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12:00 AM
@FAE Well, we have yet to see what it ends up in actual application.
 
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@FEichinger Yeah. Just kind of disappointing to see.
 
This being Valve, I could definitely picture something like a "conversion fee", a way to redeem it inside family sharing, or a way to return it - or even just a lock-out from gifting it to someone in the first place.
 
> When a space rock goes in front of a star, you can’t see the star again until the rock moves. Astrophysics, Williams College
 
Bridge, I have good news!
As of this weekend, I have paid off my car, and am 100% debt-free!
 
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@RavenDreamer Congratulations!
 
12:02 AM
@FAE I really hope the check is made before the gift is sent
 
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@badp Yeah, me too.
 
@badp I assume it'll be like the "user owns the game already" lock-out on gifting.
 
@wand what you need is a UK based payment and white listing from Steam Support for buying games from abroad
 
why should they put me on the whitelist for that Oo
 
12:04 AM
Of course it helps if you stay like multiple months out, create your account there then go back and claim that you've moved temporarily and still with to buy games
 
i thought if i at least buy the humblebundle it would give me the international versions but no
i got a shitty saints row german edition
 
@wandang because you need to contact support to buy games from abroad afaik
 
:/
i will just not try to get games throu steam anymore
i guess
 
That's a protection for your account so that no one in Russia can steal your credit card and buy things with it. I suppose
 
i am in japan in summer of 2014
 
12:06 AM
The other problem I have with this is I can get the argument that devs want to sell games for like €6 in India because they can't afford more, while still selling it for higher elsewhere so they actually make a profit. But then they go to even larger extremes, selling stuff for like 1.5x as much in Europe and 2x as much in Australia compared to US prices. And the income disparity is not that large between the two countries.
 
for 2 weeks
maybe i can create an account there and claim to need it
 
17 mins ago, by FEichinger
@FAE To be fair, it makes sense. It'll be exploited, no doubt, but it makes sense. I mean, the separate regions exist for a reason.
 
@wan I dunno if you can get a bank account for just a two weeks stay
 
@MechanicalLoon yes and we hate it (we germans, at least all i know)
that was a good feature of uk shopping too
 
In order to open one both in NL and Germany I had to get residence there first, iirc
 
12:08 AM
Or in EA's case: Sims 3 expansion packs in Ireland: €40 off sale, €20 on sale. In the US: $20 off sale, $10 on sale....
 
uncencored and cheaper
@badp where are u from?
 
@wan BTW @FEI is in Germany too
 
Economist holiday cards
 
I'm from Italy.
 
FAE
@badp I think most banks require some proof of residency, yeah.
 
12:09 AM
i would say i love italian pizza
but i may get a chatban for that, so i wont
 
I'd rather focus on fixing the exploitation than killing the system entirely. It makes sense for a lot of things (income disparity, legal issues, and lastly it's perfectly in a publisher's rights to pick their prices around the world, the Internet is not some magical place where everything has the exact same price everywhere).
 
I didn't get a bank account in Netherlands though
 
@badp I'm also ignoring @Wan.
 
I remember when I was trying to set up a bank account when I was 16. They wanted a utility bill or something as proof of address. I was 16 :p
 
I was merely told I had to have my citizen number or whatnot
 
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12:10 AM
@Wandang It's really not pleasant for you to be constantly passive-aggressive about the discussion the other day.
 
@FEi it's just that many publishers' justifications ("it costs more to ship games to Australia") become even more blindingly bullshit
 
@badp Sure. And we can fight that quite nicely by just not buying from them and the like.
Raise awareness, call them out on their bullshit, stop supporting them.
But claiming the entire system is broken because it's abused? Nyeeeh.
 
Ah, yeah, the good old "boycott" card
Good luck with that
A system that's easily abused is almost the definition of a broken system
 
It's the best we got, and the best we'll get.
Frankly, unifying it to US pricing would benefit a lot of people, but it would also screw over the US.
 
Even if true - Does that make it non-broken?
 
12:15 AM
It makes it the least-broken, imo.
And it's not entirely broken either way.
 
