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06:28
Ok after sitting on the discussion of the dirac equation from a few days ago, i have realized that my question is actually "how do we calculate gamma matrices" @Mr.Feynman -- i have since looked into this, and i always see the anticommutation relation with the metric as well as the gammas for basic cases like minkowski metric, but i have yet to find anything regarding a general approach. i think the anticommutation relation is not sufficient? maybe i am wrong tho
 
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08:13
@Relativisticcucumber There is an infinite number of matrices that could be called the $\gamma$ matrices
the gamma matrices are a basis after all
Any linear combination of them will also work
As long as they furnish a representation of the Clifford algebra (which is a fancy way to say they anticommute like you want), they are candidates
Hello Slereah
Anyways, the one used by Sakurai is the Dirac (or standard) representation
an easy way to change them is to apply coordinate changes on the vector part
not sure what transformations you can apply on the spinor part
equivalent reps are connected by $S\gamma^\mu S^{-1}=\gamma'^\mu$
@Slereah my GR Professor uses the notation I hate the most. He puts the primes on the indexes
$g_{i'j'}$ instead of $g'_{ij}$
08:31
@Relativisticcucumber see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/… for a construction of $\gamma$-matrices in arbitrary dimensions
okay thank you that makes more sense & i will take a look at that wiki page! :D
now i finally get what u were saying about that section of sakurai ! @Mr.Feynman
whoooooo
09:01
@Mr.Feynman omg that really is annoying... I suspect this kind of thing goes along also with an insufficiently geometric approach. Since if it isn't seen that $g$ is different in different coordinate charts anyway it may feel "wrong" to put the prime on it
or a twiddle or a hat or anything ^_^
@Relativisticcucumber :)
@Amit It seems it is useful for calculations when working in components, which seems reasonable to do in a first course :P
Oh yeah working in components is good, I'm just trying to understand the psychology of insisting on adding primes to the indices instead of the tensor
I mean, if you're just talking about the same metric viewed from two different coordinate systems then putting the prime on the indices seems perfectly reasonable (if unusual) to me :P
As per a change of basis matrix $A$, it's just a different way to write $A^i{}_j$ as $A^i_{j'}$. The prime marks the rightmost index, so it's not that bad
@ACuriousMind I would argue that $g'_{\mu\nu}$ is more common than $g_{\mu'\nu'}$
oh yeah, that makes more sense in that case. Even then I would write $A^{x}_{y}$
09:13
As I was saying, for the change of basis it makes not a big difference, while for fully covariant/contravariant vectors I'll need time to get used to the notation and be efficient :P
@Mr.Feynman my point is that if you care about the active/passive distinction then you'd write $g'_{\mu\nu}$ for the result of an active transformation and $g_{\mu'\nu'}$ for the result of a passive transformation (i.e. change of coordinates)
I agree this is unusual, but it makes sense
Mh, that's another interesting way to consider that notation
Free eyesight test in addition to test of index manipulation, who can complain ^_^
I see what you mean, you want to use the same symbol as the tensor is the same. I usually write the following though $v=v^ie_i=v'^ie'_i$ :P
I mean, that's just silly notation but once again I couldn't help but rant
that's the usual way of doing it but if you really think about it it doesn't make a lot of sense because $v'^\mu$ looks like it should be the components of some object $v'$, which presumably is not the same as $v$
09:17
From that point of view it makes more sense. On the other hand, the primed notation can be bad for simple stuff
index notation just sucks very generally once you start to think about what it actually means
If I ever had to hold a GR course I would be scared to explain people index conventions :P
In Wald there is a very nice convention he chooses. He uses english letters for abstract index notation and greek ones for the coordinates index notation. Which may be confusing if you skip the 3 pages he takes to explain it and go on to try and learn some GR lol
I hate to find grammar mistakes in 10 minutes old messages and being helpless D:
@Amit What do you mean by abstract indexes? Non-Lorentz indexes?
