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12:01 AM
@XanderHenderson And do you now?
May 15, 2022 at 1:27, by Robusto
I wonder if any of you youngsters know who Kibo is/was.
 
I had to look it up; apparently the standard form is kiboze.
 
Speak of the Devil and he shall appear.
 
@tchrist nope.
 
I'm sure your SE chat-search fu is up to discovering when that of which I speak, and whom, happened in this very room of ourn.
 
12:32 AM
I'm on mobile. Makes life hard.
 
May 15, 2022 at 12:25, by Robusto
James Parry (born July 13, 1967), commonly known by his nickname and username Kibo , is a Usenetter known for his sense of humor, various surrealist net pranks, an absurdly long signature, and a machine-assisted knack for "kibozing": joining any thread in which "kibo" was mentioned. His exploits have earned him a multitude of enthusiasts, who celebrate him as the head deity of the parody religion "Kibology", centered on the humor newsgroup alt.religion.kibology. == Background == James Parry grew up and lived in Scotia, New York. He showed early computing skills, such as being able to open up...
"To search all of the intercreation for mentions of oneself".
> 2. James Parry <[email protected]>, a Usenetter infamous for various surrealist net.pranks and an uncanny, machine-assisted knack for joining any thread in which his nom de guerre is mentioned. He has a website at kibo.com.
@XanderHenderson Does.
 
12:51 AM
@XanderHenderson here and here. For example, this proving once again the old Galilean refrain che “Eppur si truolla”perché quando sei a Roma fai come i Romani.
 
1:05 AM
Why are kinematics and cinematics two different things?
 
Does it work in other chat rooms?
(the summoning, I mean)
Like, in math?
 
Sadly, I believe it does.
 
@XanderHenderson Ubiquity.
Matching on his favorite word is remarkably revealing.
 
But not by user number.
The detection script is broken.
 
1:09 AM
Odd, I got "4517 messages found", of which this was the earliest.
Oh, I didn't use the number that time.
Yes, I did.
The GUI deceives us, as its nature demands.
 
1:23 AM
I think I figured out how he does it. At the bottom right of that page, there's a "feed" button that gives you an Atom feed of things matching the search; presumably if you have any sort of RSS/Atom reader you can get notifications for arbitrary search term.
*for any arbitrary search term.
Perhaps I should set up an alert for "raccoon," in case anyone in any chat room dares to speak of our species in an undignified manner.
 
2:04 AM
Really, ya think so, eh? :)
> Textures are an issue for many American cooks; as Fuchsia Dunlop stresses when writing about Chinese food, Western palates typically reject textures that are popular in Chinese dishes. (Dunlop calls out “sliminess” and “slitheriness.”)
> It’s hard to be intimidated by celeriac — or rutabaga, radicchio, eggplant, or okra — when it’s wiggling googly eyes at you.
I will always loathe okra for its slime.
Romanesco broccoli (also known as broccolo romanesco, romanesque cauliflower, or simply romanesco) is in fact a cultivar of the cauliflower (Brassica oleracea var. botrytis), not a broccoli (Brassica oleracea var. italica). It is an edible flower bud of the species Brassica oleracea, which also includes regular broccoli and cauliflower. It is chartreuse in color and has a striking form that naturally approximates a fractal. Romanesco has a nutty flavor and a firmer texture than white cauliflower or broccoli when cooked. == Description == Romanesco superficially resembles a cauliflower, but it...
> The inflorescence (the bud) is self-similar in character, with the branched meristems making up a logarithmic spiral, giving a form approximating a natural fractal; each bud is composed of a series of smaller buds, all arranged in yet another logarithmic spiral. ... The number of spirals on the head of Romanesco broccoli is a Fibonacci number.
 
I put on the Les Miserables audiobook before falling asleep, and when I woke up it was exactly on the part which I had hoped not to woke up to - where the three guys vamoose in a diligence coach.
Misunderstood vegetables..
> By 1836 the scheduled coach left London at 19:30, travelled through the night (without lights) and arrived in Liverpool at 16:50 the next day, a distance of about 220 miles (350 km), doubling the overall average speed to about 10 miles per hour (16 km/h), including stops to change horses.
Without lights.. quite a feat
 
2:23 AM
Stage coach, not post riders?
Very tiring for the horses.
Which is why you have to recycle them so often.
Sure was a big gap in time between Archimedes and the next ones discovered.
Call it a couple of millennia. What were people doing nothing for all that time for? :)
 
Chatting in the ELL chatroom, you can scroll back and read
 
There's an ELL chatroom again?
 
