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8:02 PM
hello
@Yamikuronue nice to see you here
Just finished reading your book
There was some misunderstanding, I thought you said it was romance, I was imagining Elora's cave style
But I prefer non-romance fantasy over romance fantasy, so all was good :)
 
Yay!
How are you today?
 
or at least fantasy with the presence of a romantic story over porn featuring exotic vampires and elves
@Cerberus I am well, thank you
 
It often seems that romance is tacked on later in a fantastic novel, like an afterthought, mostly irrelevant to the story.
Great!
Ugh, yes, if it gets pornographic, that's really annoying.
 
@Cerberus Many girls like their porn in a written form :) and with lots of love story surrounding the explicit scenes
 
The trick to reading trashy vampire novels, @rumtscho, is to skip those sections, or skim them quickly.
 
8:09 PM
@rumtscho Which book did you read?
 
Speak of the salacious, and the Wallace shall arrive.
 
Wolfbound is more romancy, The Hunt isn't
 
@SAJ14SAJ I don't mind trashy vampire novels of the Anita Blake type
 
@rumtscho The question is, do they like porn in a novel?
 
@rumtscho I liked the early ones, before she lost her mind (the author) and they sort of turned into soft-porn only, and all character development stopped. But don't ask me for details because I haven't read them in many years...
 
8:11 PM
@SAJ14SAJ what?
 
@DavidWallace You are very over the top flirting with the girls. They bring up soft porn in trashy vampire novels, and here you are :-)
 
I can't read Anita Blake anymore
I just gave up utterly
 
@SAJ14SAJ So I was somehow in control of what everyone was talking about just before I switched on my computer?
 
@SAJ14SAJ ah, I haven't read the late ones
 
@DavidWallace Obviously, you responded to the content of their conversation :-)
 
8:13 PM
I was all excited when Flirt came out, I convinced myself this was turning into a Start of Darkness tale based ont he ending to Flirt...
 
just the first 2-3
 
@rumtscho I don't remember how many I read, 3 or 4...
 
but then in Bullet it was never mentioned again and she's a 100% good character again and I'm like "....wut."
 
I made it through all but the last one of the Sookie novels.
 
so I gave up
 
8:13 PM
As for porn in a novel, I have a bundle of e-books here
 
@SAJ14SAJ Which I magically knew about when I was in the shower just now.
 
it looks like Narcissus In Chains was the beginning of the end for Anita becoming more porn than plot
 
I think that normally, the people who want porn disguised as a novel, get exactly what they want
but due to missing covers in the e-book, I can't tell what it is until it gets weird
 
@rumtscho weird == pornographic? Or weird == romance scenes without pornography?
 
though I rather like Nathaniel so I didn't notice too much for a few more books than that
 
8:15 PM
@DavidWallace Its quite the super-power, yes.
 
The Sookie books I couldn't get very far in. I hate Sookie. I hate her entire character archetype. I can only read so much of a series while disliking the main character
 
@DavidWallace weird == pornographic, out of nowhere
some of them are obvious from the start - beautiful damsels, vampires with ice-cold eyes
 
Sparkles are a very very bad sign.
 
but then I had one which started with a girl running around and seeing a knight in the woods
 
How long does it generally take for a novel to become pornographic? I mean, how many pages in does the sex start? I don't think I've ever read such a novel.
 
8:17 PM
Anita Blake hinted at romance pretty early, but it has become a harem series with more porn than plot when it teased being 50-50 split between romance and detective work
 
was even somewhat humorous, a bit like Dragon and George-like
and then the knight took off his clothes to go into the lake
I read the whole book, it was so surreal it was worth it
the weirdest part was a pornographic scene where the protagonist pair had a mindlink with the man's dragon and his mate
 
@rumtscho I don't want to know, and don't disambiguate that sentence, either :-)
 
@DavidWallace It is very different. Sometimes there aren't even explicit scenes, just pulp fiction adventure with gorgeous men surrounding the heroine
 
Right. A suggestion of sex, rather than sex itself.
 
I don't even know Sookie, should I count myself lucky?
 
8:20 PM
@rumtscho The early ones are quite good... I would give them a read. Charlene Harris.
 
but @Yamikuronue to come back to your question, I read The Hunt.
 
