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4:31 AM
@skullpatrol hi pal
@Slereah Good Morning
 
5:01 AM
@Azmuth hi pal
@Slereah why would a physics educator want to draw attention to this?
\o @SirCumference
 
5:24 AM
@skullpatrol sup pal!?
 
chillin', you? @Azmuth
 
@skullpatrol chilin bro...
Any cool news?
 
UK is going under its second lockdown on nov 5
 
France too
Denmark, Austria too!
@skullpatrol 3+3 vaccines in testing phase.
 
yup
how's CS 50 @Azmuth?
 
5:32 AM
@skullpatrol almost over... last 2 assignments and a project
 
:O
so fast?
 
Yep. I already studied all those
Also, the AI one has few assignment and projects left, won't take more than a week.
 
Do they have any enrichment or challenging projects?
 
Depends... for beginners most of them will be challenging...
 
5:48 AM
What physical predictions have TQFTs made?
 
@skullpatrol suggest some good podcasts......
 
I don't listen to that many.
 
Series?
 
Did you watch the raging bull yet?
 
Nope...
That boxing one na? I'm yet to watch
 
5:51 AM
:(
 
No time, university study, startup stuff....
Actually, I get few hours free a week, usually I go out and walk some time.
 
Good to stay active
 
Yep... That's why I listen to podcasts more...
Ears busy even when doing some work.
 
Multitasking?
 
Yep, kind of, music related podcasts/news, sometimes stories too.
@skullpatrol Check Leviathan Chronicles... You'll absolutely love them!
 
5:55 AM
That's not good for your attention span.
 
I'm habituated to work like that...
 
@Azmuth ok
 
Otherwise the bugs and errors boil you down :P
@skullpatrol check their 2 min trailer (also on Google Podcasts)
 
will do, thanks
 
:-)
Sound effects are totally lit!
fire!
 
123
5:58 AM
Yo.. Hi all
 
@Azmuth if you break the habit you'll make less errors, pal
 
123
@Azmuth you are busy these days? Not active so much.
 
The intro got me goosebumps!
@skullpatrol That's kinda addiction :P
 
lol
 
6:00 AM
@123 Homeowork/assignment/study/startups...
I love intro sounds!
 
Scifi isn't my thing
 
life based philosophy and adventure...
@skullpatrol Philosophy actually - freedom vs immortality...
 
sounds cool
 
yep!
 
immortality is Scifi
 
6:04 AM
Yes, but You;ll see pitfalls of immortality. It is contradiction to freedown
from episode 6-7 things will become intensely cool
@skullpatrol Do you like investigation kinda stuff? crime stories?
 
even some kinds of philosophy are flaky
 
true. Agree/
@skullpatrol Check out serial podcasts too!
 
I like watching the NFL
 
Cool!
Is NFL football?
 
yup
 
6:07 AM
I like IPL!
 
American
 
wow!
 
My avatar is a team logo
 
Oh Okay!
Cool!
 
so is my username
 
123
6:09 AM
How do we get total frame mass (source mass) if we are in non-inertial frame?
Example of bus can be taken moving with some constant acceleration and seats, passenger everything having same acceleration.
 
@skillpatrol once had Demise of a Nation - Conspiracy Theory in Avatar
@123 Mass can be taken same in both inertial and non inertial frames, You've to add psudoforce to every object inside the bus...
 
123
@Azmuth This is my question how do we calculate pseudo force?
 
Object mass times acceleration of non-inertial frame of ref.
 
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Because everything inside the bus having different force to keep the acceleration same as bus. For every object inside the bus showing different force which one is pseudo force (which should be constant).
@Azmuth What object mass need to be taken bus/passengers/seat because pseudo force is different for every object.
 
@123 No!!
@123 That totally depends on the question you want to solve... Usually the total pseudo force is taken by consideration of a single object and calculating net forces on others.
But again, it depends on question.
Usually questions of circular motion require pseudoforce... it simplifies things...
 
