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1:08 AM
@Cerberus How can you discount the mental?
@Cerberus Not to bang the gong too hard, but I'm sure this could have been asked of the Germans in 1935. "Don't worry! Things have a way of working out!" Which is true of all disasters, by the way.
 
1:22 AM
The mental is indeed worse than the physical. Indeed, even physical suffering is really mental suffering.
 
@Robusto I did not say you should discount the mental; I was merely asking about the practical specifically.
 
2:00 AM
@Cerberus We've seen the iceberg, we've notified the crew, but a significant percentage of the passengers are convinced it doesn't exist, and full speed ahead!. And the Captain is calling us "fake news" and "the enemy of the people."
This is a problem for the planet, not just the U.S. Especially for low-lying coastal areas, like, um ... let's see, do any come to mind right off the top of your head?
 
So I'll take that as a no, then.
I remember you were worried about your healthcare.
You don't need to tell me that Trump is bad for the world...
 
@Cerberus Still am, but at least we control one house of Congress now.
 
But I am glad that at least you have personally suffered any practical negative consequences, then.
Indeed.
So the worst is now behind you.
 
See, I don't think we agree on what "practical negative consequences" means.
 
As to coastal areas, we have enough money and knowledge to build dikes. We won't be affected that badly. As opposed to, say, Bangladesh. We're now helping them build dikes, I believe.
 
2:06 AM
Part of Trump's base is the religious nuts who think hastening the end of the world will bring the Second Coming of Christ and the Rapture.
 
But the weather is another problem: parts of the tropics may become too hot to live in part of the year. And there will be droughts and flooding to destroy harvests in various places; poor countries don't have the money nor the organisation to counter those effects.
 
I mean, they actually believe that shit.
 
Hah.
Surely there will be few of those...
 
@Cerberus And you may build dikes against an average sea-level rise, but what about specific climatic events like record storm surges?
Boom, there go your dikes.
 
Well, we already build against surges that occur every 10,000 years given the current weather. So we'll just need to continue topping it up and up.
Which is expensive, yes, but the changes will be slow, so there is enough time.
 
2:11 AM
The current weather is changing. And engineers can get things wrong.
That's why we have QA departments. And vehicle recalls.
 
We have a century for QA.
And enough knowledge and experience.
 
@Cerberus So it's "I'm all right, Jack" and pull up the ladder (literally)?
 
@Robusto What I am saying is that the places most affected by climate change (in a negative way) are not rich countries with lots of experience in holding off the sea, but rather poor countries, especially those in the tropics, on (low-lying) coats, and near deserts. Especially those with more than one factor combined.
 
Trust me when I say there will be unforeseen consequences. There are always unforeseen consequences. When we're talking software, it's no big deal. When we're talking global climate change, it is a very big deal.
 
Sure.
One foreseen consequence, though, is how much Russia and Canada will benefit.
Not just because their area of arable land will increase tremendously, but also because fossil fuel resources will become much easier to extract.
 
2:16 AM
@Cerberus It's not clear they will benefit.
 
Maybe Canada will also suffer from the rising sea level.
And nothing is ever certain.
 
But at least Russia is very likely to profit a great deal.
@Robusto Yes, and oil.
 
Guess what, if all the frozen methane melts you can say sayonara to a habitable planet.
 
The Russian Arctic is full of unexploited and/or unexplored oil and gas fields.
 
I rather meant exploitable methane, gas fields.
 
And that is quite beside the point.
 
The methane that is present near the surface is generally not extractible, I believe
The methane that escapes from the thawing permafrost will change the climate, but it won't affect Russia specifically.
 
@Cerberus It will affect everyone. We all live on the same planet.
 
But a warmer planet is not bad for people living in cold places.
 
2:25 AM
I'm wondering if that is your penchant for sophistry talking or a degree of naïveté I did not expect from you.
Sorry, I didn't mean to be harsh. But I really don't see the "positive side" of global climate catastrophe.
I really, really don't.
 
