English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

tchrist

12:11 AM

I wish I got a badge or hat or something for +500.

RegDwigнt

12:22 AM

86 ahead of WebApps! A mere 1045 behind Arqade. coughs rather heavily

I am drunker and drunker. Will check bach in when I'm the drunkest.

(And I just misspole the "when" as "wehn" three times over, and "I'm" as "I'", and "(" as "(=".)

English is so complicated!

badass

You need a voice activated typer :D

Johan Larsson

you think it would help?

RegDwigнt

Ha.

No.

You have no idea.

Johan Larsson

it might spell everything with sch in the beginning tonight

RegDwigнt

I spent this afternoon with my brother and his wife-in-spe (what does that make me kinship-term wise?). Anyway she's from Costa Rica. And she speaks like five languages fluently. Including Spanish. So does my brother. It was fun beyond belief. You've no idea.

badass

12:28 AM

Whatever you do don't drive.

RegDwigнt

I now have 442 hats network-wide. There's no chance in hell I'm not the global leade on that account.

They better mention me rather heavily on the 2013 blog roundup. Or else!

badass

43 secs ago, by badass

Whatever you do don't drive.

RegDwigнt

27 secs ago, by RegDwigнt

@badass I am driving this keyboard across the Internet right now as we speak. Does that count? I think it does not count. Does it?

badass

OK OK go have fun pal

RegDwigнt

Haha.

Thank you.

has fun

badass

12:30 AM

:D

RegDwigнt

The grace period on Kit's questoin ends in 13 hours. I wonder who'll be getting which hat.

Or whether hats will be awarded for an automatically-awarded bounty at all.

I sure hope Kit's okay. And Mr Shiny.

I was thinking earlier today how light is easily substituted by candles, but how they must suffer from their fridge and freezer no longer working.

I do hope they make do.

And mad props at tchrist for hunting down the "where's my blah at" question.

Johan Larsson

Shiny said he got his power back

RegDwigнt

I completely and utterly failed at it.

@JohanLarsson oh is that so? Very good.

Cerberus

12:57 AM

@RegDwigнt That's a very lovely quotation.

And merry Hadesday everyone!

Robusto

1:13 AM

@RegDwigнt I didn't know we ansewred questoins on this site.

And I'm tied with @Kit for hat count at the moment. Probably because she hasn't been on lately.

badass

2:33 AM

Mars of Destruction Chat

For fans of Mars of Destruction

hat-whores-welcome?

tchrist

3:08 AM

Ode to Spam: I would like to take time now to thank everyone who sent me holiday messages via the Internet: The wishes of good cheer, the reports of family achievements in the year past, and the multiple requests for my email or bank password.

> But the holiday spam creativity award goes to a correspondent who said he was “Rainer Neske, Head of Private & Business Clients at Deutsch Bank” who offered to give me around $2.5 million if I would help him drain the account of a dead client. While the scheme is pretty familiar, the letter is in a category all its own when it comes to level of detail.

> It turns out there really is a Rainer Neske who really is head of Private & Business Clients at Deutsche Bank. However, a spokeswoman for the bank said that he: 1) did not write the letter, 2) knows how to spell Deutsche Bank, and 3) does not want to help me get $2.5 million.

RegDwigнt

He didn't even bother to proofread Deutsche Bank?

tchrist

Parently not.

RegDwigнt

In other news, parents are annoying as hell.

Not mine, mind you.

I just edited a few answers on Parenting.

tchrist

Have you accidentally progenated?

@RegDwigнt Oh. Yes, that’ll do it.

RegDwigнt

Those people will ramble on forever. And ever. And then some. And then they'll go on.

Get to the freaking point, will ya?

"My child did this my child did that and X was watching and Y said Z".

Jesus Christ.

tchrist

3:14 AM

Mothers, no doubt.

RegDwigнt

How about attending your children, for a change.

Or watching Oprah, for all I care.

tchrist

This is one of the tribulations of family gatherings with multiple contingents of sprats.

For the mothers will every one of them spend all the hours of the day and most of those of the evening recounting their offspring’s non-adventures.

And comparing.

And reminiscing.

It would all be very OCD if you could boil it down to some few nuggets of insight or experience. But it is forever too nebulous for that.

RegDwigнt

I have to wonder how many of them would be adding pix of their kids to answers and questions if they were just a bit more SE-savvy.

tchrist

Gosh.

