Gold Battle KoTH

12:27 AM

updated my gist with the combined controller lgoic

*runs dz's controller, watches SerialKiller go after KA on 590, complete and perfect stalemate for 470 turns (at which point KA knows that it will live until the end and goes back to farming)

But on 567, KA did not assist in a 8000 gold kill

Redwolf Programs

12:51 AM

Barbarian Man, my next bot, seems to be around 7th place

VM24:1485 Kill Assist: 33800.607
VM24:1485 The Accountant: 29105.542
VM24:1485 Kill Stealer: 23851.133
VM24:1485 Unkillable: 12863.069
VM24:1485 Captain Farmer: 11494.11
VM24:1485 Switzerland: 11472.519
VM24:1485 Barbarian Man: 9917.718

(1000 rounds)

Draco18s

heh

Redwolf Programs

VM138:1485 Kill Assist: 36567.733
VM138:1485 The Accountant: 30432.795
VM138:1485 Kill Stealer: 23483.009
VM138:1485 Unkillable: 12830.685
VM138:1485 Captain Farmer: 12580.299
VM138:1485 Switzerland: 11964.486
VM138:1485 Serial Killer: 8566.782
VM138:1485 Mort: 8342.502
VM138:1485 ScaredBot: 7235.642
VM138:1485 Barbarian Man: 6754.731

Although now, he seems to be in 10th place...

I'm updating the controller so that it's more intuitive when you copy/paste the results from the competitions

There's the new controller output. Easy to copy/paste with numbers

1. Kill Assist: 36465.7
2. The Accountant: 29147.4
3. Kill Stealer: 23130.775
4. Unkillable: 13763.46
5. Captain Farmer: 10669.92
6. Switzerland: 10642.97
7. Mort: 8415.555
8. Serial Killer: 7258.13
9. ScavengerBot (V2): 6438.245
10. ScaredBot: 6129.265
11. CampBot: 5495.815
12. Bandit: 4441.59
13. Kill Bot: 3799.59
14. Friendly bot: 3256.85
15. Indestructible: 2693.155

(Example numbers, may not accurately represent bots)

Draco18s

1:12 AM

Beautiful

Redwolf Programs

It drove me crazy having to count by hand to determine what place my bot's in (though that may not be an issue for you)

Redwolf Programs

1:37 AM

My new bot, AntiRepublican, seeks to destroy the middle class of bots

Draco18s

lolwhat

Redwolf Programs

It uses a patent-pending combination of stuns and attacks to crush its competition, which it selects based on the median bot based on a variety of factors

SuperStormer

@Draco18s serialKiller isnt even supposed to be good

im too lazy to actually make it better

im just improving switzerland

Draco18s

@SuperStormer its mostly only so good because no one targets it in the same way

Redwolf Programs

2:25 AM

Results:
1. Kill Assist: 34443.17
2. The Accountant: 29929.99
3. Kill Stealer: 21930.97
4. Captain Farmer: 13725.57
5. Unkillable: 12823.5
6. Serial Killer: 11341.93
7. Switzerland: 10106.07
8. Barbarian Man: 7518.94
9. Mort: 7392.26
10. ScaredBot: 6967.08
11. ScavengerBot (V2): 5655.96
12. CampBot: 4358.78
13. Kill Bot: 3177.88
14. Bandit: 3160.56
15. Friendly bot: 2820.24
16. Rando: 2572.18
17. Indestructible: 2511.79
18. AntiRepublican: 2136.37

Looks like my new bot isn't the best, but it wasn't meant to be

Tripled the score with a three-line tweak

Results:
1. Kill Assist: 36406.72
2. Kill Stealer: 32647.16
3. The Accountant: 32423.49
4. Switzerland: 27720.49
5. Unkillable: 24592.51
6. ScaredBot: 18443.63
7. Captain Farmer: 8274.39
8. Mort: 7896.78
9. AntiRepublican: 7727.34

It seems AntiRepublican causes some changes:

Results:
1. Kill Assist: 37666.99008919723
2. Kill Stealer: 33976.75817641229
3. The Accountant: 32858.501486620415
4. Switzerland: 29760.217046580772
5. Unkillable: 24261.26263627354
6. ScaredBot: 19440.597621407334
7. AntiRepublican: 11317.872150644202
8. Captain Farmer: 8145.860257680873
9. Mort: 7175.94846382557
10. Bandit: 5709.351833498514
11. CampBot: 5169.600594648166
12. Barbarian Man: 4895.300297324084