@tchrist Fibonacci numbers show up all over the place in nature. Vi Hart did good thingy on why several years ago.
 

 Language Overflow

This is the main chat room for ell.stackexchange.com. Welcome!
 
It is kind of to be expected.
 
2:28 AM
@XanderHenderson Yes.
But casual people always think they're a different kind.
 
Filthy casuals.
 
> It is sometimes erroneously stated that spiral galaxies and nautilus shells get wider in the pattern of a golden spiral, and hence are related to both φ and the Fibonacci series.[3] In truth, many mollusk shells including nautilus shells exhibit logarithmic spiral growth, but at a variety of angles usually distinctly different from that of the golden spiral.
> Phyllotaxis, the pattern of plant growth, is in some case connected with the golden ratio because it involves successive leaves or petals being separated by the golden angle. Although this can sometimes be associated with spiral forms, such as in sunflower seed heads,[8] these are more closely related to Fermat spirals than logarithmic spirals.
The φbonacci spiral.
 
@tchrist Capital Phi.
 
The Φbonacci spiral.
 
$\Phi$bonacci.
 
2:33 AM
Our chat isn't so clever.
 
Do you say fee or fie?
 
The former.
 
Do you say pee or pie?
 
Well, in math. It Greek fraternities, they make you say the other one.
@XanderHenderson Yeah, I know.
 
2:35 AM
Oh when I recite the entire Greek alphabet, my mouth does something else!
fai, kai, sigh
 
eye-OH-tah or YO-tah?
 
1
The UK has different Greek letters. Beeter.
ξ is UK /zaɪ/ but US /ksaɪ/.
 
Wow... I was taught to say ksee
 
I'm fully capable of calling χ a /xi/ not a /kaj/ but it will get me in trouble over dinner conversations.
 
And yes, I know that the Brits do Greek different. "Beeta" is the one that threw me the most when I was there.
 
2:41 AM
I still only ever say o-MAY-ga and o-MY-cron.
The yoopsalot thing confuses the heck out of me.
 
Hrm... I think I am with you on the first, but the second is more AW-mih-chron.
 
And I only ever say /nu/ not /nju/. Otherwise it would sound like my new.
 
@tchrist so many nus in my thesis...
nyew.
But definitely not ni!
 
@XanderHenderson Are you being clever?
 
@tchrist I hope not.
But there were a bunch of nus.
 
2:44 AM
> nous: 2. colloquial (chiefly British). Common sense, practical intelligence, ‘gumption’.
 
No. There was a measure, and a p-adic valuation. And something else, too.
 
> nous: 1. Ancient Greek Philosophy. Mind, intellect; intelligence; intuitive apprehension.
 
I ended up finding alternative notation.
 
Good.
nous is a homophone of noose.
 
Nu ended up only being used for the valuation.
Nu sub pee.
Where pee is your favorite prime.
 
2:47 AM
> 1787 O aid, as lofty Homer says, my nous, To sing sublime the Monarch and the Louse! — ‘P. Pindar’, Lousiad: Canto II 6 in Lousiad: Canto I (ed. 4)
 
I miss having access to an academic library. Like, I never used to think about looking shit up in the OED. :/
Just took it for granted.
:'(
 
Yes, I know. I used to work for the university too, and greatly missed it when I left.
> From Middle English lous, lows, lowse, from Old English lūs, from Proto-West Germanic *lūs, from Proto-Germanic *lūs, from Proto-Indo-European *lewH-.

See also West Frisian lûs, Dutch luis, German Low German Luus, German Laus; also Welsh llau (“lice”), Tocharian B luwo, maybe Sanskrit यूका (yūkā).
> A Common Germanic feminine consonant stem: Old English lús = Middle Low German, Middle Dutch lûs (Dutch luis), Old High German, Middle High German lûs (modern German laus), Old Norse lús (Danish, Swedish lus).
 
Ugh. Tired. Bed. -_-
SLEEPY TIME!
 
time
 
G'
night.
 
2:52 AM
darkly
Aye, the moon is too bright!
 
3:17 AM
@tchrist Here too.
 
