The Frying Pan

Just make sure to get the grade C stuff, the lighter ones don't have enough aroma for me. If you are reduced to using grade A, you can take sugar syrup without anybody noticing the difference

Not on a pancake, but as a baking ingredient, the light syrups are just too subtle.

I don't see a point in using shortening (my feelings about it are similar to the feelings about processed cheese) but if you really don't find it, there is always palm fat.

And I can't believe that whole milk can be that rare in Belgium.

Mien

for the maple or the golden?

it's not rare

but we don't use it

here at home I mean

rumtscho

@Mien, for the maple. I don't think there is much difference between types of golden syrup.

Mien

I don't think it'll make a big difference

rumtscho

8:47 PM

The milk fat content isn't important in baking, it only gets critical in custards and ice cream.

Mien

yeah

and it's a good 300ml for 24 cupcakes

I would make only 6 or so for a try out

rumtscho

But as for using milk at home, I don't understand how you can leave out the tasty stuff ;)

Mien

I don't know :p

I've drank semi-skimmed all my life

so I'm used to that flavour

rumtscho

Isn't 6 too small a batch to be worth the work and cleaning up the kitchen?

Mien

could be 12, I'll see :)

rumtscho

8:50 PM

I always make 12er batches, even though it takes me half a week to eat them.

Mien

but 24 is a bit much :p

rumtscho

It is the first day I am eating something different than pie.

Mien

:D

rumtscho

I started Friday evening and had nothing else for the weekend.

Mien

poor you

you should have a cat

rumtscho

8:51 PM

It is a bit of a problem, eating alone and wanting to try out recipes at 5000 calories per batch.

I'd love having a cat.

Mien

Yes I totally understand your problem :p

rumtscho

(Especially if the litter can take care of itself).

Mien

I bring my bf from time to time something I baked

but I want him to be fat :p

so I give most of the stuff to my dad

rumtscho

On the other hand, I wouldn't feed my tarta grandiosa with 20 Eur per kg blackkurrants to a cat.

Mien

I think the cat would lick around the blackcurrants, so you can have them

rumtscho

8:53 PM

@Mien, watch your writing. This sounds almost as if you want your dad to be fat.

Mien

or are they smashed?

rumtscho

No, they are whole.

But I must confess that if my dad is around, he ends up eating the biggest part of it too.

Not because I am fattiening him, but because he eats so much more than anybody else in the family

Mien

he's old enough to know what to eat and what not ;)

test $X$

rumtscho

Some fathers are old enough, others melt like 4-year-olds when they see a sweet. And claim that they can't taste anything if they have less than 3 tablespoonfuls of food in their mouth at a time.

Mien

:D

rumtscho

9:00 PM

@Mien I think that there was some kind of Markdown tutorial in the meta.SO faq

hobodave

chicken breast is overrated

rumtscho

Oh, nice, we still have an American online

hobodave

I buy boneless thighs like they're going out of style

rumtscho

(did you go skulking when I sad bad things about American taste and @Mien about American volume measuring?)

But now I can ask: What are baby greens?

@hobodave, I like both, for different applications.

But I don't trust myself near a chicken breast without a thermometer, they're so easy to ruin.

hobodave

@rumtscho they're young greens

baby spinach is really common, also arugula, Bibb, red-leaf, and oak-leaf lettuces

though they are often sold here in a "baby mixed greens" bag

rumtscho

9:05 PM

"greens"
as in

Alliance '90/The Greens

Alliance '90/The Greens () is a green political party in Germany, formed from the merger of the German Green Party and Alliance 90 in 1993. Its leaders are Claudia Roth and Cem Özdemir. In the 2009 federal elections, the party won 10.7% of the votes and 68 out of 622 seats in the Bundestag. Former names and variants in the states The party used to be called The Greens since its foundation in 1980 until its unification with Alliance '90 in 1993. The West Berlin state branch of The Greens used to be called Alternative Liste, or precisely, Alternative Liste für Demokratie und Umweltschutz...

Mien

red-leaf is a green?

:p

hobodave

"bibb, red-leaf, and oak-leaf lettuces"

rumtscho

OK. Because I hadn't heard about "greens" before. I mean, practicaly every vegetable is green.

hobodave

@Mien they're all lettuces. bite

@rumtscho very common term here, it's any leafy green

rumtscho

I just say "letuces" in this case. Or "salads", which of course makes half the people think I am talking of the dish.

Mien

9:07 PM

spinach isn't a lettuce! bites back

hobodave

but spinach is not a lettuce, nor is kale, or mustard greens or turnip greens

nor is swiss chard

Mien

I don't understand those words :(

you win

rumtscho

Um, I don't use them in a common application

hobodave

lol

I do

rumtscho

People are really eating turnip greens?

hobodave

9:08 PM

I had some last night

rumtscho

Last Christmas, I had forgotten that everything closes at noon on the 24.12.

And stays closed until the 27th.