Draco18s

nice

Redwolf Programs

I actually don't think I'll post AntiRepublican since it hurts my bots' placement, but I'll put the source code here in case anyone wants to build off of it

function antiRepublican(me, others, storage) {
var weak = others.find(el => el.hp < me.levels.attack * 1.25 + Math.max(...others.map(el => el.attack)) * 1.75 + 10 && Math.ceil(el.worth / 2) >= 5);
if (weak)
return attack(weak.uid);
if (!me.levels.heal)
return upgrade("heal");
if (!me.levels.attack)
return upgrade("attack");
if (me.gold >= cost(me.levels.shield))
return upgrade("shield");
if (me.levels.attack == 1 && me.gold >= 15)
return upgrade("attack");
if (me.levels.shield < 2 || me.levels.attack < 2) {

Draco18s

3:37 AM

SEVEN bots went for the kill

Redwolf Programs

1:17 PM

A few bugs:

- In debug level 1, the last bot's information will be shown when a bot is stunned

- In debug level 1 for the first bot, undefined undefined {} will be shown when a bot is stunned

- In debug level 2, there's probably also some bugs

dzaima

2:03 PM

200k games overnight (could've been way more but didn't want to find it still running in the morning):
https://tio.run/##vVjBbhy5Eb3nK3jMXhqsIotFXhZYb@IECIxdRJtrgLY0sScrjZTRyI50CnLOIQcf9iN89Bftjzivit0tzWgMOytgjQHVw2E3H1@9elXt03HzZrz@@DF88t/45lW/eLveXIfwNf1oX76m6H/DxfjPadVv315ud6//yl/hK8Xd6xDYx@Rj9lF8LD6qj9XHZuPVanu62uzW56vf/PzuPz@/@9cTPu9/6bL3X/y090/Y94m3/Mqf/yIe/z6QxcXts8sdphNJkiFLiSngq7aogr/Ucm7RLmpqmm1hiUxsMyTSJFGJ/Uk2lamWwLlECVyFI0SjNrJKCylrSyFpFIxNJYaMKXv4Hq4/rc/PwzfX1@trw8WtpDpIziy2Q2GS6rgkluy48DyDwyxckuOKFLkR8z0uSk0CZW4xUEvKAYtbDYkU6JMwaUg1Vg2ZskjIRbnt4frh9Sp8c3p6ebPZjRvHVTnRUFSz85VJ…

Redwolf Programs

Barbarian Man has been upgraded to kill any bots trying to kill him!

Draco18s

2:40 PM

Made some updates to Kill Assist this morning

had a game result in KA ending up with almost 94,000 gold (!)

2nd place (kill stealer) had ~86,000

Redwolf Programs

Just completely rewrote Barbarian Man's lowHP mode, time to test it

Draco18s

I'm trying to figure out another attack-things-lots bot. Namely, I'm trying to figure out if I can find a way to coordinate with another bot (that is, identify each other and pick the same targets)

dzaima

@Draco18s i don't know whether that'd fall under "Bots should not be designed to target a specific bot, but can be designed to take advantage of common strategies"

Redwolf Programs

One way to do that might be a specific pattern with farm and heal for the first ~10 turns

I'd say that's not targeting a bot, though

Just working with it

Draco18s

"target specific bot" would be "this bot finds Thanos and kills him"

dzaima

2:47 PM

ah okay, let me post a 100-bot army to kill everyone

Redwolf Programs

@dzaima Good luck finding 100 good bots that are unique enough to be considered different

dzaima

@RedwolfPrograms i don't think there's a differenceness requirement

Draco18s

I'm not looking to create a Tim Army either. I'm specifically thinking more like Tweedle-Dee and Tweedle-Dum

Redwolf Programs

I'm pretty sure it's a standard loophole to copy a bot

Draco18s

The problem with creating a coordinating pair is that there's no ability to...well, coordinate

dzaima

2:50 PM

i have actually thought of ideas for pair or triplet bots and would've made one once this is over, but i definitely thought that rule would (and should) cover that

Redwolf Programs

Communication could be done by a pattern of farming or stunning the other bot

dzaima

@Draco18s it's quite easy as every bot gets equal inputs always, worst-case scenario would be to run the other bots code for every current bot and see which matches expected

