? Knowledge? Intelligence? You got it, JMG, so I can talk to dogs... But foxes are like the lower class citizens of <insert random 3rd world country here>

That Brazilian Guy

Is it because I'm no cutesy dog?

allquixotic

@ThatBrazilianGuy different browsers?

That Brazilian Guy

3:25 PM

@allquixotic No, I prefer the cute dog theory.

allquixotic

@ThatBrazilianGuy what does it say your connection is encrypted with? the cipher suites

That Brazilian Guy

@CanadianLuke Yeah, people from third-world country are the worst. And the worst of the worst are those in South America. Man, what's with those people!

@allquixotic Sorry, the what?

allquixotic

@ThatBrazilianGuy at the bottom of the page info window, like geek posted above

That Brazilian Guy

My FF 30.0 on Ubuntu doesn't have that last session ("technical details").

allquixotic

under the Security tab?

Canadian Luke

3:29 PM

@ThatBrazilianGuy At least you acknowledge the jokingness

allquixotic

pics or it didn't happen

That Brazilian Guy

No, wait, it does, it just doesn't display actual technical details

allquixotic

post it

That Brazilian Guy

Translation:

> Technical details: Partially encrypted connection. Parts of the displayed page aren't encrypted before being sent over the internet. Unencrypted Information is subject to interception.

allquixotic

either they made Firefox on Linux more strict about its definition of mixed content, or there's a partial MITM going on there

That Brazilian Guy

3:33 PM

So it's either nothing to worry about, or something to worry. Great! ;p

WTF. I just (1) opened firebug on the Network tab and (2) CTRL+F5... AND NOW FIREFOX TRUSTS IT.

Canadian Luke

Sweet, I'm the target of a serial downvoter... But not enough to activate the script :/

terdon

@CanadianLuke You want some more? :)

Canadian Luke

It's on Freelancing.SE

-2 37 mins ago downvote Fixed price development days contract
-2 37 mins ago downvote I have a meeting with a potential client tomorrow and I have no idea what to do.
-2 37 mins ago downvote May you include projects from books into your portfolio

Oliver Salzburg

@CanadianLuke If it was only 37 minutes ago, it wouldn't trigger the detection

AFAIK the task runs daily

Canadian Luke

I know

It's just irritating

And I'm pretty sure that only 3 downvotes won't activate the script anyways

Journeyman Geek

3:54 PM

whoot

repcapped :)

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