Valdis Story is so good
 
That's different
 
Definitely one of the best indie releases of the year
 
At the end of the day if you sell the very same bytes to A for £2 and to B for £10, you shouldn't be surprised when people in A "gift" to people in B for £5
 
Arbitrage! Wheeeeee
 
12:19 AM
@badp People in B getting also paid ten times as much is what's the problem here. I never claimed it wasn't broken. Just that it's not an entirely broken system - it still fulfills its purpose, much better than anything else that could be done.
 
this "gifting" is obviously abusive and the solution is to find them and ban them, not to put higher fences between A and B
 
@badp And this is also why I've said we should wait to see the actual application of it all.
 
@ElfSlice looks nice
 
We have yet to see if there's some way to "verify" a gift or whatnot.
 
@ElfSlice but i am one of those players that does not want to play the same concept with better graphics again and again
 
12:20 AM
Family sharing seems like a simple option to verify a gift.
 
@FEi I am not saying that there can't be a reason for tiered pricing, but putting technical barriers in the way of piracy has been hilariously ineffective so far
 
i could play one of the old 2D games instead you know...
 
I don't know if more of the same will work as well
 
i play my fav game for 7 years now. that wont change much^^
 
@badp It's not exactly piracy. It's a trade exploit, which is precisely what we have tolls and the like for.
 
FAE
12:21 AM
Part of it to me is that I don't see a huge difference between doing this online and doing this offline. Someone can buy me a physical game in the US and ship it to me, why is that okay and this not?
 
@FAE Because that involves reasonably-personal contact.
 
It's still piracy because you're buying the game from an unauthorized, unlicensed seller
and therefore you are acquiring a game without a proper licence
 
@badp ... Now you're getting into nitpicks about piracy ... That's twisting a lot of things.
 
It's stupid to claim it's not piracy because you paid for it, that is all
 
@FAE it may never arrive if the custom does not allow it
 
FAE
12:23 AM
@FEichinger So the argument here is that because you know someone, it's more okay...? I'm not quite sure where you're coming from here.
 
@ElfSlice vladis costs 8,39€ too much
 
It's actually a worse type of piracy because you're making money out of it and that's essentially fraud
 
@FAE The whole problem this new change is trying to fight is that people gift games to get around the valid reasons for the restriction: legal issues (censorship and the like) and the different pricing (whether or not the resulting price is valid is a wholly different issue).
@badp ... Now this is getting absolutely ridiculous.
@FAE Then there's also the part where shipping a physical item would go through customs offices, where these restrictions would (theoretically) apply through tolls and taxation.
 
@FEi what? If GreenManGaming was based on buying games in India and sending them to you as steam gifts, that would be 100% fraud as far as I can see
 
@Wipqozn And yet I am fully clothed. What's that all about?
 
12:28 AM
@FEichinger How is this more valid?
 
@badp They acquire goods (in this case licenses) at the lowest price and resell it for a profit, in your scenario. That's top-notch capitalism. I don't have to like it, but I'm not seeing the problem here. (aside from the laws surrounding the licenses, but that gets ridiculous in itself anyway)
 
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Q: Pocket edition login same as computer edition

D LHey I don't play but I pay for my son to. Anyway I bought him an Galaxy Note 3 and downloaded the Pocket Edition app. But the login for his computer is not recognized by the Pocket Edition. Are the login credentials the same? DL

 
It's most certainly not fraud.
At best it's a license violation (if the license prohibits a change in owner), in which case why on Earth can it be gifted in the first place?
 
FAE
Hm. Well, seeing as it's only in early stage of application and only for one game so far, I'm going to refrain from further comment until we see how it rolls out. I don't have the energy to engage in a full on discussion about this at the moment, especially when we're mostly speculating. Sorry if I caused a kerfuffle here.
 
You have to have the right of resale for profit before you can resale for profit. Most games give you a none transferrable license, or anyhow a transferrable license without any gain on your side
 
12:32 AM
@badp Which, as I said, gets into the license crap. At which point we have something entirely different from fraud.
 
Otherwise there's at least breach of contract and copyright on the seller plus fraud if the buyer doesn't know
 
There's no breach of copyright. No new copies are generated.
 
if the buyer does know then it might be abetting and whatnot
 
FAE
Ugh, I have a great desire for a drink or a cigarette, neither of which would be a good thing to indulge in at the moment.
 
This has absolutely nothing to do with piracy.
It may be a license violation. But it's certainly neither piracy nor fraud.
 