That's an interesting question.

RegDwigнt

As a suggested off-topic question for LEGO Answers on Area 51 once said, "Look at my child eating LEGOs!"

tchrist

3:18 AM

Privacy, stalking.

People are so obsessed these days.

Innocence died long ago, sometime before God even, I reckon.

RegDwigнt

God made sure to follow suit.

Here's to God.

tchrist

I’ll drink to that.

God, they rolled out the Rumplemintz today.

RegDwigнt

Hm. My clock is broken. It says 4:20 a.m.

I think I will be going.

tchrist

Bong time.

RegDwigнt

Yeah.

tchrist

3:20 AM

Ok, good night and good morning.

RegDwigнt

May 19 at 11:23, by RegDwighт

Doctor Bong, no less.

tchrist

Medicinal.

RegDwigнt

Jan 29 '11 at 19:51, by Kosmonaut

But it's die Bong!! :)

tchrist

Stops me from strangling people.

Often.

RegDwigнt

No day without a good deed. Or undeed, rather.

Toddles!

tchrist

3:21 AM

zzz

badass

3:42 AM

@tchrist wake up !

When Mr. Turing was convicted in 1952, he was sentenced — as an alternative to prison — to chemical castration by a series of injections of female hormones.

tchrist

Yes, I know.

Everybody knows that.

badass

wtf

not me

tchrist

It’s how they “cured” queers.

By feminaziïng them.

badass

did they ever use actual castration?

tchrist

You can see how well that worked out.

Well, historically a lot of gay men have been lynched, and those ones are often castrated as part of the extra-judicial execution.

But the State, I don't know. Maybe in Australia.

badass

3:46 AM

barbarians

tchrist

And these were the “good guys”, no less.

Oh so much morally superior to their defeated adversaries.

badass

once you dehumanize the adversary ugly things happen

tchrist

And nobody said boo, because that was the law.

badass

look at what the germans did to the jews

tchrist

Turing wasn’t even an adversary; he was a hero. But that testimony/evidence/etc was suppressed due to national security.

Yea, that’s what I was thinking.

badass

3:49 AM

jews were not humans

tchrist

So then the British turn around and implement an incredibly cruel and unusual torture for one of the smartest and most important men they had, unto death.

See how morally superior they were?

badass

gays were not humans

blacks

tchrist

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.

badass

what does it mean to be human?

define human

what is a human being?

Hi @Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 glad to see the power is back on :-)

tchrist

A walking shadow.

zzz

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

3:56 AM

The power came back yesterday for me but I'd already fled the city

badass

good move

RegDwigнt

@T.E.D. When you say "someone", you mean "tchrist", of course. But this is a good point. — JSBձոգչ yesterday

Harhar.

Got my bunny ears now BTW. Yay me.

EnglishMaster

4:32 AM

CRAP

aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2013/12/…

AND THEY'VE TOLD US THEY ARE GOING TO ATTACK US VIA FAX

foxnews.com/world/2013/12/20/…

DOUBLE CRAP!

THEY ARE SO 1988, THEY COULD'VE JUST TWEETED US

EnglishMaster

6:46 AM

I think programmer and (software) engineer are different

badass

I think so too.

EnglishMaster

How?

badass

120

Q: What's the difference between programmer and software engineer?

As I was looking through some job offerings I saw that many of them require a software engineer, some a programmer and some a developer. Is there any difference between a programmer and a software engineer? Or are they all looking for the same guy that can "write code"?

EnglishMaster

Some stupid election candidate from Ulsan (City in Korea) keeps sending me text messages like "Merry Christmas" and etc, but I don't even live there

I mean, he's a city mayor candidate of Ulsan

badass

7:06 AM

and there are advertisements on stackoverflow

Jasper Loy

7:27 AM

I have never seen any ads on the SE sites I visit. Wonder how they make money then.

badass

You will see them if you go to the linked question above.

Jasper Loy

But can they make so much money from ads alone?

badass

dunno

Meysam

8:15 AM

Can "preface" be used for an event?

Damkerng T.

8:30 AM

@Meysam Don't know. I always use "introduction".

Or maybe a welcome section.

Meysam

I want to use it for an event which prepares one for the next event.

Damkerng T.

Sounds like a kick-start or kick-off meeting.