It seems you are trying to read intentions into what I am saying all the time.
Where there are none.
 
> "The time scales for destabilization of marine hydrates are not well understood and are likely to be very long for hydrates found in deep sediments but much shorter for hydrates below shallow waters, such as in the Arctic Ocean... Overall, uncertainties are large, and it is difficult to be conclusive about the time scales and magnitudes of methane feedbacks, but significant increases in methane emissions are likely, and catastrophic emissions cannot be ruled out...
The risk of a rapid increase in [methane] emissions is real but remains largely unquantified."
Note the "not well understood" statement.
The truth is, we really don't know what will happen. But that's not a reason to plow ahead on our present course.
 
Indeed.
You're preaching to the choir in this room.
 
2:42 AM
That's me preaching.
 
How melodious.
 
A melodious funk.
@Cerberus: I had a question for you. Why is Caesar Augustus always called "Octavian" and not "Octavius" when referring to his pre-emperor days?
Is that an English artifact?
 
3:03 AM
It is not!
> Octāvĭānus, i, m., a surname of the emperor Augustus, who was adopted out of the gens Octavia into the gens Julia
So the -an- part is like a suffix that shows it was derived from some other word.
The Romans liked stacking suffixes.
So you could translate Octavianus as "Octavish", "from the Octavii".
 
What would his peers have called him then?
 
After his adoption, I believe he called himself Caesar.
 
Before that.
 
> Born Gaius Octavius, the grandnephew of the dictator was adopted by will as his son and heir, becoming Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus. ... later, the Senate granted him the title of Augustus, which ever after signified the holder of imperial authority.
So he would probably be called Gaius informally.
Or perhaps he had some other cognomen that isn't attested.
 
So ... Octavianus would mean Octavius-ish?
 
3:09 AM
Yes.
"Adopted from the Octavii".
 
But nobody but English-language teleplays would call him "Octavian"?
 
Well, I'm not entirely sure in which situations the name Octavianus would have been used by the Romans.
I think it counts as a cognomen.
So perhaps it could be used in various contexts, I'm not sure.
But in Dutch or other modern contexts, he is often called Octavianus as well, before he got the predicate Augustus.
 
Robusto, I just had to paste the link to your "old man" answer in a comment to my "pretty lady" answer (not about capitalization at all, BTW) because...
I thought whoever (maybe an old man) would believe you and leave me alone...
I hope you don't mind.
 
In official papers, he himself would use the name Gaius Iulius Caesar, I believe, and so would people corresponding with him officially.
 
@KannE ??? Not sure what you mean.
 
3:12 AM
@Robusto But I think "in what contexts, exactly, did Augustus use the name Octavianus?" would be an excellent question for Latin.SE!
 
But then I'd have to join another SE site!
 
@Robusto It's only a few clicks!
 
@KannE: Oh, that old thing. Yeah, what a disappointment. No wonder I forgot all about it.
 
And you would gain reps on one of the most elusive stacks in the network...
 
Elusive or exclusive?
 
3:18 AM
@KannE Those soft returns! So pretty!
@Robusto Both!
 
@Cerberus On EL&U we call those enjambments ...
 
But elusive in the sense that not many people know about it and even fewer would be able to participate...
@Robusto But...don't enjambments generally break off sentences or metre?
 
I feel like I'm being harassed (maybe I'm overreacting) because a commenter just refuses to believe that some people don't capitalize terms of endearment (not to be confused with nicknames) in direct addresses.
He/she suggested that I put it up for a vote here in chat.
So, can we just get this over with...
"Hey, pretty lady, you seem like fun."
Obviously, that is his nickname for every fun-seeming lady...
 
@Cerberus I'm using the term figuratively!
 
And NOT her nickname...except when she goes to bars.
 
