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7:52 AM
@Jolenealaska I would recommend some diclofenac then, (might be called voltaren or something different) which will deal with the pain and make it possible to sleep. It won't do much for the congestion though. You've already rejected my suggestion for what to do about that!
 
8:14 AM
You really need to look at main. Are you kidding me? Smudge marks left by dishwashing gloves really bother you!?! What ever you do don't enter my kitchen...
I feel ahead of the curve if nothing in my refrigerator is actively trying to escape.
 
I take it you're not talking to me then!
 
To you, yes. About you, no.
 
Hello and good evening. I hope you feel better.
 
My line about refrigerator contents trying to escape made me giggle. I added it to the question.
It might be the Nyquil.
 
I usually have vegetables escaping before I think of what to do with them.
 
8:25 AM
Those veggies can get very creative with escape techniques.
 
Usually though, they only manage to escape as far as my rubbish bin.
 
Bin...then outdoor trash...then we take over the world!
 
Right. They're multiplying all over the earth.
 
three or four men in my life ago I dated a clean freak. What a train wreck...
 
Oh, I married one!
 
8:28 AM
Noooooooooooooo
 
I think I prefer disgusting women.
My ex-wife wrinkles her nose up whenever she comes near my flat.
 
He once commented that he was disgusted by the idea that some people rarely dump the trap door at the base of the toaster. trap door?
 
Haha. What is "rarely"? Once a year? That's about how often I do mine.
 
Once per toaster works for me.
 
Do you use the trap door, or do you just turn it upside down and shake?
 
8:32 AM
One time each, per toaster
 
Hehehe.
THe property manager who looks after my flat wants me to buy a base for my bed. She thinks that putting the mattress on the floor will damage the carpet. How ridiculous is that?
 
I can't chat long, I only got up to take another swig of Nyquil. - I told you about mine, right? That the target taped to the door of my fridge freaks her out? She is convinced that I sit at my computer and shoot at the fridge.
 
Haha, I can just picture you doing that too.
 
Pow pow - Take that! You veggies! There is no escape.
 
Right. So you have a notice on the INSIDE of your fridge door saying "escapers will be shot".
 
8:39 AM
:)
Chit...must go...nyquil has kicked in
 
OK. Get well soon.
 
I have no idea what nyquil is, by the way, but I guess I can google it.
 
 
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9:53 AM
@Cerberus a ghost story!
 
 
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11:16 AM
@ElendilTheTall Boo?
What is this about?
 
11:27 AM
I'm an idiot!
A couple of days ago, I voted to close a question. But I didn't refresh my window.
So today, I saw my window open, with this question in, and decided to answer it. I spent about half an hour writing a thorough and detailed answer. Crossing all the T's and dotting all the I's.
Then I saw that the "submit" button was disabled.
I refreshed my window, and the question showed up as being closed.
If anyone wants a highly detailed explanation of why you shouldn't use floating point numbers to store money, let me know.
 
Poor you!
And hello.
 
What's that? If Jesus had been born in China?
 
Oh, of course. Silly me.
 
If Jesus had been born now, the wise men would have been blocked by the wall.
 
11:33 AM
@DavidWallace how would you like to redeem yourself by helping me with a javascript problem :)
 
If Jesus had been born in 2007, it wouldn't be called 2007.
 
It extends to Bethlehem, apparently.
Had he been born in 2013, however...
 
If your Javascript problem is "why shouldn't I use floating point numbers to store money", I'd be happy to.
 
@DavidWallace alas, it's not
 
11:35 AM
Even I know integers are the way to go for money vars
 
In Javascript, certainly. For Java, I prefer BigDecimal.
 
I cannot for the life of me see what's going wrong
 
Can you ask me your Javascript problems at a different time of day next time?
 
lol
I'll make an appointment :)
 
Bring your own towel.
 