Redwolf Programs

I'd say teaming is allowed, due to the difficulty of doing so (it makes the challenge more interesting anyway)

dzaima

@RedwolfPrograms i'd say it's definitely not difficult

aka imma start making one now, and we'll see how long it takes me

Redwolf Programs

@dzaima Maybe not difficult, but not an easy winning strategy either

dzaima

2:57 PM

damn you kill assist
https://tio.run/##xVhNbxvJEb3nV/QxuQy6qrurui8B1kmcBQJjF9HmGmBMcW3GFKXww450CnLOIQcf9kfkmF@0f8R5VT0kRYoCBPiwAlUY9Qyn37x69apGs3H1cdx8@RKe@xk/vkP8tFhtwm/pA37jh3Az/mM69etPt@vt@7/yb/Anxe37ENhj8pg9Fo/iUT1Wj83i3Xw9m6@2i@X8Vz9//vfPn//5FZ//vvjsS45feNuvufgX@fwHRP/rkN4/LZbL8M1ms9hssZyUtQ6ZyI5zQ2waLYqtECnnYgfCklKVmuwWtqAt5cBSUgzJzoVUKOMYX0BsNXPI3JhCllpLKLkmu9EJlP5zc//q1qFIbWlobLdPDqipWizJNqyVKDoUqjG1HOsEhYlLDFxVK1SoQgBUKwOQUg6pppyhyyYAlCvFUBI3OoHyw/t5@GY2u92ttuPKoSSRMmgS308cinND2VYiIPmpHDlVPHfZs0IRmzG1KgAEyCFRLCWklA2WaOeGWsipxoZCoZLPWbn6tNg@zNfLcXVtt2xNy5Aa2yWFHUpFFPIVjcLGSgArVamSDO…

Draco18s

tee hee

I'm also wondering if I could train a neural net to play this game

but I am not that familiar with writing such things

dzaima

@Draco18s you probably could, but pretty sure it'd develop strategies to get around specific bots

Draco18s

its a concern, for sure

oooh. new bot idea isn't terribad.
`8. NewBot: 12095.091`

Redwolf Programs

3:16 PM

Do you guys prefer team-based or individual KoTHs?

Draco18s

I never participated in any [multiple users] team KOTH, not by choice

so I have no opinion

dzaima

3:30 PM

"difficult"
https://tio.run/##ZZLLbtQwFIb3PIWXsDnyPXZ2HWBaCVVFDDyAJ3GLS@IExylKXn5wMgOKZ6Rk4/9cv/NXxr@Z4XQKo783rX1PMMYf3r24IcLrUAqG2mnXRVoipogQgKnYit9/WnRXVd3oo/GxRIRxokBKuQ06/HFxtqExvk4RWEkNQuURlQm2Tn1KpJTQwLbiR9P2Z0kIDkKrrThU5s36FxvOEZxg4LTYRvzwv1zTmGNjSyQVKwCLTP@SVHQ3DOklBTBKgAm6DTiakD5n/KPxJeJcYSCCbCP2wVlfNxM6LkNwmsaUNFuwMn3cm9DasOg4IdIZx68mphLxEIOJdnlf12ESS2BcZ6hsGqVZp16KMXEbskug3ZJOOIWCZrweu7AqWAPnGYfR19NCae1MdcGBFBmH@9GE2i0MqGYapLo2wlPfp@qjX0lSJdU1BedrO8QwVtGt56AKY9Dq9hznGWhBQOekv6XVuiQRXoDk5ManJBlMCgL01qaff4@mcfMCjQgmARcZtOU6D9ZceqvVadc1HkzzvPwlEgkAy320d/O8G@c5HVhRoFjnycZ3w1qaCwxY8vw…

40 minutes, i'm disappointed in myself

it also attacks itself sometimes even though it's identified the other bot

Alion

@RedwolfPrograms I'm in the same situation as Draco.

dzaima

^ too

Redwolf Programs

@dzaima Well, I guess I underestimated teaming.

dzaima

stunning is very powerful if used correctly

B0RDERS

@RedwolfPrograms is the auto-updating controller broken?

Redwolf Programs

3:35 PM

@B0RDERS Oh, the link changed to redwolfprograms.com/koth

There's only one unified controller now

Alion

Depending on the teaming format (and the gameplay of course), I could see a team-based KotH being fun.

Redwolf Programs

I once tried to make one, but the rules were pretty complex and nobody really participated. It got deleted. Since then, I've realized simpler KoTHs are typically more popular

I was approaching them from a game designer's perspective, rather than a programming challenge perspective

Alion

I think the key to a successful KotH isn't its simplicity, but rather its barrier to entry.

Redwolf Programs

That's mostly what I mean when I say simplicity, though a shorter documentation would make it seem like it takes less effort to participate since you don;t have to deal with so many rules/read so much

Alion

And of course its "skill ceiling".

Redwolf Programs

3:40 PM

What's that?

Alion

How far bots can be taken by dedicated enough participants.