My favorite trashy vampire novels are the early Kimberly Harrison ones. Highly fun. kimharrison.net/TheBooks.html
 
I liked the book, the writing style was more fluid than I have seen in other non-pro writers
 
@SAJ14SAJ Those don't count as porn! I've read Kim Harrison.
 
Kim Harrison is great :)
@rumtscho Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it.
 
8:22 PM
if I hadn't known that you're into games, I'd have noticed it from the book though :)
 
I also quite enjoy Jim Butcher and Simon Greene
 
the storyline read a lot like a gameplay.
 
and Seanan McGuire
 
They are definitely tvns.
@Yamikuronue I love me some McGuire. I even wrote to her to tell her why, and she wrote back.
 
I seem to be very lacking in the vampire department
 
8:23 PM
@SAJ14SAJ Nice!
 
I don't remember any of the names you mention here
 
@rumtscho Teeth too short?
 
@rumtscho She was flattered at being compared to Bujold.
 
@rumtscho yeah, I have trouble with plot sometimes so I tried to lay it out like I was designing a campaign to see if that'd help
Jim Butcher does The Dresden Files, about a wizard detective. Simon Greene does the Nightside, about a... um... dude. Who is badass.
neither are vampire romance per se
 
and I could have sworn that at least 5% of my ebooks are of the supernatural style
Ah, I have read the first and second novel from The Dresden files, had forgotten the name
 
8:24 PM
Seanan McGuire is relatively new to being a big name, she does fae stuff mostly. Fae are becoming trendy lately. She also has a serial novel I'm reading about fairy tales. She also does horror under the name Mira Grant
 
@Yamikuronue Those are both some of my favorites, but they are more supernatural fantasy than tvns.
For some quality tvn, try the Illona Andrews (name?), the pseudonym of a husband and wife team.... stand by...
 
There was a vampire novel I liked a lot, but I can't remember the author or title :(
 
Illona Andrews sounds familiar...
Oh!
her.
 
@rumtscho Can you give us something to hang our hats on? Maybe we can figure it out?
@Yamikuronue They are more a them.
 
8:27 PM
@SAJ14SAJ It was Underworld-like, with a girl vampire in the main role, and some werewolves too. Romance was present, but not porn.
 
@rumtscho Okay, that is all very generic... was there a plot device or mcguffin or something?
 
I grabbed a sample of Magic Bites but I wasn't sure I'd like it so I left off and read something else
I might pick up a copy and give it a proper shot
 
@SAJ14SAJ I don't remember, read it at least 3 years ago
I just found out that I do have Kim Harrison e-books, could be that I have read them
 
And of course, not tvn, but fun in their own candylike ways, at least until the last two, are pretty much all the Liaden novels from husband and wife team Lee and Miller. baenebooks.com/…
 
Patricia Briggs is good too
not so much trashy but good
 
8:29 PM
@Yamikuronue Definitely, one of my absolutey favorites. She stays away from Trashy though.
 
@rumtscho Possibly. The main character of her most popular series is a bisexual, demon-hunting witch called Rachel Morgan. Ring a bell?
 
I started reading "The Werewolf Prince and I" by Marian Tee. Very trashy. But also terribly badly written
 
@DavidWallace That is kimberly harrison.
 
@SAJ14SAJ That's what Rumtscho said.
 
Jinx the pixie is much more memorable than Rachel.
 
8:31 PM
@SAJ14SAJ Not to me he wasn't.
I always get my female characters in full detailed living colour in my mind. Little pixies less so.
 
what else is in my library.. Laura Resnick, Faith Hunter, CE Murphy, Eileen Wilkes, none of those are trashy.
 
@DavidWallace Riiiiight.
 
No, it is not Rachel Morgan, just read the first two pages of that
whatever. It doesn't seem like I'll be able to remember which one it was.
 
...overheard in the hallway
"You about to go home and play World of Warfare or whatever it is?"
"Grand Theft Auto."
 
@Yamikuronue Well, i am sure those are quite similar :-) They are on the computer, after all.
 
8:41 PM
:)
 
roasted duck leg mole
 
@Jefromi Sounds interesting... where did that come from? :-)
 
My lunch!
 
@Jefromi to go with the trashy vampires or with GTA?
 
It was very good and not at all vampiric or grand theft.
 
8:43 PM
@Jefromi Pretty darn fancy lunch, rubbing your cafeterias in on us mere mortals.
 
