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Dog Lover
Dog Lover
12:11 AM
@Cerberus Oh, no, no, I'm not saying you did. I just don't want to come across as some nutty religious person who gets offended at everything, because I'm not.
I just think it's important for people to stick to the Be Nice policy. I think the comment was flagged because of its rude tone above all else.
 
tchrist
tchrist
@DogLover That's a perfectly reasonable guess, but we cannot know why the various community members who flagged it did so. We can only know that a sufficient number of them thought that it should go did so, and so go it did.
 
Dog Lover
Dog Lover
I think the best thing for me to do is to apologise for the can of worms I've opened.
 
tchrist
tchrist
If you feel that's best, then nobody would stand in your way.
Normally I just walk away to stop throwing more kerosene on the campfire.
 
Dog Lover
Dog Lover
You are a moderator, so can I ask for your advice?
 
tchrist
tchrist
At least as well as you can call spirits from the vasty deep.
 
Dog Lover
Dog Lover
12:26 AM
So, this Clare thing has probably been bothering me more than it should. And I wonder about this comment in particular.
1. Is it true that this is not a community? That we should not stand in solidarity as best we can?
2. Is it acceptable?

I'm not at all upset that my comment was deleted. I also think the appeal to "community" is a laugh, because I don't see any of the SE sites as being that. What's curious to me, in passing, is what gets censored here. And that's the last I have to say on the matter. Even this question was not something I actually wanted an answer to; I just enjoyed writi…
 
tchrist
tchrist
The answer to your first question is that ELU is a community.
Regarding that particular user, I would encourage you not to let their tone affect you overmuch.
To pretend something was "censored" is at best disingenuous. I'd let it go.
The community made a decision.
Collectively.
 
Dog Lover
Dog Lover
What concerns me is the fact that she appears to have written the "question" for the wrong reasons. When I raised my meta question, I purposely made efforts to conceal the identity of the person within the post so that there was no conflict. After all, my question was mainly focused on my conduct, with the conduct of the commentator being a sidenote.
 
tchrist
tchrist
It's awfully hard to be certain of motivating reasons. I feel that this has been a great deal of time and text wasted over the evaporation of one single ephemeral comment which in due course evaporated.
You may be right, but it is seldom useful to go down that road very far.
Behavior we can judge because we can see it laid out before us; motivation is otherwise.
 
Dog Lover
Dog Lover
I just don't want to become an enemy of the community. After all, I hold great respect for this site. And I'm starting to think that maybe my meta question was a mistake.
 
tchrist
tchrist
I again counsel you not to make too much of one user's harsh words, particularly this one's.
 
Dog Lover
Dog Lover
12:34 AM
Indeed.
 
Robusto
Robusto
1:00 AM
@terdon The singular ones are singular and the plural ones are plural.
 
 
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tchrist
tchrist
2:22 AM
Is "sending to there" even grammatical?
I mistrust that "to".
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
2:43 AM
@DogLover Good!
@tchrist I would say no.
 
 
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Martin AJ
Martin AJ
3:50 AM
which one is correct?
- I reject them all
- I reject all of them
 
The Raiders of Las Vegas
The Raiders of Las Vegas
I reject them all
 
Martin AJ
Martin AJ
thx :-)
 
 
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tchrist
tchrist
5:00 AM
@MartinAJ Either.
 
Martin AJ
Martin AJ
thx
 
The Raiders of Las Vegas
The Raiders of Las Vegas
Strange results^ @tchrist
 
 
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Dog Lover
Dog Lover
7:08 AM
Hello everyone. I'm fairly sure it will be a duplicate question, but I don't have enough time to search. Does anyone have a simple explanation of why we say "a friend of Bob's" instead of "a friend of Bob"; and "a friend of his" instead of "a friend of him"?
It definitely sounds better, but it seems to be a double possessive.
 
 
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RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
10:14 AM
Justin Bieber. Not "Beiber".
You don't get to shit on people if you can't even get their name right.
*flag dismissed*
*user blocked*
 
 
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user288256
11:38 AM
@DogLover I found this:
 
user288256
9
A: "A friend of Susan" vs. "a friend of Susan's"

Barrie EnglandA friend of Susan’s is a double genitive, which has been a feature of English grammar for centuries, and it is the normal alternative to one of Susan’s friends. Just as most people would say a friend of mine, rather than a friend of me, so a friend of Susan’s, rather than a friend of Susan, would...

