The Bridge

Frank

16:01

@Mbraedley I'm curious how you can do that.

Short of ripping them yourself.

MBraedley

There are ways to buy them legally. Guess how people get MAME ROMs

Frank

Not through downloading them.

MBraedley

I'm just saying we shouldn't close on the assumption of copyright infringement.

Frank

@Mbraedley Unless there's a way to download them legally, I'm unsure of what else we CAN do.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@MBraedley There is no legal way to get an N64 ROM of a commercial game from that era other than having a copy of the cartridge and ripping out the data yourself.

MAME is irrelevant.

His question wasn't about how to clean up his cartridge rips, it was about how to evaluate the stuff he was downloading off the internet, which is pretty clearly and obviously not being purchased from any legitimate seller, because there is no such thing for the product in question.

Krazer

16:12

To clarify, the backup/archival copy exception is a very narrow limitation relating to a copy being made by the rightful owner (i.e. not the internet) of an authentic game to ensure they have one in the event of damage or destruction of the original.

Fluttershy

@Lazers ... this is explained almost immediately in the game. <_<

MBraedley

That's all American law. All I'm saying is that just because it looks like copyright infringement does not mean we get to close it as such. We can still close for other reasons.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@MBraedley That's the law in any WIPO signatory, we've been over this before. I don't really care if it's legal in Cameroon.

MBraedley

ROMs are a grey area, whether it's SNES, Sega, or MAME ROMs.

RedRiderX

@fredley Ah much better

Now I can test both on my tablet :3

LessPop_MoreFizz

16:16

@MBraedley No, they aren't a grey area when it comes to their distribution over the internet. They might be a grey area morally, but the law is quite clear.

MBraedley

@LessPop_MoreFizz it doesn't preclude a legitimate distributer from selling them!

LessPop_MoreFizz

@MBraedley There's no such thing in the case of Nintendo games! Or for that matter, any other home console of the past 30 years.

the fact that such a thing might theoretically exist is pure mental masturbation of the highest order.

Lazers

0

Q: Are bosses usually in the same location during a challenge?

I'm trying to unlock the Golden Retriever animal class as the Beagle. However, I'm having a really hard time trying to find the boss animal to unlock. I'm in the correct district, I have looked all over the area, but I just cannot find him.

tokyo-jungle

MBraedley

But we shouldn't be closing the question because they don't exist, we should close because we aren't willing to find them if they do exist

LessPop_MoreFizz

I'm not really interested in arguing about what level of infringement or circumvention might be morally permissible, or might theoretically occur if the rights holder decided to change their mind about what they sell. The facts exist, and there's no reason for us to ignore them.

@MBraedley what the fuck are you even talking about

do you realize how little sense you are making right now

honestly

fredley

16:20

@RedRiderX You can! New binary required, as always

LessPop_MoreFizz

I am going to go do some work and not continue this fight

but I literally do not even comprehend this argument.

fredley

@RedRiderX tommedley.com/files/ChatSEy-0.6.apk

MBraedley

I don't care if his ROMs are legal. I don't care if he's looking for legal ROMs. I care that he's asking for a recommendation. That's why we should close the question.

Krazer

@MBraedley Alright, case closed. It's fine to discuss legal opinions (legal advice is a no-no, obvuiously), but SE mods aren't lawyers, for all things legal policy related (site, content, or otherwise), we defer to the community managers.

Lazers

0

Q: How do you get the AB Destroyer in Saints Row IV?

I looked all over the Airport but couldn't find it. Are there any prerequisites?

saints-row-4

MBraedley

16:32

@Krazer I know, I'm just stating my opinion that when we have to option of not playing the copyright card, we should take that option. Copyright can be a sticky mess that we don't want to deal with.

Especially when it's not obvious and clear that copyright infringement did, is, or will take place.

Krazer

I agree that it's fine to give ppl the benefit of the doubt, but we still need to let users know that these type (copyright-related) of topics are also off-topic

RedRiderX

I got bored again

@fredley Kewl

Before anyone says they want to be in it I literally took the list of active people when I made it

So be in chat more.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@MBraedley Except that it is obvious and clear, because he's explicitly talking about N64 ROMs, and trying to concoct some magical scenario wherein somebody might somehow magically convince Nintendo to change it's existing distribution policies is pollyannaish and missing the point.

Yuki

@RedRiderX But but but I was higher up on the active list than @kalina when you posted that.

And @Ronan for that matter.

Frank

How about another close vote on this?

