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SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
1:38 AM
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Robusto
Robusto
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We keep getting these. Can a mod check if they're from the same IP Address?
@RegDwigнt, @tchrist, @MetaEd ^^^^
 
 
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SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
5:09 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected (79): Where did you just come from vs where did you just came from? by Blackman on english.SE
 
KannE
KannE
I did a lot of searching to find out why "wins" couldn't be changed to "winning" and have the same meaning in that sentence (unlike "hangs" and "hanging" in the link). I found a reference (maybe British and American) regarding reducing relative clauses, and I think this rule applies:

2. We can use participles when reducing the sentence.

a) Present Participle "V-ing" (simultaneous)

We stood on the bridge which connects the two halves of the city.
We stood on the bridge connecting the two halves of the city.(Present Participle)
 
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
 
KannE
KannE
5:28 AM
Attn: Anybody
In the reference I just provided above, by *simultaneous*, do they mean...
this rule only applies if the actions in the dependent clause and relative clause occur simultaneously?
Thanks in advance for your reply.
@hbtpoprock Also, keep in mind, that the rule above (re: "V-ing") may not apply to all action verbs.That seems likely. I actually found a reference that stated that, but it had a major error in it (regarding objects), so I question it's accuracy in general.
Oops!--major error of my own:
I meant "the actions in the independent clause (not dependent!) and relative clause"...
Sorry, I don't edit fast enough.
 
Ashwin Gupta
Ashwin Gupta
5:49 AM
Hey guys, wondering if I could ask, is this sentence grammarically correct? In particular, I'm worried about the commas before the 'but' and after 'defeat'

> If I had not faced failure, but instead been consoled or sheltered from defeat, I never would have spent time learning.
 
Will Hunting
Will Hunting
6:16 AM
@Robusto I was wondering if they can use things like proxies and VPNs to cheat the system.
 
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
6:44 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Url in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in title, potentially bad keyword in title (392): amazonhealthstore.com/where-to-buy-praltrix-australia/ by deeannetho on english.SE
 
 
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Tonepoet
Tonepoet
10:02 AM
@SmokeDetector I would call it a comforter, or more specifically a goose-down comforter.
 
 
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RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
11:54 AM
@AshwinGupta the commas are fine, the rest is rather clumsy.
Note that commas cannot be grammatical or ungrammatical. There are no commas at all in speech. But you can't say that all speech is always ungrammatical.
 
Will Hunting
Will Hunting
12:34 PM
@RegDwigнt I might be wrong but I have always considered punctuation to be part of the grammar of written English, but maybe there is no such thing.
Anyway, the CGEL has a final chapter on punctuation, which is the only really good source of information I have come across on punctuation. All other sources are incomplete or erroneous in some areas. This one is complete and perfect according to my imperfect knowledge.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@AshwinGupta It sounds fine to me, commas and grammar.
It does seems to be a bit of a cliché, though.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
@WillHunting y,,,,ou ar,e wr,,ong.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Oh, comman.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Read this se,ntence alo,,ud and tell me with a s,trai,ght face that it is not pe'rfectly gra?!mmatical English.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I would if I could read it.
But, alas, it offends mine eyes.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
12:45 PM
You not being able to read something doesn't make it ungrammatical. You being offended doesn't make it wrong.
Many people are offended by gays and blacks.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Indeed.
Many people are put in camps.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
And thus we have proven that being a gypsy is ungrammatical.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Whereas it would be better if people could just ignore whatever offended them.
@RegDwigнt The spelling of that word I have always found weird.
The first y.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Well, they are ungrammatical, you know.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Not in their own language!
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
12:47 PM
I think it's only fair that they wear that right on their sleeve.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
What colour is their star?
I thought they were worn on one's chest, but never mind.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
I think it's rainbow-colored.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I wonder who came up with the word gypsy.
Lovely.
> 1505–15; back formation of gipcyan, aphetic variant of Egyptian, from a belief that Gypsies came originally from Egypt
Funny.
Sometimes the English language sounds so ignorant and provincial.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
English isn't even a language.
Has no genders, cases, or aspects.
Pathetic rubbish.
So it's really saying something if you manage to be ungrammatical in that.
Like, look, for example, this video here is 50% English, but you can't understand a word:
@Robusto
As an aside, now that is what I call a groove. Take note, jazz.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
1:13 PM
@RegDwigнt It does to some degree!
@RegDwigнt Nice.
Though I didn't hear much English.
No idea about the language, though. Slavic?
 