123
6:18 AM
Does the object outside the bus to calculate pseudo-force or inside the bus, or bus itself?
 
123
So, pseudo-force is different for every object?
 
@123 Yes, a heavy and light pendulum will take different swings
 
123
@Azmuth you are always given me the link of elementary level. :D which never solve my problem. Only discussion with you guys can solve the phenomenon. :P
 
@123 no, force is same
@123 If you want advanced level Newtonian Mechanics you can check Multon's celestial mechanics
Although its celestial mechanics but covers classical mechanics concepts very well.
 
123
6:24 AM
So this the question? We are taking bus as non-inertial frame. There are many things inside the. What mass need to be taken for pseudo-force total mass bus whatever inside the bus or anything else?
 
@123 See pseudo force is same on every object which is proportional to the total acceleration of the whole body as a whole (as in this case, bus) if you are able to recover out PseudoForce for one object, you can cancel out it from other objects too and get a net neutral setup
 
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@Azmuth Thanks for the book link. I am downloading it.
 
good, it's an old classic book
 
123
I love to read old books they are much better today's book. New books omit many important ideas and insight of the topics.
 
Modern Books are good as well, they cover important topics of today's research interests (ofc depends on writer too)
 
123
6:28 AM
@Azmuth Yes you are right for new research/topic, in this sense it is good.
What is meant by solving equations? Does it mean solve the equation for trajectory/curve of moving bodies?
Like F = ma we solve this for x,y,z axes in different situations.
 
@123 find values of x, y, z lik x=2, y=5, z = 8
 
123
@Azmuth Mean we have acceleration second derivative , if we integrate over time once we get velocity then integrate again it gives us curve/trajectory equation.
Does this mean finally solve for trajectory?
 
yes shape of trajectory, not trajectory
 
123
@Azmuth yes this is what i meant say that :) Thanks
 
sin x, sin x +76, sin x + 5 are shape of trajectory, not trajectory
:-)
 
123
6:36 AM
If we have projectile motion (Oh no once again projectile but one confusion i have sorry) can we solve it using Work and energy idea?
 
No.
We can't.
 
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Because in this we take distance only in the direction of force y-asix. Not in x-axes
 
Work energy doesn't gives us the idea of trajectory using Newtonian Assumptions.
 
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@Azmuth Ahhaaaaa.. This is the limitation of this work-energy quantities.
 
Work Energy concepts are only used to avoid trajectory....
When trajectories are unnecessarily complicated.
 
123
6:40 AM
@Azmuth What is meant by that? If we avoid trajectory or what happened between two extreme points of motion we are totally unaware of anything between starting and endpoint (which we take dx in work done)
 
@123 We can still find it;s properties like velocity, acceleration, momentum without knowing trajectory using Work energy concepts.
 
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@Azmuth Hmm.. using work-energy idea we can only find velocity, acceleration, momentum only in the direction of force. What about other components? As in projectile x-component has no force.
 
@123 No, not really, we can find out the magnitude of total velocity, acceleration, momentum of the object using work energy concepts.... (although there are some cheap tricks to get components too, in some special cases)
 
123
Work-Energy idea only possible where if we place object in force field (as free fall in gravity) or giving some initial velocity only in the direction of force.
 
@123 No, it's applicable without fields too.
You'll realize the power of work energy concepts when you'll study QM using Line integrals, there are infinite paths possible for a quantum particle to reach from A to B, in such cases it's useful there.
 
123
6:48 AM
@Azmuth So, how it work. If we have work-energy equation i want to know initial velocity and their x-y components of projectile.
How can we find other component which is not in the direction of force?
 
@123 No, it doesn't gives you x, y components.... It gives you $v = \sqrt{\vec v_x^2 + \vec v_y^2}$
total velocity, not components.
 
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@Azmuth I have read QM not calculation intensively but knows idea. In work-energy we only consider geodesics.
 