So I worked until 14:30 on the 24th and went shopping, the fridge was totally empty because of the "end of year" work rush

After a long search, I found an Asian grocery shop which was open until 16:00. But they didn't have fresh vegetables. And nothing dairy. And I hate ramen.

hobodave

lol

Mien

What is so special about ramen btw?

rumtscho

I got something more or less eatable (mungo beans I think) and went to the "fresh produce" fridge, which practically only housed herbs

And there were these big leaves

hobodave

@Mien good ramen is pretty amazing

Mien

9:12 PM

It's like a noodle soup? Or what?

I only know it from Naruto :p

hobodave

yes

rumtscho

I didn't dare asking what they are. I took them home, christened them "chard", and cooked them with coconut milk and lots of nutmeg for a Christmas meal.

Mien

and how did they turned out, @rumtscho?

rumtscho

But I always suspected that they were turnip leaves. Adult ones, not baby greens.

hobodave

@Mien I don't know what that is, but I assume it translates to "I am a nerd". :)

Mien

9:13 PM

It's an anime series

hobodave

I don't think I've ever see turnip greens sold alone

@Mien I know that much, hence the nerd jab. :)

Mien

but you guys don't watch TV because it's a weightgaining device and something else.

you are way more nerdy than me!

hobodave

prove it

Mien

with all your python scripts

rumtscho

@Mien, it was lousy for a celebration, but I am not that big into Christmas anyway. But I had spiced them enough not to notice the taste, just in case. So they just tasted of cellulose with nutmeg.

hobodave

9:14 PM

I sit at my computer and ooze coolness

2

Mien

@rumtscho, what did you eat the 25th en 26th? :-/

you have a mac

hobodave

I usually have greens with balsamic vinegar

Mien

you are a developer

you understood that joke

hobodave

@Mien which means I am hip

rumtscho

@hobodave I think that a "real" nerd would laugh at Naruto. This is mainstream stuff.

Mien

9:15 PM

hahahahaha

hobodave

@Mien which means I bathe in money

rumtscho

@Mien, I had them on the 25th.

hobodave

@Mien which means I have great intuition

Mien

why do you keep bullying young and sweet girls? :-(

John Lopez

intuition and sweet young girls?

rumtscho

9:16 PM

@hobodave, does your intuition count for the mac, the combo of greens with vinegar, being a dev, or understanding some of the jokes mentioned earlier (without a proper ref which one)?

hobodave

@Mien I am not a bully! I was going to question your sweetness but I couldn't make it sound not-dirty.

Mien

:o you perv!

rumtscho

hi @JohnLopez

hobodave

@rumtscho use your mouse :) each was in response to a specific message :P

Mien

wow kudos! :)

John Lopez

9:17 PM

I like to lick CUPCAKE

hobodave

me too

I may treat myself tonight

@Mien am not. I restrained myself

test test

HI Runtsch hi

@Mien fail fail

:-(

9:19 PM

10 test

rumtscho

@hobodave you expect me to move my right hand 40 cm and position a good grip on the lump? I could write so much in this time

Mien

how do you link your sentence to another without the '@nick' thing?

John Lopez

opps Do lick cupcakes?or yourself?

hobodave

did you really just say "grip on the lump?"

Mien

that's what she said!

rumtscho

9:20 PM

@hobodave I was referring to my mouse. And yes, I use a grip on it.

hobodave

@Mien hover over the message you wish to respond to, a small arrow will appear on the right, click it

Mien

yes, but when i click that, i have 8616: in my 'chatbar'

John Lopez

"grip on the lump...no use oil slowly hmmm rub it flat

hobodave

@Mien so, ignore that and type your message

Mien

when I send that message, the 8616: will turn to @nick

hobodave

9:21 PM

right

Mien

@hobodave I test again

I want the @nick to be gone

hobodave

oh, I didn't understand you the first time, my bad

John Lopez

fail fail

Mien

can we kick people in the chat btw?

hobodave

I don't know if that can be done

Mien

9:22 PM

np :)

hobodave

yes

rumtscho

I am trying that too

OK, didn't work.

John Lopez

Mean cooker

or my bad

rumtscho

So, @hobodave, how do you eat baby greens (except in a salad)?

John Lopez

Does anyone have a good B sause

hobodave

9:24 PM

@rumtscho salad and sandwiches are pretty much the only way I eat baby greens

they have a more delicate flavor than the fully grown ones, cooking is rare. I've never cooked them

John Lopez

Strawberry baby greens

rumtscho

I found them here.

epicurious.com/tools/…

I still have a piece of parmesan to use up.

John Lopez

strawberry white wine reduction .....white pepper and gingar the end (candi ginger

Mien

this one? epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/…

rumtscho

Heh, what happened to my link?

But yes, this one.

John Lopez

9:28 PM

rumscto

Mien

it's rumtscho

rumtscho

On the other hand, maybe it isn't such a good idea to eat freshly sprouted greens in Germany right now.

Yes?

hobodave

I think he's a face typist

Mien

lol :p

I thought they knew the source of the EHEC?

John Lopez

No hell no ..fail fail

Thanks great

rumtscho

9:30 PM

@hobodave, do you read fantasy?

hobodave

@rumtscho I live fantasy

but yes, I read it too

rumtscho

They shut down a farm for it, said it was in bean sprouts.