 
Dog Lover
Dog Lover
11:56 AM
@Ghalib Thanks
 
terdon
terdon
@DogLover i) actually, as you can see here, a friend of Bob's is more common. That said, I also would say a friend of Bob's and not a friend of Bob.
ii) A friend of him doesn't make sense to me since I read a friend of his as equivalent to a piece of cake, if that makes sense.
But it will take one of our resident linguists to put it better than that.
 
 
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Gigili
Gigili
1:06 PM
@RegDwigнt Is there a single word to describe someone who doesn't get to shit on people because they can't even get their name right.
 
 
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Mitch
Mitch
2:57 PM
@tchrist short explanation of some AmE/BrE -ise/-ize differences similarities:
essentially americans use -ise when it's part of a larger lexeme and not the 'do it' suffix
 
user288256
3:28 PM
Today is the first day in like four-five months that I could take a nap without a fan.
 
user288256
The weather is pleasant I mean.
 
user288256
After, those, frigging, five, months.
 
user685252
user685252
3:49 PM
@Gigili ignorant
 
Mitch
Mitch
4:29 PM
@Ghalib Is it expected to get better from now on or is this just a transient respite?
 
user288256
@Mitch Definitely just a transient respite. I'm speaking from experience. Still a blessing.
 
user288256
It also means the toughest months are behind us. So, it won't be very bad from now on.
 
user288256
@Mitch What about there? Which months do you find harsh or annoying there? I am guessing winters for you?
 
user288256
Do you have Bobcats in your area?
 
user288256
We don't have them here. I was just curious. We get a rat or two at home sometimes, I mean those things that are bigger than mice. They are a nuisance.
 
user288256
4:42 PM
I dislike mice, rats and dogs in real life.
 
user288256
I don't mind cats. Although I never think about getting any, since I don't want to have pets.
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
5:28 PM
Cats are cute rats that cry like babies and use your house as a toilet.
 
terdon
terdon
@MetaEd Babies are cute rats that cry like cats and use your house as a toilet.
Speciest.
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
@terdon I admit it. I prefer babies. Besides, what cats do is dishonest.
@terdon Technically, cats are brood parasites.
 
Sayros
Sayros
Hi all
 
terdon
terdon
@MetaEd Ha! Hardly. Parasites I'll grant you. And blood thirsty predators too. And sadists.
 
user288256
Hello
 
terdon
terdon
5:43 PM
Still more fun than babies.
(I like kids, babies are boring)
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
@terdon How are they not brood parasites?
 
terdon
terdon
@MetaEd They raise their own young.
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
Yes, that only means they are not always brood parasites.
@terdon Cats are brood parasites in the sense that they inveigle themselves into human nests by impersonating human babies.
 
terdon
terdon
@MetaEd You obviously live in a city with few strays.
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
And as you point out, they don't even leave the nest when they are adults. They can live in the nest brooding their own young for more than ten years.
 
terdon
terdon
5:47 PM
Actually, cats will kick out their young as soon as they grow old enough. It's quite vicious to watch.
They don't want the competition.
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
@terdon As I say, they are not always brood parasites. They are capable of nesting on their own.
It's not a cooincidence that a cat sounds like a crying baby.
 
terdon
terdon
@MetaEd It does?
They do sound like a dying pig when they're fighting, but never quite as hair-raisingly harrowing and nails-down-the-blackboard awful as babies.
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
 
terdon
terdon
@MetaEd And how is that different from what babies do? They're far better at it too!
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
@terdon Who says it's different? I'm only saying it's parasitic.
 
terdon
terdon
5:53 PM
Oh sure, parasitic I gave you from the beginning.
9 mins ago, by terdon
@MetaEd Ha! Hardly. Parasites I'll grant you. And blood thirsty predators too. And sadists.
> Like babies, domestic cats are “completely dependent on us for their survival,” says C. A. Tony Buffington, a professor of veterinary medicine at The Ohio State University, who was not involved in the study.
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
And of course I have my favorite lap cat. It's not like I'm immune.
 