Draco18s

Formic Functions had both a high skill ceiling and a low barrier to entry

Redwolf Programs

Oh, makes sense. I think that's almost been reached here, since most bots are now just one-upping each other with tiny improvements in order to get in first place (though the teaming strategy might add some more interesting developments)

Draco18s

yeah

Alion

In a sense FF not only had both of those, but also a vibrant middle-ground, and an established following from its eternal stay in the sandbox.

B0RDERS

3:43 PM

@RedwolfPrograms, what JS console do you use?

Redwolf Programs

I use the Chrome developer tools to run the controller

Draco18s

@Alion oh definitely

right up until the Green Goo happened

Redwolf Programs

What was the green goo?

Alion

Green Goo is still getting its behind whooped by SlM.

@RedwolfPrograms My entry, which consistently consumed the entire map.

Well, as long as SlM wasn't around.

B0RDERS

@RedwolfPrograms, can you edit code easily on chrome developer tools? it seems like you have to re-paste the entire function

Draco18s

3:47 PM

@B0RDERS more or less, that

Redwolf Programs

I copy and paste the controller into the console, then copy any bots I'm testing into it, and then enter them into botData with botData.push()

I'll add a few features soon to make that easier, using the url to store parameters

dzaima

@B0RDERS my controller reloads a bot.js file if downloaded & run locally

B0RDERS

i see. seems a lot more simple to use vs or a REPL, but they are all so much slower than chrome dev tools

Draco18s

TeacherBot posted. It bullies the bullies.

Redwolf Programs

I'm going to add a few features, like injecting the controller into JS

B0RDERS

3:50 PM

@dzaima, is your controller public?

Draco18s

you meant his one? dzaima.github.io/goldBattle

dzaima

@B0RDERS github.com/dzaima/goldBattle / dzaima.github.io/goldBattle

3

B0RDERS

thanks

Draco18s

its starred, but there's so many starred messages from Redwolf that it got burried

and the "show more" doesn't scroll

Redwolf Programs

I've tried unstarring them, but it doesn't work

Draco18s

3:52 PM

oof

dzaima

was it only mods that could clear stars?

Redwolf Programs

I don;t know, they say they're unpinned when I click the menu, but they're still there. I can click the stars by them, but then they say "you can;t star your own messages"

Draco18s

anyone else also starred those messages?

Redwolf Programs

Maybe

My controller now loads the controller as JavaScript too, so you can just type runGame(?rounds, ?log) in the console of the AutoKoTH page to run a game with the latest controller

Redwolf Programs

4:10 PM

There are now two functions, loadBot and queryBot, for debugging and testing

Draco18s

nice

Redwolf Programs

The loadBot function should be really useful

And I guess queryBot might be handy for checking UIDs

Draco18s

@dzaima Might want to update the widget to dump out a gist with the updated controller code

Redwolf Programs

XD I just ran loadBot("ConcatBot", 1, Array.prototype.concat); runGame();

[1] Broken:
Self: {"uid":53,"hp":100,"gold":25,"shield":0,"levels":{"heal":0,"attack":0,"shield":0,"farm":0}}
Others: [{"uid":64,"hp":100,"worth":0,"attack":0},{"uid":89,"hp":100,"worth":0,"attack":0},{"uid":77,"hp":100,"worth":0,"attack":0},{"uid":97,"hp":100,"worth":0,"attack":0},{"uid":46,"hp":100,"worth":0,"attack":0},{"uid":70,"hp":100,"worth":0,"attack":0},{"uid":35,"hp":100,"worth":0,"attack":0},{"uid":94,"hp":100,"worth":0,"attack":0},{"uid":66,"hp":100,"worth":0,"attack":0},{"uid":11,"hp":100,"worth":0,"attack":0},{"uid":98,"hp":100,"worth":0,"attack":0},{"uid":32,"hp":100,"worth":…

dzaima

@Draco18s what's to update about it?

Draco18s

4:17 PM

uh, well at the moment your controller is flat broken, it only loads the two test bots :P (it was fine a minute ago)

dzaima

@Draco18s yeah, i didn't test with custom bot disabled, and forgot to push the fix i made quickly :p

Draco18s

@dzaima but after that, the current official controller takes 2 parameters to runGame

oh and leave the //Copy and paste bot functions here: comment at the very top

dzaima

and what's the issue with that being the case?

Draco18s

right now it shows up after the botData array

@dzaima the gist-dump lacks the logging updates

dzaima

@Draco18s it should just copy the gist 1-to-1 (except the botData array)

Redwolf Programs

4:22 PM

What does @dzaima's widget do?