3:21 AM
@Robusto Good!
@KannE I don't know the context, but that sounds like the kind of person one best ignores!
What do you stand to gain by continuing to engage him?
 
@Robusto I remembered it...I think I voted for it...let me check.
 
@KannE I agree with Cerberus. The Internet is full of last-word freaks, and they can suck all your time and emotional energy.
 
Indeed.
And we need that time.
To perform our own duties as last-word freaks.
 
That's the one.
 
3:25 AM
@KannE No votes. Big fat goose egg. Like I say, a disappointment.
 
@Robusto I'm sorry, I forgot. I'm an old woman. I just took your info and ran with it, very slowly. I just did though, upvote it.
 
And I thank you.
You are clearly a person of taste, discrimination, and refinement.
 
@Robusto That is one of my favourite pictures.
 
Actually, I did a lot of research on it, too much...and was beaten to the punch, as usual.
But, hey, now I have you to refer to...
Ah-ha!
See there!
Take that!
Those soft returns were for Cerberus.
 
Oh, that's what you mean by a soft return.
 
3:35 AM
@Jasper IKR! It's my new favorite thing now...maybe forever.
 
Actually, you can type text of any length in a text editor, copy it, and paste it into the window here. There is no character limit in this case either.
 
BTW, I think that @Cerberus must be a vampire doggy, since he only comes out at night.
 
But maybe I am wrong about that.
 
Anyway, folks, I'm outta here. Laterz all!
 
Thanks, I didn't know about the character limit.
But I did know about the returns...that's how I shit out my poem...basically.
 
3:37 AM
It used to be the case that you cannot type the exact same thing here twice without anyone interrupting. Let me try that now.
Testin 123
Haha, I just tried to type that twice and I couldn't!
 
@Robusto Good night...or whatever it is there.
 
@KannE You should try what I just did!
 
@Cerberus No, but I know people who have
 
Basically, the second time you type it and press enter, it just disappears...
 
@Jasper did you get all my pings?
You can thank @Cerberus for showing me how to give you an unlimited number of pings
 
3:40 AM
@Mitch Yes, but note that you get only one ping no matter how many times you type it in the same message. But that is obvious.
 
@Jasper Oh
That was not obvious to me.
It was a concern, but not obvious.
I will now have to think hard to figure out a way to quickly give a number of pings.
I love this computer stuff. It's at least good for something
 
How many people in chat know you can't type the exact same thing twice in consecutive messages uninterrupted?
Maybe less than 10 SE users...
I might be wrong. Maybe everyone except 10 people knows.
 
@Robusto Ha-ha, YW.
@Mitch They're WTHUUNKs, I told you, not pings...and I'm sure they alarmed him.
@Cerberus Yes, you're right, I'm going to delete all my comments except the link to Robusto's answer. It speaks for itself.
@Mitch Soft returns? Try pinging with soft returns between them.
Shit
@Jasper Yeap, it only let me "Shit" once...I tried 3 times.
You're probably...King of Chatland, C.M.U.
Maybe 11 people know now...including me.
 
 
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6:10 AM
Hello everybody
 
 
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8:49 AM
@Mitch hi
my manager is changing and he was awesome person. I would like to thank him for including me in his team. There was meeting held and I was not part of the meeting as I was on leave. A colleague told me that manager is changing
can any body please help me in sending an email?
Dear xxx,
I was on leave when the meeting happened regarding change of reporting manager.
I missed the meeting and I am sorry for that.
You are one of the best manager, I have worked with in my 5 years of IT career.
I wish to  have another chance of working with you.
Thank you again for making me a part of your team.

Regards,
zzz
is this correct?
 
9:28 AM
Is it OK to use 'consider' without an object?
 
10:11 AM
@KannE Does CMU stand for Carnegie Mellon University or something else? I really don't know.
 
 
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11:55 AM
hi everyone,
can you please tell me if it is correct to say "trace the influence" ?
as an example:
"I can clearly trace the influence of environment on me."
 