No, basically the idea is that he wants to use indices even for the geometric versions of the equations, ones which are true in every basis. So in order to do that, he uses english letters for those. And when he actually does work in a basis, it's always with greek letters
09:23
I see
Any suggestion on how the electric field term should disappear in the nR limit here? I think there is a way to understand - in natural units - what happens or why I should neglect it (if that's the case)
@Mr.Feynman I'm not sure how you're taking a nR limit in natural units
the nR limit should be something like $c\to\infty$ or $v\ll c$, you can't do that when $c=1$
I've read your comment about the "usual trick" but I have no idea what that means
09:41
@ACuriousMind $c\to\infty$ is the galilean limit, so we're interested in the second one you mentioned, i.e. $v\ll c$. Working on the wave equations, the only nR limit I've seen is that one, that working on time indepedent equations amounts to $E\approx m$
Also because I don't know how to implement $v\ll c$ on something like e.g. the KG equation
But anyways, this is a minor issue I found playing with the equations, I'll think of it later and get back to my beloved Dirac fields
That is the nR reduction of the non-"squared" Dirac equation, that works fine
09:58
ah
@bolbteppa I forgot to reply to this, sorry. Apparently I can't recognize the result I'm talking about there. In the case of KG, the inner product was of the form $(\phi_1,\phi_2)=i\int d^3\vec{x}\phi_1^\ast\overset{\leftrightarrow}{\partial_0}\phi_2$. I'll write the final result in the case of 4-momentum to make the notation obvious.
The 4-momentum $P^\mu$ is the Noether charge associated to space-time translation invariance and it turns out that for a given $\phi$ be written as $P^\mu=(\phi, \hat{\Pi}^\mu\phi)$, where $\hat{\Pi}$ represents the action of the translation algebra on the infinite dimensional space of KG solutions.
10:43
@ACuriousMind can you please remind me how to fix the spacing when I want star d star
star being the hodge star
@RyanUnger mmmh, curly braces around the star? {\star}
hmm, that makes it really scrunched up though
$d{}\star F$
How is that?
Maybe $d{}{\star F}$ is better
Ok, no
10:59
I don't think I know any other way of controlling the spacing (you could do \mathord\star but that should be the same as {\star} in most places)
11:14
The one I tried was inserting a {} in between
is it ok to ask a question about a paper
oh no i have violated the fundamental rule
Jul 7, 2022 at 19:41, by ACuriousMind
I have forgiven far graver sins
ok so in this paper they claim that the zweibein fields are defined by the relation between the minkowski metric and a curved space metric (if im understanding correctly?) then towards the end when they are calculating the hamiltonian, they list these fields. i am wondering how these are generally obtained? does one calculate them usually? journals.aps.org/prd/pdf/10.1103/PhysRevD.27.2893
hm on second thought mb they can indeed be calculated from their definition.
Hm yes i must be missing smth bc im my calculations i only get the term inside the brackets -- not the trig component
12:32
in the particle in a 2 dimensional box, we write down $\psi$ as multiplication of $\psi _{x} \cdot \psi _{y} $, and we write the hamiltonian eigen equation $ H \psi=E \psi = (H_{x}+H_{y})\psi = E\psi $ with the potential=zero. all fine. what is then the motivation for us to write down$ E=E_{x}+E_{y} $? E is just the eigen value of the total hamiltonian right, that necessarily need not give us the sum of $ E_{x} and E_{y} $ right?
12:55
@nickbros123 The $x$ and $y$ problem are independent. The total Hamiltonian is the sum of the Hamiltonians (each acting respectively on $x$ and $y$ in the coordinate representation) and the wavefunction is the product of the the wavefunctions
In such case the eigenvalues are additive
When you write $H_1+H_2$ you really mean $H_1\otimes 1+1\otimes H_2$, $1$ being the identity operator on the respective space
if $H_1\lvert\psi_1\rangle=E_1\lvert\psi_1\rangle$ and $H_2\lvert\psi_2\rangle=E_2\lvert\psi_2\rangle$, then $(H_1\otimes 1+1\otimes H_2)(\lvert\psi_1\rangle\otimes\lvert\psi_2\rangle)=(E_1+E_2)(\lvert\psi_1\rangle\otimes\lvert\psi_2\rangle)$
Projecting this onto $\langle x_1, x_2\lvert:=\langle x_1\lvert\otimes\langle x_2\lvert$ yields $(\mathcal{H}_1+\mathcal{H}_2)\psi_1\psi_2=(E_1+E_2)\psi_1\psi_2$, where $\mathcal{H}$ is the Hamiltonian in the coordinate representation of each particle (which you called resp. $H_x$ or $H_y$)
 
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15:52
Hmm any ideas about it?
@PM2Ring hi sir how are u? It is been a long time, how is ur back is it ok?
16:09
@Mr.Feynman did u learn qft from schwartz?