MBraedley

16:46

@LessPop_MoreFizz Can you, with 100% assurance, know that Nintendo hasn't in the recent past and won't in the foreseeable future, change it's mind about distributing N64 ROMs, or provide (or license) a way of legally backing up a cartridge ROM? No, you can't.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@MBraedley Recent past? Absolutely. Forseeable future? Doesn't matter. I care about now.

MBraedley

@LessPop_MoreFizz Do you know what the board of directors did 5 seconds ago?

LessPop_MoreFizz

@MBraedley what happens in the boardroom is irrelevant. If you'd like to counter my statement with a meaningful statement of factual evidence, rather than whacking off to hypotheticals, please do so, otherwise this conversation isn't going to go anywhere.

Yuki

@MBraedley Do boards meet on Saturdays/Sundays? Barring emergency meetings, of course.

MBraedley

I'm just saying that the mere possibility of the question being on the up and up means that we should use copyright for a close reason as a last resort. We had other options here that we should have used. Mentioning copyright infringement is a Good Thing, but it isn't why the question should have been closed.

Lazers

16:57

0

Q: Why don't some demomen suffer from afterburn?

I've noticed lately (maybe the last couple of months), playing as Pyro, that sometimes I'll light a demoman on fire and he doesn't suffer any afterburn. As soon as I stop hitting him with flames, they go out. Is there some new Demoman item or something that is causing this?

team-fortress-2 tf2-pyro tf2-demoman

RedRiderX

@Yuki Well I made it before I posted it :P

3

There how about now?

3ventic

lol

RedRiderX

Compared with the original.

Yeah mobile chat is really shaping up

fredley

@RedRiderX thanks

RedRiderX

@fredley Do you think you should be able to hide that menu once you tap a message again?

Although that's what the X is for I guess.

fredley

17:12

@RedRiderX Could do. I think I might remove touchstart events as it's getting confused when scrolling

@RedRiderX Yeah

I want to make the style a bit nicer too

Although right now I'm cooking a roast

Which is unrelated to the activities I was undertaking earlier today

RedRiderX

@fredley :O

@fredley I'd say it looks pretty good.

fredley

@RedRiderX Just minor things, I'm pretty happy with it overall

RedRiderX

Maybe let the sites have a bit more influence over the style of those buttons

fredley

@RedRiderX Meh, not that bothered. That colour is the new meta.SE banner colour

I can change the transcript!

RedRiderX

Yeah it's not that bad

fredley

17:15

@RedRiderX If you were British that would be about the rudest possible thing you could say.

Although you are Canadian so it might be anyway

RedRiderX

No it's actually very versatile.

@fredley Interesting...

I'm not sure what else to work on for the tablet side

Maybe increase the size of links overall.

fredley

@RedRiderX Yeah, I haven't tried it in a while, but make buttons finger friendly.

RedRiderX

Oh and I was going to ask you, what is the best way to store options?

fredley

Feel free to use those images I'm using for mobile buttons, their higher res than the sprite

RedRiderX

Like an option for a dark theme?

fredley

17:19

@RedRiderX I'll build in a JS hook that deals with it

RedRiderX

Hmm okay

fredley

Or frankly just build it into the app

spugsley

HELLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

RedRiderX

Well I mean should I use local storage or...

fredley

Although old-style Android menus are no longer approved of

RedRiderX

17:20

I don't know what else I could use in this situation...

fredley

@RedRiderX localstorage doesn't work in webviews AFAIK

RedRiderX

@fredley Oh

fredley

@RedRiderX Don't worry about it yet

RedRiderX

Well then

@fredley Sure

fredley

@RedRiderX JS calls probably the easiest way, so something like Android.setTheme("dark");

RedRiderX

17:21

@fredley Ah okay

fredley

The Java code will manage persistence

Easier that way

RedRiderX

@fredley Ah I see

fredley

17:44

@RedRiderX Should have theme switching implemented soon

RedRiderX

@fredley Kewl

fredley

@RedRiderX So it'll be a cross between Java and JS code

@RedRiderX Ping the Java endpoint and it'll send down the appropriate css file, but it's up the the JS to get rid of the old. Java side will remember last theme set and include theme css in any future pageloads

StrixVaria

►

RedRiderX

@fredley So it will just inject the styles?

fredley

@RedRiderX Yup

@RedRiderX And remember

RedRiderX

17:52

Is there any way for the JS to tell what theme is selected?

fredley

@RedRiderX Yes

RedRiderX

Because it could just be encapsulated with a body class then

fredley

@RedRiderX I'll think on that, but should be straightforward

@RedRiderX neat, yes

@RedRiderX Ok, that might be a better way

@RedRiderX Ok, so now on pageload the server will include in all it's stuff a line something like setTheme("dark");

After everything else has been sent down

Including, presumably, a themes.css with all the themes

RedRiderX

I see

And this will work for tablet and mobile layouts?

fredley

@RedRiderX As long as all the styles are in the right place, and the hook is in the js

Origami Robot

17:57

@spugsley Go back to sleeeeeeeeeeep!