Draco18s

I was going to double-check what the current dump was, but as the page is broken right now... :P

dzaima

@Draco18s how is the page broken now?

B0RDERS

If I published a pair of bots that targeted the winning bot, one stunning and one attacking, would that be cheating?

dzaima

@B0RDERS that's exactly what my pair of bots i was playing around with was doing

Draco18s

Just what I said earlier, it doesn't load any bots

dzaima

4:24 PM

@Draco18s i pushed a fix for that

blame cache

Redwolf Programs

@B0RDERS It's technically not, but it would definitely be a little OP

dzaima

@RedwolfPrograms *is

Draco18s

ah there it goes should I blame caching?

B0RDERS

i dont think either bot would win. it would just change the leaderboard a lot

dzaima

@B0RDERS again, my pair of bots did win, and by 3x

Redwolf Programs

4:25 PM

I think if someone posted a bot like that, other people would post more to stop them

They'd mess things up for a little while, but I expect it would balance out

Draco18s

ok, just did a gist dump, we're good :)

B0RDERS

@dzaima, are you going to post yours or should I start working on mine?

Redwolf Programs

Does anyone here use my AutoKoTH program?

dzaima

@B0RDERS I've still got a lot i want to add to it

Draco18s

@RedwolfPrograms haven't had a chance to poke at it. Cognitive inertia

B0RDERS

4:27 PM

will the autoKoTH detect the bots if I post them in one answer, or should I put them in separate answers?

Redwolf Programs

All bots should be in separate answers

B0RDERS

thnks

Redwolf Programs

@Draco18s Not really much to poke at; you just go to the site, open the console, and you can immediately run games or load bots

It also writes the source code to the page, but you don't need to copy/paste it since it's already loaded as Javascript

Draco18s

I mean that I end up alt-tabbing to notepad++ instead of copying a controller from somewhere :P

Redwolf Programs

AutoKoTH isn't a copy/paste controller, it's just a program on my site's backend that gets an updated copy of the official controller and combines it with updated copies of the bots. You can then either copy that to somewhere else, or use the console on the page as the controller.

Draco18s

4:35 PM

I am aware. that's why I referred to it as cognitive inertia

Redwolf Programs

Oh yeah.

dzaima

wanted to add a non-very-basic&stupid other finding mechanism, but currently it's success rate is 1896/2000, so idk if it's worth it

Redwolf Programs

4:58 PM

Night2's new bot seems pretty good:

1. Kill Assist: 46194.27
2. The Accountant: 37744.4875
3. Switzerland: 30607.6375
4. Kill Stealer: 28079.95
5. The Bot That Farms, Attacks, Shields, And Even Heals But Never Stuns: 25755.34

(400 rounds)

Redwolf Programs

5:15 PM

I'm about to test 729 sets of weighted values for a bot, to determine the best way of determining which bots to target

dzaima

5:37 PM

poor bot 1
https://tio.run/##vVjLblvJEd3nK3qZbBpd1e9NgHESZ4DAmEE02Qa4pjg2Y4pSKMqOtQqyziILL/IRWeaL5kecc6ovSYmiEQEGhqBaV/fVp6vOOVWtxbR5P91@/uy@9Jnev8H4YbW5db@Wd/gJ75y7mv42Lv3yw/V29/bP@ivnJOzeOuUQObhkY7ax2FhtbDa6zl83y@1iudmt1stf/PTpnz99@vtXfP/z7KvPOX7ma7/m5p/5@y@E@B@Pc3v18cX1TnE6txazb7nhuCTB2KXyuBaMUqW0yNti1hJLj8qneUVFnaacXakSOEhytaZcXUs5BNclNnG9xlJBkJwrX3ME8sPbpftmsbi@2@ymzQ6n8b5SfSsEgkcJxB4pKdmZLsI/XcsqJbeefDMgOXPi1KvrmjhV0@REexInpcToVJtkF4EAD6ReWnsEBJ@LD6vd/XK7njaXnKqlIADCl7s8gAQCMVBYXendLuVWQqit@2JAElbpCq66Vjh56AFwYk4NQHpAtDSUBolUDdRIbeEUyDE1TISk1KMvwWZzBkGKjYwIXqRB7CBlhL@HNgNxWKw7Dshh7A7h…

Redwolf Programs

Does Bot 2 attack and Bot 1 stun?

dzaima

@RedwolfPrograms yep

Redwolf Programs

I'm trying to come up with good ways to counter them now...