@Jefromi I didn't know ducks grew moles on their legs. In any case, it doesn't sound like a very big meal.
 
I have been informed dinner is a roast :)
 
@Yamikuronue How you suffer, then.
 
@SAJ14SAJ you work from home, if you don't have good lunch, it must be your own fault
 
@rumtscho I rarely have lunch at all on the days I work from home. I have breakfast and dinner.
And yeah, I don't cook for myself that seriously....
 
8:47 PM
@SAJ14SAJ It's hard to cook seriously for oneself.
 
@DavidWallace I tend to bing: a large batch of say, what the Brit's would call Spagbol, then delivery and frozen foods....
Today, I had english muffins (whole wheat) with peanut butter for breakfast, then went downstairs to make a late lunch early dinner, and realized I had nothing quick. So i will have to order something later.
 
Yeah, I don't do takeaways very much. There's nowhere near me where I can get a good halal meal.
I'm thinking about spag bol now. I guess I could make enough for three or four nights, then separate it and put it in the freezer.
 
Halal or kosher would be tough. I am just interested in flavor and price and convenience. THe problem is there are only about 5 places that deliver that I like, and I am tired of them all...
 
I have to go to work now. Good bye all.
Go back to discussing porn, if you so wish.
 
Bye!
 
8:54 PM
alright, htiting the road
 
@Yamikuronue Bon Soir, Yami-chun.
 
Bie!
> Amerikaanse techbedrijven vrezen misbruik Europees patentsysteem
American tech companies are complaining with the EU about the new patent court.
At last some good influence from our western corporation-brethren!
 
Did you just approve of something 'merican companies are doing???!!!
 
I did!!
 
looking to sky for pig sighting :-)
 
9:01 PM
I do actually approve of some individual products and research that some big American corporations do, but rarely do I approve of their lobbying and stuff!
 
I won't tell anyone and ruin your rep :-)
 
phew
Thanks, buddy!
 
I am so torn on what to make for dinner. iwould cook but I dont have any thing thawed.
 
You have to admit they're pretty evil, possibly even eviller than big European companies (is that at all possible? Doesn't the scale max out?).
Do you like fennel? I think we've talked about fennel before.
 
@Cerberus I don't admit that, mostly because I think all of the large multi-nationals are essentially equally and maximally evil, no matter their country of origin.
 
9:03 PM
I'm going to make fennel soup, which is very easy to make and surprisingly complex.
 
I have no strong feelings about fennel, but I haven't got any right now.
 
I see.
 
How does your fennel soup go?
 
@SAJ14SAJ It is admittedly a difficult choice between analyses.
@SAJ14SAJ Cut fennel into fairly thin slices, that is, against the thread; put them in a pan with stock, boil until done, blend (or not).
 
That is prretty simple.
@sourd'oh Hi
 
9:05 PM
That's the basis, and it is surprisingly good if that's all you do. But I like to add other stuff.
 
hello @SAJ14SAJ
 
Like cream, a teaspoon of Indian curry paste, an onion, garlic...
Hello there.
 
I would have guessed to sautee it first to develop flavor, but... hmm.
 
You could do that, but it really doesn't make a huge difference.
I used to do that, I think.
 
Bacon?
 
9:07 PM
Haha.
I don't know...
Maybe?
I wouldn't, though.
 
Many things are better with bacon.
 
But I like bacon to remain crisp.
The thing with sautéd fennel or fennel soup is that the taste is a lot more complex and "complete" that you would expect. It's really surprising.
Especially sautéd...perhaps I shall do that.
 
maybe garnish with crisped bacon at the very end?
 
It will become soggy immediately...
 
a float of bacon fat?
(I'm a vegetarian, this is all academic to me)
 
9:10 PM
Haha.
It sounds very academic.
The idea about fennel soup is also that it's healthy...
By which I mean non-unhealthy.
And semi-burned slabs of animal fat brimming with salt are not exactly that.
 
@Cerberus It won't. :-) You will eat it.
@Cerberus But oh so yummy! YAY!
I used the word 'exacerbate' in an answer... muhahahahahahhahahhha.
 
@SAJ14SAJ You can't eat a bowl of soup in 10 seconds.
@SAJ14SAJ That I cannot argue with.
 