Robusto
Robusto
1:32 PM
@RegDwigнt Sounds like a Japanese rave.
@Cerberus Literally "Song of the Devilman" in Japanese, with a weird transliteration of Devilman. I would have rendered it as デビルマンの歌　(debiruman).
I understood a bit of it, but songs are the hardest things to understand in another language for me, especially Japanese. Hell, even in English.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Robusto Ahh.
That explains why I couldn't place it.
Yes, songs are difficult.
 
ninja hatori
ninja hatori
1:59 PM
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Q: about midnight meaning

ninja hatoriAll are requested to submit the assignment by 16-11-2018, 12 O' Clock midnight. What is meaning of this I have to submit it by before 4 hours today or I have 28 more hours to do this?

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@Cerberus All are requested to submit the assignment by 16-11-2018, 12 O' Clock midnight. What is meaning of this I have to submit it by before 4 hours today or I have 28 more hours to do this?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@ninjahatori That sounds ambiguous to me.
But I would read it as 28 hours.
 
ninja hatori
ninja hatori
thanks @Cerberus
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Because of the way the date of a deadline is normally announced.
One would mention the date, then add an hour, and the hour would be some hour during the day, not before the day in the date even begins.
 
Will Hunting
Will Hunting
Actually I would just clarify with the person who set the deadline @Cerberus and @ninjahatori. I don't consider this a real English question. What is important is what the person setting the deadline means.
In some countries in official settings, they usually use 0001 or 2359 instead of 0000 to avoid this ambiguity.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
That's why I called it ambiguous.
 
Will Hunting
Will Hunting
2:10 PM
Now which professor in the right mind would set a midnight deadline???
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I've seen that before.
But, normally, one only sets the date, not the hour, of a deadline.
 
Will Hunting
Will Hunting
That's because many professors are in the wrong mind.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Then it is implied that you have until midnight, but in practice any nightly hour will do.
 
Robusto
Robusto
I would have said "before 00:00" beginning a date.
 
Will Hunting
Will Hunting
That is ambiguous too, any nightly hour.
Because someone can call 1 AM a nightly hour.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
2:12 PM
@Robusto That would work.
@WillHunting Yes, that is what I meant.
Implicatures are generally ambiguous.
 
Will Hunting
Will Hunting
But the mad professor might literally take it that 0001 is too late.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I said "normally".
 
Will Hunting
Will Hunting
Wait? Is implicature a word?
 
Robusto
Robusto
@Cerberus Deliberately so, but I don't see how time is an implicature in this case.
 
Will Hunting
Will Hunting
Hmm, I have only used implication.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
2:14 PM
@Robusto In the case I mentioned?
 
Robusto
Robusto
Yes.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
That was "normally", not a specific case.
 
Robusto
Robusto
OK
 
Will Hunting
Will Hunting
Sorry, I hope I did not start an argument. =D
 
Robusto
Robusto
Meaning you really, really, really hope you did.
 
Will Hunting
Will Hunting
2:16 PM
Yes, English is fantastic. You can say X to mean not X.
Talking about VPN, the Opera browser now has a built-in VPN. If you turn it on, sites will load more slowly.
But hey it actually works! Saves people the trouble of having to use another VPN.
But I noticed that Opera and Chrome have very similar settings now. I don't know who copied who.
 
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
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Will Hunting
Will Hunting
Post removed!
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Here it is subbed.
You'll be surprised just how much of it is actually English.
Or just listen to this:
The song is from like a 1970s anime.
I believe the fun part about it was that it was aimed at children.
They tried to teach kids manners by having a guy transform into Lucifer and slaughter things or something.
 