terdon
terdon
Is this for real? The guy's initials are C.A.T.?
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
His initials are TB.
 
terdon
terdon
@MetaEd Don't spoil it!
Although if you're going to be precise, I guess they're CATB.
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
@terdon No, you're right. Charles Anthony "Tony" Buffington.
So technically his initials are "CAB".
And goes by @DrBuffCat, evidently.
 
terdon
terdon
5:56 PM
Oh man. . .
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
Don't google buff cat.
 
terdon
terdon
Yeah, don't think of a pink elephant.
Hang on, all I get are cute kitties. All good.
Ah no, google gives some strangeness,
By the way, is buff for muscled BrE or is it also common in AmE/CnE
(whatever the abbreviation for Canadian English is)
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
It's definitely a part of AmE
Can't speak for the canucks.
 
terdon
terdon
OK. BrE too, I think. At least, I'm pretty sure I first heard it in the UK.
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
Way to circle back to topic.
 
terdon
terdon
6:00 PM
:)
 
user288256
"I <fill in the blank> the goat". As in hunting etc. Can I say "knifed"? Or does it have only negative connotations?
 
terdon
terdon
@Ghalib How could it have positive connotations? You're hunting it, so it can't be very pleasant for the goat.
What are you trying to describe? The act of hunting the goat or the act of killing it?
If you knife the goat, you are inserting a knife into its body. But it isn't often used that way for animals. You would knife a person but slaughter/kill an animal.
Not that using the verb to knife when talking about an animal is wrong, it's just not the common way of putting it.
 
user288256
@terdon Erm. Actually we have this holiday, it is called Eid-ulAdha (Islamic) where we sacrifice animals like goats, sheep, cows etc. So, sometimes I "____" the goat my own hands.
 
user288256
I don't know what word to use. I don't want to say "sacrifice" because then the listener won't know the difference between me and someone who gets another person (usually is the case) to do it.
 
terdon
terdon
6:15 PM
If you are killing the goat as part of a religious ritual, you are sacrificing it. That doesn't imply it needs to be someone else.
But you can always say kill.
So, both I sacrificed the goat myself or even I sacrificed the goat with my own hands would work. So would I killed the goat myself/with my own hands.
 
user288256
Okay, thanks. I would rather not use "killed" there though. It is not "killing" to us. We are following the tradition of Prophet Abraham here.
 
user288256
I mean in a sense it is killing I know.
 
user288256
"Zaba" is word I use to describe what I want to say but the closest I have in English is "sacrifice".
 
terdon
terdon
@Ghalib The one who almost killed his son, yes.
But OK, use sacrifice. That works.
It seems about perfect, really.
 
user288256
"Zaba" means the act of knifing or killing an animal with a knife.
 
user288256
6:22 PM
@terdon Okay, cool.
 
terdon
terdon
@Ghalib Sacrifice means the act of killing something for a god. Seems perfect.
 
user288256
I see.
 
user288256
Okay.
 
user288256
@terdon On the orders from God. But that's another debate I guess. :)
 
terdon
terdon
@Ghalib Which makes it far, far worse, not better but yes. Another debate, and my apologies for starting it.
 
user288256
6:24 PM
I think the same thing in Jewish religion but not sure about the wordings.
 
terdon
terdon
@Ghalib Yes, all three of the Abrahamic (Islam, Christianity and Judaism) religions share that one. As they share most things. And yet still manage to kill and hate each other. Sigh.
 
user288256
@terdon Yeah, it is sad. You are right.
 
user288256
@terdon Nah, it is fine. You are good. Well, I am not a professional scholar but what I think that act (almost killing the son) shows is obedience to God. When you hear that story since you are very little (3-4 years old, as I did) it kind of sinks in and makes sense.
 
user288256
Also, I don't mind. I know it sounds nonsense to people.
 
user288256
The orders from God was not to kill the son. The orders were to do as I (God) say.
 
user288256
6:32 PM
And that order took that form in that particular case because it was a Prophet. You and I can't do or think about doing it. It is different for them.
 
user288256
*He says (not I)
 
user288256
sorry typo above.
 