12:34 AM
@FEi it is because you are granting yourself a right for resale that you do not have
The whole "licence crap" contract exists because under copyright you don't get to do anything at all with somebody else's work unless explicitly granted permission to
 
You're spinning this into something it is not.
 
The whole point of copyright is to give authors monopoly over their works and what is monopoly if not having exclusive right of sale?
 
@badp in germany the laws are different
 
Copyright is literally the right to copy.
 
@badp This is completely wrong. Copyright and right of sale have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
Copyright is purely about producing new copies.
Which does not happen with the given licenses.
 
12:37 AM
afaik it is not clear if valve is allowed to force their rules on german citizens.
because law says that stuff you buy must belong to you (right to sell)
 
@Wandang This change doesn't apply to Germany.
 
the discussion got more general didnt it
 
It only affect Eastern Europe and South America.
@Wandang Maybe
 
@wan which is why every single software licence says explicitly that you never but software, only a licence to use under restrictions
 
for now
@badp which is not allowed in germany
 
12:40 AM
It could be considered that German citizens aren't allowed to accept the SSA.
if it conflicts with the law
 
@wan you're not allowed not to own software?
 
One would assume you're not allowed to sign agreements that break the law
 
@3ventic thats the point
that the contract may be invalid
 
So Germans shouldn't be allowed in Steam?
 
its not clear at this point afaik
 
12:41 AM
@3ventic This was an actual solution Valve considered at one point.
 
german organizations are trying to force it from steam yes
 
It wouldn't come as a surprise
 
This came as a response to a decision made last year by the Court of Justice of the European Union, which ruled that customers have the right to resell digitally purchased games.
not sure why americans did not demand that right too?
 
except that you're not buying a game, just a license
 
americans just say "the company is allowed to do with their products as they please"?
 
12:46 AM
As long as there's choice in the market, they shouldn't be fighting against game licenses
 
@3ventic it just does not work that way here as far as i can tell
 
@Wandang obviously, but it still doesn't change the fact that it's dumb
 
@MarcoCeppi thx for your work
 
WHAT DID I DOOOO
 
12:49 AM
Currently, it's basically that the first-sale doctrine applies unless it's: stated that you're only buying a license, there's DRM to stop you from transferring it, and there's usage restrictions on the software.
 
ubuntu is the vehicle for linux to conquer windows so i thank you for your help of new users
 
I honestly believe Steam is better for the consumer for not allowing reselling the games..
 
@MarcoCeppi Spent too much time on imgur again? :P
 
According to ifosslawbook.org/germany many of the rights Germans have on software depend on the software's physical medium
 
It also doesn't apply to free things.
 
12:50 AM
ahah, I was wondering who that was
It's all coming together now
 
Heheh.
 
... and thus, not really applicable to downloads
but ianal
 
@badp well german law is old... digital law is new for germany
many laws are made for old stuff
@badp well german law is old... digital law is new for germany
 
The laws are lagging behind on digital stuff
 
thats why merkel told that we are in "neuland" newland
for the internet
because the law is not used to the new stuff
@3ventic yeah exactly
 
12:52 AM
So I have a Patron now...
 
@wan old law yet law
 
@badp old law is flexible until it has a new digital brother
 
Flexible is a... way to put it
 
and german consumer rights groups are very active
and i agree with them mostly
if this would happen in germany it would be quite an outrage:
 
but honestly the whole fundamental tenet of copyright is to prevent authors from having competition in the form of their own customers and I don't see that changing any time soon
 
1:02 AM
@badp i really do not care about profit and stuff. i would pay more money but it must be cencorfree.
guys its late
good night
 
FAE
Interesting ad against drunk driving:
...weird, there's a deleted question from kalina in the flagged queue
It's showing this deleted question and answer because this is triggering the automatic duplicate answer script.
And the question text of the latter is exactly the same as the former.
 
It's been several hours since I put this here:
 
user15026
1:17 AM
What even.
 
@AshleyNunn It's a potato.
 
user15026
But why
 
And it is very very happy to be at the annual Potato Bowl.
 
@AshleyNunn Hey are you familiar with this Protege thing in Fallen London?
I'm not sure what to expect.
 
@AshleyNunn Because football.
 
1:20 AM
@FAE She probably tried to get a secret hat ...
 
user15026
@RedRiderX Not at all. I am curious how it goes for you.
 