I guess the skill ceiling hasn't been reached yet

I think I'll name my anti-team bot "Tweedledoom"

dzaima

@RedwolfPrograms it's been pretty much reached for single-player bots, but i'd guess it'll never be reached for multi as you can always add in another bot

Redwolf Programs

But I expect single bots could take out multi-bot groups if they can target the right one

(Not by targeting the bot, but by hoping they hit the right one)

dzaima

5:43 PM

@RedwolfPrograms which is hard, as there's no real way to tell which bot is doing what

and if i had 2 attacking bots, your one just couldn't do anything at all

Redwolf Programs

The attacker bot is usually in first place. I don't know your heal/shield/farm configuration yet, but it shouldn't be to invulnerable to attacks

And two attacking bots could be weakened to one, which most bots can already counter fairly well

dzaima

@RedwolfPrograms currently it most definitely is not, but for a good while KS or any other killer bot could be in 1st place

@RedwolfPrograms i meant that as 2 attacking and 1 stunning bot

Redwolf Programs

Oh, though stunning the stunner would allow the bot to defend itself at least slightly

My Barbarian bot often ends up with over 15 levels of shield, and other top bots would likely be able to counter even multiple attackers

Unless, of course, the attackers spend a lot of time preparing

But then, they're vulnerable during farming and upgrading

dzaima

@RedwolfPrograms half the bots are dead by t==100

Redwolf Programs

And half the bots aren't serious competitors

Or at least aren't up-to-date with strategies

dzaima

5:47 PM

@RedwolfPrograms ok, the top half with the most worth gained

Redwolf Programs

In most cases, they'll be attacked by 4 or 5 bots like Serial Killer

That's why my Captain Farmer bot goes into low HP mode at 80

Also, two attacking bots would have to be sufficiently different

I'm going to add a section for teaming rules

dzaima

another stat: from 1000 games, in 570 all bots except mine died at some point. the average time until everyone else was dead is 330 turns

Redwolf Programs

And I'd guess that there were an average of 4-5 bots attacking each bot that died from the moment it was below 80 HP

Redwolf Programs

6:04 PM

Ah, nothing like 58KB of raw data

Draco18s

6:34 PM

lol

Redwolf Programs

And it turns out it's all useless, my bot just sucks.

Draco18s

double-lol

Redwolf Programs

As they say in the field,

OOF

Draco18s

yes, whereas I just ran a 1000 round game...and there's a script error

dzaima

should probably make a thing that calculates which bot started attacking mine to know what things i should defend against

and in general, more things that look at statistics outside of just a single game

Redwolf Programs

6:36 PM

Oh, like a log of when your bot is attacked, and by who?

dzaima

@RedwolfPrograms in a format where i can analyze that over 1-10k rounds

Redwolf Programs

I'll do the single-turn thing first, and then start on some multi-round stats

dzaima

and doesn't report bots which just hit mine once at a random point, and also ones that joined in late to the kill party

Redwolf Programs

Got it

dzaima

changed to which to attack metric from max worth to max attack, and wow
https://tio.run/##xVg9bxzJEc39Kzq0k0FXV1V/JAZOtuUDDOEO5jk1MCL3pLWWS3q5lCxGhmMHDhTcj3DoX3R/RH5V3ftFrgACCo5Y1g5ne7bfvHr1qoaX8/r9fPf5c/jSz/z@DeKH5fou/Jbe4Te@C@F6/kf/6Ncfbjbbt39Nv8GfFLdvQ0ge2aN4VI/ZY/EYan9r9na72Fwu1tvlavGrnz/9@@dP//yK13@f/elzjp/5tV@z@Bd8/Qd0/@s019cfX9xsE07XyFGnmtWOqSG2LBajfZoilRZxUApVilprtatxgmIqBUlWTaG0JjFU5ZpDbdokNK6UQ6tSC8QirBSIkjLhyhMwf1quVuGbu7vl3da2K6I0SWVb4vu26pHtDGnjlP2j1pQK1zRxB0OaWyCNEfvgjigkYgBI2LmGVLWkwEy1Qa61AEwQ3JaegPnh7SJ8c3l5c7/ezmsHk1LhKadiS3zfViwWNWYocSxGVyiSciyqZUoOJuRSFMKvpeKmqWkgSS0FKpk…

Draco18s

6:46 PM

dang

Alion

7:10 PM

@dzaima Are you gonna submit that?

Oh, it's the pair of bots.

Redwolf Programs

7:22 PM

Debugging tip:

Setting a bot's return value to [null, "info"] will cause its move to be No Action [info].