Mitch
Mitch
6:46 PM
@Ghalib OK, so the peak is past. Here the peak is in August but July is often just as bad. This week is also a weird cooler time for us (10F less than usual), but I expect it to really warm up next week.
@Ghalib lately the winters here haven't been so bad, almost temperate. The expectation is that they'd be cold and lots of snow (15F), but for the past couple of years it's been around 25-30 for Jan/Feb and hardly any snow at all (but that could just be random variation.
 
user288256
@Mitch I see.
 
user288256
Ok. I misread that at first. I thought you meant 10 F i.e. -12 C
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Ghalib Not that I know of. Every so often (every other year) a black bear gets really lost and shows up in the general area and animal control come and 'take care of it' (pick them up and drive them back north? a hearty stew? I don't know)
@MetaEd Cats are cut rate rat catchers
 
user288256
@Mitch 15 F is pretty cold.
 
Mitch
Mitch
Rat catchers use cut rate cats to root out cat-rated rats as a cutrate rat-catcher crutch
@Ghalib it's much worse north of us.
and even worse north of them
The things we complain about are unnoticeable to those north of us
 
user288256
6:54 PM
What's "cut rate cats"?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@MetaEd If you kill the queen, the hive heaves
@Ghalib Cats whose rate has been cut. Cut rate = cheap
 
user288256
oh okay. Got it.
 
Mitch
Mitch
OK give me another. I want to annoy the crap out of @M.A.R. when he comes back.
 
user288256
Give you what exactly?
 
user288256
A word puzzle?
 
Mitch
Mitch
6:58 PM
some nouns
 
user288256
A cat?
 
Mitch
Mitch
and adjectives
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Ghalib Why do you not want to say "kill"?
 
Mitch
Mitch
like pig or vicious or baby
@MetaEd Sacrifice sounds too metaphorical.
That's sort of a not-reason.
Also, I need a verb
a verb, a noun, and an adjective
not necessarily in that order
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
Mad-libs?
 
Mitch
Mitch
7:00 PM
'cat' is out
@MetaEd sort of.
not really
Dr. Seuss-libs
 
user288256
@MetaEd Because it has negative connotations in the context I want to use. I think of it as a sacrifice not killing. There is this word that I am used to using "Zaba" (it is transliterated version I don't know the correct spelling) But, yeah, I can use "killed" for the meat I buy from the butcher's shop normally, for example.
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
verb = defenestrate; noun = fiddle; adjective = dull
 
Mitch
Mitch
'Sacrifice' fills what you want exactly in English
@MetaEd Excellent, thank you.
hm...fiddle hasn't been done before but it is very close to what has been done before.
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Ghalib Perhaps "kill" is more value-neutral than you think.
 
Mitch
Mitch
whatevs
@MetaEd kill is pretty value-directed
"I just killed this entire swarm of wasps" "Excellent. Soup anyone?"
 
user288256
7:04 PM
hah
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Mitch I'd say not. Not like "murder" (which basically means "killing + illegal") versus "execute" (which generally means "killing + institutional").
 
Mitch
Mitch
Also I need an animal. But I choose 'pig'
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
It's understood that killing is violent, but that's not a moral issue. It's value neutral.
Then there's "slay".
 
Mitch
Mitch
@MetaEd you're thinking 'killing + food animal = butcher' or 'killing + stock market analyst = profit'
@MetaEd You're killing me
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
slay = slaughter, that's another word we use
 
user288256
7:07 PM
But when we have words like "ritual slaughter" and "sacrifice" then why use "kill"? You are right "kill" is not always bad I guess? But usually is.
 
user288256
There is this "oblation" word. I can't use that one here I guess.
 
user288256
@Mitch Heh. Do you like "pigs"?
 
user288256
Nothing wrong with getting one I guess.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@MetaEd Whittle a dull fiddle to fit a lad's little waddle
Your defenestrate can go jump out a window
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Ghalib "Kill" is generic. We use it even in positive contexts such as "mercy killing".
 
Mitch
Mitch
7:11 PM
You'll def defer a draft for a deaf duffer
named Fred obviously
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Ghalib Consider you can have "mercy killing" but you would never have "mercy murder".
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Ghalib usually
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Mitch How about "intercourse" (v) as in "intercourse the penguin".
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Ghalib They're cute and smart and are like people.
In the movies
In real life I'd think they're a lot of trouble to keep as a pet
@MetaEd The circumstances would have to be pretty special
@MetaEd as an even more neutral term for kill?
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Mitch True. I might do the deed in order to keep you from doing it and going to prison.
 