 
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2:18 PM
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Did that ping you a lot?
While I wait for an answer, I'm going to go stick bubble gum wrappers in electrical sockets to blow the fuse.
@parvin So close (but yes, 'trace the influence' sounds just right for following the connections from source influence to the target)
"I can clearly trace the influence of the environment on me."
(or 'my' or 'our'. it needs some kind of modifier)
@Keepthesemind I don't know. Have you considered?
I consider all the time
Do you have a full sentence where 'consider' is used without an object that sounds right to you?
 
 
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5:49 PM
Hey, it's our favorite goblin.
Boo.
 
eeep!
hi!
I mean... I'm a fearsome, floating orc head. Not some cowardly goblin.
 
6:09 PM
runs away screaming
 
@Jasper I forgot what it was...I had to trace the lineage back to Consecutive Messages Uninterrupted.
 
Hello @MattE.Эллен, just sent you an email!
 
Hi @Jasper. I see it
@MetaEd floats smugly
 
I set my Windows font size to so small that some people won't be able to read anything when they log in. That is called a security measure!
 
I suppose you could call it that :D
 
6:14 PM
But really, that is just a silly manoeuvre.
I fixed the spelling before anyone could correct me.
Manoeuvre is as hard to spell as diarrhoea.
And Portuguese is as easy to misspell as millennium.
It is easy to misspell them as Portugese and millenium.
 
When I worked in an office one or two people would look at my screen and ask if I could read the code I was working on, because I had the font set "so small" (seemed pretty normal to me). I mean, of course I can read the code. I don't set up my workstation to make my life harder. 🙄
on the other hand ubuntu 18.04 has made my life harder. What is the point of this netplan nonsense?
 
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I don't want to strain my eyes, but the default font sizes in Windows are too big for me. I can choose a size that is larger than the one I have now, which is the minimum I can set it to, but Windows warns me that that would be an option that is not recommended.
 
Hi
 
@MetaEd looks super
 
6:21 PM
@MattE.Эллен No idea what netplan is. Ubuntu 18.04 uses the GNOME shell now, and Unity has been retired. I tried Ubuntu and Ubuntu MATE 18.04 and didn't like either. MATE is getting buggy and bloated now. Maybe it's time to use Xubuntu.
@MetaEd Because of system and browser settings, I cannot be sure that the size you see and the size I see are the same. There are many settings in different places.
 
@Jasper yeah. I guess that's why the error in unity in 16.04 isn't being fixed. I accidentally upgraded to 18.04 because I thought I would get a point release of 16.04
nautilus isn't working for me either
so I can't browse files. although I generally use bash anyway
 
@MattE.Эллен It's always good to upgrade from LTS to LTS. Unless you want really old software for some strange reason.
 
@Jasper That's what I like about browsers. Separation of content from style.
 
@MattE.Эллен If Nautilus doesn't even work, maybe you should reinstall everything. Quite fast with the ISO image.
 
What do we call the department inside a govt. ministry that undertakes the relay of documentation, official letters from outsiders (requests, appeals)? In Russian the weird word is "Expedition" (Экспедиция). I'm translating a document bearing a stamp that says "Ministry of Healthcare of Russia. Expedition. 12 October 2012, 15:40".
 
6:25 PM
@Jasper I'm not the only one who's had the issue, and they've tried a fresh install to no avail, so hopefully it will be fixed soon
 
@CowperKettle I guess there isn't really a term for that. It depends on which country and which ministry, and they would all have different names for that. Nothing I know of. Expedition is certainly not a word to be used in this case.
@MattE.Эллен What is it about Nautilus that doesn't work. Do you mean you cannot access your files through it?
 
yes. it does not run
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Q: nautilus not starting ubuntu 18.04

Romain L.Since a few weeks when I try to start nautilus in Ubuntu 18.04 I get the following message : nautilus: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/tracker-2.0/libtracker-data.so.0: undefined symbol: sqlite3_bind_pointer It seems everything else is working fine. I ran dpkg -l | grep libtrack...

specifically that
 
OMG. I don't think that happened to me, but I only used it for a few minutes.
 