Or, setting it to [null, "info", {a: 5, b: 6}] will be No Action [info: {"a":5,"b":6}]

Just useful if you need to see the contents of a variable or something, but don't want to console.log it

The second element can be any string

Not just "info"

The first element being falsy will trigger the No Action output, and is what is used for tracking stunned bots, unknown upgrades, and nonexistent attacks/stuns

dzaima

as a side-note to that, with the exception of attack & stun, a .concat("something") to a return value makes it show up in my controllers table. i could make that an actual feature though, maybe by setting a specific thing in the storage?

Redwolf Programs

7:38 PM

The new bot, Persistent Blue Shell, might be an issue

Actually, never mind. It seems to die out quick enough that it's not an issue

dzaima

looking at that bots code, i now realize my "attacked" detector is wrong an completely excludes shields :|

Redwolf Programs

Also, I've added the "who attacked who" thing to the controller, I'll do the game-wide stats soon

Draco18s

@dzaima oh ya, I fixed it in KA yesterdayish

codegolf.stackexchange.com/revisions/189217/17

Redwolf Programs

I'm going to add a debug level 3, which will take a JSON formatted set of instructions to create a custom output

Or just revamp the entire logging system, one or the other

Maybe both

What do y'all think?

dzaima

new bot hurt a bit, but luckily it sucks at staying alive
https://tio.run/##vVhNbxvJEb3nV/QxuQy6qrv64xJglcRZIDDWiDbXAGNq1mJMUQpJ2ZFOQc455ODD/ogc84v2jzivqpscWqQSAQaWkNuD4Wj6zav3XtVoMa4/jNvPn91zn/HDO/3v43K9db@m9/jn3zt3M/6tfffLj7eb3fWf@VfOkd9dO9bFBVujrWJrsjXbWmytut5Nm8W03i1X0y9@@vTPnz79/et@/v3ib19y/MLbfs3FP/PPv8DyP54U@Obh4nbHOB9LrH5IRXAs4rEWO852TBJDJRyEnFIouVDQ39b7pZhdDlEcheirY6qJHa4JgtOZyeXCsbgSE0VX2bPe7wjJ99eT@2axuL1f78b1DueZYw1DlKTX1Iq1Rl2zb2dKyXZQiCPuRmFgQxJrwmYpFWiRsBdxKVhT5uQY@wqEGXE@FK7ZxVxD@hIJPpcfl7vHabMa11f61DUVHiIrP8TBkBg/pTQAgaJRkBOQCNNAhiRQTk6kCDQfBegqCAIeBj@UJAXHxefgQpaaXJT6lBN8/…

Draco18s

8:08 PM

it feels really weird to watch KA miss out on a 20k+ worth kill (the prediction is that the low-hp bot won't be dying), try and put in some additional logic to jump on things early if they're worth a lot, only to find that...bot performance goes down

dzaima

@Draco18s the stun-to-attack ratio is very important

that's that 1.5→2→1.5 thing i talked about before

Draco18s

summarize for me, I'm not sure I was following

Redwolf Programs

Actually, logging is fine how it is

dzaima

@Draco18s I was tweaking the point at which KS decides to switch from stunning a possible attacker to attacking the bot about to die, that number being the multiplier to the max attack value used in equations for that

Draco18s

ah, gotcha

Redwolf Programs

8:12 PM

My bots keep getting stunned the turn after a bot dies, that could be an issue with KA or KS

Though it may have already been fixed

Draco18s

both of us are doing that same sort of logic, yes. I've used different math than you, but the idea is the same

But the logic I'm working on now takes place after that

if no attack and no stun are getting thrown out, check to see if its worth attacking anyway just because the target is worth SO much (we'd rather make the extra attack and have it wasted than not attack and miss a kill)

dzaima

@RedwolfPrograms the dying turn, meaning that you don't get to attack the dying bot at all, or after the bot's dead and you could've easily attacked?

Redwolf Programs

Both the dying turn and the one after (probably KS for one and KA for the other)

dzaima

@RedwolfPrograms you sure? to me it seemed rare that my KS stunned at the turn it should attack & kill

(or maybe that's about my new KS not old, idk)

Redwolf Programs

It could have easily been fixed already (maybe accidentally), but I'll go check and see if it still happens

Draco18s

8:17 PM

this is more what I'm looking at trying to fix

notice that Kill Steal and another bot attacked, but Kill Assist didn't (and no stuns were thrown about)

debugging that exact turn shows that KA calculated the 85 hp bot taking the best attack and surviving with 21 hp

too high to make an attack (don't remember where the stun-someone math got whacked out to)

so Kill Assist ended up doing a non-action (shield in this case, but because turn() % 10 == 9, otherwise it would have farmed)

