The Frying Pan

Cerberus

12:30 AM

Yeah, or so we thought?

Perhaps it is an anniversarial honeymoon?

Do people do such things?

SAJ14SAJ

12:40 AM

@Cerberus I guess people take anniversary tripes, but I have not really heard of a delayed honeymoon. I suspect Yami was just waiting for a suitable tiee in her financial and working life.

Cerberus

Anniversary tripes? Eww.

SAJ14SAJ

@Cerberus Trips. Although I have to wonder about someone being icked out over tripe when they are willing to eat raw herring :-)

Cerberus

Poop ≠ fish.

I don't remember, did you eat sushi? Sashimi?

Salmon "tartare"?

SAJ14SAJ

No, I don't eat any of those things,

I tried sushi when I was younger but didn't like it.

Cerberus

Okay.

No tuna steak, either?

SAJ14SAJ

12:59 AM

I have no moral objection to it, but if I am going to eat fish, I prefer something milder, a white fish. I like tuna for tuna salad sandwiches pretty much.

The best way to eat fish is fresh from the tandorii at a really good Indian restaurant, don't know how they do it.

Cerberus

No smoked salmon?

Smoked mackerel?

I absolutely love smoked fish.

SAJ14SAJ

Not my favorite things, I like to eat animals with four limbs.

Cerberus

They have fins!

SAJ14SAJ

I don't think those count!

Cerberus

I think they do!

I asked yesterday.

SAJ14SAJ

1:02 AM

I have no objection to your eating fish.

Asked what yesterday?

Cerberus

Whether they count.

I was told yes.

SAJ14SAJ

I didn't know there was an authority to ask.

Cerberus

No?

A pity.

SAJ14SAJ

I realized that mostly I eat dinosaurs. With the occasional pig or cow as a guest, and rarely a lamb. If I go to an Indian or Caribbean restaurant I have no objection to goat.

Tonight I had kung pao chicken.

Cerberus

Hmm.

Somehow I suspect that a spinosaurus did not taste quite like a chicken.

SAJ14SAJ

1:08 AM

Bet it wasn't so far offf.

Cerberus

SAJ14SAJ

Then again, there is some variation between ducks and chickens and geese and turkeys..... spinies were probably within that envelope.

Just... you know.... bulk economy size.

Cerberus

If you say so.

Just as ostriches are exactly like turkey.

SAJ14SAJ

I don't think I said that. But I haven't tried any ostrich, so I don't know.

Cerberus

It's more like beef.

SAJ14SAJ

1:13 AM

@Cerberus In what way?

@rfusca We see you....

Cerberus

@SAJ14SAJ Everything.

The colour, the texture, the taste.

I mean, it's not beef.

But it resembles beef more than chicken.

rfusca

@SAJ14SAJ i'm invisible, i swear

SAJ14SAJ

@rfusca Of course you are, but I have the +2 power of detect invisibility.

rfusca

ok, thats just dorky

:D

SAJ14SAJ

@rfusca Look where you are, sir!

If you come up to Maryland, you can have some leftover kung pao.

rfusca

1:39 AM

lol

i've never had kung pao

I went for a walk today during lunch. I said 'hello' or some such sentiment to a homeless man who then proceeded to break down in tears and just thank me for 'noticing him':

SAJ14SAJ

You and your handy Pentax?

rfusca

yup

SAJ14SAJ

So you are happy with it?

rfusca

very

SAJ14SAJ

You can give him a print.

rfusca

1:46 AM

I am going to.

He also got some coffee and a big mac :)

SAJ14SAJ

I am sure that a circumstance even a Big Mac is good.

rfusca

indeed

his name is Lary

(with one 'r')

and he's got some mental health issues

That is not unusual.

oh, I know

Its very sad.

1:49 AM

It is sad

many homeless come from either mental health issues and/or addiction issues

SAJ14SAJ

Sure ja....

rfusca

there are many, many homeless in downtown atlanta

it was one of the things I struggled with adapting to when I lived in Atlanta 10 years ago for GA Tech - coming from a small arkansas town to see the homeless like that

SAJ14SAJ

I understand, I never got used to it in NYC or DC.

rfusca

ya

when the olympics came in '96, they would round them up and stick them on buses out to the 'burbs

SAJ14SAJ

And what happened there?