So, I'm late the the party, but I bet a few of you are excited for steamos/steambox
 
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@FEichinger I mostly mean it's weird because the question text is the exact same, but the current live question is attributed to a different user.
 
@MarcoCeppi Eh, not really?
 
@FAE shrug
 
user15026
1:24 AM
@FAE That is kinda weird.
 
@MarcoCeppi Meh. SteamOS is a mess right now and Steambox is still just prototypes. Not much to be excited about.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz @FEichinger I ended up building my own steam box a few weeks ago and run Big Picture on it with xbox controler/windows 7
I dig the interface so far, I'm looking forward the most to the streaming aspect
 
I am so much not the target market it's not even funny.
 
It works for me pretty well. I've been a PC gamer for a while, did consoles for a bit, tired of buying the same games over and over again
 
FAE
1:27 AM
@AshleyNunn Yeah, I dunno what to think, it's like copy/pasted with the same formatting and everything.
@LessPop_MoreFizz I heard about that...
 
user15026
@FAE Yeah, I noticed that too, I find it pretty strange
 
It's nice to have the potential for a real competitor in the console market
 
user43095
 
@FAE Pretty cool decision IMO
@JeffreyLin tl;dr
 
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Q: WINE & Nvidia resolution

TomI am having issues running games on Wine. In Ubuntu my native resolution is 1600x900 and I have the Nvidia 3.19 drivers, yet when games load under Wine (version 1.7) they default to 1028x768 resolution. I have tried to adjust resolution in-game to 1600x900 (it is an option) but then I only get 1...

 
1:39 AM
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Q: How can i play on a china rising server in battle field 4?

norlando02I have update 4 and the China rising expansion, but when I try to play on a China rising sever it ask me to download either the premium pack or China rising. How do I get into a coma rising server?

0
Q: What is "Realms Alpha"?

3venticThere's a "setting" under options that says "Invited to Realms Alpha?". What is it? Why was I invited to it without knowing it?

 
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Eirik Suhrke, composer of Ridiculous Fishing, Spelunky, and Super Crate Box, among other things, is having a pay what you want sale for the holidays for his soundtracks.
CC @ElfSlice
 
@FAE Yeah, I saw this! Pretty awesome!
@Wandang It's totally worth it. It's an excellent game, similar to castlevania.
Presumably. I've never actually played Castlevania.
 
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1:57 AM
This guy proposed to his girlfriend through Peggle 2. Pretty cool of Popcap to do this for them.
 
user15026
I think these are cute but I always am like omg that would be so much pressure
 
If she had said no I wonder if he would have continued playing with her
 
FAE
@AshleyNunn Yeah, I agree. What if you just weren't ready to say yes yet? Then you'd be painted as the bad guy even though it'd be better for both of you that you didn't say yes to something you weren't ready for yet.
I do think it's neat that EA/Popcap did so much to help though.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz wtf
 
user15026
@FAE Yeah. Like...I suspect that people generally know if the asking is gonna work out, but I just....aaaaaaa what if they weren't ready for that committment yet and it is all public and aaaaaa
 
user15026
2:04 AM
@FAE That is pretty cool
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz wtf
I'm so smart.
I just torrented an album I already owned.
 
FAE
@AshleyNunn Yeah, I don't even like having happy birthdays done in public let alone a wedding proposal.
 
user15026
Yeah, I am not good with stuff like that in public
 
@ElfSlice Filthy pirate.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz I know, it's terrible.
I bought a ton of music recently though.
So I feel better about that.
Can somebody do me a favour and download this and rehost it on dropbox or something?
 
2:06 AM
@ElfSlice I just bought a bunch of pants from macy's, so it's cool if I shoplift a t-shirt from the Gap, right?
 
Every time I try to put it in my DM the link dies within a couple minutes.
@LessPop_MoreFizz No, piracy is terrible, and I feel dirty.
 
FAE
The winds are crazy here.
Gusting around 100kmh.
 
user15026
@FAE O.o
 
FAE
@AshleyNunn Yeah, it's nuts.
 
hooray
This is why I wanted to put it in my download manager
But apparently that kills the link.
ugh
I'm not pirating or nothing, this is a legit free download.
 
2:25 AM
Nevermind, it's gone down to like 20 minutes now.
 
