Maid Café (メイド喫茶)

Hakase

00:01

I feel that what you're saying could be easily solved with banning the troublemakers - which was done. Why freeze the room? — Gallifreyan May 12 '17 at 10:10

@Gallifreyan Because rightly or wrongly, Mos Eisley picked up a reputation for being a room for troublemakers. It's continued existence, again rightly or wrongly, led weight to the idea that the behaviour the room was known for was becoming more acceptable. It isn't acceptable, and therefore the room has been frozen, as much to be mad an example of as to solve the continued issues that the mods were facing. — Dr R Dizzle May 12 '17 at 10:25

I expanded the comments :p

Hakase

00:12

in Room for terdon to explain himself, May 16 '17 at 9:26, by terdon

No defense there. You're absolutely right, that sort of thing would not be acceptable today. That, again, was not the case then. The rule at the time was that directing profanity at someone else in the room is not acceptable, but it's OKish to do so for a third person.

pff damn

@TylerH I'm not sure why people are treating "smurf" as if it's an insult, tbh. It's a common term for mods used around SFF and M&TV chat (in reference to the fact that mods have blue names in chat), often used affectionately or by mods themselves. — Rand al'Thor ♦ Jul 6 '17 at 23:40

lol sounds offensive to me :D

Just to clarify a point on the "freedom of speech" bits: the goal of Stack Exchange is explicitly to empower people to collect accurate and useful information on various topics, with each site dedicated to a specific field of learning; we encourage freedom of speech only so far as it works toward those ends. Individual groups are both empowered and encouraged to limit speech when it becomes counter-productive to that goal. — Shog9 ♦ May 12 '17 at 16:34

hello btw :p

idk if he gets notificaitons from quoted comments but I suspect yes definitely not, that'd be crazy noisy

Memor-X

@Hakase don't believe so

@Hakase lol, that's a new name i can use. i generally use Blues

Hakase

I guess be advised that the impression some people get is denigrating :p

so I've read a bunch from all that drama

what I've seen is there have been specific users who kept causing trouble in chat

and their bans were not long enough to prevent them from coming back again and resuming the bad things

somehow the other users(who? "the room itself"? :p) also kept on being bad

and then the room got closed

so it was specific users after all

it wasn't "the culture of the room"

that "culture" is defined by the users in it

but sho9 said some metaphor about tomato blight and how the entire room needs to be frozen over and be dead for a while

I guess you could accomplish that by dispersing the bad users for an extended period of time, long enough for a fresh good "room culture" to be born

and then they wouldn't be able to reintegrate into it, kinda

like the new crop wouldn't be tomatoes anymore, so the tomato blight wouldn't be able to affect it?

grow some bell peppers in there?

anyway, I think they've identified the problem with users and it's them that should have been removed from the room, not the room removed from the site

I'll consider this investigation completed :)

old.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/8g2xuz/…

> Porn star Stormy Daniels sues President Trump for defamation

> Yes hello can we have normal headlines again please

xD

Andris Brunovskis vs Christopher Broudnax

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Memor-X

00:47

Hakase

old.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/8g03cz/…

@Memor-X wat

Taisho

iqdb, WhatAnime, Google Reverse Image Search, TinEye, SauceNAO.

Hakase

oh

Sakamoto

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Q: What's the song that starts playing at around 20:22 in Episode 4, Season 3 of My Hero Academia?

I just really want to know since I'm loving the song. I'm pretty sure that it starts around 20:22, when Deku starts up his 1,000,000% punch against Muscular. I've been searching around but I can't find it anywhere.

my-hero-academia

Memor-X

01:28

wow, that was a useless flag

why is pointing out that a character is a trap a bad thing?

i'm one dungeon/area off from completing Norma's Character Quest in Tales of Legendia. Chloe's should be next so i'm hoping for moments between her and Elsa, maybe even Chloe realizing that she like Elsa more than crashing over Senel

nitsua60

Flags aren't toys, people. Maybe it was a mis-click, but even then it's a mis-click that inconveniences people across the whole Network. Try to be careful, please.

(And if not a mis-click, there's a distressing lack of words being used to deal with whatever's wrong before a flag's thrown.)

Memor-X

01:44

@nitsua60 wow, how many flags did that get? i generally start popping into other rooms when there's a bunch of flags already showing up

ASCII-only

@Memor-X wait. what happened

Memor-X

@ASCII-only @EarlGrey reply to me when i what an image saying "a trap, apparently" was flagged

ASCII-only

@Rashida :| but is there a better word for that? i thought "trap" was an anime-specific thing

Taisho

Memor-X

@Rashida second point is invalid because it was not pornography, both people were clothed in chinese dresses

ASCII-only

02:00

@Rashida yes...? it's almost certainly nsfw though

Memor-X

@Rashida oh i see. there is an erection tag. thanks for pointing that out but next time it would be better to flag the correct post

@Rashida or copying the greeting used in Japanese Maid Cafes?

and mind you, both Maid and Butler Cafes use the same greeting gender wide

@Rashida aren't you being a bit offensive to japanese people by calling them sexists and transphobic?

anyway, not interested in having that argument

@JNat could you remove this post, thanks

or @Dimitrimx if you can delete aswell

with that unpleasantness gone, some cute MakiNicoNii

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still hard to remember that Nico is Maki's senpai by 2 year levels

@Taisho what

Taisho

Uploaded (UTC): 16.08.2017 12:12:06 by (228525) Gallifreyan, tag: pixiv
http://iqdb.org/?url=https://i.imgur.com/kCTqihB.jpg | https://whatanime.ga/?url=https://i.imgur.com/kCTqihB.jpg | https://www.google.com/searchbyimage?image_url=https://i.imgur.com/kCTqihB.jpg | http://tineye.com/search?url=https://i.imgur.com/kCTqihB.jpg | http://saucenao.com/search.php?url=https://i.imgur.com/kCTqihB.jpg

Memor-X

original. it sorta gives a Shin Megami vibe from it so was expecting one of them to show up

Gao

02:48

meh

Memor-X

@Gao hem

Memor-X

03:02

so how's things with you @Gao?