And why didn't the burbs protest at the transferrence of the problem?

rfusca

1:56 AM

they did, they didn't like it. It gave the homeless the idea to take the transit system and beg in the burbs for the future

SAJ14SAJ

Well, you can always sleep under the Big Chicken.

rfusca

so now the suburbs protest at extending the public transit further for fear of more homeless

SAJ14SAJ

I am not sure that makes sense.

rfusca

2:12 AM

it doesn't have to

SAJ14SAJ

@rfusca Well, that is true in politics.

rfusca

indeed

SAJ14SAJ

But usually they are more selfish than that; one would think the benefits of economic develop would outweigh increased social services costs.

Cerberus

@rfusca Oh that's interesting.

I wonder, do you have more or fewer beggars than we do?

rfusca

2:47 AM

@Cerberus no idea

Cerberus

I tried to look it up, but I'm seeing contradictory information: probably registration and definitions vary too much.

rfusca

@Cerberus yup

Cerberus

Beggars should be organised more neatly.

rfusca

they probably lack a proper union :)

Cerberus

Ugh, have they no consideration for us statisticians?

rfusca

2:56 AM

i know, right?

Cerberus

Most inconvenient.

rfusca

Ok, 1 5x7 print scheduled to be picked up tomorrow for him

SAJ14SAJ

I would have guessed you made your own prints.

rfusca

nah, not worth it

when I was shooting professionally, I had Bay Photo do all my prints. Good prices and great quality

SAJ14SAJ

What Bay would that be? ARe there bays near Alabama or Atlanta?

rfusca

3:08 AM

Out in San Fransisco

SAJ14SAJ

That seems a little far away.

rfusca

ok?

the mailed them, its a marvelous invention, you should try it

SAJ14SAJ

No quality local shops?

rfusca

nobody in Central Arkansas

brb

SAJ14SAJ

I don't like the mail. They have very poor service. What good does a little slip telling me a package is at the post office do for me? I like UPS or FedEx.

Cerberus

3:13 AM

Your normal mail doesn't deliver to your door?

I must say I myself rather prefer picking it up at the supermarket.

SAJ14SAJ

ONly in much older single family home neighborhoods.

Cerberus

Hmm.

SAJ14SAJ

Your mail goes to the supermarket?

Cerberus

You can pick where to pick it up or when to have it delivered.

Many supermarkets are/have package pick-up points.

It's fairly new.

They have much better opening hours than post offices.

SAJ14SAJ

Interesting, I haven't noticed the ones here offering that service, although there are package and mail stores. They don't tend to have amazingly good hours either but longer than the post office.

Cerberus

3:29 AM

Package and mail stores?

And what do you pay to send, say, a package of 4 books to someone 200 km away?

It's about € 7 here.

Basically it's € 7 for anything up 2kg that won't fit into your letterbox.

I apologise for the European units.

But I think you are more familiar with them than I with your units.

SAJ14SAJ

My kitty had enough petting , I can type again

Cerberus

Haha.

SAJ14SAJ

The stores offer pickup, maybe mailbox service, packing services, sell boxes, light office supplies, stuff like that. Some of them offer business services like computer time or copying or printing.

I have no idea what shipping costs are like; I almost never send packages. They come to me from Amazon.

Cerberus

I see.

Selling your old stuff to eager buyers is fun.

But a bit of a hassle.

SAJ14SAJ

I have never done that.

My old basement ended up in the dumpster after the flood

Cerberus

3:35 AM

Oh, you had a flood?

SAJ14SAJ

YEah, a couple years ago after the big storm hurricane fringe effects. An inch or so of water in the basement.,

Cerberus

Hmm annoying.

SAJ14SAJ

It was just stuff.

Although I regret loosing 20 years of books.

Cerberus

Perhaps you should move to a flat place below sea level, just to be sure?

The books weren't salvageable?

SAJ14SAJ

No, I had been sorting and rearranging them, so there were stacks on the floor. It was not pretty.

Cerberus

3:40 AM

I, for one, am very glad I managed to pull my Oxford Latin Dictionary out of the burned, wet, moulding wreckage of my apartment.

