AskUbuntu Classroom Discussion - Packaging

Mad-scientist

15:54

Is this discussion also cancelled?

Stefano Palazzo

@Madscientist cancelled?

Mad-scientist

16:15

Yesterday's event was cancelled/postponed?

The Evil Phoenix

due to a personal event of @MarcoCeppi's

this session will continue as scheduled for 18:00UTC

as will the next session that immediately follows at 19:30UTC

Mad-scientist

Kool.Looking forward to it.

The Evil Phoenix

now i have to load a few other things on this new system...

but then i should be good to go

18:00UTC is about 2PM here (14:00) so if my time info is right, that's in about 2 hours

dv3500ea

Isn't that in 40 mins?

The Evil Phoenix

12:21 here

dv3500ea

16:21

Ah no it's 1hr 40 mins

The Evil Phoenix

The Basics of Packaging on Ubuntu export
Starts in 1 hour (in your timezone, that's 14:00 on Saturday), lasts 90 minutes.

oh that reminds me i need to give @Stefano god powers in here...

dv3500ea

wolframalpha.com/input/?i=utc%20time

^ utc time

Stefano Palazzo

@TheEvilPhoenix no need

Feeds

The Evil Phoenix has added Stefano Palazzo to the list of this room's owners.

The Evil Phoenix

@Stefano but i want ya to have it :P

so THERE

Stefano Palazzo

16:23

okay then :)

(I have them anyway)

The Evil Phoenix

room topic changed to AskUbuntu Classroom Discussion - Packaging: Discussion channel for the Classroom Sessions regarding Packaging. Instructor: The Evil Phoenix Moderators: Stefano Pallazo.

true because of that diamond next to your name

regardless

Stefano Palazzo

so just to be clear everyone, the session starts in 1 hour and 36 minutes - whatever that is on your clocks

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The Evil Phoenix

i just want to make sure the access tab lists who i want :P

The Evil Phoenix

16:59

@Rinzwind sure you don't want moderator? the offer's still on the table

for this class session :P

Rinzwind

:D

you still do not have someone? tsk

The Evil Phoenix

i have @Stefano i think

never hurts to have a second mod :p

now what was i doing... oh right

i was beating this system with a stick

Rinzwind

lol

Stefano Palazzo

heh did I agree to that? :D

The Evil Phoenix

oh good the packaging environment is all configured

Rinzwind

17:01

Yes you did >:-D

The Evil Phoenix

of course BOTH of you can moderate the chat

Stefano Palazzo

well, I can moderate I s'pöse, don't know if I'm still breathing by the time the second session starts

The Evil Phoenix

and @StefanoPalazzo you're a darn mod anyways :P

lol

well in that case if you die @Rinzwind can take over

Rinzwind

:D

The Evil Phoenix

make sure he has voice in classroom :P

finishes building the environment and begins uploading screenshots to the internet

Stefano Palazzo

17:02

yeah he has

write access that is :)

Rinzwind

me? :X

The Evil Phoenix

*** Important Links For Class Session \*\*\*
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete

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The Evil Phoenix

17:34

The session on Packaging will begin in 25 minutes.

*** FILES YOU WILL NEED ***
http://kor.trekweb.org/packaging/class-files.zip <--- Files we will use for packaging demonstrations created and owned by myself for this class session.

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Amith kk

17:52

Hello all

@TheEvilPhoenix the Packaging files are there right?

The Evil Phoenix

@Amithkk i'll give you the tutorial of installation of required programs duringi the session

Amith kk

K

The Evil Phoenix

but for the class, i will be creating a package out of that ZIP

its just a lousy .sh script i wrote in 5 minutes :P

but it can be placed in a package xD

Amith kk

SESSION START

The Evil Phoenix

nope, 5 minutes

Stefano Palazzo

17:55

@all Please try to make your questions as concise as you can - I think this will be a very busy session ;)

Rinzwind

5 more

Amith kk

Cue @MarcoCeppi

Rinzwind

hey if a .sh works in 5 min... why waste a 6th on it?