Robusto
Robusto
@RegDwigнt とても日本的
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Anyway, apparently there's a recent remake now or something, which is definitely not aimed at children at all. And so after 50 years the song is making the rounds again.
This is the original.
This is the remake.
More than that, I do not know.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
2:31 PM
I wonder why Japanese cartoons always use the same weird style.
In the way faces are drawn.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Because they do not?
Like just the two videos above couldn't be more different if they tried.
There are obvious conventions of the genre that have technical reasons, like trying to save frames, but even so, if you look at, oh I dunno, Totoro and Appleseed and Ghost in the Shell and Grave of the Fireflies and Death Parade, they still manage to all look and feel drastically different.
 
Robusto
Robusto
I've given up trying to understand anime. When it's fun it's just silliness. But when it's trying to tell a story, it loses me.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Right, there are exceptions.
 
Robusto
Robusto
Maybe you have to have encountered it at a young age. Or something.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
@Robusto have you seen Grave of the Fireflies?
Not that I can recommend it, you'll kill yourself.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
2:34 PM
@Robusto Oh, I wasn't even talking about the content.
@RegDwigнt So those videos have only moderately big eyes.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Big eyes has nothing to do with anime.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
But I did see the weird ugly pointy nose somewhere.
Big eyes have everything to do with Japanese cartoons.
And weird facial expressions.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
You might as well claim that all American films are about the color sepia.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
And pointy noses and fake hair.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
That really says more about you than it does about the movies.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
2:36 PM
American Hollywood films are indeed very much alike.
 
Robusto
Robusto
You know how you need to avoid translating a language word for word in order to get good at understanding it? That's where I am with anime. I let whole scenes go without really trying to parse the implications of each action. But I still wind up at the end going "Huh?"
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Nani?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
But the weirdness of the Janapese cartoon faces has always surprised me.
 
Robusto
Robusto
@RegDwigнt Was that directed at me or @Cerb?
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
You don't want to know what they think of Dutch faces.
@Robusto I was translating what you said for Cerberus.
 
Robusto
Robusto
2:37 PM
Ah. He speaks Japanese now?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
The big eyes may have something to do with the most common type plastic surgery carried out in East Asia...
Which I think is sad.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Anyway. Watch Death Parade. And Miyazaki, yes. From there it's up to you whether you want to watch anything else. Which you probably don't.
@Robusto no, he doesn't, which is why it's all the more helpful if we immerse him in the language.
 
Robusto
Robusto
I totally fell off the apple cart when I tried to watch this:
Rosario + Vampire
Rosario + Vampire (ロザリオとバンパイア, Rozario to Banpaia, literally « rosary and vampire ») is a Japanese manga series written and illustrated by Akihisa Ikeda. The story revolves around Tsukune Aono, a boy who inadvertently enrolls in a boarding school for monsters. He quickly befriends Moka Akashiya, a vampire who soon develops an obsession with his blood, and later meets other monster girls who soon take a romantic liking to him. The manga was serialized in Monthly Shonen Jump starting with the August 2004 issue, and ending with the June 2007 issue. A bonus chapter was published in Weekly Shonen Jump...
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
@Cerberus you are mixing up cause and effect really.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I Googled Miyazaki, and it looks like a similar style to me.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
2:39 PM
> Yokai Academy, the main setting of
Yeah well, of course.
The main setting is always a school.
Pardon me, you googled Miyazaki?
What's next, googling Da Vinci?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
So many things from East-Asian pop culture seem so very...dare I say it?
 
Robusto
Robusto
@RegDwigнt Einstein?
@Cerberus Go ahead, dare.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
That I don't need to google, that's just German for "one stone".
 
Robusto
Robusto
Relatively speaking, yes.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
It's just so weird to see characters in a Japanese series, with adult bodies, having the faces of prepubescent European children.
Or with the weird pointy nose.
Nothing in it is comprehensible to me.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
2:44 PM
Then stop watching whatever you're watching.
Here, these have their eyes completely covered. What now.
Also, what's prepubescent to you, is actually what 40-year old Japanese actually look like.
Again, your prejudices say more about you than they do about Japan.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Whereas the aesthetics of a Japanese temple or castle are immediately intuitive and logical to me.
 