SAJ14SAJ

I am sure the Netherlands would not let an old IT guy immigrate. Plus I don't like herring or speak dutch other than stoopwafel and bitterballen.

Cerberus

Hmm the herring could be a problem.

SAJ14SAJ

You lit your apartment on fire? Why? :-)

I hope you weren't in it.

Cerberus

I was.

SAJ14SAJ

What happened?

Cerberus

3:42 AM

I was in the room when my deep-frying pan caught fire.

It was my own fault.

SAJ14SAJ

And it spread? Were you hurt?

Cerberus

No, I wasn't hurt.

It spread, though the construction of the house itself was not really damaged.

SAJ14SAJ

And you have never deep fried again?

Cerberus

Years later, I deep-fried again, this time with a safe pan.

I used to just poor oil into a regular pan on the stove, like everyone else.

SAJ14SAJ

That is what I would do.

But one with tall sides.

Cerberus

3:46 AM

That turns out to be incredibly dangerous, no. 1 cause of serious house fires.

It had tall sides.

Something like this.

SAJ14SAJ

I am not sure I believe that is typical or representational.

Cerberus

That is what I saw, approximately.

Within 30 seconds of hearing it catch fire.

SAJ14SAJ

What did you do to cause that?

Cerberus

There was maybe 1 litre of oil in the pan.

I left it on the stove for too long.

Like 20 minutes instead of 5 or whatever.

I was doing something on my computer in the same room, forgot about it.

SAJ14SAJ

That would definitely fall in the category of choosing unwisely.

Cerberus

3:51 AM

Quite.

But forgetting something is hardly a choice...

SAJ14SAJ

I was thinking of leaving the deep frying unattended.

Cerberus

It also happened to my friend, but I think he had less oil and some other favourable circumstance. His ceiling was dark grey after the fire, though.

Yes, well, unattended as in sitting in the same room but not actively standing next to it.

So I must evangelise here: make sure you use a deep-frying pan with a thermostat, or at the very least a timer.

SAJ14SAJ

I don't do it, haven't done it years.

The cleanup and oil disposal issues are a pain.

Cerberus

Yeah true.

And it's not particularly healthy.

SAJ14SAJ

I just got a silver badge for "food safety"... oh boy.

First rule of food safety: never eat pomegranate seeds in Hades.

SAJ14SAJ

10:52 AM

Tuesday! The excitement!

SAJ14SAJ

2:38 PM

Where is everyone today?

wax eagle

I'm here, but trying to figure out how to validate file extensions for HTML multiple boxes

SAJ14SAJ

@waxeagle Multiple boxes?

wax eagle

@SAJ14SAJ sorry, file inputs with the multiple property

SAJ14SAJ

Using the default browser control?

wax eagle

@SAJ14SAJ aye

I think I have it

SAJ14SAJ

2:44 PM

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Q: JQuery validate file inputs

Hi I need to validate a file input type : <form onsubmit="return validate()"> <input type="file" name="File" class="multi" /> <input type="file" name="File" class="multi" /> <input type="file" name="File" class="multi" /> <input type="file" name="File" class="multi" /> <input type="submit" name=...

But do you use the jCrack? Everytone seems to.

I generally use Dojo, but that is an accident of history.

wax eagle

@SAJ14SAJ just straight javascript generally

our requirements are pretty simple

and most of the structure is already in place, so part of figuring out how to solve the problem is working within the existing form structure

SAJ14SAJ

2:55 PM

I could never do straight javascript, just because it is so much work....

wax eagle

@SAJ14SAJ yeah, if I ever do a personal project I'll use libraries...but like I said, our reqs aren't real complicated (mostly just form validation), and most of it's already done

SAJ14SAJ

3:37 PM

I cannot imagine doing form validation without support, just for convenience and productivity! @waxeagle

SAJ14SAJ

4:40 PM

@rumtscho @jefromi How does a 2 day old question get over 3.5k views when similarly aged questions have less than 100? Did we get linked somewhere? Do your superpowered moderator tools give data? cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/42962/…

I am not complaining, as it is rapidly becoming one of my best rated answers, but it is really really surprising on what I thought was a kind of minor but interesting observation.

wax eagle

@SAJ14SAJ they probably don't have anything specific to the question. mod analytics don't have details like that :(

at the very least it probably hit the hot questions list which can net that many views

SAJ14SAJ

@waxeagle I didn't see it there... I even went to Skeptics in case questions from ones own site don't show.