@Cerberus I don't think it gets soggy quite instantly. But mostly what you are after is the background of flavor.
 
I have eaten soup with bacon in it, and it wasn't bad, but I still think bacon is much better dry.
 
If you ever come over to Maryland, I shall introduce you to the wonderful world of chowders. Although where I will find a three-head leash to comply with leash-laws is hard to say.
 
9:24 PM
You can keep me in a cage, if you can carry me.
 
I don't know, I imagine you as shepherd sized... that would be pretty heavy.
 
But I don't mean to say I would dislike the soup if you put bacon in it.
@SAJ14SAJ Buwaha then you are in for a big surprise.
 
Well, if you believe I am my icon, a tiger is bigger than any canid in history :-)
 
Would there be any interest in my adding the James Beard book awards to my website at www.awardwinnersonly.com ?
 
@ClayShannon I don't know... what is the purpose of the site?
 
9:36 PM
@SAJ14SAJ But not than any canine in mythology.
 
It shows the winners of various book, movie, and music awards, in descending chronological order (2013 winners first, going back to whenever the awards were first given). Within each year, it shows an image of the book's cover, the category of the award (such as "Best French Cookbook" or whatever), the title of the book, the name of the author, along with buttons that take you to the amazon page for the Kindle, Hardcover, and Paperback versions of the book (where available).
 
@ClayShannon I know this is not what you want to hear, but is that information not already widely available from Google, Wikipedia, and the specific web sites of the organizations offering the awards? If you are doing it for your own enjoyment, go for it. But if you are hoping to attract people to your site, I am not sure what the value add would be.
 
Apparently nothing for you, but I know of no other place (I haven't seen it) where all this info is together in one place. There are places where you see the raw data, perhaps (such as on Wikipedia), and places that may show a year at a time, but the whole "kit and caboodle"? Not that I've seen (elsewhere).
 
Aggregation is not value add, unless it presents something new and interesting. I won't tell you not to do it, but I am not seeing anything especially interesting about doing so.
 
Okay, thanks for your opinion; it definitely influences my decision.
 
9:48 PM
Good luck and have fun.
 
10:02 PM
@Cerberus If you are mythological, I can imagine you at any size I like. I am going for Chihuahua. Hades is probably scaled down, in order to be big enough while fitting underground anyway :-)
 
!!
How dare you!
 
:-)
 
10:36 PM
@Cerberus audeo
 
Perfide!
 
@Cerberus verum dixi
 
Verum, sed malum.
 
@Cerberus Eppur si muove
 
@Cerberus Malus -> malum?
Malus ( or ), apple, is a genus of about 30–55 species of small deciduous trees or shrubs in the family Rosaceae, including the domesticated orchard apple (M. domestica). The other species are generally known as crabapples, crab apples, crabs, or wild apples. The genus is native to the temperate zone of the Northern Hemisphere. Description Apple trees are typically tall at maturity, with a dense, twiggy crown. The leaves are long, alternate, simple, with a serrated margin. The flowers are borne in corymbs, and have five petals, which may be white, pink or red, and are perfect, with...
 
10:43 PM
@SAJ14SAJ Che cosa si muove?
 
I never really realized that apple has this biblical reputation of being evil =)
 
@MartinTurjak The adjective mălus with a short a is "bad", mălum (neuter) "something bad"; mālus is "apple tree", mālum probably is an apple.
 
@Cerberus Your classical education betrays you, puppy!
 
The two are unrelated, so far as I know.
@SAJ14SAJ Come?
 
@Cerberus I like my reasoning better ;-)
 
10:46 PM
@Cerberus Its a very famous phrase among you latin types.
I declare me the indisputable winner.
 
@MartinTurjak Right, right, noted.
@SAJ14SAJ What is? Eppur si muove is indeed famous, I think it was Galileo? It's Italian, as you know.
 
@Cerberus That is just modern latin.
 
alright guys, you can continue playing cats and dogs in any language you want ... it is bed time for me
 
I suppose...
 
what chat room is this for hahahah
 
10:49 PM
good night!
 
@MartinTurjak Gute Nacht!
Or is it Gutenacht?
 
@Cerberus I think I did okay for someone who never studied latin.
 
ahh, sie ist Deutsch?
 
@enderland Actually, he is a greek myth.
 