Robusto
Robusto
@Cerberus It's even weirder to watch Japanese cartoon programs (directed to adults) where a character has blonde hair and blue eyes and you're supposed to understand that she's Japanese.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Like, I speak from very personal experience here. What passes for a 27-year old woman in Germany, in Russia they'd be ashamed if they looked like that at 47.
Even though a Russian woman at 27 is likely to have two kids already, while the German one is still thinking about her first one at 47.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Robusto Exactly.
@RegDwigнt OK, so no face to puzzle. But I don't get the Kitschy clothes and the hair.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
That is just fashion. Fashion makes no sense by definition.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
2:48 PM
Why do so many Japanese cartoons have the hair and the clothes?
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Why does everyone in Amsterdam wear fucking jeans???
 
Robusto
Robusto
@RegDwigнt Yeah. I hear drawing people with octopus heads is all the rage this year.
@RegDwigнt Don't "fucking jeans" get you laid? If not, ask for your money back.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
But it is everywhere in Japanese cartoons, and it has been the same since forever. It is unrelated to normal fashion trends in physical clothes, isn't it?
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
@Robusto and yet when we put an actual 10-minute rape scene into a James Bond movie, it's a-okay somehow.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@RegDwigнt Yes, that is also weird.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
2:50 PM
@Cerberus no, it is not, and that's the thing.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
In anything I get to see from Japan, then.
 
Robusto
Robusto
@RegDwigнt Check out manga if you want that kind of weird. Fetishizing the knife murder of young women is just ho-hum in the "what men like" department.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
@Cerberus is my point. Your fault. You can't just read Dan Brown and Steven King and from that conclude that all Americans are always idiots and can't fucking write.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
At least fetishising I can understand at an abstract level...
@RegDwigнt I can!
 
Robusto
Robusto
@RegDwigнt Well, it's almost true.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
2:51 PM
But that isn't what I mean.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
@Robusto thanks, but I'll pass. I am quite uncomfortable enough with the one Sean Connery rape scene.
@Robusto well, it's almost true of every nation everywhere and at every time.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
What I mean is that the aesthetics of drawn faces and hair in almost all Japanese productions that are very popular here look so weird to me.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Again, cause and effect.
 
Robusto
Robusto
@Cerberus I wonder how blonde they'd have to draw you to make people understand that you were an actual gaijin.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
No doubt they have some variety that I don't get to see, but that isn't what I mean.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
2:53 PM
They are very popular here precisely because they are strange.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Robusto Hah.
It makes me worry for the self-image of Japanese children.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Nobody would import shit from Japan that has no tentacle rape in it and just talks about wooden shoes and cheese for two hours.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Hence the eye operations.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Stop worrying about other people's business. Sort your own life out first.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@RegDwigнt Oh, but the tentacle rape I can understand. That has nothing to do with European-looking children's faces.
 
Robusto
Robusto
2:55 PM
@RegDwigнt Wait! That's an idea for an anime series! 木製の靴+チーズ !!!!
And it would be gay harem anime.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Well, ハウルの動く城 actually sort of tried that.
And guess what, these bits were fucking boring.
 
Robusto
Robusto
They probably didn't have enough cheese.
Or wooden shoes.
Actually, the Japanese have geta (下駄) which are wooden shoes. But not the Dutch kind.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
The Dutch have David Ghetta.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
> Though many anime studios now animate by computer, the tradition of crafting and amply using a trademark facial design for multiple characters predates the technological possibility of mixing-and-matching hairstyles onto a basic "doll" head, and did not arise in the art form in order to make that the standard once animation software could be invented.
> it stands to reason that the design perceived as most attractive will be used time and again. This may mean the same face for nearly all female protagonists, the same face for nearly all male love interests, and the same face for amicable, friendly men.
 
Robusto
Robusto
@Cerberus What about amicable, friendly octopi?
 
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