To name an entire event, I think a prelude event sounds better then a preface event.

Meysam

@DamkerngT. Thank you

Damkerng T.

np

Meysam

What's an adjective for someone who encourages you to do something.

Damkerng T.

8:39 AM

hmm...

persuasive?

Meysam

I meant, noun

Damkerng T.

motivator?

activist?

Meysam

hmm, motivator

please rephrase this: He was my main motivator for doing...

Damkerng T.

He motivated me to ...

Are you talking about a coach or a mentor?

Meysam

I want to say that he was the main one who motivated me, the most important motivator of me

yes

Damkerng T.

8:44 AM

Then, he was my mentor.

Usually, simply saying someone is my mentor, implies substantial impacts already.

Meysam

like your father, who encourages you to go to university

Damkerng T.

I'm not sure. If he explicitly act (through words or some a bit pushy actions) upon you to go to university, I couldn't find a good noun for "encourage"-er. But if he inspires you, then you could use: he is my role model.

Meysam

assuming my father has never been to university, could he be my "model"?

Damkerng T.

I guess not.

But you can say, he is my inspiration.

Gotta go. BBL :)

Meysam

Bye and thanks

How to ask a child about the job he wants to choose when he grows up? "What do you want to do in future?"

Damkerng T.

9:39 AM

@Meysam How about What would you want to be?

EnglishMaster

10:08 AM

Why would Britney Spears sing in British accent?

Damkerng T.

@EnglishMaster Which songs? I'm not quite used to her songs, at least for the last few years. It could be fun to test my ears.

EnglishMaster

Let me check

►

In this video

her accent is quite British, in my opinion, don't you think?

►

Damkerng T.

In the first video, I thought, well, maybe the notes forced her.

EnglishMaster

She was born in McComb, Mississippi and raised in Kentwood, Louisiana. She's 100% USA but why would she prefer British accent?

Damkerng T.

But in the second video, definitely an English (British?) accent.

But isn't it because she was making an impression of English accent for fun?

EnglishMaster

10:19 AM

Hmm, probably. But she tend to show off her British accent in other videos of her too. One video I remember, some reporter said "Nice British accent" to Britney, and she just ran away.

Damkerng T.

To be fair, in that song Scream and Shout, I think she used British accent when she sang in the foreground. But when she did the chorus in the background, I think she still sounds American.

EnglishMaster

I think she's still in learning process

Maybe she wants to migrate to England, who knows.

Damkerng T.

^^

EnglishMaster

^_^

Damkerng T.

Anyway, thanks for a catchy music.

EnglishMaster

10:24 AM

No worries, I like her new accent

Damkerng T.

I can loop it on my computer, and I will feel like in the club. :)

Have you ever watched the movie Brave?

EnglishMaster

Yeah, you should drink a cup of tea and some biscuit to feel Britain to maximum extent

Damkerng T.

I love that accent very much.

@EnglishMaster BTW, I think the lyric of this song I found on the web is incorrect. It should be All eyes on arse not All eyes on us. ^^

EnglishMaster

lol

Can I see that lyric?

Damkerng T.

Just Google: scream and shout lyric

You will find plenty of them. I took a look in sing365.com.

EnglishMaster

10:35 AM

It sounds like "all eyes on ass"

Damkerng T.

sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/…

EnglishMaster

Because in Britain ass sounds like us

Damkerng T.

Yup

And arse would be a proper spelling in the UK. ^^

EnglishMaster

oh ^_^, you are so accurate

Robusto

12:31 PM

@EnglishMaster It may sound like you, but not like us. BrE ass sounds to my ear more like it rhymes with your pass ("pahss") than it does with pus.

Johan Larsson

I need a name for a class, MethodInfo is already taken, want something similar

MethodDescriptor feels too long

maybe MethodData but it feels so generic

badass

MethodStructure

Johan Larsson

also generic but ty ty

gonna use ComMethod

it is for exploring COM apis

Anonymous

@JohanLarsson What is the difference between the two? Ideally the difference in their names would communicate that difference, at least in part

Anonymous

So rather than looking for a similar name...

Johan Larsson

12:39 PM

they will be very similar, ComMethod will be ok

Mitch

1:13 PM

@Meysam The classic question is "What do you want to be when you grow up?" With the expected answer a doctor/a fireman/a rock star. "What do you want to do ...?" sounds like you 're asking about a particular one-time event like climbing Mt Everest or curing cancer.

badass

1:25 PM

When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I
wrote down “happy”. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment. I told
them they didn’t understand life.” – John Lennon

Damkerng T.