 
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18:18
Is the interpretation of a cloud of virtual particles coming from standard QM perturbation theory expansion of the state $|k \rangle_{\mathrm{full}} = \hat{A}_k |0\rangle + \lambda \dots$ where the term proportional to $\lambda$ will have the creation operators of the virtual particles?
what is a creation operator of a virtual particle?
what cloud are you talking about
@Relativisticcucumber I didn't learn proper QFT other than the EM field canonical quantization yet. The rest of my first course was about either applications theoreof (radiation-matter interaction using ordinary perturbation theory), relativistic one particle QM, and the Poincaré group. In other words, that was a prequel to QFT. As per Schwartz's book, I acknowledge it exists but right now I have Maggiore, Peskin and possibly Weinberg to cover
Why do you ask?
18:35
It will just be the free creation operators associated with the relevant particle
And the first order correction in my above expansion will be a matrix element of V
18:45
We should be able to calculate the state in perturbation theory for a non-rel theory in certain cases
The correction will be $$\sum_{m,n}\frac{\hat{V} \hat{A}^\dagger_k |k \rangle}{E_n -E_m}$$ I think
The above is inocrrect but it will be of a similar form
@DIRAC1930 virtual particles are not associated with actual states created by c/a operators, they're internal lines in a Feynman diagram corresponding to a sum over intermediate states
What do you get if you just use standard QM perturbation theory to find what a free state $|k\rangle$ will be once the interactions are adiabatically switched on?
19:02
I don't know what you mean
the amplitudes from the Feynman diagrams are what perturbation theory gets you
If I use this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perturbation_theory_(quantum_mechanics) with the unperturbed state being the free momentum state $|k>$ and the interacting part of the Hamiltonian being $\hat{V}$
19:17
It looks like there will be contributions from the other particles in increasing order of the coupling constant
Can anyone tell an example of a non degenerate continues spectrum?
@ACuriousMind What do you think?
@imbAF the usual position or momentum operators in 1d
@DIRAC1930 I'm not really sure what you're trying to do
the kind of perturbation theory you're talking about looks for eigenstates of the Hamiltonian to figure out energy levels, but that's not really useful in a QFT context
all energies above 0 obviously can occur just as the state of a single particle with arbitrary momentum
there are no discrete energies $E_i$ here
@ACuriousMind an example of a discrete non degenerate spectrum, would it be that of the z component if an angular momentum?
Say if I have the free vacuum $|0>$ I should be able to calculate the interacting vacuum $|\Omega>$ just from the above perturbation theory. I'm not trying to calculate the energies, just the states. But I think I can have discrete energies in a many body system
19:36
@imbAF depends what space that acts on
the z-spin angular momentum of a spin-1/2 particle is non-degenerate
the z-component of orbital angular momentum of a particle in 3d is degenerate
@DIRAC1930 Haag's theorem says it doesn't work like that; the interaction picture in QFT is a lie
if you're trying to understand what people mean when they say that the vacuum is filled with virtual particles they mean that the Feynman diagram for the vacuum energy are "vacuum bubbles" of diagrams that have only internal lines, see e.g. physics.stackexchange.com/a/695424/50583
Hmm I think maybe it only works in many body theory then
If I have for example 3 modes, I should get something reasonable I think
or a finte number of modes
i.e. an interacting Hamiltonian of $\sum_k A^\dagger_k B_k + h.c.$ or something
for two different particles types A and B
I see
@ACuriousMind Two more questions, if you don't mind: What are the implications of the 2nd Law of thermodynamics in Physics? And also, I am asked to prove via graph/plot/ sketch that a system can never reach the 0 temperature in Kelvin. Is there such a sketch? I myself, used the uncertainty principle as to why a system can never reac 0K temperature. But I am asked for a sketch, and I have no idea
Perhaps something that has to do with Temperature and Entropy ?
I am aware of the different argumentations. But I need one, where some sort of sketch is used. And I have no clue
But what about my first question>?
Something that has to do with adiabatic and isothermal processes in a T-S diagram, showcases that
But I don't know how
I don't know what sort of sketch you're looking for, sorry
and the implications of the 2nd law are plenty (see e.g. Wiki on its corollaries), are you looking for something specific?
Reversibility and spontaneous processes do qualify as 2nd law's implication in physics?
Or more like chemistry ?
not sure what the question is
If I was asked about the implications of the 2nd law in physics
and my answer would be that the entropy can be used as an indicator as to whether a process is rev. or not
Would that qualify as an implication of the 2nd law in physics?
20:03
what's your definition of a reversible process?
I'm not sure what the 2nd law is supposed to directly have to do with this
well a rev. process has entropy change equal to zero
otherwise, if it was positive
we could revert back to the old state, which would imply an entropy drop ds<0, which violates the 2nd law
as we say that ds>0 or ds=0
@ACuriousMind I meant this kind of graph : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
But I don't understand what it means with this: If there were an entropy difference at absolute zero, T = 0
20:28
@ACuriousMind One more thing. We say that two fermions cannot be in the same state (Pauli Principle). But does the distance among them in space plays a role ? For example in 2 H-atoms, the electrons are in the same state. Right?