3:35 AM
Here, I can't see the moon now
It's 08:35, and I've been sitting doing nothing and drinking coffee for the past 01 hr 30 min
Now I'm on my 4th cup
My brain is not thinking
I felt despondent and vulnerable, but now after an hour of coffee drinking I got better, and I'll go for a jog. During which I will feel despondent again, but running must be generally good for the psyche
Somewhy starting from 3rd km I get ruminative thoughts and despondency
But sometimes not.
Animal of the day: genet; It came around on my Anki app, and will repeat next time in 5.4 months
A genet (pronounced or ) is a member of the genus Genetta, which consists of 17 species of small African carnivorans. The common genet is the only genet present in Europe and occurs in the Iberian Peninsula, Italy and France. Genet fossils from the Late Miocene and later have been found at sites in Ethiopia, Kenya and Morocco. == Classification == Genetta was named and described by Frédéric Cuvier in 1816. The number of species in the genus is controversial. The following were proposed as valid in 2005: === Extinct species === †Genetta nyakitongwer – Early Pleistocene of Kenya †Genetta...
 
4:17 AM
Etymology of the day: scrimshaw -- "shell or piece of ivory fancifully carved," a sailor's word, by 1864 in that spelling, also scrimshon, etc., "A nautical word of unstable orthography" [Century Dictionary]; a back-formation from American English scrimshander ("Moby Dick," 1851), scrimshonting (1825), which is of obscure origin. Scrimshaw is an English surname, attested from mid-12c., from Old French escremisseor "fencing-master." As a verb, by 1883.
 
4:37 AM
If cats are topologists, civets and mongooses are geometers.
Civets are differentials geometers, mongooses are algebraic geometers, and hyenas are... K-theorists?
 
My cat is mostly a sleepologist
 
Bears are analysts. Dogs are algebraists.
Skunks are real analysts. Red pandas are complex analysts. Raccoons are group theorists. Weasels are ring theorists.
Seals and walruses are probability theorists.
But what are the number theorists? Who knows...
 
 
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7:31 AM
Climate types in the USA, I guess highly inaccurate
 
7:43 AM
 
8:06 AM
I wonder why sexual assault is so especially traumatic for the psyche jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/2814163
Compared with "any assault".
 
8:53 AM
Industry of the day: underground coal gasification
 
 
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10:24 AM
@CowperKettle bigger countries have all sorts of climates, so one source of inaccuracy would be assuming "China" or "Iran" have one sort of climate
 
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1:05 PM
@tchrist Well, we do in SSBE, because the schwa and NURSE phonemes are only distinguished by length (thus showing both the reason for - and also eminent silliness of - Upton's decision to use a long schwa for the NURSE phoneme!).
 
1:18 PM
@Araucaria-Him In a conversation earlier, I fell down a rabbit hole of watching British phonics videos; this one helpfully explains that "er" makes the same sound in mermaid, expert, and lottery.
If you believe Geoff Lindsey, length is also often the primary distinction between /ɛ/ and /ɛə/, and between /ɪ/ and /ɪə/.
Which is why his dictionary uses the symbols /ɛː/ and /ɪː/ instead. Indeed it's fairly easy to find on YouGlish examples of Brits saying beard as what sounds like a slowed-down version of bid.
 
@jlliagre smokin'
 
1:43 PM
#WhenTaken #56 (23.04.2024)

I scored 933/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 528 km - 🗓️ 4 yrs - ⚡ 180 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 22.7 metres - 🗓️ 3 yrs - ⚡ 197 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 5 km - 🗓️ 4 yrs - ⚡ 196 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 569 km - 🗓️ 0 yrs - ⚡ 183 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 636 km - 🗓️ 4 yrs - ⚡ 177 / 200

https://whentaken.com
 
@M.A.R. Iran looks like a big snail.
 
2:17 PM
#WhenTaken #56 (23.04.2024)

I scored 908/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 743 km - 🗓️ 9 yrs - ⚡ 165 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 219.7 metres - 🗓️ 1 yrs - ⚡ 199 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 823 km - 🗓️ 9 yrs - ⚡ 162 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 701.0 metres - 🗓️ 5 yrs - ⚡ 195 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 11.7 metres - 🗓️ 9 yrs - ⚡ 187 / 200

https://whentaken.com
 
@jlliagre Nicely done on 4. I got the country, but couldn't figure out how to do better than that.
 