11:38 AM
Huh?
To Bethlehem? Or to Millihelendil's Javascript appointment?
 
ah, I've found the problem
your very presence is inspirational
 
I can write a script to come in here occasionally, at unsuitable times.
 
hmmm
does Jquery have some way of selecting the next element of a given type?
I know it has a .closest() function that goes up, I want something to go down
 
How would I know?
 
it was rhetorical
 
11:42 AM
If you have a thing that goes up, it shouldn't be too hard for you to work out how to make a thing go down.
 
hmmm, .next() should do it
I need to get the value of a button inside an anchor tag so I can pass it to a function called on clicking said anchor tag, y'see
 
@ElendilTheTall I leave for work in 30 seconds so no follow up question, but most javascript frameworks that let you do CSS selection let you provide a context, so that you can say give me all of the matching elements within THIS element. So you would get the first input inside your anchor.
 
Look up the syntax, there is probably a second parameter for your CSS selection function.
 
.next() only works for sets of elements, ie finding the next li in a set of lis
 
12:48 PM
It occurs to me that I shouldn't have a button inside an anchor tag anyway, it's not semantic
so I've ditched the button and I'm just dumping the value straight from my database into the function call with PHP. Now to see if it works...
 
 
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2:02 PM
Thursday, Thursday.
 
2:12 PM
chirp, chirp
 
how the heck am I meant to figure out how I earned a secret hat? All it says is "This is a secret hat". Something to do with posting an answer and/or being upvoted, since that's all I did on that site...?
but that's like the vaguest criteria ever XD
ah, apparently I'm not supposed to know what I did
maybe rapid-fire editing as I kept changing my mind about wording?
 
I have secret hats too, and no clue how I earned them. But the trick is to not care about the hats. Its a zen thing.
Ooh... I just got an accept from the @Yamikuronue Did you ship your cookies
 
I did :)
I forgot I hadn't accepted an answer until I got more rep for that question >.>
 
How many cookies did you make? What kinds?
 
We got some nifty tins, and used some tissue paper to stop them from jostling too much. One of the cookies turned out moister than I'd planned but the others should hold up well
We did ginger snaps, banana peanut butter chocolate chip cookies, and mexican chocolate cookies
plus I threw in some Hershey's Kisses
 
2:27 PM
Let me guess, the banana cookies were the moist offenders :-)
 
the gluten-free sugar cookies kind of... were a total disaster, so we left them out
yup >.>
 
I can understand gluten free... when it is a medical necessity.
 
They were nice and firm fresh out of the oven but overnight turned kind of moist and sticky
yeah, one of my friends is gluten-free on doctor's orders. She's getting a gift certificate instead of cookies
 
Banana is pretty moist and hydroscopic. I bet they had brown sugar too.
 
2:31 PM
Intersting.... would you make them again?
 
Probably, but in smaller batches when I plan to eat them all at once (like, for a party or something)
the leftover cookies didn't keep well
 
I have a banana chocolate chip recipe, and of course pb and chocoalte isw great, but never thought to combine all three; especially with oats.
 
yeah. I had some really great "everything" oatmeal cookies one year someone else made and I've been looking for a similar recipe since
oatmeal cookies as a base for lots of ingredients seems like an underappreciated but awesome diea
oh crap, afk
 
 
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4:33 PM
"oats": "A grain, which in England is generally given to horses, but in Scotland appears to support the people." - Samuel Johnson
 
And in 'merica, is used to make cookies :-)
 
"Yes, and where else will you see such horses and such men?" - Sir Walter Scott
@SAJ14SAJ as is right.
 
A good oatmeal cookie is a thing of beauty.
 
4:52 PM
"I'm going to take the next two days and hammer out this giant list of fixes" I said two hours ago.
Guess what I just finished :D
 
5:17 PM
@Yamikuronue Party!
 
Do you get the next 14 hours off, then?
 
Congrats!
 
nah. I get to spend it doing NewJob instead of OldJob
which at the moment consists of a lot of researching and thinking about how I want to do NewJob after people come back from vacation
 
I assume that is a reward
 
5:20 PM
both jobs are fun :)
But I feel all accomplished and awesome now
 
Super-Yami!
 
