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12:00 AM
hi
 
12:10 AM
i've spent the bulk of my mathematical chat time today reminding people how totally bizarre it is that suspension spectra are harmonic
 
 
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2:25 AM
Hi @teddy!
@EricPeterson it's a noble mission.
 
 
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4:39 AM
Hey y'all, just checking but the space $BGL_1(S)$ is a Kan complex and is equivalent to the $\infty$-groupoid $S$-line of ABGHR, right?
 
The equivalence statement is correct, and as far as the fibrancy, well, you can choose your model of $BGL_1(\mathbb{S})$ to be fibrant.
 
5:30 AM
yeah man, being a Kan complex isn't a model-independent condition
 
6:02 AM
i think mathcal looks terrible. i find mathcal'd versions of letters too hard to distinguish from their ordinary versions. i never use it myself
i use \text and only \text for names of categories
and i think there's no reason to stick to one letter. \text{Sp} for spectra and \text{Space} for spaces
 
 
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8:44 AM
I think they're fairly distinct, especially if you use the usual ones
of course, \mathcal sometimes means \mathscr, i.e. genuine script
 
9:41 AM
I like \text{Spc} and \text{Spt}.
 
 
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1:39 PM
When typesetting names for categories, I usually write $\mathsf {Cat} $, $\mathsf {sSet} $ etc. I think it looks good, but I haven't seen many others who use this font.
 
 
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4:02 PM
in higher algebra, when Lurie uses Map_C(A,B) for C a quasicategory, is there any particular model of the mapping space he is talking about?
 
4:51 PM
Question: What is the relationship between the plus construction on B(\Sigma_n \wr U(1)) (the wreath product of the symmetric group and U(1)) and the space BU(n)?
 
5:02 PM
@user101036 Even if there is, surely he doesn't do anything that depends heavily on that choice, so you might as well take it to be the good one: Namely, the one presented by the twisted arrow category
 
@AaronRoyer Hear, hear!
 
@ClarkBarwick Yes, I have officially been converted, and it's thanks to you and your clan.
 
Dang ol' bourbon drinkers.
 
Now if only there was a similarly elegant way to extract mapping spectra from a stable quasicategory...
 
@AaronRoyer That sounds like a challenge.
 
5:08 PM
@ClarkBarwick It was meant as one!
 
So the idea would be to construct some kind of family version of the twisted arrow ∞-category with the property that for ever pair of objects x and y, the fiber is itself an excisive functor $\mathbf{Top}^{\mathrm{fin}}_\ast \to \mathbf{Top}$.
 
If we see spectra as excisive functors $S^{fin}_*\to S$ and we are in a stable category then I think that the mapping spectrum from $X$ to $Y$ is the functor $S\mapsto Map(X,S\otimes Y)$
I may be confusing left and right here
 
That'd be one option. Another would be to rigidify the suspension functor somehow and then use it to exhibit explicit deloopings of the mapping spaces
@DenisNardin That'd be great, as long as you had an explicit, rigid model for the tensoring of your $\infty$-category over spaces
 
@DenisNardin Exactly. To be clear, though, you have to use the pointed tensor product. We had the same idea!
 
Not 100% surprising... :)
Then I think you can describe this as the pullback of the twisted arrow category along the map $C^{op}\times C \times S^{fin}_*\to C^{op}\times C$ given by the tensoring
I don't know if that can be encoded better
 
5:15 PM
@AaronRoyer Fair point. It seems a bit as though one wants to pass to the twisted arrow category of the "Kleisli category" for the action of $\mathbf{Top}^{\mathrm{fin}}_\ast$ on C.
Oops, and there's Denis with essentially the same thought again. I'm not needed here.
 
Is there a nice model for that particular map?
 
@ClarkBarwick I should stop stealing your ideas :)
 
@DenisNardin Why? They're awesome ideas
:-P
(Oh, and in case it's not clear: that was called humor. I'm not really impossibly arrogant. (I recently learned that some mathematicians fail to understand irony or exaggeration unless it's underlined as such.))
 