I'm fairly sure it worked for a bit
 
This is very bad. Completely unacceptable bug.
 
6:29 PM
but I cold be misremembering
 
The file manager is one of the most important parts of a system.
It is why people use a desktop environment in the first place.
 
I shy away from Debian these days too, because it is also becoming more buggy. Debian Squeeze was perhaps the last nice version of Debian.
GNOME shell ruined everything nice about GNOME and Debian.
I don't know why people want to use their desktop like they use a phone.
I did try all the desktop live images of Debian, but the truth is only the default desktop gets lots of attention.
 
yeah. they don't. I guess they're trying to push into the mobile phone market
 
The non-default desktops have smaller teams working on them.
 
6:49 PM
How about a tag for questions like this ?
 
I sometimes could be tired as/like all the people in the world
I don't find any difference
 
@MattE.Эллен ?? Linux for phones?
 
@Mitch I know! who would have thought it? hides his Android
 
or rather a linux X Windows manager for phones?
@MattE.Эллен I've never used an Android or seen what's behind it (except Java?) so I have no idea
 
@Mitch it's based on Linux. it even has some gnu tools
but those are difficult to find.
 
6:58 PM
but... but...
why?
why the windows manager that is
 
Google don't like spending money
I don't think android uses X
 
oh. very reasonable reason
oh. I'm being stupid.
 
I could be wrong
 
I read 'debian' as windows manager
which it is not.
 
any ideas men?
 
6:59 PM
it may include any number of them
@Curio I am an ideas man!
Here's an idea:
 
XD
 
pumpkin spice flavored puppies
some people will love them
 
pumpkin spice flavoured pretzels
 
some people will think it's terrible
 
:/
 
7:01 PM
regarding your question, @Curio, both sound unnatural.
 
Unnatural?!
 
why?
 
it's not a statement I can imagine being made with either as or like
 
'as' is less natural than 'like' (when used synonomously) as is a lot more formal
 
7:02 PM
So what should the sentence be like?
Furthermore can I say:"It's on the job-training"?
 
'in'
'in the job training material'
'It happened during job training'
 
Well, I don't quite get the meaning. "Sometimes I could be tired like all the people in the world" doesn't make sense to me
@Curio on-the-job training
 
'in the job training'
oh
yeah what @MattE.Эллен said
 
sorry, my connection is somewhat spotty
 
I mean
I sometimes work with a coding company, but I don't earn money: it's in the job training
 
7:06 PM
you should still get paid if you're working
even if you're training
well, that's what I think anyway
 
Is it correct the sentence?
 
"on-the-job training"
 
^^^ that one
 
Or perhaps: "It's part of the job training" (as in, "It's part of the training for the job").
 
7:08 PM
#2 not #1
 
or ...I don't earn money: I'm just an intern
 
I have a decision made. From now on, I am going to the main verb of every sentence at the end of the sentence put.
 
LOL
@MattE.Эллен So it's on-the-job training
 
I am my part in English a little bit more like German making playing.
 
but then I have to read the whole sentence to get the meaning!
"but then the whole sentence I have to read for the meaning to get"?
@Curio yes
 
7:10 PM
Nice
Coming back:
I sometimes could be tired as all the people in the world, but this doesn’t stop me to finish my work.
 
I'm actually not sure if German would it like that last sentence say, or if it would "I am playing my part in English a little bit more German making" be. Or something.
"Stop me to finish" should be "stop me from finishing".
 
why?
 
@Curio I think you mean "I sometimes feel as tired as all the people in the world, but this doesn't stop me from finishing my work."
 
oooh yes you're right
 
@Curio Because "from" is the preposition that the verb "stop" uses.
 