6:19 PM
i just put my contact info out on a vendor website. i am doomed. Doomed. sigh
 
:)
I got invited to a fun meeting. We're hoping to convince people not to do what the meeting was called to do.
 
@Yamikuronue erm... that seems a little strange.
 
They want to sign a contract with a vendor to outsource a function. We want them not to lock us into a vendor when we could be in a position to in-house it within a year.
 
Ah... the grand fight.
My CISO loves outsourcing and ASPs.
I do not.
 
Well in this case, outsourcing makes sense because the function is crucial and we can't do it well ourselves.... but we're going to be able to very shortly.
 
6:25 PM
I should have said CIO.
My boss, the CISO feels more like I do, especially for security functions.
Can you say what the function is without being too indiscrete?
 
The launch of nuclear bombs?
Bestiality?
 
Cerby-dorbz, those are pretty dark proposals.
What is with you today? :-)
 
Hey the bombs could be used to divert a comet.
And what's wrong with bestiality??
 
@Cerberus Riiiiiiiight.
@Cerberus Cruelty to animals?
 
Lol! It's some QA services
 
6:28 PM
@Yamikuronue They just hired you for QA?
 
@SAJ14SAJ It's not cruel if they like it or are indifferent to it.
 
Yup
 
@Cerberus How would you demonstrate that?
 
Less cruel than butchering them.
 
@Cerberus But they might be delicious.
 
6:29 PM
This is for one specific product that faces the general public, so usability is being prioritized since we don't have a client relationship to give us feedback
 
@SAJ14SAJ Measure stress hormones in their blood? Look at their behaviour?
@SAJ14SAJ Are you talking about the culinary or the sexual sense?
 
As I told my future boss in the interview, I don't see a need to intercept the outsourcing until we're ready to handle it, but he pointed out that if we're going to sign, say, a five-year contract....
 
@Cerberus Former, its a family friendly board.
Are they committed to building QA as a core competency? With much respect, you are very young to grow an entire business function.
I didn't mean to be mean....
 
I am convinced that she can do it!
 
@Cerberus Yami is very smart, Cerby....
 
6:36 PM
Exactly. So.
 
And yet, and I say this from weight of experience, there are some things where years pay off.
They wrote in our constitution that the president must be at least 35 IIRC. To me, that is at least 15 years too low.
what is going on in Holland today? It is dreary and close to the freezing point today.
 
Yes.
 
6:52 PM
Boy, i was on the phone and missed whatever you removed. now I am feeling left out :-)
I hate winter.
Then again, I am no fan of summer, although I really, really hate snow.
 
7:31 PM
Back
yeah, they're doing a 1-year contract :)
 
:-)
Years fly by in enterprise time.
 
In one year I plan to be in a position to demonstrate that half the things they're paying for we can do just as easily in-house
they're concerned at how much outsourcing is costing
 
Sometimes those types of things get more complicated the closer you get to them.
I hope it goes smoothly for you.
 
7:57 PM
I hate dealing with dough conditioner spec sheets.
 
8:11 PM
@sourd'oh Must your dough be conditioned?
you can go artisinal.
No more than 4 ingredients.
Maybe 6 for brioche.
 
oh man, this poor user...
 
Haha, I actually pretty much forego dough conditioners, but I still get sent samples.
And they all have the MOST vague language. "This product is a dough improver and perfector..." but what does it DOOOOO!?
 
Our security scanner appears to be clicking the "forgot password" link 30+ times a night, which sends an email to the contact email on file... which belongs to the person who filed this helpdesk ticket complaining
 
@sourd'oh :-)
@sourd'oh That doesn't sound helpful. The consumer stuff is worse, although it is not widely known. Like the one for pizza dough. I think it is a terrible product, though.
@Yamikuronue Security scanner?
 
Yeah. I dunno, there's a security team that runs it
 
8:21 PM
I have just discovered by accident that you cannot downvote your own question :-0
 
haha!
 
