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11:00 AM
that I don't know if I'll ever possess?
ok
np
 
OK, so he's talking about the pride that shows in her face. He thinks he will never be as proud as she can be.
She's talking about how important her father and her grandfather were, so of course it makes her feel proud, and it shows on her face.
 
ok
 
The author thinks he will never have pride like that.
 
next paragraph
 
She got more and more excited as she talked.
Do you know the word "gentry"?
 
11:03 AM
no
 
It can mean important people, or rich people, or people in high society. Does that make sense?
 
people who belong to a high social class
right?
ok
 
yes
 
So the "coloured landed gentry" are black people who own land and belong to a high social class.
Or, at least, the highest social class that black people COULD belong to at that time.
People say she's arrogant, because she knows that she is descended from these people.
 
11:06 AM
run-down=very poor condition?
 
Yes.
And she's renting it - she doesn't own it.
So she is poor now.
Part of her arrogance is that she walks erect, rather than hunching over like many old people do.
 
labelled uppity=called arrogant ?
 
She was labelled "uppity" means people called her arrogant.
Yes.
 
I don't know why I think you are sad
I feel it
really I don't know
 
I'm not sad. But I'm quite tired.
You don't know me well enough to guess my mood.
 
11:10 AM
ok
 
I'm not sure how you see me though.
Am I really a good friend already, like you said? Or am I just a teacher?
 
YOU are Best Friend
really
 
No, that can't be true. I bet you have hundreds of friends.
You've only known me for a day. Maybe I will be your best friend in the future. But not today.
 
:(
It's true
believe me
 
Why does that make you :( ?
 
11:14 AM
that can't be true. you said it
but trust me
 
Because I am paying you lots of attention? That can't be a new experience for you.
I bet lots of people do that.
Do you have lots of brothers and sisters?
 
I don't lie
no
I'm alone
 
Oh, that's sad.
What is your university like? Is it a nice one?
 
Yes nice. in fact my university prohibit the arrival of boys
just girls
 
That doesn't sound nice!
 
11:17 AM
For me it's very nice
 
You don't like boys?
 
No Never
 
Not ALL boys are bad.
 
yes
right
 
:-(
Is there a boys' university nearby?
 
11:19 AM
Of course
yes
 
See! You can't live without us really. :-)
 
You too
:)
 
Why do you call yourself Ice Girl?
 
I love this name a lot
Is it nice?
 
One day, I will know whether or not it suits you. I don't yet know you well enough to say.
 
11:22 AM
One day?
 
But it sounds like it means somebody who doesn't have a warm heart.
I hope I am wrong.
Can you explain that?
 
I really really kind girl with warm heart and Sympathetic girl
Do you like to change my name?
 
:-)
No, not yet.
Maybe one day, I'll think of something different to call you.
 
I don't understand it
I'm pathetic and sentimental
 
Well, "icy" isn't a good quality.
 
11:27 AM
for what?
 
I don't think you mean "pathetic". Maybe "empathetic" or "sympathetic", but not "pathetic".
"Icy" implies a level of cruelty or unfeelingness.
I don't think you're icy.
So it's weird to call you Ice Girl.
 
I'm pathetic
believe it
 
Why?
 
Pathetic = رقت انگیز
Or تاثر اور
 
11:30 AM
pathetic=احساساتی
ok?
 
It doesn't mean احساساتی at all.
 
I mean this one
 
No, that's not what pathetic means.
 
but in my dictionary says this one
never mind
ok
 
You could say "sentimental" for احساساتی, or possibly even "passionate", but not "pathetic".
"Pathetic" is a bad thing, not a good thing!
:-)
 
11:31 AM
yes
you're right
 
Haha, I saw that! You didn't delete it quickly enough.
 
:)
np
 
Do you want to go back to the essay?
 
I think your Persian language is very good
Of course. how about you?
 
No, I don't speak Persian at all. I just have one Iranian friend who has taught me to swear. And I'm good at using Google Translate. And some other web sites.
Are we on to the next paragraph yet?
 
11:33 AM
ok
yes
 
Do you understand what the aunt said?
 
not clearly
 
"Everyone out there in the colony was black when I was a child. Yes sir, my old grandfather worked that land as if tomorrow wouldn't ever come."
 
you say please
 
;-)
Can you understand my version?
 
11:36 AM
yes
 
Even "colony"?
 
Hmm
It has special meaning here?
 
Yes. The next paragraph tells us about the colony. It's basically a big ghetto - an area where there are lots of black people and no white ones.
But this was land owned by black people.
Later, the owners were white. We don't find out why. Maybe later in the book, we learn what happened.
 
ok
 
So, are you happy to go on to the next paragraph?
 