7:12 PM
Uhm
Last 2 things:
videogames or video games?
math or maths?
 
maths
America be damned
 
and is it singular?
 
"Math" is the American word, "maths" is the British word. I don't know if you're trying to write American or British.
 
@Curio yes
 
I don't think "videogames" is a common spelling anywhere; it's always "video games".
 
7:14 PM
Okay many thanks!
 
@TannerSwett disagree
but both are fine, IMO
 
@MattE.Эллен Yeah but it's like a really interesting story where you the punch line at the very end ... explode
 
@Mitch we should start putting the punch lines in the middle of jokes
 
@TannerSwett Yeah, German isn't SOV. what it does is put infinitives or past participles at the end. oh... and in relative clauses it is SOV.
 
@Mitch That sense makes. :D
 
7:18 PM
@MattE.Эллен I on my face because of a banana... slipped
@MattE.Эллен From you mouth to God's ears
AUGHH!!!
That was lightning
just barely missed
 
unless that means actually got me
 
Does German have auxiliary verbs?
 
I think you'd know if it got you
 
The Awful German Language”, Mark Twain, from A Tramp Abroad
 
7:22 PM
@MetaEd Yup, that's what inspired this thought. :D
Now, the problem with saying something like "that's what this thought inspired" is that now it looks like "this thought" is the subject of the sentence instead of the object.
 
"Wenn haber man kann nicht meinem Rede Verstehen, so werde ich ihm später dasselbe übersetz, wenn er solche Dienst verlangen wollen haben werden sollen sein hätte."
 
So, we might want to fix this by speaking a language which has cases, like Polish.
Sadly, in Polish, the nominative and the accusative are usually identical!
 
@TannerSwett That's because during the cold war everybody learned to accuse themselves.
 
That almost makes sense.
But the nominative and the accusative are usually not identical for words referring to people.
 
@MattE.Эллен maybe it was just bad static? JUst gives you a vague uncomfortable feeling? Kind of a passive aggressive God.
Until you touch a door knob
@TannerSwett sure. It uses 'have' as owning and as the auxialiary verb for past.
auxialiary is not the GI tract but the snack tract
 
7:27 PM
@Mitch deep pile carpets, besocked feet and brass door knobs. A deadly combination
 
a balloon and a cat
 
alright. alright. keep it PG
 
@Mitch And a thigh. Because that's where the cat ends up.
 
ouch
that's too close
@MetaEd Wie bitte?
It's taking me a while to catch up to the thread
 
Now, the distinguishing-for-people thing sort of makes sense. You want to distinguish between, say, "Policjant je artystę" (the police officer eats the artist) and "Policjanta je artysta" (the artist eats the police officer). But it's fine for "chleb" to always be "chleb", because bread isn't going to eat anything.
 
7:29 PM
@TannerSwett Greek, perhaps?
 
@MattE.Эллен ?? You rub a cat with a balloon and you can shock anybody
 
@Mitch V
 
Danke
 
8:01 PM
@MattE.Эллен How is your Greek now? I can only say alpha beta gamma.
 
8:13 PM
Hah! I can go on a few letters further.
 
@Jasper it's slow progress
 
8:43 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Url in title, potentially bad ns for domain in body, potentially bad ns for domain in title (98): liveonow.de/panthersvssteelers/ by NFL Week Ten on english.SE
 
8:57 PM
@Cerberus: I went ahead and asked that question on Latin.SE.
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Q: In what contexts, exactly, did Augustus use the name Octavianus?

RobustoWikipedia says Caesar Augustus was born Gaius Octavius Thurinus, making his nomen Octavius and that nomen would have held sway prior to his ascension to emperor. Screenwriters, though, seem always to refer to him as "Octavian" at that time of his life. A classicist I know assures me that his act...

 
9:11 PM
@Robusto used whenever he was the butt of a joke. /getscoat
 
 
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@Færd I know the last one is omega though, lol.
 

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