I wish I could star the same message again, and again, and then some!

badass

I like that one too :-)

Damkerng T.

When I was a child, I was asked that question too. And my answer was "a good man". :)

badass

nice

Damkerng T.

I'm not sure I am. But I hope that I'm qualified to some extent.

badass

1:34 PM

one can never be completely sure of such things, imo

Harvest that sucka!

Robusto

How do you drink a biscuit?

badass

how?

Robusto

14 mins ago, by badass

one can never be completely sure of such things, imo

3 hours ago, by EnglishMaster

Yeah, you should drink a cup of tea and some biscuit to feel Britain to maximum extent

I'm just wondering how to drink a biscuit, because clearly I have never felt Britain to maximum extent.

badass

1:51 PM

are you british?

Robusto

Do I look British?

badass

@Robusto lmgtfy.com/?q=Do+I+look+British%3F

:-)

Damkerng T.

@Robusto You look like dream. :)

Robusto

そうですね。

badass

lol

Damkerng T.

2:03 PM

subarashii desu

Jasper Loy

2:15 PM

@EnglishMaster Ass and arse are two different words.

@Robusto You can put it in some hot chocolate and drink it when it gets soft.

Meysam

2:54 PM

@Mitch Thank you

EnglishMaster

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RegDwigнt

So I edited out spam on this GL question, only to get an interesting pointer to this:

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A: Should Spam posts be edited?

This was recently brought up at the Super User Meta also. Why shouldn't we edit spam posts?: Usually spam is easy to spot, and gets removed very fast. 6 spam flags deletes the post. Moderators can easily see (or search for) the links posted by spammers, and can blacklist sites once it is pos...

Looks like we've been going our own way on ELU all this time.

Hm.

Thoughts?

I for one really hate bumping into spam, even if it's "deleted".

Ah man, a fellow mod nuked that GL question already. I hoped I could show it around first. Wevs, it doesn't really matter anyway. It was spam. Think spam.

Jasper Loy

3:11 PM

@RegDwigнt I think it should not be, editing just bumps it.

EnglishMaster

Arse & Ass

How different are they?

Jasper Loy

They are pronounced differently.

RegDwigнt

@JasperLoy but editing only bumps the question, and only if it hasn't been deleted.

We are talking deleted posts here.

Normally what happens is that a question has 12 answers sitting there for years, and then one fine day a spammer posts a 13th.

It is usually deleted within minutes.

But it is still readable to 10k users.

More to the point, the question has already been bumped at that point. By the answer itself.

So what happens is that people do see the question, and go out to check the new activity, and the 10k then do see the spam answer, just with a different background color.

Certainly their time is better spent on other things?

Gigili

Speaking of edits, I dislike this edit @Reg

Hellow, BTW.

RegDwigнt

@Gigili looks more or less okay to me. Except perhaps for the entire phrase in italics, we use quotation marks for that. Apart from that, is there anything specific you didn't like?

Jasper Loy

3:17 PM

@RegDwigнt I am fine with the italics too, I usually do it this way myself, and Barrie likes it too.

RegDwigнt

Italics are fine for single words or very short phrases. For longer phrases within a sentence, quotation marks are far more appropriate.

Gigili

What you said, plus I don't seem to understand why half of the quotation was deleted. To make it shorter? It provided more context after all.

RegDwigнt

Besides, that's the formatting we happened to settle on a few years back, so more than anything else I am after consistency here.

@Gigili I think the first couple deleted sentences are really unnecessary. However, I would add back in the last two: "Mr.XXXX had experienced an apoplexy ... we went to visit him." Because otherwise it is not clear who the "he" is with which the quote begins right now.

Of course it is not really necessary to know that, but I think that sounds like a compromise, no? :)

Gigili

Umm, I think the edit was unnecessary, not the first couple sentences.

Jasper Loy

You can always roll it back.

RegDwigнt

3:22 PM

I don't think you should. That's just starting an edit war.

Gigili

There are lots of ugly posts on main which are in need of an urgent edit.

RegDwigнt

Then get cracking!

What are you still doing here?

Gigili

Don't mess with my posts!