@StrixVaria Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?

Ender

Who else thinks @Fredley should have an easter egg as his avatar today?

Fluttershy

@OrigamiRobot Schadenfreude.

Origami Robot

@Fluttershy I'm not talking about the video

Fluttershy

Oh.

StrixVaria

18:14

@OrigamiRobot Wait what are you talking about then?

Origami Robot

DON'T ACT LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW

StrixVaria

wat

Lazers

0

Q: No Shoe Deal - NBA2K14 PS4 - PS4

So I just finished the playoffs with the Bulls, winning the playoffs. So now I played a game to start the season, then there's a cut scene at home. My agent tells me there's a KIA deal. Through I already got the deal before the playoffs started... I'm very mad. Here is some information: Team: C...

ps4 nba2k14

Origami Robot

I REFRESHED MY SCREEN. THIS IS REAL.

StrixVaria

Origami Robot

18:15

I'M LEAVING NOW

RedRiderX

18:31

@fredley It's starting to look not awful

Don't know what the colors of the star number should be though

fredley

@RedRiderX Nice!

@RedRiderX Like that looks cool

RedRiderX

The yelllow feels a bit off

But I think it's the yellow SE stars are

fredley

@RedRiderX Yeah, I guess

badp

@StrixVaria Strixvaria is mandatory

4

fredley

In the init.js I'm declaring a theme switch function

RedRiderX

18:36

@fredley Ah okay

fredley

@RedRiderX Pushed changes to my branch, doesn't seem to have borken anything yet

Woo, theme switching works

Just from the console, but I'll merge it into master

When you're dealing with theme switching, use Android.setTheme()

Unionhawk

Don't judge code on whether or not it works; judge it instead on whether or not it is broken/broke something/banned someone on accident. USER WAS FAT-FINGERED FOR THIS POST

fredley

As for current theme you can read it from the body class

For full site shouldn't be any other classes on there

FEichinger

@RedRiderX What on Earth ...

badp

@FEichinger @RedRiderX is an up and coming Bridge fanfic writer.

By posting his work on the Bridge, everything becomes wonderfully meta.

Soon enough, fanfics about real discussions about fake fanfics will start

FEichinger

18:45

My head. It hurts.

badp

> "And it shall be glorious," badp finished, waiting for a pained response from @FEi.

2

> It was then that @RonanForman peeked into the room, and the first thing he read was, "It was then that @RonanForman peeked into the room." He proceeded to leave the room expeditiously.

Unionhawk

@FEichinger Protip: stop thinking about a Bridge fanfic. It will end in nightmares.

Ronan Forman

Unfortunately I read the @FEich message first.

badp

@Unionhawk And that would be terrible for the people living under his bed

Lazers

0

Q: How do you get the Angry Tiger in Saints Row IV?

Pretty self-explanatory. Couldn't find anything on the wiki or online in general.

saints-row-4

FEichinger

18:50

In all honesty ... I'm more confused as to why I'm Stanislaw Sosabowski.

RedRiderX

@FEichinger I have my reasons

Those being no reasons at all

badp

I didn't know you were ontologically challenged, @RedRiderX

RedRiderX

@fredley And pass in a theme alias or... what?

Unionhawk

@badp Exactly, you might wake @spugsley in your terror @FEi

FEichinger

...

closes tab

Unionhawk

18:52

Lies

I'm calling your bluff right now

RedRiderX

SO MANY UNTRUTHS

Unionhawk

Worst case scenario I'm exercising my right to be wrong on the internet.

@fredley oi

Oh that was @badp

@badp oi

RedRiderX

@FEichinger Are you questioning my knowledge of existence!?

badp

@Unionhawk the ban button is right next to the "report as wrong to the secret internet police" one

RedRiderX

Good. Maybe you can find me some more answers.

Unionhawk

18:56

I was referring to when @fredley accidentally banned @RedRiderX with JavaScript tyvm

badp

@RedRiderX no, that was me

bbl

RedRiderX

@Unionhawk Heh that was fun

And by fun I mean not fun at all

@badp GOLL DARN WHY DOES CHAT KEEP MOVING

Ronan Forman

@RedRiderX Go home, you're drunk.

RedRiderX

BUT I AM HOME

AND I'M NOT DRUNK I WAS JUST BUILDING A DECK

WELL

I WAS JUST HAMMERING NAILS ON A DECK

WELL

I WAS HAMMERING

ON A DECK

fredley

@RedRiderX is hammered

RedRiderX

19:07

ಠ_ಠ

It's looking less awful by the minute.