@PrivatePansy wtf
 
Clicked edit on the original revision, I suppose.
Otherwise it's the usual comment-in-edit-summary edit.
 
FAE
@PrivatePansy are you ever going to be able to nom on anything aside from a stack of hats?
 
I don't know, not many of the hats are nom-able
 
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Q: Two players one iPad - is it possible? Minecraft PE

ElaineI am considering buying Minecraft PE for my two kids. They share an ipad. Does MPE have a log in so they can each play separately on the same device?

 
2:46 AM
<3
That YouTube url ends with "eggs".
=o
 
FAE
Was the secret santa for this year canceled and I just missed the discussion about it?
 
OstBx0Oeggs
 
@FAE yes
 
FAE
@MBraedley Oh. What happened?
I was looking for the meta post and it was apparently deleted because I can't find it.
 
@FAE ask Retrosaur (or whatever his nick is now)
 
2:55 AM
@Wandang This is why you should reply to specific messages. I have no idea what the context for this is.
 
@MechanicalLoon He's probably talking about me
:P
Tier 1 (minimum $1)

- Uprising 44: The Silent Shadows (Desura/Greenlight)
- An Alien with a Magnet (Desura/Greenlight)
- Agricultural Simulator 2011 (Steam)
- Garshasp: Temple of the Dragon (Steam)
- Mystery Game (Desura/Greenlight)

Tier 2 (minimum $3)

- Sacraboar (Steam)
- Rune Classic (Steam)
- RoboBlitz (Steam)
- inMomentum (Steam)
- Block Story (Desura/GreenLight)
Roboblitz!
 
FAE
@ElfSlice Needs more legend of me.
 
Other than that and inMomentum... meh
@FAE Heh. Legend of Fae, I presume you're talking about?
 
FAE
@ElfSlice yus
 
I was going to download that today. The desura page made me want to play it
Desura is such an attractive storefront
Such sexy presentation.
 
3:11 AM
Mmm, beer
 
user15026
@MBraedley What beer? :)
 
This is an amazing deal ^
Quantum Conundrum + all DLC for $1.19
 
@AshleyNunn You abandoned me :(
 
D:
How could you, @AshleyNunn?!
 
Also, I cut my thumb on the xbox case :(
 
user15026
3:25 AM
@OrigamiRobot Augh, I heard the ping from my desktop! Blame @FrostEngineer for stealing me for a Google Hangout
 
user15026
@OrigamiRobot noooooo
 
@OrigamiRobot Uh oh, it knows the scent of blood now
 
user15026
@TimStone I am a monster, clearly ;)
 
Anyone who enjoyed Portal and does not own Quantum Conundrum needs to take advantage of that Amazon deal.
 
user15026
Both of those were too hard for me
 
user15026
3:30 AM
sigh
 
:o
 
@AshleyNunn Keith's hop ale
 
user15026
@MBraedley I haven't actually tried that yet
 
This guy almost makes me want to consider trying to do work in 3D again.
All of his stuff is just so cool and awesome
@3ventic Are you still missing Snowglobe card #4?
I just got one
You can have it if you want it
wat
 
3:47 AM
@ElfSlice about time
@ElfSlice it was illegal to be openly homosexual at that time in GB
 
I guess.
 
user20683
@ElfSlice No guessing, it was.
 
I mean I guess that explains it
 
user15026
@ElfSlice This actually makes me quite delighted
 
user20683
you would be sentenced to essentially have your balls shrink to nothing via hormones.
 
3:49 AM
@FrostEngineer wtf
What would that even accomplish
 
user20683
@ElfSlice Would correct your "deviancy"
 
I would rather just tell people I wasn't gay than do that
 
user20683
@ElfSlice Which is why many didn't
 
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Q: How do I boot people from my Gears Judgement game?

SeanWhere is the option to kick people from my Judgement game?

 
Just learned C-Jeff is doing music for Temporus. Definitely interested in the game now.
> British mathematician and computer scientist Alan Turing was convicted of "gross indecency" in 1952, before being sentenced to chemical castration.
ಠ_ಠ
 
3:53 AM
@Lazers This edit made me feel so good because of the user.
 
@MechanicalLoon ?
 
@ElfSlice Because it's a petty edit.
 
@MechanicalLoon What does that have to do with the user?
 
@ElfSlice Not the biggest fan.
 