I am writing my proposal right at the moment

Jasper Loy

If you think they are ugly, just edit them, QED.

Gigili

I was, actually. Then that weirdo edited my question and I got distracted.

RegDwigнt

3:26 PM

Too late. I've just messed with your post myself.

Sioux me.

But now I'll go eat some cake.

Gigili

You're an exception.

I'm out of here.

Toodles

Damkerng T.

3:38 PM

I've listened to Scream & Shout maybe 50 times already today. :)

Is there any specific term for this kind of trick Britney seems to do?

Jasper Loy

@DamkerngT. Hi, kap kun ka, lol.

Damkerng T.

:)

Jasper Loy

@DamkerngT. Check the word earworm.

Damkerng T.

Oh, I mean when she said (or sang) one thing, but made it obvious that she actually wanted it to mean another thing.

Like in another song of hers: if you seek Amy tonight

I think it might be called a pun. But there might be a better word (or words) for that.

@JasperLoy Earworm is a nice word. Thank you.

Meysam

4:01 PM

Is it correct to say he was too stringent?

Or he was sometimes stringent

badass

**stringent:** (of regulations, requirements, or conditions) strict, precise, and exacting.
"California's air pollution guidelines are stringent"
synonyms: strict, firm, rigid, rigorous, severe, harsh, tough, tight, exacting, demanding, inflexible, hard and fast
"stringent regulations"

@Meysam You decide from the above definition whether the "too" can be used :-)

This is how you learn on your own.

By learning how to make these decisions.

Note the list of synonyms...

...can you replace stringent in 'too "stringent"' with any of them and still have the meaning you want?

too (strict, firm, rigid, rigorous, severe, harsh, tough, tight, exacting, demanding, inflexible, hard or fast)

sometimes (strict, firm, rigid, rigorous, severe, harsh, tough, tight, exacting, demanding, inflexible, hard and fast)

tchrist

4:39 PM

What’s with all the ELL petulants on ELU this morning?

badass

they have come to visit me

:-)

RegDwigнt

Huh, just got the secret Unicorn hat on Stack Overflow.

Have I been commenting that much? Have I left any comments at all?

Damkerng T.

Umm... I hope that I am not one in those ELL petulants. Or am I?

RegDwigнt

I kept trying for Chuck Yeager on ELL, and I only just noticed that I already have it.

tchrist

4:54 PM

@RegDwigнt Either that, or time for an excursion into cybernetic entomology.

RegDwigнt

I also finally got IG88. Thank you, Kit!

Still missing the Bounty Hunter, though. And have to rely on others in getting it. Which means I can only hope, or beg. Neither option sounds particularly sexy.

tchrist

Is sounding sexy a goal?

RegDwigнt

I also have an idea for a Sockpuppet question, I think...

tchrist

If not, then don’t worry about it.

Damkerng T.

@RegDwigнt Bounty Hunter on EL&U?

RegDwigнt

4:57 PM

Well yes, preferably on ELU, and frankly, in fact there are next to no other sites where I have left solid answers worthy of a bounty.

Damkerng T.

Oh, you really don't have one.

tchrist

Plus to sound sexy you would have to attach a sound clip of your luscious Russian accent acting as a female agent in a James Bond film.

RegDwigнt

@tchrist isn't that the whole reason for the existence of this room?

Damkerng T.

I will take a look at some of your top votes answers.

RegDwigнt

Oh.

Thank you!

tchrist

4:58 PM

@RegDwigнt Possibly, but it doesn’t say that in the italic subtitle in the northeast part of the screen.

RegDwigнt

Meanwhile I guess I'll have to start working on the sockpuppet question. Annoying.

@tchrist well we don't want to be too obvious in this room do we.

tchrist

You know, “or...or...” is an ancient construction no longer current in English but present in various other Western tongues.

RegDwigнt

Russian.

tchrist

We used to use it that way.

RegDwigнt

French.

tchrist

4:59 PM

Oh, it’s still current in Russian? That explains everything.

French is sexy, too.

RegDwigнt

или или, либо либо

Damkerng T.

@RegDwigнt I think this answer of your is great...

68

A: Is it "despite" or "despite of"?

As JSBangs and Kosmonaut have pointed out already, despite is the way to go in contemporary English. However, despite of is not incorrect per se; it's just a bit dated. Look no further than at the works of William Shakespeare: "Grace is grace, despite of all controversy: as, for example, ...