@123 When you want to find the other component which isn't in the direction of force, use the concept of Kinetic Energy to get velocity of that component (although that doesn't mean that you can use work energy concepts in every situation to get different components of velocity)
@123 I'd suggest big more time with Newtonian Mechanics, you'll easily get acquainted with QM then.
 
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How it gives me total when work energy not have force component in the x- direction ?
 
@123 geodesics? It's not used in Newtonian Mechanics, it's a shape of a special case of spacetime.
@123 It gives you velocity scalar from Kinetic Energy scalar.
 
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6:53 AM
@Azmuth Ooooh i see now get other components by taking KE in this direction. great :)
Sorry there is one special name for lagrangian to maximize. It don't click in my mind now.
@Azmuth This is very important point which i lack myself. You are right.
 
@123 It's extremum (specifically to minimize), probably you mean Calculus of Variations
 
123
Yes Calculus of variation i don't remember the name.
 
It's nothing, but minimizing the first order taylor series.
 
123
Ookay. Is there any example where i can see work-energy problem like projectile force only in one direction other direction has constant velocity.
You all guys are awesome.
 
Why need an example, you can do yourself, it's easy
 
123
7:01 AM
How to organize equations $KE_y$ at which force acting let say y-axis (at which KE changes continuously due to force). $KE_x$ is constant.
 
@123 There is no $KE_x$ and $KE_y$.... KE is scalar itself...
That's why I told you it gives scalar velocity, not vector velocity
 
123
Yes that's why i confused. If there is only KE scalar and we put velocity like projectile initial velocity this is not the actual velocity in the direction of force. $KE = \frac{1}{2}mv^2$ gives us total KE of the object and under the influence of force part of velocity $V_y$ only changes not $V_x$
 
correct.
To find different components, you've to pretend that you have two objects, one traveling x axis and other y axis, the x axis one has no influence of any force and y-axis one has gravity...
 
123
if we put initial velocity $V$ of projectile in Work-done it automatically separate out y-component as direction of force by using dot product.
 
So, the total energy expression for x axis one is $T = 0.5mv^2$ and total expression for y-axis one becomes $T = 0.5mv^2 + mgh$
@123 what?
 
123
7:10 AM
What velocity we are taking here for $v^2$ term. Initial velocity $V$ at or only y-component of initial velocity $V_y$
 
for which particle?
For projectile motion, $T = 05mv^2 + mgh$, that's it, no x or y components.
 
123
You give two equations of energy this is very good and understandable idea.
for $T = 0.5mv^2$ what v is here x-component $V_x$ or initial velocity magnitude $V$
also for the other equation which is for y-axis
Because selection of coordinate axes rotation is an arbitrary choice. Here we take x-axes parallel to ground and y-axes perpendicular to ground.
Hi @SirCumference
 
@123 No, it's not an arbitary choice... you cant take velocity components and then define coordinates.
busy now... have to go off...
 
123
7:33 AM
Thanks @Azmuth
 
8:27 AM
We need a HNQ about the one way speed of light!
@Slereah would you care to write one? :P
Before Einstein and the evidence gets to it.
 
I agree sir 75 results is enough @JohnRennie :-)
 
Iirc, I once read there is more written on special relativity than any other topic in physics
 
On the SE you could presumably check using the tags.
 
9:17 AM
Also, E = mc^2 has been called the most famous equation in all of science.
 
Even though every physicist will point out that it's a special case of E² = p²c² + m²c⁴
 
9:37 AM
yes sir
 
10:06 AM
@JohnRennie that's just a specific case of $d_H (\sigma_\nu - \iota_\nu \Theta)= 0$
 
this is a matter of pedagogy
 
10:23 AM
@Slereah what equation is that?
 