Hu....mor?
 
@AaronRoyer Hmmm ... Let's see. I guess what you're after is a fibrational model using $C$ alone. I can sort of picture something like that for certain presheaf categories and then try to restrict. That's a bit hackneyed.
@JonBeardsley Maybe I should bring back the irony mark.
 
5:32 PM
 
Indeed!
 
Things I've learned from Clark Barwick in the past 24 hours: what a Opilione is, what the irony mark is, and that $BGL_1(\mathbb{S})\simeq \mathbb{S}$-line.
One of these things is not like the other.
 
Are you calling me unfocused?
 
@ClarkBarwick That does seem like more than you should need. I don't necessarily need/want a mapping spectrum in the sense of Higher Algebra spectrum objects. In fact, I feel like it might be easier to extract a fibrant symmetric spectrum, perhaps even using some good model for the Kleisli category, as you say.
 
I think I'm calling me unfocused.
 
5:36 PM
This would just be the excisive functor you mentioned restricted to the spheres, but since you may not need an explicit choice of model for the $\infty$-category of spaces to make it work it feels to me more in line with the mapping spaces case
 
@AaronRoyer It's a good idea. My best guess for this (and as you can see, I haven't thought about this at all) would be to write down a model for a stable ∞-category with a "chosen" suspension. (Of course, up to a contractible choice this is no choice at all, but we're after models here ...)
 
@ClarkBarwick Yup, that's precisely the technical issue at hand, as I see it.
Hmm question. Does this twisted arrow model satisfy SM7?
I.e., if I pick a colimit cone and stick it in the input slot, do I get out a limit cone of spaces?
Surely I do up to homotopy, but I guess I'm asking about how good that limit cone actually is.
 
What do you mean, "how good that limit cone is"? Every cone homotopic to a limit cone is a limit cone
 
I mean are the induced maps Kan fibrations, etc
Hmm actually even "induced map" is no longer clear to me, since this thing is presented as a left fibration
Okay, my question is ill-posed, feel free to ignore.
 
5:53 PM
I don't know if this is what you're getting at, but if you take a map of the form $(p,x):(K^{\rhd})^{\mathrm{op}}\times\Delta^0\to C^{\mathrm{op}}\times C$ in which $p$ is a colimit cone, and you pull the twisted arrow ∞-category back along this map, you get a left fibration over $K^{\lhd}$, and it satisfies condition (2) of Cor. 3.3.3.3 of HTT.
Why are there so few chances to edit? I should've called the map $(p^{\mathrm{op}},x)$.
 
surely $(K^\mathrm{op})^{\lhd}$?
 
@ClarkBarwick I suppose that's about the best you could hope for, and might be enough.
 
@ZhenLin Yeah. Sorry. I ran out of chances to edit.
 
I have a totally different question that has been bothering me for a while.
Say I have an $E_1$-ring $A$ over an $E_\infty$-ring $k$. Then the topological Hochschild cohomology of $A$ relative to $k$ is $k$-linearly dual to the topological Hochschild homology of $A$ relative to $k$.
The former is an $E_2$-ring in a natural way, which seems to me to imply that the latter should be naturally co-$E_2$. However, I only see a co-$E_1$-structure coming from the fact that it's a bar construction. Is there some way to see the co-$E_2$-structure?
I feel like it must come from the self-duality of $A \otimes_k A^{op}$, but I haven't had any luck making that even close to rigorous.
 
6:12 PM
Oh boy. My office mate just walked in and asked me about "ideals of equivariant ring spectra."
 
Oop, I no longer believe what I have written here.
 
@AaronRoyer How does the duality between THH and THC work?
@JonBeardsley I mean, Smith ideals are trivial to explain in the context of ordinary $E_\infty$ algebras in equivariant spectra.
 