Hmm

I'm not actually sure where to put the settings

On mobile it could just be another menu page

badp

VOICE CONTROLLED SETTINGS!!

RedRiderX

I don't know about tablet

badp

"Ok RedRiderEcs, give me the dark skin"

RedRiderX

@badp This is the obvious solution.

Bam, dark skin achieved.

ish

badp

Steam. Steam. You're drunk steam. Go offline.

badp

19:43

...and unsurprisingly Tower of Guns runs unplayably slow.

You'd think running a single player FPS at low framerate would help (usually that means playing with a slowdown) but that's not the case.

heh. at.arizona.edu

Lazers

0

Q: Can I create my own warp connection?

Playing as Sol Force one of my systems went supernova. Besides costing the lives of a billion of my citizens, which by itself was already pretty inconvenient, there are now no active node connections between two halves of my empire. Is there a way to create my own connection between the two h...

sword-of-the-stars-2

MBraedley

20:13

Summer Glau was being a badass on Arrow again, and then she got shot. She's just so awesome when she's being a badass.

And then spoilers happened

Fluttershy

I really don't like her character.

I don't like Summer Glau in a lot of things, actually, now that I'm thinking about it.

badp

uh

after playing 1 world of Krunch, I'm 120th on its global leaderboards.

Poor Krunch.

RedRiderX

20:38

An interesting picture

Newly Opened Proposals for Entertainment

1

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Proposed Q&A site for this site is for the ballet teacher, dancer, student, and enthusiasts.

Currently in definition.

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Proposed Q&A site for people who work in the field of Personal Coaching. Many Personal Coaches are members of the International Coach Federation (http://coachfederation.org).

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Proposed Q&A site for extremely resourceful and crafty people who can help transform a specific household item or material into another useful item to prevent unnecessary waste. The asker should give general or specific guidance to the desired end product.

Currently in definition.

FEichinger

Ohai @NOPE.

badp

Good ol Nope

Braiam

wat

Ullallulloo

20:53

@NewlyOpenedProposalsforEntertainment This like it will become an upstanding site.

users also following
100.0% Trolling
100.0% Social Engineering

FEichinger

@Ullallulloo We have a "Trolling" proposal on A51?

Ullallulloo

25

Trolling

Proposed Q&A site for this site is for any part of Trolling. For those who want to prevent trolling, design systems that discourage trolling, or for people who want to successfully troll others.

Currently in definition.

3

25 followers

badp

table status: [ ] standing upright [ ] standing upside down [×] in non-controlled flight

fredley

@RedRiderX Is borken for me, borken for you?

FEichinger

@Ullallulloo I am slightly disturbed by the fact that 20% are also following Moderators.

3ventic

20:56

@FEichinger Well, 2 of them are moderators.

FEichinger

@3ventic That's still less than half of those 20%!

badp

*3

recent followers
added 56 secs ago
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66.3k●69●372●858

3ventic

Well, trolls need to know about moderation to bypass it, don't they :p

fredley

@badp 'Follow' is not the same as 'support'

badp

Good thing we're talking about followers.

fredley

20:58

I just want to see what happens

badp

What happens is the site moves forward with enough supporters!

fredley

Whoever proposed it is clearly an expert in their field

badp

@fredley His MSO participation is actually pretty weak

fredley

@badp ~~MSO~~ MSE

s/MSO/MSE/g

badp

IRRELEVANT

> seen Oct 22 '13 at 14:24

fredley

21:00

@badp HIGHLY RELEVANT

badp

He's never even seen MSE

ALSO NOT RELEVANT:

►

fredley

@badp MORE RELEVANT THAN PREVIOUS IRRELEVANCE

badp

IRRELEVANCE LEVELS RISING

fredley

@badp MAXIMUM OVERIRRELEVANCE

badp

NACK

Minimum underrelevance would be along the lines of "I AM ALARMINGLY TALLER THAN A REFERENCE PEAR."

I think.

Not even.

I think it'd need to involve something not in here

fredley

21:06

@badp FIRST GIS RESULT:

badp

TALLER THAN REFERENCE PEAR LEVELS: [ ] NORMAL [ ] TROUBLING [×] ALARMING?

Martin Sojka

21:17

DÉ GVSTIBVS NÓN EST DISPVTANDVM

RedRiderX

@fredley haven't downloaded in a while

What is borken?

fredley

@RedRiderX Think I've got it

JS that's injected to load themes.css was borken

yarp

badp

@MartinSojka de accentibus est

RedRiderX

So are the build being pushed to S3 yet?