@Yamikuronue Tell them, "stop that!"
 
How goes it
 
@SAJ14SAJ PZ44?
 
Mwahahaha
I came across a question saying "DON'T BOTHER MARKING THIS AS A DUPLICATE"
...and flagged it as a duplicate :)
(It is, in fact, a dupe. There's already "Minecraft LAN doesn't connect" and a long, exhaustive list of ideas to try. This question is "Minecraft LAN doesn't connect and I'm a special snowflake who deserves my own answer so don't close my question!!!!")
 
8:53 PM
Nearly useless eggs:
 
9:29 PM
@Yamikuronue It sounds like you've made a mistake. You should flag it as a duplicate and downvote, in that case :-P
 
It's OK-ish for a question to say "this is similar to X, but different because Y" (it'd be far better to rewrite it so its clear that its different, of course)... but yeah, I've seen the "yeah, its a duplicate, but I want to ask it again anyway, so f— off" from people.
Not in those words, of course.
 
I have a secret hat
it's so secret I'm not even going to wear it
and just so you spend the rest of the day on tenterhooks, I'm off to bed - good night!
 
@ElendilTheTall Doesn't everyone have at least one secret hat at this point? You're late to the party.
 
I've got several!
 
9:34 PM
Yeah. @ElendilTheTall has two...
 
I suspect I got the ghost hat for necroposting, since I got a badge for it at the same time I got the hat
(fun fact: I necroposted ages ago, but it just hit 10 upvotes today)
 
@Yamikuronue Yes, but it appears nothing is going to get you out of that pirate hat.
 
I love the pirate hat :)
 
9:50 PM
arrr
 
10:11 PM
@sourd'oh I don't understand
@Yamikuronue ;-)
@ElendilTheTall I have a couple secret hats. no clue what i did to get them
 
Hi all
Any idea? What's this?
The name doesn't help .... Chopin gets millons of google (non related) hits
 
@belisarius You have me stumped. I cannot tell if it is pastry product, a dried vegetable, or a pod from outer space ready to take over all human life for its own evil purposes.
 
We must find someone who can read funny characters.
 
@derobert You live!
 
@SAJ14SAJ the texture was like fresh pig skin
 
10:19 PM
Ah, that would be option 3, pod.
 
@SAJ14SAJ and option 2, dried
it was wet
 
That definitely points to option 3.
 
I mean, humid
 
Are you looking for the word "moist"?
 
I can't find any help from google, strange
 
10:21 PM
Yeah, I tried "chopin food" but still too many false hits.
 
Probably because you can't type those funny letters into Google.
 
Where was the picture taken? perhaps someone who speaks that language can google it in their local google or equivilent using the characgters.
 
@derobert Well, Chopin ate too much :)
@SAJ14SAJ At a Chinese supermarket
 
That'd explain the Chinese characters.
 
In china? In Holland? In the US?
 
10:22 PM
@derobert :)
@SAJ14SAJ In Argentina
 
Well, its 200 for a kilo. Is that cheap or expensive?
 
It is indeed Ungooglable!
 
Hi Cerby
 
run the letters through Chinese OCR?
 
translate.google.com/#zh-CN/en ... you could try redrawing them
 
10:23 PM
@SAJ14SAJ Pretty expensive. Four times the cost of good meat
 
That suggests it might be a cured animal product of some type. Given the size, maybe it really is pig skin as you guessed.
 
Stack Exchange is your friend!
 
they accept "translate this" questions?
I would htink if they do, they would drown in them.
 
No idea.
 
10:24 PM
@Cerberus Language sites usually frown upon you whaen you only want a translation and not learning the language
 
"Open ended questions regarding the accuracy of a translation or asking for a translation of a word or passage without showing previous effort are not allowed."
 
@Yamikuronue Amen
 
@belisarius You could try their chat room?
 
that's from their FAQ
 
@Cerberus Good idea cerby.
 
10:26 PM
if they have a lively chat, they might be willing to help there, but a lot of beta sites have almost no chat presence
 
Or...you could ask on SA, hoping to draw in Chinese users.
 