The Evil Phoenix

@Rinzwind i spent 5 seconds writing the command. the other 4 minutes, 55 seconds was me writing the Terms of Use into the script :P

Amith kk

I bet sara will stop this session too :)

LOL

Rinzwind

17:56

:D

Amith kk

James Gifford

Can someone explain what is going on? has been out of the loop

dv3500ea

nice cardboard box

The Evil Phoenix

@James chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/663/classroom?tab=schedule

Amith kk

Rinzwind

17:57

@JamesGifford next classroom sessing starting in 3 min about packaging

The Evil Phoenix

The session will begin in 2 minutes

James Gifford

@TheEvilPhoenix @Rinzwind ah ok thanks. marks himself as attending

The Evil Phoenix

@James also for future ref: meta.askubuntu.com/questions/1568/…

James Gifford

@TheEvilPhoenix reads

Stefano Palazzo

off we go!

Amith kk

18:00

START

Stefano Palazzo

please address questions to me or prepend them with QUESTION

thanks :-)

Amith kk

ok Stef!

James Gifford

Ooooohhh.... Command line. Dangerous ;)

Rinzwind

1st command starts with rm >:D

Amith kk

@StefanoPalazzo QUESTION : Are we going to need to extract the ZIP?

Rinzwind

18:02

yes amith

James Gifford

@Amithkk ANSWER: YES.

:P

Rinzwind

see >:D

Stefano Palazzo

don't star the headlines, guys :-)

they're irrelevant

James Gifford

:P OK.

Stefano Palazzo

heh

Rinzwind

18:05

:X

@JamesGifford n00b ;-)

Stefano Palazzo

uses evil mod-powers to remove stars

:P

James Gifford

@Rinzwind I know you starred them as well. ;)

Rinzwind

:D

James Gifford

ooohhh.... PGP keys. ;D

Amith kk

HOW DARE THEE!

@StefanoPalazzo QUESTION : is seahorse avalable on oneric?

James Gifford

18:06

@StefanoPalazzo QUESTION: How to make a PGP key? Is there quick and dirty way to do that?

Annndd.... nevermind. He just answered my question. :P

Rinzwind

he's prolly going to answer both q's now

Stefano Palazzo

what?

Amith kk

@StefanoPalazzo i asked a different question

2 mins ago, by Amith kk

@StefanoPalazzo QUESTION : is seahorse avalable on oneric?

Stefano Palazzo

uhm, that's not really relevant, is it?

James Gifford

@Amithkk off-topic, Ubuntu+1 doesn't matter on askubuntu.

Stefano Palazzo

18:08

(the answer is almost certainly yes)

Amith kk

Im using oneric

ok

James Gifford

(With Ubuntu+1 being the ubuntu development "release")

The Evil Phoenix

For the record: we will be building in stable environments only at this time, but you can check with apt-cache search seahorse

Amith kk

I know

Yeah its there :D

but im going to my natty

Rinzwind

keep up the speed or you'll run out of time

Amith kk

18:09

BRB

Done!

@TheEvilPhoenix correction "the capital S will return a error"

The Evil Phoenix

changed

Amith kk

:D

Stefano Palazzo

that can't be right

The Evil Phoenix

@StefanoPalazzo?

Rinzwind

hmm? what's wrong S?

Stefano Palazzo

18:13

I'm on classic, so I can't test it now, but I'm pretty sure the dash is case insensitive

The Evil Phoenix

@StefanoPalazzo alt+f2 and terminal require case sensitive :P

Rinzwind

up to now it goes smoothly :=D

Stefano Palazzo

@TheEvilPhoenix never mind :-D don't watch this channel :P

Rinzwind

@thw

Amith kk

@StefanoPalazzo Dash is Case-sensitive

Rinzwind

18:14

@TheEvilPhoenix stay in your channel ;) Stef got this one

just keep up the pace

-generating key \o

still generating

Amith kk

Same here

Rinzwind

done!

Amith kk

its doing primegen

done

Rinzwind

and it's added under 'personal keys'
all's well here

Amith kk

Speed up!