11:40 AM
ghetto ?
First tell me about it
 
Google Translate says محل کوچکی از شهر که محل سکونتاقلیت هااست - does that make sense?
 
yes
ok
next
please
 
So, in the next paragraph, you've written lots of little words. It looks like maybe you understand it very well already.
Perhaps you should ask me about the parts that you don't understand, instead of me trying to work through the whole paragraph.
Because it's so LONG!
 
ok
Freemount no longer existed?
 
The cotton plantation isn't there any more.
It's only past tense because of the sequence of tense rules. Its meaning is present.
 
11:45 AM
colony is the same meaning as you told?
 
Yes. See, it says "colored colony".
 
ok
never reached my belly?
 
He means he never really understood the implications of what the old people were saying.
No.
THat's not quite right.
It means, he never really felt connected to it.
 
which one is wrong?
 
As though, the people they were talking about were fictional - part of a story. Or people that he wasn't connected to. Rather than being HIS actual ancestors.
 
11:49 AM
He means he never really understood the implications of what the old people were saying.
wrong?
 
Yeah, sorry.
 
ok
 
"felt" rather than "understood", I guess.
Back in 2 minutes.
 
From Land to time? please
 
Where's that? I can't see it.
Oh sorry, you mean that whole sentence.
 
11:54 AM
yes
 
Do you know what he means by "sense of worth"?
 
no
 
It means ... feeling good about yourself, or feeling you've achieved something.
He is saying that if you own land, you will feel good about it.
So the two concepts ... "owning land", and "the sense of worth that owning land brings" always go together.
 
It brings seemed to have died out during my parents time?
 
But he is saying that something happened between his grandparents' generation and his parents' generation, that meant there was no land ownership any more.
So his grandparents owned land, and his parents didn't, and he doesn't understand why.
And he's saying that "the sense of worth that land ownership brings" also died out, so that his grandparents had it and his parents didn't.
 
11:58 AM
ok
 
Do you know what "folklore" is?
 
people
culture
 
NOt really.
 
unreal
 
Made-up stories.
 
12:00 PM
what doed made-up story mean?
ok
 
So when the old people told him about all the land that his family used to have, he didn't respond as if it were real - as if it were really his grandparents and great grandparents who had the land. He responded as if it were all just a fictional story.
 
i got it
 
He didn't get emotionally involved in the story the way people expected him to. That's what the whole paragraph is saying.
He remembers his own childhood, when the land was all owned by white people, so he can't imagine it being owned by black people.
And that's why he feels dissociated from the stories.
The way he's talking suggests that later in the book, we will learn what happened - how the white people came to own land that had previously belonged to black people.
 
It never dawned on me?
 
It means "I never thought of it".
 
12:05 PM
seemingly permanent on their sites?
 
The houses look as if they have been there forever.
And "seemingly" suggests that maybe they haven't really.
site = location
 
sweat and blood?
is it idiom?
 
Yes.
It means "hard work".
 
tamed?
 
The land wasn't always farm land. Maybe there were wild grasses growing there, or maybe it was swampy, or whatever. The black people worked hard to turn it into good farm land, so they could grow their cotton, (or whatever else they grew there).
 
12:10 PM
Are you tired my friend?
 
A little bit. I can probably keep going for another hour.
I don't know whether we will be able to finish this essay before I need to sleep.
 
If you finish this page it's goood
 
That's good. Because page 34 looks long.
 
just 1 paragraph
ok
so continue
 
Sure. What's the next bit that you don't understand?
 
12:13 PM
I attempted to take my leave
?
 
He tried to leave. She told him to stay.
"I'se" should just be "I" in what his aunt said next.
 
You hold onto it?
 
You keep it.
"NO matter what happened to me, I always kept these."
 
walked over to a trunk?
 
A trunk is a huge wooden box.
 
12:18 PM
twice her age?
 
So, maybe she is 80. The trunk is 160 years old.
Again, he is exaggerating. It only looks that old.
 
cinnamon?
 
Don't you know what cinnamon is?
دارچین
 
a sweet-smelling brown substance used for giving a special taste to cakes and other sweet foods
 
So that is the colour of her face.
 
12:21 PM
ok
double locks?
Sears catalog?
 
I'm not really sure what he means. I think he just means that the trunk had two locks.
 
and from I wonder to nephew?
 
Sears is a chain of retail stores.
They arrange for catalogues to be delivered to people's homes.
So his aunt took the pages from the catalogue, and used them for wallpaper.
And he is wondering what she intends to give him. He can't imagine that she has anything valuable.
 
Turning from?
 
"grand nephew" = brother's grandson or sister's grandson. This confirms that she really is his great aunt.
So, she was looking for something in the trunk. When she found it, she turned away from the trunk.
 
12:25 PM
tied securely with old rags?
 
The papers are tied together with old pieces of cloth.
 