2:33 PM
@XanderHenderson I don't know how randomly the pictures are chosen but their distribution seems to favor certain countries and in these countries certain cities so when in doubt, I pick an already "visited" location.
 
2:44 PM
Wordle 1,039 5/6

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@XanderHenderson The most puzzling picture was #5. I first thought about suffragettes but they look too happy and what would they do with these men in funny uniforms? Then I recognized the church so just picked a year that would more or less match the dresses.
Guillaume Tell hats and Tintin plus fours.
Plus fours are breeches or trousers that extend four inches (10 cm) below the knee (and thus four inches longer than traditional knickerbockers, hence the name). Knickerbockers have been traditionally associated with sporting attire since the 1860s. Plus fours were introduced in the 1920s and became popular among sportsmen—particularly golfers and game shooters—as they allowed more freedom of movement than knickerbockers. An "extravagant, careless style that fit right in with the looser fashions and lifestyles of the 1920s", plus fours were introduced to the United States by Edward, Prince of Wales...
 
3:07 PM
@jlliagre Oh, the year seemed very obvious to me (within a decade or so---the fashion is very telling). I also thought it was a different city, which narrowed down the possible timing a bit more.
I was wrong about the city (not the church I thought it was). But nailed the year.
 
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4:44 PM
@Mitch I had no idea about Jackson Pollock's cat period.
 
 
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6:17 PM
@Mitch A Persian cat?
@tchrist
 
 
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@Mitch Sure, that's accurate for smaller values of cat.
 
Local dipintos
 
 
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9:04 PM
@Cerberus I wouldn't know. They all look the same to me.
At night all cats are gray.
 
@Mitch Except when they're black.
 
Aug 29, 2023 at 19:40, by Mitch
@Robusto Cats, man.
@Robusto then how do you know it's there?
Ain't no cat
If cats only knew we were spending all his time talking about them they wouldn't give one good goddam
 
@Mitch Our black cat makes plenty of noise, so we do know he's there.
At all times.
Day or night.
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> The social psychologist discusses the “great rewiring” of children’s brains, why social-media companies are to blame, and how to reverse course.
 
9:24 PM
@Mitch But he is Persia in the photo.
@Robusto I haven't read the article, but my thinking kind of tends in that direction, too.
 
@Cerberus Yes, mine too.
 
@Cerberus oh certainly. @M.A.R. has posted similar before... But I can't figure out how to search for images here
@Robusto I try not to let facts get in the way of my opinions
 
@Mitch You can't unless SE has let AI loose on our room.
 
@MetaEd Banksy had only one period full.stop.
@Cerberus I'd give up all my personal autonomy just to be able to search for cat pictures in ELU chat.
 
9:41 PM
@Mitch that's so minimalist. even my local bus has lots of stops.
in fact so does my organ.
 
9:53 PM
@Mitch Soon.
 
Daily Octordle #820
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10:19 PM
i cant lie im a little upset at this one
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Q: How did "dream" become a verb without the same thing happening to "nightmare"?

temporary_user_nameYou can say I had a dream and you can say I had a nightmare. But then you can say He is dreaming, yet you cannot say He is nightmaring....you have to say He is having a nightmare. Why is that? How did the one shift without the same thing happening to the other? When did this shift occur? Or was d...

why was this closed as "opinion-based"?
how is it "an opinion" how a word's usage evolved over time?
look at any of these other questions under etymology and tell me how these are different english.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/etymology?tab=Votes
the **** is this site even for?
 
@temporary_user_name It isn't closed.
Just reopened, tadaa!
I will say one thing, though.
The question depends on a certain thought:
If x can happen to word A, then why can't x happen to word B?
I don't think that is a very good thought.
"Why" is vague. Though that is saved by the final sentences of the question's body.
But the idea that all words should become verbs is just not really logical.
 
it can be argued that the question is difficult or impossible to answer because who can say why people didn't use a word a certain way, and in that sense i agree that the nature of the question is partially flawed.

but one can still look into the history of the words and see where the usage diverged and see what there is to be learned.
 
10:34 PM
Yes.
But that is why, in my opinion, it is not the very best question.
And what you say could have been put into the wording of the question more.
But it's OK, in my opinion.
 
 
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@CowperKettle I love the term “unstable orthography”.
 

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