I don;t think I have ever seen one of our questions hit the hot list, not that I pay it that much attention.

wax eagle

it's the 5th result on google for "Why is 350 degrees so common"

rumtscho

Recently, the hot question list seems to not be so stable

it seems to change a lot within a few minutes

SAJ14SAJ

@waxeagle I am having a hard time imagining searching for that :-)

@rumtscho Hey Rumster. How you are.

rumtscho

4:50 PM

which makes me think that maybe they implemented a larger pool of hot questions and are showing a subset of it at each page load

@SAJ14SAJ so-so. In some state which tries to decide whether to go into full blown cold mode or not.

SAJ14SAJ

@rumtscho I recommend "not" :-)

rumtscho

@SAJ14SAJ I'm trying to nudge it to "not" too :) which means that yesterday, I sat at my computer at home with a cowl around my head and a poncho around my midrif

at first I felt like a Muslim woman must feel, then I rearranged the cowl to look like a Sith lord.

SAJ14SAJ

@rumtscho Very very fashionable! Can we get pictures? :-)

Did you still work on the great Diss?

rumtscho

@SAJ14SAJ yes, I did. Although I had a hard time concentrating. But I pushed myself through.

SAJ14SAJ

@rumtscho Welcome to the dark side.

rumtscho

4:53 PM

It is strange. You know how your back can get sore and stiff and tender to the touch? This is what I have in my scalp now. It is like a headache, but on the outside of the skull.

SAJ14SAJ

@rumtscho Ouchies. Have you had some asperin?

rumtscho

@SAJ14SAJ yes, but it didn't work.

But today I seem to feel better, so I hope that the worst is over.

SAJ14SAJ

@rumtscho Sorry to hear that. I recommend liberal quantities of hot chocolate, then.

rumtscho

@SAJ14SAJ if chocolate is what you always prescribe, I wish I could make you my family physician

SAJ14SAJ

@rumtscho I believe chocolate is effective for about 85% of things... the trick is knowing what kind!

Also, I never poke and prod.

I have to go to a meeting now. Hope you feel better Rumi

see you Wax

rumtscho

4:58 PM

have a productive meeting @SAJ14SAJ

SAJ14SAJ

6:29 PM

@rumtscho It wasn't too bad. And it is snowing here, so I am going home shortly and will finish working from there.

Jefromi

7:28 PM

@rumtscho Yes, hot questions are now semi-randomized - they show you a different selection from the top N each time meta.stackoverflow.com/a/222993/133299

I think they maybe made it a little less stable than they meant to.

@SAJ14SAJ The full list is on the main stackexchange site (stackexchange.com/questions?pagesize=50) - it's not there now but I wouldn't be surprised if it was there before.

SAJ14SAJ

@Jefromi Interesting. When you get two orders of magnitude difference in traffic, you just have to wonder.

Its snowing here.... :-( How is the west coast?

Jefromi

I'm sure google traffic doesn't hurt either in general, but [why is 350 degrees so common] isn't nearly a popular enough query, and it's not ranking for more generic things like [why 350 degrees].

(And [why 180 degrees] is mostly about geometry not temperature.)

West coast is good as usual!

SAJ14SAJ

@Jefromi That makes sense

@Jefromi Jealousy reigns.

Cerberus

7:47 PM

Wow.

@SAJ14SAJ Snowing, really??

wax eagle

snowing here too

SAJ14SAJ

@Cerberus Sure, ja, you betcha.

Cerberus

Is all of this because of the land climate?

Wow!

It's nearly april...

SAJ14SAJ

@waxeagle I have this vague recollection that you are in texas?

wax eagle

@SAJ14SAJ North Georgia/SE TN

SAJ14SAJ

7:48 PM

@waxeagle Ah.... so panic has set in, then?

Cerberus

Then again, we have a saying, aprilletje zoet heeft nog wel eens een witte hoed: sweet april sometimes has a white hat.

wax eagle

@SAJ14SAJ nah, nothing is really sticking yet

Cerberus

@waxeagle That's fairly southern, isn't it?

It's not freezing?