@JohnRennie Noether current
 
10:36 AM
Anybody have any idea how to see $\frac{1}{2} \varepsilon^{\alpha \beta \gamma \delta} C_{\gamma \delta} = - (C^{-1})^{\alpha \beta}$ as obvious, where $C_{\alpha \beta}$ is charge conjugation for Majorana spinors e.g. $\psi_{\alpha} = C_{\alpha \alpha'} \overline{\psi}^{\alpha'}$
 
nothing about Majorana spinors is "obvious" :P
 
I can't tell you how long I've tried to get some stupid cofficients working due to using these, every answer seems right for ages until it's obviously wrong :(
Here's another 'obvious' one $\frac{1}{2} \varepsilon^{\alpha \beta \gamma \delta} (\gamma_5 C)_{\gamma \delta} = + (C^{-1} \gamma_5)^{\alpha \beta}$
 
@ACuriousMind are you there?
 
what do you do if I say "no"?
 
shrugs
I was wondering if you could unfreeze a room.
 
10:46 AM
I can - which one?
 
done :)
 
thanks a lot!! :-)
 
 
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12:08 PM
Not only is the first identity above obvious in a particular representation, the way the Majorana thing I was hoping would be fixed by changing the above was fixed a different way as usual...
 
What physical predictions do TQFTs make (if any)?
 
@NiharKarve the quantum Hall effect is described by a TQFT, see physics.stackexchange.com/a/182806/50583
 
12:53 PM
Interesting, I'll see if David Tong has something on it
Also, anybody else notice the recent influx of one-way speed of light questions?
 
1:25 PM
Hello Everyone
Feeling Heartbroken </3
Chris Gayle and Shane Whatson may leave IPL.
This was their last year.
#GOAT for a reason :)
 
2:19 PM
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helu thear
 
2:46 PM
lol why was my message deleted xDDD
it's not like anyone can actually get in a virtual van
 
Where can i find a paper that tells how pressure was first defined
 
3:02 PM
Pressure was defined? That'd be ages ago!
pressure is force per unit area
 
Yes but at beginning of every chapter I read the history of the topics
So that I can digest each and every definitions of the chapter
 
@PrateekMourya History of Science and Mathematics is your best bet for questions about the actual history.
 
Thanks
But i cant find such paper there also
 
well, if you can't find it there you could ask a question about it there :P
 
@PrateekMourya I would guess Pascal. After all the unit of pressure is named after him.
Possibly Torricelli.
 
3:27 PM
"Copy from one, it is plagiarism, copy from two, it is research." (Wilson Mizner)
 
@peterh-ReinstateMonica WOOOOOOOOOW!
Good research idea
 
I copied only from one, so I named my source
 
Copy from one, it is plagiarism, copy from two, it is research
I always knew I was a good researcher
Unfortunately the problem with the old and elementary concepts is that most of them are not even researched/cited or properly verified. They instead get evolved and are finally named with English names, Pressure as an example.
 
Plagiarise, plagiarise, let no-one's work evade your eyes.
 
YES! That's profexxionel researcher
Well, what's the 14th page of the book nearest to you has written in the first line?
 
4:08 PM
How much programming does the average undergraduate physics degree involve?
 
A lot
 
none
@NiharKarve More seriously, depends a lot on the location and the specialization. The most programming I had to do in undergrad was changing some variables in Python scripts on a lab computer, but other people who took courses on stuff like numerical algorithms of course programmed a lot more
but that's one data point from one university, I have no doubt that there are places where the mandatory curriculum contains a lot more programming
 
Could I just verify, since it hasn't been explicitly stated in what I've been reading, the tangent bundle is a vector bundle for which the rank of the vector bundle matches the dimension of the manifold, and the field over which the vector space in the vector bundle is defined is the same as the field on which the coordinate functions of the manifold are defined
 
Yes. The tangent bundle is just all the tangent spaces "bundled together", and the tangent spaces are vector spaces of the kind you just described
 
ok nice ty
 
4:17 PM
ty
Hello friend, welcome to fsociety.
 