@MechanicalLoon Oh.
Well, you really showed him, I guess.
 
3:57 AM
Petty revenge is best revenge.
 
Speaking of petty revenge
You should upvote that because it's awesome
Ultionus: A Tale of Petty Revenge
 
My beer is empty :(
 
Sad at how short it was though. =[
Time for bed I think
 
@ElfSlice nonsense. You don't have to work tomorrow, do you?
 
@MBraedley No, but it's 11 and my sleep habits are messed up.
Also 'bed' is more appropriate than 'porn'.
 
4:04 AM
@ElfSlice there's always porn in bed
 
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Q: Rename Gears of War Judgement to Gears of War Judgment

Mechanical LoonCan we change the tag gears-of-war-judgement to gears-of-war-judgment and possibly create a synonym. This just fixes a common spelling mistake. According to wikipedia the spelling of the current tag is incorrect.

 
@SepiaLazers @MechanicalLoon There's only 8, why not just edit them?
 
Because I didn't want that temporary state where both tags exist at once.
 
Also the correct spelling is usually 'Judgement'. Wtf game.
 
The correct spelling is "Judgment" in American English, and "Judgement" in British English.
 
user15026
4:07 AM
@ElfSlice That would be because we are Canadian and thus use the BE spelling
 
@MechanicalLoon So the correct spelling is 'Judgement', then.
 
@ElfSlice The correct spelling for something coming out of America is "Judgment".
 
Silly America
Never gets old
 
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Q: How do I play Minecraft with my friend?

user64734I was face timing my friend who just got Minecraft and was wondering if i could invite her to multiplayer. I keep trying but I can't find any button or anything

 
Speaking of Rochard, it's currently on sale for $1.99 on Steam.
$2.09 for the soundtrack
soundtrack edition:
It's worth the extra 10 cents
You people should get it
 
4:39 AM
0
Q: Least screen size for kinect

hsukI am looking forward to buy a screen for my xbox 360. What could be the least appropriate screen size for using xbox kinect ? Will 24" gonna be fine ?

 
Ugh why are the controls in Brutal Legend completely unresponsive?
What is with Doublefine games and controlling like garbage?
 
user15026
@MechanicalLoon I don't know but I wish it wasn't that way
 
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Collectables

Proposed Q&A site for collectors of stamps, coins, dolls, toys, games, insects, baseball cards, comic books, and other items.

Currently in definition.

 
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Q: Who do you make Skylanders easier to play?

paytonAre there any cheats for the skylanders spyro's adventure, skylanders giants, or skylanders swap-force?

 
4:55 AM
@MechanicalLoon I couldn't get into Brutal Legend.
 
@OrigamiRobot It seems weird.
 
I think I played it till it got to the RTS part.
 
I'm still in the tutorial area because the controls make no sense.
Supposedly it's "click to attack"
When I click, sometimes it does nothing, sometimes it attacks, and sometimes it does the power attack which is supposed to be click and hold.
So I mean it's not particularly difficult, but it's also pretty stupid doing whatever combo happens to come out of the random input I give it rather than having direct control.
 
@MechanicalLoon I played it on 360 and had no problem with the controls, so try a gamepad.
 
@OrigamiRobot Yeah some reviews suggested that. My Windows laptop comes tomorrow, so I might just install it there.
Along with all the Windows-only games I bought this sale.
 
5:02 AM
I was playing it with headphones because there were some people having a meeting in our apartment at the time. This was when @IanPugsley and I were still in school. I leaned back too far and the headphones popped out right in time for the main character to say "Now I'll teach you about French kissing." very loudly.
 
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Q: What advantages are there to the Codex Scanner?

Shadow ZorgonOn Warframe, there is an item called the Codex Scanner, which allows you to scan enemies to get an entry on them. Besides earning data on them, are there any other advantages?

 
user15026
@OrigamiRobot OMG that is awesome
 
CAT CHALLENGE
cc @AshleyNunn @Wipqozn @Frank
 
user15026
waits for her email to herself so she can get a picture off her phone
 
5:13 AM
NOW I HAVE TO DRIVE TO MY MOM'S HOUSE FOR CHRISTMAS BYE EVERYONE
 
user15026
MWAHAHAHA WATCH OUT INTERNET I HAVE CONQUERED CODECADEMY'S WEB FUNDAMENTALS COURSE :D
 

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