Im having a extra hkp://pgp.mit.edu:11371

dv3500ea

18:19

@Amithkk I have that too, don't worry about it

Amith kk

Teh Internetz?!

Rinzwind

cool :D key published \o/

Amith kk

James died

or he was bored

Im so gonna blog about this

@StefanoPalazzo QUESTION Can i close Seahorse?

dv3500ea

yes

Rinzwind

yes you can amith :+D

you can even re-open it >:D

Amith kk

18:24

Cool XD

Stefano Palazzo

room topic changed to AskUbuntu Classroom Discussion - Packaging: Discussion channel for the Classroom Sessions regarding Packaging. Instructor: The Evil Phoenix. Moderators: Stefano Palazzo, Rinzwind (backup moderator).

Rinzwind

btw: I think I already installed the packages

Amith kk

5 minutes to 30 minutes ??

Stefano Palazzo

sry there was a typo :O ocd'd

dv3500ea

lol

Rinzwind

18:25

@StefanoPalazzo :D

dv3500ea

finished installing :)

Rinzwind

has everyone got the packagesa installed?

if not shout now ;)

Amith kk

nah im here

Stefano Palazzo

ninja'd!?

Amith kk

python-soappy

WTH??

done

dv3500ea

18:27

soap is some kind of web protocol

python developers like to put py on the ends of things

Stefano Palazzo

@Amithkk soap is a storage format for exchanging data in remote procedure calls

like json or xml

Rinzwind

yeah same neurotic ppl as the KDE ones >:D

"i need to find a program in KDE"
"oh did you start looking at k*. It mostlikely starts with a k so that's the best place to start"

Amith kk

Kinzwind :D

Ktefano :D

i already have K in my name :D

Rinzwind

command is running \o

Amith kk

othermirror "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu $(lsb_release -cs) main restricted universe multiverse"
W: /home/amith/.pbuilderrc does not exist
I: Distribution is oneiric.
I: Building the build environment
I: running debootstrap
/usr/sbin/debootstrap
I: Retrieving Release
I: Retrieving Release.gpg
I: Checking Release signature
I: Valid Release signature (key id 630239CC130E1A7FD81A27B140976EAF437D05B5)
I: Retrieving Packages

Rinzwind

18:32

tum tum ti dum...

dv3500ea

This failed for me

Amith kk

its midnight!

done

Rinzwind

done!

dv3500ea ran into problems?

Amith kk

PAUSE

Rinzwind

do you need help @dv3500ea ?

Amith kk

18:35

PLAY

dv3500ea

It's my fault

I'm on Linux Mint :P

Stefano Palazzo

that's your fault indeed :P

Amith kk

AskMint Classroom Discussion - Packaging

Rinzwind

hehehehehehe

Amith kk

@StefanoPalazzo

Type of package: single binary, indep binary, multiple binary, library, kernel module, kernel patch?
 [s/i/m/l/k/n]

Rinzwind

18:38

@StefanoPalazzo that's w/o sudo I presume?

Stefano Palazzo

must be :)

Amith kk

:1313161     Maintainer name : Amith
    Email-Address	: amith@unknown
    Date				: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 00:08:43 +0530
    Package Name	 : packaging-test
    Version			: 1.0
    License			: blank
    Type of Package : Single

Stefano Palazzo

what's up @Amith, do you have a question?

Amith kk

nah i showed my output :D

Rinzwind

problem!

question: why do amith and me have @unkown at the email adress?

dv3500ea

18:40

and me!

Also:

Could not find packaging-test_1.0.orig.tar.gz
Either specify an alternate file to use with -f,
or add --createorig to create one.

Amith kk

WTH?

dv3500ea

when I press enter

The Evil Phoenix

that will happen

Rinzwind

Could not find packaging-test_1.0.orig.tar.gz
Either specify an alternate file to use with -f,
or add --createorig to create one.

\o/

Stefano Palazzo

in Classroom, 1 min ago, by The Evil Phoenix

Oh, whoops i believe i skipped a step, one moment.