@Charlie The tangent bundle is also a nice example of why it matters to talk about bundles - it is the trivial bundle if and only if there are $\mathrm{dim}(M)$ vector fields on the manifold such that they are a basis of the tangent space at any point. (search word: "parallelizable manifold")
this is a comparatively strong condition and there's plenty of manifolds that aren't parallelizable, so if you want to talk about "the collection of tangent spaces" in a geometric way, you have to invent bundles
 
ah this relates to the hairy ball theorem if we're talking about the sphere right
I see
 
yes, hairy balls show the sphere isn't parallelizable, and hence has a non-trivial tangent bundle
 
ok got it, that make sense
 
leave it... nothing
 
4:26 PM
A wise decision
 
while the English name is mildly funny, I like the more absurd German variant better - there it's "the hedgehog's theorem" because it shows you can't brush a hedgehog without leaving a blank spot (the hairs/spines are the vectors and the blank spot is the zero of the vector field)
 
Hedgehog's Theorem
 
I once attempted to pick up a hedgehog. It had wandered into the middle of a road and I thought I would pick it up and move it to the side where it stood less chance of being run over.
Their spines are very, very sharp.
 
Why did the hedgehog cross the road, because absolutely no one was willing to stop it
 
Any scratches on your hand?
@Charlie They don't like zebras
 
4:30 PM
@Azmuth oh yes! :-)
 
@JohnRennie Did some red water come out?
 
In the end I stood in the road blocking the traffic while trying to shoo the hedgehog over to the side.
To be fair the drivers were fine with this. No angry hooting.
 
Did it go in the end?
Ofc, drivers are too afraid to mess with hedgehogs!
They are faster than their cars.... sonic the hedgehog
 
Yes, along the side of the road is a strip of woodland, which is no doubt where the hedgehog had come from. The last I saw of it was it scurrying away into the wood.
 
There are a few here, but never had a close up look of them in my life...
They look a bit similar to mouse...
 
4:34 PM
One more karma point for me. If I accumulate enough of them I hope to be reincarnated as something higher than a physicist. A cockroach perhaps.
 
I find cockroaches very scary.... I'm just too afraid of them...
They are creepy and strange insects...
worst, they can fly
 
They make a satisfying crunch when you step on them, though it does make a bit of a mess.
 
chiiiiii!!!..... No, 5 feet apart.... that's enough romance...
 
I believe its ages long i can't find its paper
Pressure
 
Anyone seen Men In Black? Where Will Smith does steps on cockroaches to anger alien... I died during that scene.
@PrateekMourya Why you want Papers for that?
 
4:38 PM
@PrateekMourya Why don't you ask a question at History of Science and Mathematics about it if you really want to know where pressure comes from?
 
I want a paper called tretise on equilibrium of liquid by pascal
Can i ask there too?
 
I don't think you can ask them to find a particular paper, but I'm not sure. But why don't you just ask them your actual question - who first defined pressure - instead of asking for a paper that might not even answer your question?
 
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Yo..
 
@PrateekMourya here or here
Any rappers online?
 
@Azmuth this site is paid
Stack auth is so poor at tags
 
4:54 PM
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Q: Why does English language physics use so much differential equations?

enthusiastic_3d_graphics_pr...Whenever reading about some physics problem or solution, watching a physics video, seeing a physics lecture in English I see almost everybody using differential equations. It seems highly improbable to me that this is the way physics is taught in English because in my country we rarely ever use d...

looks like it needs some swift attention from community moderation
 
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@EmilioPisanty :D This guy is going on high speed vehicle without brakes... :P
 
5:10 PM
@ACuriousMind and how long ago was that?
(Sorry to pry, but I might as well refine my one current data point)
 
@NiharKarve 9 to 6 years ago, at Heidelberg in Germany
 
All right
 
(I now work as a software engineer so the lack of mandatory programming hasn't really discouraged me from it :P)
 
Yeah, I knew a few friends with parents at SAP
 
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Q: Who first defined pressure?