"34d ago – Stan"
 
@Cerberus Well, I could try, yes. Let's see. Stay tuned.
 
Hey Yamster. Did you survive your meetings today?
 
@Yamikuronue Yeah, that's possible.
 
10:26 PM
@SAJ14SAJ I did :)
 
2 more upvotes and I get the coveted 200 rep hat to not wear :-)
90 minutes remaining on the UTC day
What are the odds?
 
@Cerberus Ha! The last message was posted 34 days ago.
 
@Cerberus I haven't seen Jay in a long time, and I don't know if he speaks or reads it.
@belisarius Not a good sign
 
Not at all
 
So you print your picture, go to your local china town, and wander around asking everyone "What is this?"
 
10:29 PM
@SAJ14SAJ Well, I'll post a question in the site.
 
If you survive the experience, someone will probably tell you.
 
some Chinese friend could help
 
@belisarius Oh, dear...
@SAJ14SAJ Hmm I wouldn't know.
 
his profile says he comes around sometimes, based on last seen, but haven't seen him in chat since he graduated.
 
@belisarius You could also as on forum about learning Chinese somewhere?
 
10:31 PM
Or passed his exams, or whatever it was, not quite sure.
 
Oh, did he?
 
205, made it. if that was charity from one of you, thanks :-)
 
@SAJ14SAJ I think PZ44 is the big pizza dough improver
 
@sourd'oh There was a question about what is in Fleischman's "pizza yeast". @Jefromi tried it, basically described the results as nasty
 
@SAJ14SAJ You're welcome :) Your answers pretty much all deserve upvotes but some of them were old and thus had not been upvoted yet by me
 
10:33 PM
ahh, ok
PZ44 is a commercial product, though I think it's somewhat similar to what they add to the pizza yeast
 
7
Q: What is "pizza crust yeast"?

JefromiSomeone gave me a bunch of envelopes of pizza crust yeast, "specially formulated for pizza crust". The packets also say that no rise time or proofing is needed, and that it's "NOT recommended for bread baking." The ingredients are yeast, enzymes, sorbitan monostearate, l-cysteine, and ascorbic ac...

I ananlyzed the ingredients to that one by googling, but I don't think you had joined us yet Sour. No doubt it is much more clear to you.
 
ahh, yeah
I think PZ44 is l-cysteine, whey, and ascorbic acid. And probably some soy and corn based fillers
 
this is what comes up mostly when you google PZ44:
:-)
 
hah, well, I doubt much is said about the commercial dough conditioner. People probably don't even want to talk about using it
I think l-cysteine is about the worst.
 
I am glad to hear you don't use it.
 
10:37 PM
We use deactivated yeast for the same purpose which contains glutathione (a natural source of l-cysteine) and has the odd side effect of actually tasting good.
 
that's just crazy talk
 
the isolated l-cysteine is usually made from either hair or feathers.
which, hey, whatever, but if there's a natural product that works better... why not?
 
There we go
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Q: Help wanted to identify this food item (oriental)

belisariusI found this item at a Chinese supermarket. Hints: It was in a fridge It was humid (almost wet) and fresh The "slices" were 3-4 mmm thick I googled for "Chopin", "Chopin food", "Chopin Chinese", etc. to no avail. Too many music related hits returned!

 
@sourd'oh hair and feathers aren't natural?
 
What they have to do to get the l-cysteine out of the hair and feathers isn't.
 
10:40 PM
@belisarius It looks so much like rawhide
 
@SAJ14SAJ May be. Really no idea
 
@derobert I'm not even debating natural vs artificial. I'm just saying deactivated yeast is easier to use and works better, plus doesn't have the PR baggage of the other stuff.
 
I was saying the "tastes good" party is crazy :-)
 
@SAJ14SAJ There were all kinds of mushrooms around it :)
 
@belisarius Maybe its a dried cured mushroom product!
 