I had it in my mind that if you view $R$ as an $R^e$-$k$-bimodule, then it is right adjoint to $R^{op}$ as a $k$-$R^e$-bimodule. Then it follows from the description of THC as $Hom_{R^e}(R, R)$.
I am not sure I believe this anymore, though.
 
@JonBeardsley But if you're talking about $G$-$E_\infty$-algebras, we don't even know how ideal theory works for ordinary rings. Mike Hill knows what's known.
 
Ugh I need another edit. Switch the order of the bimodule labels.
In any case, since I can't write down the counit of the adjunction it's sort of a moot point.
 
6:26 PM
I can see some glimmer of duality, but I've never known something as precise as the thing you're talking about.
 
There is definitely something going on, since computationally you can see that THH is co-E_2 in more cases than you'd expect, I just now think that this is not the way to see what's happening.
 
@ClarkBarwick I think these sorts of things are perhaps more high-tech than he needs. I'm not sure. I think really what he wants is a notion of derived completion in an equivariant setting.
But I'm not sure. He works with things like Fredholme operators and stuff that I get very confused about very quickly.
 
I first noticed this when I was working with $THH^{\mathbb{Z}}(\mathbb{F}_p) \simeq \mathcal{O}(\mathcal{L}_{\mathbb{Z}} Spec \mathbb{F}_p) \simeq \mathcal{O}(\Omega^2_{(p)} Spec \mathbb{Z})$.
 
@JonBeardsley Oh, but that we have. I've described it in the model of spectral Mackey functors using ideas of Carlsson.
 
Ah okay, I'll let him know.
I referred him to Carlsson's paper, but I didn't know you had done some of this equivariantly.
 
6:33 PM
@JonBeardsley Yeah, it's not entirely written down yet, but he can write me.
 
Oh okay.
 
That really just relies on THH being a double bar construction, though, not any kind of duality.
 
Oh, I guess he's got some issues since he doesn't have compact Lie groups.
 
@AaronRoyer Right. Hmmm.....
 
He's working with Kac-Moody groups.
 
6:35 PM
@JonBeardsley That'll still work.
 
Oh okay. I'm trying to get him to come in here. I'll also tell him to e-mail you. His name is Sven, he's a student of Nitu's.
 
Do Kac-Moody groups have rigid representation theory? If not, equivariant K-theory isn't homotopy-invariant and I don't see how you expect to have spectra.
 
I haven't the slightest idea about any of this stuff.
 
@AaronRoyer Well, there are still disjunctive triples you can attach to them to get spectral Mackey functors.
 
@ClarkBarwick Okay, but is equivariant topological K-theory one of these? I feel like you still need that representations don't deform to make your excision work.
 
6:39 PM
I didn't see anything about topological K-theory in what Jon wrote.....
Did I miss a chat?
 
No, I was interpolating from "Fredholm operators"
 
I didn't say anything about K-theory. I don't know. Sven keeps talking about dominant K-theory. I really shouldn't be involved in this conversation.
I told him to e-mail you Clark. So, until that happens we should probably just let it drop.
 
Maybe I shouldn't be either until I know what's needed. :-)
 
Well now that I have a keyword I will look at Nitu's papers on the subject
 
Yeah, I'm not 100% clear about what he's trying to do. He wrote something on the board that looks like $[X,\mathcal{F}_0(\mathcal{H})]_{\mathbb{K}_J(A)}=I\mathbb{K}(X)$
 
6:42 PM
I just jumped on it because I have a project involving equivariant K-theory of crystallographic groups where I had to think some about these issues
 
Ugh what is going on with that.
There we go.
But yeah... let's move on, haha.
 
Fair enough
 
(I'd be interested in @AaronRoyer's project at some point, though.)
 
It's a continuation of arxiv.org/abs/1208.5055 I'm doing with Dan which at this point is just a bunch of calculations.
Hopefully the paper will be out soonish.
 