@enderland Grüß dich! Ja, man spricht hier nur Deutsch.
 
10:50 PM
@Cerberus first one was right
 
OK danke.
 
@Cerberus Warum!?!?!? ;)
 
@Cerberus non che problema (or something like that I guess ... hehe)
 
@enderland Ja weiß ich nett.
 
ok my German is pretty bad
 
10:51 PM
@MartinTurjak Heh...I only know "no problemo", but I think that is either Spanish or wrong...
 
though for living there a summer and taking a semester it's not so bad, I suppose :)
 
Yay!
 
Did you really mean "nett" (nice)? Or did you mean "nicht"?
 
My German sucks too.
 
@Cerberus probably some spanitalian =)
 
10:52 PM
@ClayShannon I meant what I thought was Frankfurter dialect for "nicht".
 
lol @Cerberus when I was there I met a nice older couple and the wife kept telling me to not learn grammar from her husband - he just didn't care about it :)
 
@MartinTurjak Ah, like the Kingdom of Aragon when it held the Sicilies and the south of Italy?
 
@Cerberus or most southern dialects ... I think
 
@enderland Oh, dear. Heaven forbid you learn wrong German grammar!
@MartinTurjak Oh, really? Including Bavaria? I see.
 
@Cerberus LOL. I'm a perfectionist. but I quickly learned to give that up if I was going to ever make a single sentence in GErman
 
10:53 PM
@MartinTurjak I found the Bavarian very hard to understand in Buddenbrooks.
The Plattdütsch or however you spell it was easier.
@enderland Yeah you have to start saying stuff you know if half wrong.
It will improve eventually.
 
especially from english where die/der doesn't matter
"the" is "the" always!
 
the bavarian wikipedia always cracks me up
 
@enderland Yeah I suck at German sexes too.
2
 
@enderland We scoff at gender for inanimate objects!
 
@SAJ14SAJ but.. not going to lie, "man sagt" is a heck of a lot nicer in German than "one says" in english (and all the "gender neutral" phrases)
now I want to go back to Germany
 
10:56 PM
@MartinTurjak Haha that is indeed funny. Still very easy to read the welcome page, though.
It's just German pronounced sloppily and written phonetically.
 
@enderland Oookay.
 
@enderland What stops you?
 
that... is a good question :)
 
@Cerberus There is the Cerby we all know... and know :-)
 
Hmm?
 
10:59 PM
@Cerberus You were... nice... earlier. I don't want to divulge the details. Its good know you are back to yourself.
 
oh yeah @SAJ ... this talking about genders in languages reminds me of your question from before - if hebrew is bi-dialectical for girls
and ... I found that most languages that I speak are ... at least I never speak exactly the same language as the girl does ;-)
 
@MartinTurjak Very few are strongly marked. The only two that I can think of off hand are Valley Girl/Surfer Dude, and Japanese.
@MartinTurjak So that may be a non-linguistic issue :-)
 
@SAJ14SAJ Uhh what the heck are you talking about?
 
:11411515
 
That's a number.
 
11:01 PM
@Cerberus Languages with substantial gender-marking of the speaker.
 
What you were saying about me.
 
For example: Valley girl: How ARE you? (rising intonation on Are, squeal on you) Surfer dude: duuuude.
Valley girl: Like, okay. Surfer dude: Duuude.
 
lol
 
Valley girl: I went to the mall, and bought these rad shoes. Surfer dude: Dude, the waves are bitchin'
Valley girl: like, bye. Surfer dude: dude.
 
@SAJ14SAJ hehehe, that are great examples! ... but seriously ... in hebrew the endings of verbs and nouns differ between genders ... that is what I was talking earlier this afternoon
 
11:05 PM
And one last example to show the expression of complex thoughts and desires: Vally girl: like, I cannot believe Shawna's mother, like died, you know. That really, like, sucks, you know. Surfer dude: Duuuude, bummer.
That concludes today's cross-cultural lesson.
@MartinTurjak Gender of the speaker, not the subject or object of the utterance?
 
so for the record this chatroom is awesome. as a random drive by visitor... :)
 
@enderland We are quite random, I will admit :-)
 
@SAJ14SAJ yep! I think we all have to admit that =)
it is certainly rarely extremely boring =)
 
definitely a fun thing with SE - every site culture is unique
 
We eschew culture (except for Cerberus, who is our high culture snob), in favor of chaos, disorder, and randomness.
 