RegDwigнt

There are two, even.

tchrist

Spanish. Portuguese.

O quieres pescado o quieres carne.

RegDwigнt

@DamkerngT. hah. Yeah I kind of like it myself because I didn't know that, either. I figured it out as I went along.

Basically I just decided to search Shakespeare.

I don't know, why.

Something told me to.

tchrist

5:01 PM

Much more slyly activist would be “O quieres pescado o quieres pez”.

RegDwigнt

The rest followed naturally.

Damkerng T.

You just have to wait for 24 hours. :)

RegDwigнt

Wow. A Christmas present! I am grateful indeed.

tchrist

I give somebody a $64 word and now they want to know what a $64 word is.

Damkerng T.

@RegDwigнt You're welcome!

tchrist

5:02 PM

I should ask them for a credit card number. :)

RegDwigнt

Or rather, greatful, as the many people keep saying whose answers I fixed across the entire network in the last couple days.

@tchrist it's an upgrade from a $32 word.

There are still some glitches, though.

tchrist

@RegDwigнt Of course. A $64 word is one that answers one of these questions:

The $64,000 Question

The $64,000 Question is an American game show broadcast from 1955–1958, which became embroiled in the scandals involving TV quiz shows of the day. The $64,000 Challenge (1956–1958) was its popular spin-off show. Broadcast history * Take It or Leave It — CBS Radio; April 21, 1940 – July 30, 1947; Sunday 10:00-10:30 PM. * The $64 Question — NBC Radio; September 10, 1950 – June 1, 1952; Sunday 10:00-10:30 PM (1950–51) and Sunday 9:30-10:00 PM (1951–52). * The $64,000 Question — CBS television; June 7, 1955 – June 24, 1958 (Tuesday 10:00-10:30 PM); September 14 – November 9, 1958 (Sunday ...

Inflation being what it is, we drop the thousands.

RegDwigнt

Smash TV was better.

Smash TV

, known as Super Smash TV on some other versions, is a 1990 arcade game created by Eugene Jarvis and Mark Turmell for Williams. It is a run and gun game in the same vein as its predecessor, Robotron (also produced by Jarvis). As in the previous game, players battle waves of enemies by using guns; the arcade version even uses the two-joystick control system of Robotron. The plot of Smash TV revolves around a futuristic game show in which players compete for various prizes, as well as their lives. Home versions were developed for various platforms, most of which were published by Accla...

tchrist

Smashing then, was it?

RegDwigнt

It's basically The Running Man with even worse graphics and with no Schwarzenegger.

tchrist

5:05 PM

There was a game show on television called "the $64,000 question". At that time, it was a very large amount of money, so it became synonymous with "the biggest question". So, a $64 word is a big word, a very good word. — Susan 2 mins ago

Susan got it.

I feel a multicollision coming on.

Should I take something for it, or just go with the glow?

RegDwigнt

Hm.

tchrist

It’s hardly better than breathable but should elicit more answers as people are just stirring from their food comas.

@Susan That’s excellent, Susan, and exactly right. I might also also note that antejentacular is nice because it can satisfy one of the formal requirements of a double-dactyl that demand that one of the lines in the second stanza be a single word pronounced sexasyllabically. To often those are mere adverbs, so antejentacular is a nice change of pace, what being an adjective and all. — tchrist 31 secs ago

Can’t I ever write something without typos in its first draft?

@Susan That’s excellent, Susan, and exactly right. I might also also note that antejentacular is nice because it can satisfy one of the formal requirements of a double-dactyl that demand that one of the lines in the second stanza be a single word pronounced sexasyllabically. To often those are mere adverbs, so antejentacular is a nice change of pace, what being an adjective and all. — tchrist 1 min ago

Damn it, I fixed those.

It cached.

Weird.

Good thing that MSO isn’t on the multi-collider.

Here's a curiosity: without looking it up, of what national origin would someone whose surname were Hutter most likely be? And what does the word mean?

Robusto

5:43 PM

Obviously some confection of hatter in German is too easy.

Wait, I do recall the name from somewhere.

@tchrist I dunno. Is it "hatter" from German?

RegDwigнt

Tchrist, what does "donde se halla" mean?

I am not familiar with that verb.

Never mind, looked it up.

Still news to me!

I'm always just está this, está that.

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