Prateek MouryaBefore learning any topic I always find the reason of why definitions are created for any particular topic In fluid statistics i encountered term called pressure But i cant find any reference where i can know who first defined it or why is it was defined that way that time Any help appreciated

Please see if this is appropriate i mean understanda
 
 
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6:32 PM
I am trying to understand space groups in crystallography. In Internation tables for crystallography, for a nonsymmorphic space group, they list some symmetry operations. 8 of them are listed under the (0,0,0)+ set and 8 in the (1/2, 1/2, 1/2)+ set. What does this mean? Are there 16 operations in total? How do the sets differ?
 
6:50 PM
@JohnRennie I've never heard anyone call that "satisfying" o_O
creepy seems like a better descriptor
 
7:31 PM
Hitting a slight wall in the construction of principle fibre bundles, most descriptions state that in a principle bundle the fibres themselves are Lie groups, $G$, but also that the group $G$ "acts freely on the fibres", which sounds like $G$ is acting on itself
I understand that if $G$ acts freely on a manifold $E$ then the quotient $E/G\cong G$
Do we have the same requirement as with vector bundles that locally $E$ looks like $U\times G$, where $U\subset M$ is in the base space and $E$ is the total space
 
8:10 PM
Ugh, our parking lot at work is still full of federal police.
They even parked their water cannon vehicles and armored vehicles on the dyke.
So I had to park at the helipad this morning.
 
Is this in the US?
 
Germany
 
Are there like riots or something?
 
It's a CASTOR transport from Sellafield
And some idiots in Germany protest anything, just to clash with the police.
 
That part isn't too surprising. There are usually at least some people willing to stir up crap in most countries I assume.
 
8:16 PM
Usually, the officials would wait for bad weather so that many people would just go home.
Stupid climate change is ruining everything.
 
It's not about the devastating consequences in the future, it's about the tiny inconveniences now.
We need to fix climate change for that reason alone.
 
The police have set up their field HQ in our visitors center. That's not a bad idea.
And their vehicles are well protected behind our barbed wire fence during the night.
 
Are you still getting many visitors during covid (or did it stop altogether)?
 
No. Only visitors who are somehow important for the operation of the plant are allowed. But no "tourists".
 
Probably a pretty good time to take over the visitors center then lol
 
8:24 PM
Yes. It has a few nice meeting rooms and the infrastructure for our emergency crisis staff.
It's good that someone uses it so that we don't have to turn off the heating. ;-)
 
And that way no one forgets to turn it on at all and have a pipe explode or something. That happened at the gym in my elementary school over one winter break.
 
Yes, that would be typical.
 
@Charlie I mean yes?
For instance, if you have a circle
A circle is both a manifold, and a transformation on itself
ie if you use a member of $U(1)$, it will move a point around a circle
This is true for every Lie manifold
 
8:56 PM
mfw that didn't even occur to me, oh man
thanks @Slereah
 
of particular note in GR, the set of all possible orthonormal basis coincide with the set of basis transformations
both of them are $O(3,1)$
The so called orthonormal frame bundle
 
9:55 PM
While you learn a programming language, what you are actually doing: you are running a program on your mind.
 
10:25 PM
I might be an idiot but why is Python giving me "UnboundLocalError: local variable 'num' referenced before assignment"?
I just ran virtually the same code in Javascript with no issues
what is the deal with this language
 
10:53 PM
@SirCumference global variables are not in scope inside functions by default in Python
if you want to access num inside a function, you need to write global num inside the function before modifying it
(but you shouldn't use global variables anyway, and modifying the input variables in Python is a bit unintuitive)
 
ok, i'm not saying JS doesn't deserve the hate it gets, but how does python get away with this
it's like it actively tries to be different from every other language
 
@SirCumference Python is just using proper encapsulation :P
 
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