11:11 PM
this site would be a trap
I love cooking
 
@enderland listen to the power of the cooking site!
 
though my cooking is normally "hmmm this sounds like it'd be good" and it generally is
not as complex as most of you guys I'm sure :)
 
@enderland We have all types, I wouldn't worry.
Also, everyone starts somewhere.
 
I served some leftovers from the freezer tonight ... high cuisine hehe
ok ... I said good night a while ago already
 
@MartinTurjak Of nouns, like how?
"I like turnips" — does the word "turnips" change if you are a girl?
 
11:14 PM
@SAJ14SAJ everyone I know says I'm a good cook though, but, I'm young enough most people I know are impressed if you cook mac and cheese from a box
 
@Cerberus come on ... again ... I said good night for the second time now =)
 
though I guess making bread from scratch is good
 
I just had sausage and frozen commercial potatoes for dinner, since I was too lazy to cook.
 
@MartinTurjak Oops! Good night.
 
@sourd'oh Interesting point from the crumbly question... but will the water in the butter be available to hydrate the flour to any great extent while it is locked in the fat-water emulsion? One might think that it only becomes available when the butter melts at the beginning of the baking period.
@enderland Please ignore the above, and note that I am an ubergeek.
 
11:21 PM
@Cerberus no but for example "I (male) am cooking the dog (male)" would be something in this direction "Ani mevashel et ha kelev". "I (female) am cooking a dog (female)" would be "Ani mevashelet et ha kalba" (the object is not influenced by the gender of the subject ... but you can see what I meant, they all have genders and also "you" would have different forms if I speak to a man or a woman ... and so on)
a lot of fun
=)
good night everyone!
 
@MartinTurjak How dare you!
Cooking dogs grumbles
 
@Cerberus ;-)
 
So it's the verb that changes in a way different from German, right?
Could it be related to our participles?
But I don't want to keep you awake!
Go sleep.
 
@Cerberus right.
@Cerberus we can continue some other time.
It is really interesting. But I am far away from being an expert on it =)
 
Night!
 
11:25 PM
Night!
 
I know next to nothing about the Afro-Asiatic languages...
 
@Cerberus Hebrew is a Semetic language. (sp?)
 
Yes.
So?
 
@Cerberus Where did Afro-Asiatic come from?
 
Semitic is a branch of A-A.
 
11:29 PM
Well, I sure remembered that wrong, then.
 
Happens to the best.
 
Now if my data validates, I will be a happy camper.
 
We have 116,745 identities.
A Euro as a snake?
 
11:33 PM
We have 260 records pairs, of a-only and b-only, but they appear to be 1:1.
I think we have it, I think we are successful.
Faint.
 
Yay!
Faint?
You describe your record pairs as faint? You order me to faint?
 
I faint.
You would not believe how many person-hours went into this endeavor.
 
Congrats!
 
I hope.
Detailed inspection will follow, but I think we have it.
If you come work for my organization, we will track you successfully.
 
...
Scary.
 
11:41 PM
ACtually, I think you would want us to.
 
Oh, yeah?
 
We have more than 280 computer systems. Wouldn't you prefer that we know who owns the accounts on all of them, and whether they are the same person or not? If you were a patient at one of our hospitals, wouldn't you feel better knowing we know who could have accessed your records?
 
Sure.
As long as you're not the NSA, and your system is unhackable...
 
That, among many other things, is my job. And no system is unhackable.
 
As long as you make it really expensive for some organisation to hack it.
Except for me. You can give me the password.
 
11:55 PM
@Cerberus Yes, US healthcare systems spend 4% of their gross revenue on hardening their systems against hackers. That is $5 trillion per year.
 
Umm.
That must be the gross revenue, not the anti-hacking.
And 4 % is a bit...much?
Why so much?
 
@Cerberus I don't know what fantasy world you live in. We have firewalls and such, but we are not the NSA and we are not the DOD.
 
OK.
 
@Cerberus Because everything in that statement was completely made up, pulled out of my #%@$.
 
Ah!
It did seem rather made up.
 
11:59 PM
It should have, wasn't it beyond absurd?
 
Even for gross revenue, it seemed a little bit on the high side...
 

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