@imbAF that's not what we mean by "the same state"
what it is meant?
the Pauli principle is about the statement that the two electrons can't both be in the same orbital around the same atom
so location must be mentioned
when you have two atoms, the ground state of one atom is a different state from the ground state of the other
it's not necessarily about "location"
not all states are localized
20:30
@ACuriousMind two H-atoms, both in ground state, don't represent the same states?
two H atoms is two different systems, no?
why not, what's different?
at least not in the sense of "same state" that the exclusion principle is concerned with
They are different systems, yes, but the quantum nr. for the electrons are exactly the same
If i'd give you the eigenstate |n,l,ml,ms\rangle
And I'd ask you, to which of the two atoms it belongs
you wouldn't be able to tell
20:33
hm but i guess when i think of states. i think of them as a property of a particular system. hence, the energy levels (or energy eigenstates) of one hydrogen atom are utterly distinct from the energy levels in another hydrogen atom
are they?
Shouldn't they be exactly the same
why would there be a difference ?
to me they are because the energy observable is "different" between systems in that it is a map between hilbert spaces. hence, if you are mapping between different hilbert spaces the observable is distinct
e.g. if H-atom 1 is $\mathcal{H}_1$ and H-atom 2 is $\mathcal{H}_2$, then $\hat{H}: \mathcal{H}_1 \rightarrow \mathcal{H}_1$ should be identified with being the energy operator for H-atom 1, definitely not H-atom 2 since it cannot talk with that system other than trivially
Idk, to me , N H-atoms, would represent N copies of the same system, ofc ignoring interaction
but idk my understanding could be flawed :P
hm though i guess im maybe implicitly assuming stuff. given 2 H-atoms, I assume by this language that we are dealing with two distinct subsystems, one for each H-atom. Hence, an energy eigenstate of H-atom 1 belongs to the hilbert space representing the system for H-atom 1. In particular, an energy eigenstate of H-atom 1 is not a state in the hilbert space representation the system H-atom 2. So, these states are not the same.
because by "state" i mean a (ray) vector in a "system". and by "system" I mean a Hilbert space (perhaps with some other structure like accessible observables and so on)
Ok, and if I'd give you the following eigenstate : |n,l,ml,ms\rangle
To which it belongs?
20:45
i would not know :)
But, as I thought, the Pauli Principle is valid, once you introduce some regional constraints, i.e an orbital of an atom
if that is equivalent to "look at subsystem corresponding to one H atom"
which it seems so
but that is equivalent to labeling the state you presented as well i feel like
One additional thing
@ACuriousMind The interaction picture is just the Heisenberg picture if we have $H_0$. I am not dealing with asymptotic states here i.e. I am not adiabatically adding the interaction. I am just saying that $|k>$ is an eigenstate of the free Hamiltonian and peturbatively calcualting the corrections to get the eigenstate of the full Hamiltonian.
in two weeks i'll finally learn some calculus lol
20:52
@SillyGoose I am writing you my long question xD
i hope i can be of help xD i have to go to class soon :P but ill read it after for sure
I find it quite weird how we shift our perspective as to which the quantum system is, i.e in the H-atom. The eigenfuction $\psi(n,l,ml,ms)$ is the mathematical representation of the eigenstate $|n,l,ml,ms\rangle$. This should be an eigenstate of an electron. Because only electrons are characterized by the four quantum numbers, not the atom containing all the electrons.
@SillyGoose
So the system is the electron and it's eigenvector is $|n,l,ml,ms\rangle$. There is no degeneracy of the energy for an electron. It only has one value of energy. But if we shift our perspective to the atom, then the spectrum of the Hamiltonian of the atom is 2n^2 times degenerate. As you can see, the eigenstates give information about the electron (system), but the degeneracy exist only when considering the atom (system).
To me this shift of the perspective as to which is the system is weird. It would make more sense if the eigenvectors would be such that include all the building particles of an atom. In that case the eigenstate would belong and describe the entire atom, and not only an electron which is the case for |n.l.ml.ms\rangle
21:16
I think @Relativisticcucumber knows the answer to this :)
21:55
Also, a question about interpretation. Once we've calculated the corrections to the Greens function through the self energy, we are left with a propagator that has the exact same form as a free propagator just with a shifted mass. Doesn't this mean that we are describing some free theory?
 
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23:24
@Mr.Feynman there's no such thing as proper QFT :P

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