John Lopez

@rumtsco or anyone

rumtscho

But who knows if this farm was the only one using the sprouts batch?

hobodave

@JohnLopez you haven't formulated a complete sentence since you've joined the chat. Do you need help with something?

Mien

9:31 PM

I thought it was that soy shoots nursery, that was suspected already

rumtscho

But there is this belief which sometimes gets spinned nicely in fantasy novels

hobodave

I don't eat sprouts

rumtscho

which says that talking about a new idea - often a paranormal being - can create the being out of nothing.

So, @hobodave, I must blame the invocation/creation of the face typist on you.

hobodave

@rumtscho haha I was wondering where you were going with that

John Lopez

Yes.thank-you n.New to this chat.English second lag share rieciepts lavender ....cake and ice and too spaich need ideas

rumtscho

9:35 PM

@JohnLopez, we don't do much recipes here. Have you tried sites like AllRecipes.com? You can search for "lavender" or other things there.

John Lopez

No thank-you

rumtscho

@hobodave, it looks like baby greens are a form of sprouts which has gotten older than usual. I suspect that both are grown on the same farms.

hobodave

@JohnLopez I'm afraid your English and typing skills will make it a bit difficult to communicate here in chat. We do have a lot of good questions & answers available under the resources tag

@rumtscho they are completely different imo

baby greens do not contain either the root or the still present seed

they are young leafy greens, that's it

John Lopez

Thank-you .will just read fun food talk.

hobodave

@JohnLopez happy to help

Mien

9:39 PM

funfoodtalk.blogspot.com :)

rumtscho

@hobodave, maybe the taste and the culinary applications are different. But if I were a farm which is equipped to produce one of those, I probably could produce the other without a big change in equipment and process. Which sounds like easy money. Which means that they are probably coproduced.

hobodave

@rumtscho I'm not sure what your point is

rumtscho

@hobodave, my point was that as long as there is EHEC potential in sprouts, I'll avoid baby greens too.

Mien

@rumtscho: wash them and you'll be fine

people with low resistance have a much higher risk

hobodave

I don't think that's necessary. You can wash baby greens. Baddies don't grow inside them

Mien

9:42 PM

(babies, elderly...)

hobodave

However beans/seeds can house the baddies inside them. Then the growing conditions of high moisture high heat allow them to thrive ridiculously well

You can have a contaminated sprout that no amount of washing will cleanse

but yea raw greens in general will still be more likely to poison you than cooked

but sprouts are like small possibly live tactical nukes

rumtscho

I think that I will just err on the side of caution for the next few weeks

John Lopez

EHEC potential in sprouts can be reduced by growing own sorouts and hers all baby greens.Off site .Five acres on farm co share two B and B .And one full serice brunch and Dinner

hobodave

I ate some pretty foul things in college

rumtscho

I am usually lax on food safety, but this one is scary

I have given myself food poisoning too.

Not too bad, but I've had some ugly colics for a day or two

John Lopez

9:47 PM

very not good

hobodave

I would leave pizza out unrefrigerated for 2 days and still eat it

rumtscho

But the usual germs on food don't kill 1/10 of their victims and put another 30% on permanent dialysis

Mien

@rumtscho: are there still people getting infected?

John Lopez

Food safety ie sprouts radish .Seem best in raw taste Cleaner if grow in water

Mien

Belgium is still EHEC-free, strangely

rumtscho

9:49 PM

@hobodave my parents have an "outer" kitchen. This is like a glassed portion of the big balcony.

It is somewhere in the 12-15°C range for half of the year, because they don't heat it.

Mien

but it's like an oven in the summer, no?

John Lopez

rumtscho Please stay so safe.Very Bad .Had with watermelon last summer

rumtscho

And when my mother cooks (and she cooks a lot at once), it gets put there instead of in the fridge

It stays there for about 3 days until it is eaten up.

And we usually don't get food poisoning.

@Mien, it isn't hotter than the rest of the house. It actually cools quicker in the night. But of course, it gets more sun, so heats in the day.

Mien

okay, I thought it was like a sort of veranda

Is veranda English? :p

rumtscho

We are getting an airconditioner this summer, but until now, we've lived our continental summers without one.

@hobodave, I looked up Chicago climate the other day. It is a lot like Sofia, only the rainy time is different, in Sofia most rain falls in May.

@Mien, I understand the word. But I am not sure if it is recognized in English or in some other of my languages. I think it comes from a Romance language and has gotten adopted as a foreign word in many others.

John Lopez

9:57 PM

Good to have mother like that.Buy her other fridge .Veranda side room side still part of house.Off the Kitchen is for our Veranda think like out A irconditioner good.Continental summers are Hot .

Mien

apparently it is 'verandah'

rumtscho

@JohnLopez, she has a fridge. It is just usually filled with other stuff, and there is no place for the cooked food in it.

Mien

but it has a slighty different meaning

am I the only one who thinks he's trolling? :p

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