Martin Sojka

Hmm? I didn't put any accents anywhere, as far as I can see.

fredley

21:27

@RedRiderX Yes, but manual not automatic

RedRiderX

Ah right

Uhh

Where on S3?

fredley

s3://chatsey

RedRiderX

I still only see remote

fredley

Oh, sorry

builds are not pushed yet

RedRiderX

...

fredley

21:28

I'M DRUNK DEAL WITH IT

4

ahem

RedRiderX

OKAY WHERE IS THE LINK NOW

fredley

@RedRiderX THE LINK IS IN ANOTHER CASTLE

RedRiderX

@fredley WERE YOU HAMMERING DECKS TOO

fredley

@RedRiderX NO BUT I WAS EATING ROAST

James

@fredley At this hour!?

RedRiderX

21:29

@fredley SAME THING

fredley

@James THIS HOUR IS AN APPROPRIATE HOUR

James

@fredley Pft

fredley

@RedRiderX HAMMERING DECKS == EATING ROAST: DATA ACCEPTED

DO YOU WANT A BUILD OR NOT?

RedRiderX

HMMMF

WELL MAYBE I DONT

fredley

@RedRiderX I'M ADDING BUILDS TO THE BUILD

RedRiderX

21:31

SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN

fredley

BECAUSE I HEARD YOU LIKE BUILDS

RedRiderX

REALLY

WHO TOLD YOU THAT

FEichinger

WHY ARE WE YELLING?

RedRiderX

@FEichinger WHAT!?

NOTHING COULD POSSIBLE WRONG NOPE NOTHING LOOKS STRANGE HERE

James

@FEichinger ILL DO IT! Ill take the Ring to Mordor!

fredley

21:34

*{text-transform: lowercase;}

RedRiderX

@fredley This is the obvious solution

fredley

@RedRiderX I actually have it in my stylesheet for Origami

RedRiderX

Heh

fredley

.user-16521 .messages .message .content {
    text-transform: lowercase;
}

RedRiderX

Heh

Easter egg

fredley

21:35

Ought to add that to ChatSEy...

RedRiderX

Yes please

It's like the new ignore

the lowercase virus in the stylesheet

fredley

git commit -m "Quieten OrigamiRobot"

btw builds are on S3

somewhere

RedRiderX

Kewl

fredley

/builds/ChatSEy-0.7.apk

RedRiderX

Oh we're up to .7 already?

fredley

21:37

Next up: URL intercepts

Yup

RedRiderX

@fredley Yeah all other se links open in app

@fredley So like chatsey.s3.amazonaws.com/builds/ChatSEy-0.7.apk

fredley

@RedRiderX Yup, I'll register it for chat.SE.com

@RedRiderX yes?

Unionhawk

@FEichinger CAN YOU KEEP IT DOWN IN HERE? JEEZ.

fredley

5 mins ago, by fredley

*{text-transform: lowercase;}

Unionhawk

@fredley I'LL TEXT TRANSFORM YOUR FACE

RedRiderX

21:39

@Unionhawk No silly that's font-family

@fredley is this build supposed to have the stuff I committed today?

fredley

@RedRiderX Did you push to master?

Also have you been writing Java code? Because that's the only thing that affects the build

RedRiderX

@fredley I think so

@fredley And I don't think so

fredley

RedRiderX

Oooh right

@fredley Oooooh

fredley

@RedRiderX New JS is loaded at runtime

But new Java requires a new build

RedRiderX

21:43

But I have to upload the new js and css?

fredley

As long as you push your updated JS to S3

@RedRiderX Yes

RedRiderX

Ooooooooooooh

Oops

fredley

Silky @RedRiderX

RedRiderX

@fredley Oooh so soft

So suave

fredley

Mobile chat still has its issues...

RedRiderX

21:44

So light

So fresh

fredley

Very luxury

RedRiderX

So... debonair.

fredley

@RedRiderX lol

Unionhawk

@fredley wow

RedRiderX

> we use only the finest redriderx in our products

@fredley so how am I supposed to refresh the js and css the app is pulling

I uploaded the new stuff to S3

fredley

21:48

@RedRiderX Just reload the page

It'll pull the new files

Or go back to the menu and back into chat

or something

Any time you update the files that's what the app fetches

@RedRiderX When we do a proper release we'll freeze the JS/CSS into a folder for that release

But this works for now

RedRiderX

Ah probably a good idea

Yeah... I still don't see the new stuff...

What the heck

fredley

@RedRiderX Without the Chrome debug tools it's hard to work out why

unf

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