Mitch
Mitch
7:13 PM
@MetaEd thanks
I think
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
That would be a mercy murder, I suppose.
 
Mitch
Mitch
you shouldn't have
really, you shouldn't have. now the guy is dead
and you're going to prison
and all you have is intercourse
whatever that is
I don't think involving penguins is a good idea
 
user288256
@MetaEd I guess that's where the belief or faith part comes. I know in the west "Mercy killing" is a thing but here it is not allowed (I mean in Islam it is more than illegal it is a grave sin). I'm not very religious btw. Just know stuff and follow some stuff.
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
The opposite of outercourse.
 
user288256
I don't understand that part myself clearly. I mean do we let the person suffer?
 
Mitch
Mitch
7:16 PM
@Ghalib euthanasia of humans (if that's what you mean by mercy killing) is pretty controversial here
 
user288256
I can't answer that I guess.
 
user288256
I mean I will have to look for answers. Or ask an Imam etc.
 
user288256
@Mitch Oh okay.
 
Mitch
Mitch
but mercy killing for animals is much less controversial, putting them out of their misery is what they call it. I'm pretty sure that's OK in cultures that tend to be Islamic.
 
user288256
I know from the knowledge I have. I don't believe in internet when it comes to Islamic rulings.
 
user288256
7:17 PM
So people could have different opinions. I don't know.
 
Mitch
Mitch
s/Islamic rulings/anything/g
wiktionary is the worst
 
user288256
what's "s" and "g" there?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Some silly affectation No doubt a highly respectable tradition.
 
user288256
Morning Cerberus.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Good evening.
 
user288256
7:22 PM
How is it going?
 
user288256
@Mitch By the way, my way of asking a question like "what's "s" and "g" there?" is fine right? Hope it doesn't seem direct.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Ghalib more computer stuff: it's a sed command to change all occurrences of 'Islamic rulings' to 'anything', implying that your sentence should be:
"I don't believe in internet when it comes to anything"
haha because internet dumb
 
user288256
@Mitch Ah okay.
 
user288256
Yeah, it looked programmy.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Ghalib It's perfectly fine informal English with just the right kind of 'error' that only an informal native speaker would make.
"What are s and g there?" or "What're s and g there?"
 
user288256
7:25 PM
I see, cool, thanks.
 
user288256
Yep.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus nods along with that silly affectation where one touches ones forehead and flips ones wrist around a few times
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
That affection I am unfamiliar with.
 
user288256
@Cerberus By the way, who do you mean by that comment? I mean "Some silly affectation" part.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I was pretending to censor myself.
 
user288256
7:29 PM
I see.
 
user288256
But "affectation" means behavior, speech, or writing that is artificial and designed to impress. So I didn't see any affectation there.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
The line is supposed to simulate text that you have struck through.
@Ghalib I did! Oh, neither did I.
 
user288256
okay. =)
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I think Mitch sees it...
 
user288256
It is cool. You are good.
 
user288256
7:32 PM
But when I talk about anything religious on the internet I never know when I am being made fun of. So I asked.
 
user288256
=)
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Maybe you shouldn't be overly sensitive!
If you're a believer, then surely your belief can't be "damaged" by some joke someone you barely know on the Internet made?
Besides, the affectation was Mitch's.
 
user288256
Oh, I already said I don't mind (to terdon). I was just asking you for clarification. Not, that I would have been angry etc.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Good.
 
user288256
Of course.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
7:34 PM
So in that line I answered your question: the way Mitch used this computer language in English is an affectation.
 
user288256
Makes sense. Thanks for the answer.
 
user288256
@Mitch But I like the concept of "euthanasia". So, this is what happens here. If a person is on a ventilator and their family can't afford it or the person is taking too long to recover or there are no chances etc. then the family member can tell the doctor or whoever in charge to pull out the plug. That is quite common.
 
user288256
So, that is one example that I can come up with that is kind of like "euthanasia" in a sense but not exactly, no.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Ghalib That seems only logical.
 
