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04:20
> Steven Prince: We need to be able to differentiate between them, them and us.
Peter Page: Yeah, I think the pronouns are really confusing.
Gary King: I don't even know what a pronoun is.
Oliver: Well, it's a word that can function by itself as a noun which refers to something else in the discourse.
Gary King: I don't get it.
Andrew Knightley: You just used one.
Gary King: Did I?
Andrew Knightley: "It" it's a pronoun.
Gary King: What is?
Andrew Knightley: It!
Gary King: Is it?
Andrew Knightley: Christ!
Interesting how they named the characters: King, Prince, Knightley, and Page.
 
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17:46
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Q: Meaning and the position of "all" in a sentence

nima All my friends answered my questions in the class yesterday. Every one of my friends answered my questions... My friends all answered my questions in the class yesterday. Each one answered my questions... My friends answered all my questions in the class yesterday. Every one of my quest...

It seems like some speakers (or teachers) accept both "All my friends" and "My friends all", but have a different opinion when it happens to the object of a sentence: "my questions all".
Nice bounty, btw, @StoneyB!
 
1 hour later…
18:57
Hi!
What is the difference between these sentences. I just want to know how does the word (still) make difference here? "She still hadn't responded to Ethan's knock" vs "she had still not responded to Ethan's knock" or "still she hadn't responded to Ethan's knock" or "she hadn't responded to Ethan's knock still." Please tag my name so it will help me to find out the answer easily.
19:23
Hey guys! Happy holidays!
Hi!
@user62015 This kind of question probably suits the main site more than the chat room. Chat rooms work best for, well, chatting. :-)
I don't mean that you can't ask questions, but I'd suppose the questions and answers to be chat-like.
About the still, it works best if you try to read those sentences aloud. If you know how to read them right, the differences would be rather obvious to you, I'd say.
Hi, I also got a quick question, my client is insisting that this is grammatically correct (for some reason, I'm not comfortable with the structure)

"We're not only car washing, We are semi detailing"

I wanted to confirm if she's right. I've suggested an alternative phrase instead.


"We're not just car washers, we're semi-detailers!!!"

