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1:00 AM
hello there
 
so how does this witchcraft work?
 
too much chatter
what witchcraft?
 
prntscr.com/i3phgo is what I got so far
prntscr.com/i3pho4 oh gawd I am backwards
 
Lets do it this way


lets start with open sets on the real line


Given some point a, lets call $\{x : |x-a| < d\}$ where $d>0$


the open ball around a


Ill write it this way $B_d(a)$


to mean the open ball around a of radius d


Note that this is just the interval (a-d,a+d)


its the interval centered at a having a total length d


Lets define open sets for this case:


@usukidoll are you with me so far?
 
It's a hyperbola and then I can't tell ... I got the boundary points
wouldn't the interior point be at the center which is (0,0) meep
this hyperB00LA is killin' me
 
1:03 AM
Ok hold up
what is your understanding of the definition of an open set
 
it's open if there exists an interior point.... like we can find a disc inside and there's a point in the center of the disc
 
YESSSS
OK good
 
cuz I had topology last semester... gawd it was just X_X
apparently according to my online friends I went backwards haha
 
any set that includes part of its boundary will not be open
 
complex analysis and real analysis b4 topology ;p

boundary as in there are points inside that set and points outside that set
 
1:05 AM
whats your understanding of a closed set?
 
points in S and points not in S
it's like...
we have closed if the points are outside of S. It's an exterior point.
 
a boundary point is a point where no matter how small a disk you draw around it will intersect both the set and its complement
The definition of a closed set is simple:
A set is defined to be closed if and only if its complement is open
 
like X/A is open so A is closed
 
Yes
you can have clopen sets, that are both open and closed
like the entire plane, and the empty set
 
but it seems like the hyperbola is never ending. it doesn't stop :/
'
 
1:08 AM
and as we saw there are sets that are neither closed nor open
 
mhm
 
ok
NOW we can get back to the parabola
put it up
link it i mean
 
I swear it's a hyperbola desmos.com/calculator
OH WHAT THE WHOA
 
Ok, lets examine the open part first
we need to find a point where you put a circle around it and it fails to stay inside the shaded part
 
the center
but it's like the original equation is
x^2-y^2=4
so I assumed that we are taking the parts that are going outwards
that's why I went x^2-y^2 >4
 
1:11 AM
okwait
is the shaded part the part we want to determine is open or closed or the white part
whas the problem
Is the shaded region the set we want to know is open/closed?
or the white region?
 
don't know
directions
http://prntscr.com/i3pkvs
this is the original problem

http://prntscr.com/i3pktp

this is what I graphed
http://prntscr.com/i3pkzz
WHERE ARE THOSE open/closed parts if there is just an = sign
 
Ok the shaded region is the region we have to draw a conclusion about
the origin is not in the shaded region so we cannot use that
 
from the earlier picture?
yeah (0,0) doesn't work x.x
 
We need to find a point in the shaded region that we can't put a disk around, the origin is not even in the shaded region
I'm thinking its open
 
I think it's open if we don't go in the center. Like open all over the places beyond the points (-2,0) and (2,0)
I think it's not connected because if I draw an imaginary line I'm crossing points that are not in the hyperbola
 
1:18 AM
its open everywhere
the dotted lines emphazise that the boundary there is open
 
SON OF A ... HOW?!
if that's the case then it's connected <.< where are those dotted lines?
 
like the different between an open interval and a closed interval
its not connected
 
but the hyperbola had this =
equals
 
let me make this part easy for you
 
yeah I'm getting buzzed
but it's not connected because when drawing a line the line crosses points in that hyperbola and not in that hyperbola.
there's a space of nothingness in the center
 
1:19 AM
I'm going off the graph that shows dotted lines
one second
 
nvm
the line itself is the region
 
that's how I got @_@ syndrome it's not like #8
 
so its definitely not open
its complement is open
so its closed
 
is it because the interior point is (0,0) but that's not in the region?
 
1:23 AM
its interior is empty
its just a line
it is equal to its boundary
 
OH crap forgot that... only exterior points exists for closed
so it's not connected
 
you don't have to state that one way or the other according to your directions
since its interior is empty
 
would the boundary points be only (-2,0) and (2,0) since we have points in that hyperbola and have points not in that hyperbola?
 
there are infinitely many boundary points
every point on the hyperbola is a boundary point
That is to say
every point on that dotted line in your graph is a boundary point
 
so there's a huge difference between an equation with a = and a > <
 
1:28 AM
yes
 
damn
 
pick a point on the dotted line
now try and figure out how to put a disk around it so that it doesn't touch the gray or white areas
you cant
 
so the http://prntscr.com/i3ppq0
boundary points is only (-pi,0) and (0,pi)
http://prntscr.com/i3ppl6
I think we can put a circle in between these intervals.. the center (0,0)
 
So suki I think that's all I'm going to be able to help you with tonight :)
 
I'm burned out from last night typing haha
 
1:31 AM
you should only be thinking in terms of putting circles around points, nothing else beyond that
 
it's just these x_X! left but the rest I got them x_X
my hands r fck*n sore
 
I'm sure you'll get it. Take a breather and then come back to it
 
k
thanks for the help :)
 

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