Redwolf Programs

Just saw a hilarious game where bullybot targeted justfarm, so justfarm died 176 turns into the game

Took me a lot of thinking to figure out how he survived that long

Draco18s

it happens

oh @dzaima your controller vomits errors to the console when you mouse over cells.

dzaima

@Draco18s doesn't for me, both in github and local

Draco18s

huh, maybe I accidentally broke something

dzaima

8:32 PM

but i'm rewriting the hover logic right now, as the table's getting too wide to see the last couple column hovers

still laggy as all hell though

Draco18s

oh, also, can you make the header row sticky so it's locked at the top of the page?

dzaima

@Draco18s i have no idea how to

oh, having the devtools open is what makes hovering so incredibly laggy

SuperStormer

@RedwolfPrograms your auto-updating controller returns this at the end
if(Math.random() < 0.5){
return attack(others[0].uid);
}
else{
…

it just ends halfway through the bots

and has a "..." at the end

Draco18s

step 1: make the table itself have position:relative;top:150px

step 2: give the first tr have position: fixed; top: 0px; background-color: black; padding-right: 20px;

step 3: fix the header td widths somehow

dzaima

@Draco18s Somehow™

Draco18s

8:46 PM

Figured it out. td.rotate > div has a width property of 30, make it 34

(I was having trouble because that value was driving things)

maybe 33 or something in between. whatever looks right

Re: why can't I make this work
Results:
1. The Accountant: 38594.066
2. Kill Assist: 30555.455
Score without the new logic? 46,000

dzaima

@Draco18s that's how this KotH seems to work.. change anything, and your score gets a random ±3000

Draco18s

yep

SuperStormer

can you stun yourself?

@RedwolfPrograms

Draco18s

no

actually. you might be able to

@dzaima keeping in mind that I set the threshold for this at "the bot I'm thinking of attacking has to be worth MINIMUM 20000 gold"

SuperStormer

this is for IDing teammates

dzaima

8:52 PM

@SuperStormer how'd that help with that

SuperStormer

one bot stuns themselves;the other watches for another bot that is stunned turn 1, but not turn 2

bullybot stuns all the time

on turn 3, they switch stunning and watching

dzaima

@SuperStormer AFAIK you can't test if a bot is stunned or not

SuperStormer

oh right

dzaima

9:14 PM

@Draco18s i seem to have made it work somewhat, but i doubt that'll stand

Draco18s

oof, yeah, it doesn't work with horizontal scrolling

otherwise its pretty ok

This was a sad game:

runGame(1,false)
VM211:1711 Results:
  1. Kill Assist: 22047
  2. Switzerland: 21988
  3. The Accountant: 21953
  4. Unkillable: 10906
  5. ScaredBot: 8816
  6. Mort: 8186
  7. barbarianMan: 8087
  8. Kill Stealer: 7610

Or this game, where Undyable somehow won

runGame(1,false)
VM282:1708 Results:
  1. undyableBot: 41281
  2. CampBot: 40498
  3. Friendly bot: 34352
  4. Switzerland: 33215
  5. Kill Assist: 33021

dzaima

9:52 PM

woo github pages broke

Draco18s

lol

dzaima

horizontal is what i wanted to show

when github pages come back, that should be available here

SuperStormer

...
[997] teambot-attack:
   Self: {"uid":29,"hp":98,"gold":5,"shield":529,"levels":{"heal":0,"attack":0,"shield":2,"farm":0}}
   ...
[998] teambot-attack:
   Self: {"uid":74,"hp":98,"gold":5,"shield":498.75,"levels":{"heal":0,"attack":2,"shield":0,"farm":0}}
...

how did it switch uids

dzaima

@dzaima huh, other things are fine

SuperStormer

did u just ping yourself

dzaima

9:58 PM

@SuperStormer yeah. 's simple - get permalink to message (middle click on arrow works), copy number of url, :number, done

and yes i did get a ping notification from myself

SuperStormer

i see

dzaima

10:09 PM

@dzaima pushed to that and it broke too yay

SuperStormer

https://repl.it/@SuperStormer/Gold-Battle-KotH-Blank-v2
simple wrapper around Redwolf's auto-updating controller
allows you to:
- not need to check if it was updated
- test bots easier
- *run tests in the background*

Draco18s

@dzaima looks good

dzaima

@dzaima works now, environments till 500

SuperStormer

10:57 PM

@RedwolfPrograms can you add a debug mode with only the move,nothing else?

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