let me know which one do you think is correct.
I think your version is grammatical. Their version is outstanding. ;-)
Their version gave me a weird imagery, so it's easier to remember, but I'm not sure if it's really grammatical. I don't like to analyze borderline stuff. :-)
19:40
@DamkerngT. Ah, got it! thank you for you for clarifying it
As an aside, I think even your version still needs parataxis to claim that it's grammatical.
(Some people would avoid that by turning it into two sentences. Some other folks might simply opt to use a semicolon instead of the comma.)
I see. yeah, I'm also not comfortable with my grammar, I admit it needs improvement. thank you for pointing it out
Parataxis - a new word. Good evening, @DamkerngT.!
@CopperKettle Hello!
I wonder how a rolling gait differs from a reeling gait.
19:52
Interesting. I'm not familiar with either. Are they a gait of somebody? Or something else?
No, I just wondered. Was reading a text at lang-8 and wondered..
If it's a gait of a person, I would imagine someone old.
Or drunken.
But reeling... hmm...
Me too. Probably they are alike
I think rolling hints shaking sideways, so reeling is rocking back and forth between steps, perhaps.
A nice question for ELL
That reminded me of that sketch by Monty Python
Ministry of Silly Walks!
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Watched it long time ago when MP were first aired on the Post-Soviet TV
Ahh... I've never watched MP. I've seen only some clips of the series on YouTube.
And you didn't see The Life of Brian?!
20:04
I have not!
You're a lucky man, in for a treat. (0;
Their most famous sketch is about a dead parrot (0:
Ah, maybe I've heard about the parrot on ELL before.
Yes, it's omnipresent (0:
> I tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. It's dead.
LOL!
It's pining for the fjords!
This is an ex-parrot!
20:09
Oh, ex-parrot! (Probably another way to pronounce expert!)
Oh, it's in the latter part of the clip.
A lumberjack!
Yes, and there's a lumberjack song, very nice.
Very Gilbert and Sullivan-ish (0:
> I put on women's clothing and hang around in bars!
20:18
The melody reminds me of some play by Shakespeare. I can't remember which one I've heard.
I read Shakespeare, but only a little.
Hehe! I like the last part of the clip. He bravely ran away, away!
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And chickened out
(0:
Gallantly!
"Beat a very brave retreat"
20:22
Oh, I misheard that part as "He beat a barely brave retreat".
The Recruiting Serjeant is a burletta by composer Charles Dibdin and playwright Isaac Bickerstaff. It premièred on 20 July 1770 at Ranelagh Gardens, London. == Roles == == Synopsis == A recruiting sergeant comes to a village seeking out new recruits. A countryman, Joe, living with his wife and mother, hears his stirring cry, and decides to enlist. The two women in his life seek to dissuade him, and follow him in when he meets with the sergeant. The sergeant is pleased to find a recruit, but Joe's mother begins cursing the sergeant out for trying to take her son away. This too fails to dissuade...
This is what it reminded me of
There's a nice funny song embedded in the article "Oh, What a Charming Thing's a Battle!"
The over-enthusiastic sergeant describes a very bloody battle to a recruit, and he refuses to be recruited (0:
Nice music!
Oh, I learned a new word: burletta.
yes, from "burlesque" probably
Quite probably!
That Charles Dibdin wrote some nice songs and poems..
20:29
nods -- Isn't the spelling of playwright curious?!
I hate it when Google knows what I want to buy. :-)
I search Google for different terms needed for translation, so it offers potassium fertilizer to me
(They show on the page you linked to the ads of some headphones I browsed on an online store earlier.)
and plant equipment
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That's just what I want for Xmas, a trainload of potash fertilizer and some LDPE production line
20:32
LOL OTF!
Merry Christmas! @StoneyB
Merry Christmas, Stoney! And @DamkerngT., of course!
Merry Christmas for you too! @CopperKettle
Do Thai people celebrate Christmas?
20:41
@CopperKettle I think we celebrate it differently. Some people will celebrate the occasion in pubs. :-)
Oh, I see (0:
But the sense of giving and a good time to exchange gifts do exist.
In Russia, the Orthodox church Christmas is on January 7
Oh! Why January 7? (Probably a silly question I've asked.)
Because they still use an old Calendar system
That is some 13 days in arrears compared with the generally used system
20:46
Oh! Interesting!
The Julian calendar, introduced by Julius Caesar in 46 BC (708 AUC), was a reform of the Roman calendar. It took effect in 45 BC (709 AUC), shortly after the Roman conquest of Egypt. It was the predominant calendar in the Roman world, most of Europe, and in European settlements in the Americas and elsewhere, until it was refined and superseded by the Gregorian calendar. The difference in the average length of the year between Julian (365.25 days) and Gregorian (365.2425 days) is 0.002%. The Julian calendar has a regular year of 365 days divided into 12 months, as listed in Table of months. A leap...
Russia used it until 1918
" Hence the October Revolution of 1917 is so called, despite having started on 7 November under the Gregorian calendar (25 October [Julian calendar])."
A-ha! I've heard the Gregorian calendar, but never really looked into it. Nice info. Thanks!
You're welcome!
Until Peter the Great, we used a calendar "from the beginning of the world", so at the end of year 7208 people suddenly discovered themselves living in year 1700
21:03
The number 7208 is curious!
Well, they knew nothing of the radiocarbon dating so they dated the beginning of the world by the Bible
Merry Christmas, @snailboat!
Anonymous
You too!
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. Asyndeton is actually quite common in that sort of sentence
Merry Christmas @DamkerngT. !
Merry Christmas, @snailboat!
Anonymous
(I'm not 100% positive what you mean by "needs parataxis")
Anonymous
21:38
You too! :-)
(I know it's not Christmas yet, but it will be before I get back here.)
Anonymous
It's already Christmas in a number of time zones :-)
What is the moment Christmas begins? December 25th?
Anonymous
@CopperKettle I think so
Then it has begun here 2 hours 40 minutes ago. Yay. (0:
Anonymous
21:40
So for Damkerng, CopperKettle, and Farooq, I think it's Christmas already!
Anonymous
I'm not sure about skullpatrol, since he's an International Man of Mystery
Yes, Farooq is in the same timezone (0:
Happy St. Spyridon's Day, @copperkettle! (I think I've got that right)
Anonymous
I forgot he changed his name in here!
@StoneyB Thank you, StoneyB, but I'm not so religious as to know who he is (turning to Wikipedia)
21:44
Neither am I, or do I - but I didn't see anybody Ancient and actually Russian. But I think you're also entitled to celebrate the Venerable Herman, Wonderworker of Alaska - if Sarah Palin will let you.
"On Tuesday, August 4, 1970, the 91st Congress of the United States acknowledged the Glorification of St Herman of Alaska with a speech in the Senate, and his biography was formally entered into the Congressional Record.[36]"
If you can't be Œcumenical on Christmas, when can you be?
Indeed!
Well, that was in the Nixon administration, so maybe Gov. Palin will let it pass.
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Nixon was orthodox enough for her, I guess.
21:47
Do you happen to know what Wonders he Worked?
Nixon?
Oh, Herman.
No, no idea. I guess he just lived a good life. (not Nixon)
Herman. Nixon opened China-US relations, which may make him a backslider in Palin's eyes.
Politicians have no option of being always true to some creed..
Obama opened Cuba-US relations I heard
W e l l - we'll have to see how much Congress lets him get away with.
Oh, so it's not a decision in force yet..
21:53
He's opening an embassy -- but Congress has to provide funds. And he can't end the embargo.
I see.. Embargoes hit simple folk for the most part.. but are sometimes necessary
Yes; rich folk can always find whatever they want to buy, whether it's cigars or dollars.
And the authoritarian ruler has a handy bugbear to shove off all the troubles: "it's the US sanctions that hit us", "get those dissidents, they are in cahoots with those americants that try to do us in economically"
It's the syme the 'ole world over. US-Cuba was my introduction to realpolitik: when I went back to school on Jan 2 1959 Fidel was an Heroic Redeemer of Cuba from the corruption of Batista. By May 2 he was a Catspaw of Communist Imperialism.
Anyway, I just popped in to wish everybody Merry Christmas. See y'all later.
22:09
@snailboat Maybe I mixed up the terminology (between parataxis and asyndeton).
@snailboat It is!
Anonymous
22:55
Anonymous
New baby snail!
Anonymous
I know it's hard to see … :-)
Anonymous
That's a slice of baby carrot, for reference
Is the baby snail climbing the glass?
Anonymous
23:27
Yes
is it ok to say
They married together in 2001
Anonymous
"They got married in 2001."
but it's got an intransitive usage
the dictionary lists some examles of it.
what about the use of together there?
Anonymous
Probably not that one.
They married in the summer of 1989.
Anonymous
23:30
That's fine.
Anonymous
If your earlier example were fine, which it's not, I wouldn't have offered a correction
whas the difference?
Anonymous
Together
At the age of 19 years they married together in the church of their baptism.
from Google
is this wrong?
Anonymous
It's a translation from almost 250 years ago.
Anonymous
23:33
"Is this wrong" is the wrong question.
Anonymous
It's not directly comparable.
i see
thanks

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