user288256
Yeah, true.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
7:45 PM
But why would that not be euthanasia?
 
user288256
I mean what choice can they have?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
(Although "can't afford it" is different from the other reasons...)
 
user288256
@Cerberus I don't know. I wouldn't call it "euthanasia" I guess.
 
user288256
@Cerberus Yep.
 
user288256
But I am confused. Sounds like euthanasia.
 
user288256
7:48 PM
So you could be right.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
It's typical euthanasia, I would say.
 
user288256
I see.
 
user288256
Yeah.
 
user288256
@Cerberus But if a person is very poor then they are sent back home. So, instead, some just tell the doctor to end it. Quite sad, but the only solution in that case I think.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
8:06 PM
Sad indeed.
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Mitch define(`Islamic rulings',`anything')
I think is the equivalent in m4
Except space is not valid in an identifier.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Ghalib So what then is mercy killing and why is it so bad in comparison to 'pulling the plug' on someone who is dying?
@Cerberus bowing to the king? tipping the hat but you have no hat so you make the hand movement like it? you tube is not helping me find a good picture for you
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Mitch In the abrahamic tradition, blood is a sacred fluid and it's a crime to spill it.
@Mitch If only Cain had given Abel cancer or something.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus also the affectation was sarcastic (which is also an affectation)
@Cerberus The fact that you use language to communicate is an affectation. Human's are so full of themselves, with their words and meanings and stuff like that.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Ah, indeed.
 
Mitch
Mitch
8:15 PM
@MetaEd m4? is that one of them 'macro' languages?
@MetaEd Caincer
forced to listen to puns. the horriblest of tortures
@MetaEd So you have a bowl full to the brim with blood you're carrying across the farmyard. your brothers are throwing a baseball back and forth across your path. a cat is walking in and out of your legs while you walk. A barrel of marbles just tipped over rolling thousands of them in your way. and you're a little dizzy with fatigue from rolling down a hill inside a washing machine.
Really, is that a crime?
 
user288256
@Mitch I don't know. Can't say.
 
user288256
Those are broad terms and I am not very knowledgeable in the area to give you a good answer.
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Mitch Ayup.
 
user288256
@Mitch Religious people say it is not allowed. Then there is this plug thing. I am confused too.
 
user288256
F*ck it ;-)
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
8:28 PM
Pulling the plug - that lets people pretend that the person died without being killed. They died on their own.
 
user288256
I mean I have to go to bed. It is late.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Ghalib Then can you give an example of mercy killing? You seemed to think it is terrible.
 
user288256
@Mitch It is terrible our religion that's correct. But I don't know if there are exceptions or whatever.
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
If someone has blood pouring from a wound, you aren't murdering them by standing there as they die. If you press on the wound, you may be preserving their life, but then if you stop pressing on the wound, you aren't murdering them. This is the kind of twisted logic that people use when they talk about pulling the plug.
 
user288256
I wasn't bullshitting you. I just don't know much, I guess.
 
Mitch
Mitch
8:29 PM
@Ghalib no problem. we're asking way to meaning soul-searching questions before sleep. Think about puppies and rainbows and unicorns
 
user288256
@Mitch It is a grave sin, that I know.
 
Mitch
Mitch
do not think about cats
they are the worst
 
user288256
But how? Or when? I don't know.
 
user288256
@Mitch haha
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Ghalib I don't care bout the name as much as it is knowing what an example of what is so bad. (because we're not sure what it is you're referring to)
 
user288256
8:31 PM
That's funny.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Ghalib I know. Cats. Pfft
dang it...don't answer that. go back to puppies.
 
user288256
*in our religion (a typo above)
 
user288256
But too late now.
 
Mitch
Mitch
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
 
user288256
8:44 PM
 
Færd
Færd
9:29 PM
> When faced with a terminal illness, medical professionals, who know the limits of modern medicine, often opt out of life-prolonging treatment.
Not irrelevant to the discussion above.
> They want to be sure, when the time comes, that no heroic measures will happen – that they will never experience, during their last moments on earth, someone breaking their ribs in an attempt to resuscitate them with CPR (that's what happens if CPR is done right).
 

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