10:42 PM
@SAJ14SAJ Or any permutation of that words
 
@SAJ14SAJ Who knows, autolyzed yeast extract is well-known for tasting good...
 
@derobert You mean marmite and vegamite? I have heard mixed reviews....
 
@SAJ14SAJ No, I mean the way to add MSG without having to put MSG on your label
 
Strangely, I have little problem with MSG. We use salt, as well.
 
@derobert precisely. Deactivated yeast has adds lots of amino acids and umami flavors to your baked goods. Some are actually sold as both dough relaxers and flavor enhancers.
 
10:44 PM
Neither do I. But a lot of people seem to think its evil...
 
how is the yeast deactivated? Cooked?
 
yeah, it's usually heat deactivated
 
@SAJ14SAJ No idea. Autolyzed yeast extract is made by salting the yeast, at least according to teh wiki
 
you can make it yourself by making a slurry and then heating it
 
Wiki knows all
 
10:47 PM
@derobert there's also a "salt poolish" baking technique that relies on that! Salting fresh yeast and letting it rest until it becomes liquid then using it to add flavor!
 
The chopin has me stumped. I no longer think it is pork rind.
Must get answer.
 
@SAJ14SAJ Already asked for help to a Chinese friend from another SE site. Let's see if she answers.
 
@belisarius :-)
 
@SAJ14SAJ I suspect they're just eating Frédéric Chopin. That's what Google seems to want to tell me, at least.
 
@derobert I don't think so. He is too bony by now
 
10:53 PM
Well, you never know. They eat chicken feet, after all, and they're pretty bony.
 
@belisarius maybe that's his dessicated husk?
 
Chopin would be unsafe to eat by now. Well more than 4 hours at ambient temperature
2
 
@sourd'oh Or some byproduct of his piano
 
in English Language & Usage, 14 mins ago, by hwlau
@Cerberus It means Korea dried vegetable (A type of vegetable)
in English Language & Usage, 46 secs ago, by Cerberus
@hwlau Ahh thanks!! So this is a type of vegetable: do you know what kind? Is it like cabbage, or beans, or...? And is it like a dough made out of vegetable flour, or is it the whole leaves of a vegetable?
 
@Cerberus It was obvious. EL&U is the best place to ask for identifying Korean food :)
 
10:58 PM
Of course!
So obvious you probably didn't think of it.
in English Language & Usage, 33 secs ago, by hwlau
@Cerberus Cabbage type, or bok choy. I don't know which one exactly
 
@Cerberus I was too busy googling for how to cook a Frédéric
 
Aww. You no like?
in English Language & Usage, 2 mins ago, by Cerberus
@hwlau Thanks! So are these things whole leaves?
 
Their color is awefully strange for a plant part.
And the thickness.
And the crumbs falling off of the ends in the picture Bel did
 
@Cerberus Well, they didn't feel like leaves at all. But who knows ...
 
Dried cabbage leaves, apparently.
Or who knows what else they did with it, bury it or piss on it...
 
11:04 PM
@Cerberus Way too large for that
 
Can't cabbages be huge?
Maybe they have attached several leaves to create a big sheet?
 
@Cerberus and not nervations
 
Hmm.
I really have no idea.
 
@Cerberus Jolene is probably sleeping.
 
Hah.
 
11:06 PM
That is not a Brussels sprout!
 
Big!
 
They have a joke in Alaska. If you cut Alaska in half, what do you get? the two biggest states in the union. Their produce follows right in line.
I cannot imagine those giant cabbages taste very good though.
 
Hah.
 
@SAJ14SAJ They aren't food
 
Oh, more like merchandise? Slaves?
 
11:19 PM
@belisarius Poach well, and serve with sriracha sauce?
 
@SAJ14SAJ We could propose an SE site about Anthropophagy. Something like "Seasoned you"
 
@belisarius Probably wouldn't get out of beta. Not enough interest :-|
 
@SAJ14SAJ O tempora, o mores! It would have scored nice in the past : art-bin.com/art/omodest.html
 
;-)
 

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