Amith kk

18:42

Could not find packaging-test_1.0.orig.tar.gz
Either specify an alternate file to use with -f,
or add --createorig to create one.

@StefanoPalazzo How many more minutes

Stefano Palazzo

there are about 45 minutes left in the first part of this session @Amithkk

Rinzwind

45 amithk

Amith kk

45! im exiting in 15

Stefano Palazzo

part 2 will start in 45 minutes, and run on for 60 minutes

a packaging marathon :)

The Evil Phoenix

@Stefano this may take a tad longer than 47 more minutes :P

Stefano Palazzo

18:44

:-)

Amith kk

@StefanoPalazzo where is .bashrc?

Stefano Palazzo

@Amithkk in your home directory. press Ctrl+H to see hidden files

if it's not there, you can create it

Rinzwind

check! mail works

might be worth will to consider re-scheduling part 2 :X

Stefano Palazzo

I did mean to bring that up :|

Rinzwind

check! msg appears

lol

Stefano Palazzo

18:48

two and a half hours is quite a long time to do packaging

Rinzwind

yeah but he included installing packages ;-)

Stefano Palazzo

lets see how it goes. I have all the time in the world ;)

Rinzwind

we also need something for preparing the classroom: packs installing can be done ugfront

me too! holiday ends mondsay >:)

we'll save that for later >:D

he modified his ls >:D

see! rm! >:D

James Gifford

@StefanoPalazzo QUESTION: Do we need to remove the .EX files?

Rinzwind

he said "may" ;-)

James Gifford

18:51

I saw that.

Rinzwind

I removed them :X

Stefano Palazzo

@JamesGifford you can also just move them somewhere else if you want to look at them later

James Gifford

(However, I like asking stupid questions so that other people don't have to)

Stefano Palazzo

that's what I'd do

Amith kk

@StefanoPalazzo Currently there is no top level Makefile. This may require additional tuning.
Done. Please edit the files in the debian/ subdirectory now. You should also
check that the packaging-test Makefiles install into $DESTDIR and not in / .

Rinzwind

18:52

@JamesGifford sure >:S

@Amithkk already answered in the chatroom ;)

James Gifford

The question I really had was "Can we leave them there?"

Stefano Palazzo

@JamesGifford I guess you should remove them - don't want to leave stray files lying around generally

Amith kk

finished building!

James Gifford

@StefanoPalazzo Alrighty.

Amith kk

packaging-test (1.0-1) unstable; urgency=low

  * Initial release (Closes: #nnnn)  <nnnn is the bug number of your ITP>

 -- Amith <[email protected]>  Sun, 10 Jul 2011 00:22:25 +0530

dv3500ea

18:57

QUESTION: is it possible to specify for multiple versions (like maverick and natty)

Stefano Palazzo

if you don't mind @Amith, it'd be helpful if you only posted relevant messages here - I have to read them all to make sure there isn't a problem :)

Amith kk

Ok

Stefano Palazzo

@dv3500ea sorry for putting "david", I can never remember that mess of letters off hand :-D

Amith kk

@StefanoPalazzo QUESTION can you put an '*' to include all versions

dv3500ea

it's ok :)

Stefano Palazzo

18:59

@Amithkk that latest message answers this question, right?

Amith kk

Umm i dont think so

Stefano Palazzo

as in "you can't specify multiple version"

Amith kk

that was for specifiying more than 1

Rinzwind

yeah it does

Amith kk

k

Stefano Palazzo

19:00

from which, I suppose, you can infer that you also can't specify "every" version

Rinzwind

@Amithkk no you can not ;)

Amith kk

yawn Bye guys ill check the Transcription

Stefano Palazzo

see you

Amith kk

Its 00:30

Rinzwind

suddenly it is quiet here ;)

still no q's from me >:D

dv3500ea

19:13

QUESTION: what are '${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}' - they don't look like package names?