SAJ14SAJ

@waxeagle When I spent a lot of time in Atlanta, the mere rumor of an alleged possible hypothetical flake could induce panic.

wax eagle

@Cerberus yeah,

Cerberus

7:49 PM

Odd.

cherishes Gulf Stream

SAJ14SAJ

@Cerberus Not at all. It is not uncommon. It only has to be cold enough to make flakes at the altitude the clouds are at. It is about 33 (1) here in MD.

wax eagle

@Cerberus it is, but it's been warm, so the ground is melting most of it

it's close enough to freezing here that there was accumulation on the web cam I was watching 10 minutes ago, then the sun came out and now it's gone again

Cerberus

@SAJ14SAJ MD?

wax eagle

Maryland

Cerberus

Ah.

So it is close to freezing, OK.

wax eagle

8:09 PM

it's ~32(0C) with a wind chill of 22 (-?C)

at least where that web cam is.

SAJ14SAJ

@Cerberus Maryland the state in which I love--that is the postal code.

Cerberus

9:03 PM

@waxeagle Pretty cold!! 22F must be like -5C.

@SAJ14SAJ Whom?

SAJ14SAJ

@Cerberus Sadly a felicitous typo

Cerberus

Hehe.

Or a feline one?

SAJ14SAJ

@Cerberus I love my kitties, but.... only as pets.

Cerberus

Hehe OK OK.

"We can still be friends."

SAJ14SAJ

I could not type earlier when you asked a question because Suivie was sitting on me getting petted. It makes typing very difficult--she is very large.

Cerberus

9:10 PM

Good.

Jefromi

11:33 PM

Ad hoc survey:

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Q: What should I do with 100% cacao square?

I received a fancy box of chocolate squares as a gift. One of the squares is 100% cacao (no sugar). It is very small, but I would like to make something with it to share. Any ideas how I can use this bit of chocolate? The dessert/dish I make can be something small. Easy desserts are best, I'm a m...

dessert

I know it's really a recipe request but it feels almost like the culinary use questions, in that you actually have pretty limited options for usefully using a very small quantity of chocolate...

SAJ14SAJ

11:51 PM

@Jefromi The thing is that there is no use for it other than eating it as a unique experience, which is why it is small--its very strong. But its probably not even an ounce to use in a recipe.

So if you allow it under the reare and special ingredient circumstance, I don't think there is a good answer anyway.

Jefromi

I was thinking maybe... chocolate shavings?

SAJ14SAJ

I would never use unsweetended for that, but how would you shave a tiny piece?

Jefromi

I don't know!

but maybe a knife/peeler/whatever across the edge of the square would do ok?

SAJ14SAJ

Neither do I, unless you have the patience of a saint.

To what end?

This is like asking, what are the culinary uses of tobacco in a vegan diet? You could probably wstretch and find some, but that doesn't make it a good or interesting question.

Jefromi

Just to use on top of something simple-ish, so that you taste the chocolate more than you would if it were actually in a dessert (or you can make more out of it than just a few bites).

I'm not saying I know a great answer, but I don't exactly see it as a recipe request either, because there's basically no recipes, no whole dishes, to make out of a tiny piece of chocolate, right?

SAJ14SAJ

11:54 PM

Not that I am aware of, and I am a chocolate freak.

Its use is to eat it straight, much like drinking a high quality balsamic vingegar as an aperitif, but without all the other usefulness (at least in tiny quantities).

Jefromi

haha

SAJ14SAJ

Even brownies would need a couple ounces for an 8x8 batch.

Rumi is probably asleep by now, but you could leave it until tomorrow and see what she thinks.

Jefromi

Only a couple ounces?

SAJ14SAJ

Yeah, the typical ratio is 4 oz unsweetened or so to a 9x13 tray, and an 8x8 is half of that.

Jefromi

hmmmm I thought I remembered more like 6-8 for a 9x13, maybe my brownies were too chocolatey.

SAJ14SAJ

11:57 PM

That would be for bittersweet or semisweet, although some people go a little crazy :-)

And while I havse discovered, contrary to any reasonable expectation, there is such a thing as too much garlic, I have never seen that with chocolate!

Jefromi

aha, I knew you were that close vote

SAJ14SAJ

Sure....

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