Finish
 
Thank you so much
 
You sure? I can do a little bit more.
 
12:27 PM
really?
 
Sure. Why not?
 
:)
What is your idea about me up to now?
 
:-)
I really like you. You can be very sweet.
 
Oh
 
And I am looking forward to having a really lovely friendship with you. If you'll let me.
 
12:29 PM
Yes why not?
 
And it makes me happy to hear that. But I don't want everything to happen too quickly.
 
yes
right
agree
 
And I don't completely understand why you would want to be friends with someone who is more than twice your age.
But I think that's a cultural thing. I think age is more important to a New Zealander than to an Iranian.
 
for you is important?
 
I'm not sure. Culturally, things are a bit weird for me.
 
12:33 PM
if yes why?
 
Any other New Zealander would answer "yes" to that question. It is how we are raised to think.
But all of my cultural ideas have been shaken up over the past 18 months or so.
Lots of things have happened to me that are not common for a New Zealander.
 
What is your cultural ideas before you become Muslim?
 
Who says I'm a convert?
 
yourself
 
I didn't say that. Not to you.
 
12:36 PM
ok
 
Have you been checking up on me?
 
We can be a good friends for each other
just this
 
Oh, certainly.
 
no
 
Can we talk somewhere more private than this room?
 
12:38 PM
Have you been checking up on me? what do you mean?
@DavidWallace where?
 
I mean, you know things about me that I didn't tell you. So I think you have done some research on me. Or asked someone about me.
 
no
come on
 
OK, never mind.
Do you use yahoo messenger at all?
 
no
I don't like me
 
skype?
 
12:40 PM
no
you can email me
 
OK, then I'll just make a room for us both here. It's not really private, but hopefully people won't go there. Just a minute.
 
1:26 PM
@badass Hello
 
@DamkerngT. hi
 
Hi, how are things going?
 
fine thanks, how are you?
 
I think I'm okay. :)
Haven't seen you here much lately.
 
yep, been in the math room mostly
 
1:31 PM
Ah, so you're a math student, or perhaps a graduate or a researcher, then.
 
perhaps
 
:-)
 
Any advice, if I want to build a quick HMM for character recognition?
Perhaps you might know some software that already exists. (I mean open-source ones.)
 
sorry, i'm not into comp sci
 
1:34 PM
Okay, that's all right. Never mind.
I take it that you love solving puzzles then.
 
you could ask in their room
 
@skullpatrol Is there a room for comp sci?
 
or on their site
 
Ah, I see. There is one.
 
1:38 PM
Thanks. Theoretical Computer Science is not obvious.
Actually, I was a math nerd before. :)
 
what happened?
 
I was just too busy, I guess.
But I know how fun cracking a math puzzle can be. :)
I'm not a math student. Mostly I did it for fun.
Aha, in your profile, you say you're a fan of Oakland Raider.
 
yep
 
I've seen many NFL games this year. How is Raiders doing?
 
4-12
 
1:44 PM
Umm... That's not very good, I guess.
 
4-wins and 12-loses
 
How many games a year, about 19-20?
 
Oh!
So, the first round was finished.
 
yes, regular season is finished
 
1:47 PM
I'm feeling silly to ask you about Raiders now. :(
Hopefully they can do better next year.
 
np, there is always next year 2014
 
Yeah!
 
1:51 PM
Oh, that's a little scary.
 
nah
not for a fan
 
Is that you?
 
nope
 
Being there in the stadium in person must feel great!
 
have you heard the raider theme song?
 
1:53 PM
I'm not sure, maybe not.
 
I just watch the games on ESPN.
... and laughed when he conquered and won!
 
;-)
Okay. gotta go, see ya later...
drop by the math room some time
 
 
4 hours later…
5:36 PM
@DavidWallace Hi
@DamkerngT. Hi
 
@IceGirl Hi
I've got a new hat. :)
 
Congrat!
 
5:53 PM
@IceGirl Waitiing for DW?
 
but now I see your profile there isn't any hat
there
yes
 
I think I still have it (the hat), but not for very long, maybe only a few more hours.
I think at January 4, 0:00 GMT, they will take all the hats back. :(
 
6:20 PM
@IceGirl What is it?
 
 
1 hour later…
7:28 PM
room topic changed to English Language Learners: A room where our astute members sardonically vivisect English sentences, discuss linguistics and talk about anything they want. Do not give out personal contact information in this room. (no tags)
room topic changed to English Language Learners: A room where our astute members sardonically vivisect English sentences, discuss linguistics and talk about anything they want. But remember this is a public room: do not give out personal contact information here. (no tags)
 
@Matt Oh, thank you for changing that.
I'd hope to see you here more often.
 
 
1 hour later…
Anonymous
8:48 PM
Was there an Incident?
 
@snailplane Umm... I'm not quite sure.
 

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