Rinzwind

variables that point to packages I guess

see man dh_makeshlibs >:D

dv3500ea

ok that answers my question :)

I think there's a mistake in exec/helloworld.sh

@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
-#/bin/bash
+#!/bin/bash

Rinzwind

8 minutes to go \o

Stefano Palazzo

lets put a five minute break before the start of the second session ;)

Depends: coffee (>= 2cups)

Rinzwind

Depends: Coca cola :=D

dv3500ea

19:24

^^^^^ Actually it's ok

Rinzwind

lol

Stefano Palazzo

@TheEvilPhoenix how close are you to finishing? where should we set the break-point for the transcript?

(sry for the interruption)

The Evil Phoenix

3 minutes? :P

the second session isnt very long :p

Stefano Palazzo

fantastic :-)

The Evil Phoenix

i can theoretically run into it and still complete it with 15 mins ::

Stefano Palazzo

19:27

@TheEvilPhoenix let's make a clean cut, then we'll have some time for Q&A

Rinzwind

dpkg-source: error: syntax error in packaging-test-1.0/debian/control at line 8: line with unknown format (not field-colon-value)

The Evil Phoenix

ok

@Rinzwind source code please

dv3500ea

I didn't get that error

The Evil Phoenix

bah, i'll need to recreate my keys

Rinzwind

Source: packaging-test
Section: misc
Priority: extra
Maintainer: Rinzwind <[email protected]>
Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 7.0.50~)
Standards-Version: 3.9.1
Homepage: www.test.nl
test.git;a=summary

Package: packaging-test
Architecture: any
Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, bash
Description: testtt
testtttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt

did i remove wrongly? >:D

The Evil Phoenix

19:29

@Rinz remove the Homepage: and line after it

Rinzwind

k!

dv3500ea

I just installed the .deb I created ok :)!

Rinzwind

seems to work now \o

oops no... problem with key signing too

Stefano Palazzo

Aw, so I don't get a break after all :P

Any questions @everyone?

Rinzwind

lol

anyone questions?

The Evil Phoenix

19:32

@Rinzwind what was the issue?

oh, and make sure you matched the info from your PGP key EXACTLY

otherwise it fails to sign

dv3500ea

QUESTION: is the file debian/install specific to using the dh_make method? When I've made packages before I've written out the debian/rules file with lots of cps!

Rinzwind

@TheEvilPhoenix i probably made an errorr there and shall find that out myself \o

dv3500ea

cps == multiple 'cp' command

Rinzwind

I'm burnt up :X

Stefano Palazzo

Well probably have a few minutes at the end of the second session

The Evil Phoenix

19:35

:P

Stefano Palazzo

So I gather :)

Rinzwind

hmmm offtopic q! semi that is

building a deb for LP. Is that based of the DEB made in THIS session?

ok!

Stefano Palazzo

a fantastic session @TheEvilPhoenix

very easy to follow, very helpful

The Evil Phoenix

:)

Rinzwind

easy to follow indeed but....... >:D

The Evil Phoenix

19:39

thanks @StefanoPalazzo

slaps @Rinzwind

Rinzwind

in the beginning it went too slow I think

The Evil Phoenix

@Rinzwind shrugs dependencies needed to be dealt with :P

Rinzwind

yeah

The Evil Phoenix

now for me to fix this damned PGP key issue

Rinzwind

it might also be better to put up a pre-req. notice: download these packages... would save you 10/15 minutes

The Evil Phoenix

19:40

:P

Rinzwind

hey just trying to help ;)

In general it went very well ;)

Stefano Palazzo

ten seconds :-)

The Evil Phoenix

bah my PGP key is still screwy

i'll just not build today :P

Rinzwind

here we go \o

did someone save this session?

Stefano Palazzo

als long as we're finishing on time, by the way, @TheEvil take all the time you need before starting the second part

Rinzwind

19:44

or will this be 1 block?

Stefano Palazzo

@Rinzwind we'll use bookmarks I guess

Rinzwind

k

dput... that was the fastest install if I every saw one :-X it got me wondering if it did install >:D

question: passphrase is a random text or the one used when creating the key in seahorse?

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