Awesome!
 
6:49 PM
Yeah, this stuff turns out to be pretty fun, once you get it all straight.
I'm hoping eventually we can get the story there to connect up explicitly with the one here arxiv.org/abs/1406.7278, but that's for later.
 
 
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9:24 PM
Hey Aaron, that looks like cool stuff. I'm Jon's officemate who was asking him about ideals of ring spectra
 
@Sven I'm not Aaron, but in general ideals of ring spectra are not a good idea (there are a couple of competing definitions and none of them behave as you'd expect). What do you need them for? Maybe you just need ideals of the ring of coefficients?
 
9:46 PM
I've recently been (re)learning homological algebra from perspective of (stable) homotopy theory and it's just bizarre
 
what does that even mean?
 
whoa. I just proved that something had an adjoint, in real life, by checking the solution set condition. I never thought this would happen.
(nothing in sight was close to presentable, or the opposite of something presentable, nor obviously well-powered, etc... so I really needed to check it. And it worked! Weird...)
 
well, previously I only knew the classical theory (i.e. pre-derived-category)
 
@DylanWilson i didn't even know about the solution set condition before now
@ZhenLin, oh, i see
what do you find bizarre in particular? after learning homotopical algebra i kind of just forgot homological algebra
 
this business with the derived kernel and the derived cokernel being the same up to a shift is really magical
 
9:59 PM
@den
@DenisNardin I have a simple spectrum, the 0 space is fredholm operators on a sutable hilbert space with an action of a Kac-Moody group the rest is just loops on that. I have ideals of the fredholm operators (the 0 space) that I want to extend to the whole spectrum, in a nice way.
 
Ok, but then what do you want to do with that? Assume you have a map of spectra $I\to E$ that can be identified with "inclusion of an ideal", what do you need from it?
As I said there's not a good notion of "ideal of a ring spectrum" that works in every situation, so the particular notion you need to use depends on what you want from it.
 
It's for dominant K-theory, there is no notion of a K(A)-equivariant spectrum. All my maps are between spaces
Yea, I've gathered that over the last few hours of reading. I just started thinking about this today, I'm not exactly sure what I want my ideals to be.
K(A) being the K-M group generated by the matrix A, sorry for the confusing notation
 
10:17 PM
Since I'm not very familiar with Kac-Moody groups, what kind of group is that? Is it a topological group? Locally compact? Compact?
Does it have a reasonable representation theory? If so I believe we can cook up a theory of $K(A)$-equivariant spectra
 
It's localy compact, but not compact. It looks in many ways like a Lie group, but it's infinte dimensional, and all it's non-trivial represenations are infinite dimensional
 
Uhm that may be a problem
You want a genuine equivariant spectrum or would you be satisfied with a spectrum with an action of $K(A)$?
These are fundamentally different notion
I guess there's not much hope for delooping by representation spheres if you don't have any nice finite-dimensional representation
So you probably should shoot for a naive equivariant spectrum
 
one thing, you also need to restrict to spaces whose isotropy groups are all proper
 
By "proper" you mean compact or simply not the whole group? Anyway I don't think this is going to be an issue
 
sorry, hit enter early, proper compact subgroups
yea, I don't think I need to move into the relm of spectra
 
10:27 PM
Ok, that's a good idea to have a sensible homotopy theory of $K(A)$-spaces anyway
 
im working with dominant K-theory from this paper: arxiv.org/abs/0710.0167
Yea, there may be a way of producing a notion of genuine $K(A)$-spectrum, but it won't be anything pretty
 
They seem to be doing something like that in the paper, but I don't quite understand it
They certainly consider representation spheres for the compact subgroups, but I'm not sure
Anyway I've got to go, sorry I haven't been very helpful
 
10:56 PM
Is the stabilization of the category of simplicial restricted Lie algebras known / written up anywhere?
 

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