Cascabel

Hey folks, just a heads up: "trap" is an offensive term for trans people. Please do not use it; it's not consistent with the Be Nice policy.

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Memor-X

@Cascabel well then i apologies in advance to anyone i've offended simply for the fact of not knowing if a person even considers themself transgender

Cascabel

It's not okay whether or not there's someone trans around, but thank you.

Sakamoto

03:31

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Q: What is the name of an anime that has a black haired boy who is being hunted down by unknown people?

He is the main character and is the son of an okonomiyaki shop owner. He goes to high school with a white haired boy with glasses, a pink haired twin tailed girl and a teacher that end up protecting him later on. There is a black haired boy with a hat and an eyepatch I believe who is the one hunt...

japan

Memor-X

05:11

Memor-X

05:29

things are quiet, almost as if everyone is out enjoying golden week

Earl Grey

05:41

ok, first of all, I never hate transgender people. I considered @Ave and @Morwenn and whoever transgender people here as a friend and I never have problem with them irl. Chat room policy changed, ok that's fine. But look, we know, where we should draw the line, we don't post NSFW stuff, I'm really happy with that, I'm really happy with the way user here behave.

But we are anime and manga community. We like anime pictures, ok? So before there's one loli picture (is term is offensive now? I don't know) Totally SFW in my opinion. And it got flagged. That's.. I don't know how to say it. If Logan were here he'll know the better word.

And then, there's another flag for the word trap. Seriously, I don't know if this is offensive for transgender people and tbh, I don't care. This term is widely use in anime community ( and you know what? we are one ) . We don't dissed them, trap. We like them. Ruka Urushibara, Saika Totsuka, Hideyoshi Kinoshita, Hato Kenjirou. Whether you like it or not, they're widely known, as trap.

My problem is not it's offensive to transgender. But rather the way this room progressing. First, we have a totally SFW picture - by our standard - got flagged, and removed. Then a widely used term in anime community got flagged. And that last really, really nice trap picture? you guys decided to removed it. As an artist myself, I can't stand it. I don't know what's next but I can be damn sure I won't like it either.

Memor-X

@EarlGrey well with the image it is tagged with erection which might explain where the girl's hand. i'd accept that

@EarlGrey wait, seriously? you're going to leave?

Gao

05:58

@Memor-X Sorry, I was having lunch with friend and didn't reply earlier. Working on some pet project to put on GitHub to show employers eye can program.

Memor-X

@Gao aren't you hired as a programmer now?

Gao

@Memor-X Yea, kind of. My job title on the notice of employment is something like "progammer".

Memor-X

and the delay was fine. just like to talk to someone now about something other than the crap happening on SO now

@Gao so why do you need to show off you can program? or is this some optimized process you've made and proposing?

Gao

@Memor-X Coz programmers are expected to have a portfolio to present to potential employers. I'm preparing for my future, eminent job hopping.

Memor-X

06:13

@Gao ahhhhhh. you don't have your own website? or do you just use GitHub?

ASCII-only

@Memor-X GitHub is an easy, free way to create a portfolio :P

@Memor-X also GitHub Pages is a thing, you don't need a website at all unless you need some database black magic for whatever reason

Gao

@Memor-X I had a handcrafted but unfinished personal website (no js and not online), which looks pretty plain but I like it over engineered websites.

Unihedron

@EarlGrey Join us on discord, SE chat is never going to get better anyway

Taisho

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Memor-X

@Gao what do you mean engineered websites? like wordpress?

@ASCII-only yeh but you have more control over your stuff with your own website

Gao

06:19

@Memor-X Commercial/professional websites built using Less/Sass, AngularJS, PWA, or what not, following the latest UI trend.

ASCII-only

@Memor-X define "control"

@Gao :|

Gao

@ASCII-only >:|

Memor-X

@ASCII-only well say GitHub was to introduce something, you have no choice but to accept it. in your own website you despite what features gets added

ASCII-only

@Memor-X but GitHub doesn't put restrictions on what can be on your website?

Memor-X

@ASCII-only but you have to accept everything don't you?

ASCII-only

06:23

@Memor-X accept what

Memor-X

@ASCII-only how about branching? (to be honest i havb't used GitHub so i don't know all the features)

ASCII-only

@Memor-X why do you need branching for a website >_>. also what about branching exactly

Gao

@Unihedron Despite Joel hiring the smartest people, all-star teams don't always excel. Just look at the new FogBugz a.k.a. Manuscript. The website is all marketing speech and failed miserably at communicating.

Memor-X

@ASCII-only no i mean on Github you can branch but what if i don't want people to branch my code?

ASCII-only

@Memor-X private repositories are a thing... (want unlimited private repos for free? then use BitBucket) plus if you want people to see it you can't avoid that...

Gao

06:25

@Memor-X Don't put it on Github then. Close source it, or at least write it into the license and hope people follow it.

Unihedron

@Gao Such is life. Sometimes you have the best odds but the random number generator doesn't favour you.

However, SE chat has existed for long enough that it's obvious, to me at least, that they have no intentions of building good communities, the entire concept of SE makes it so that the more distinct their users are, the better it would work.

The mere fact that they kept their broken message flagging system through out all of history is a tell.

Memor-X

@JNat and @Dimitrimx before you follow up my request with the offending image i want to know your opinion on if it should be removed/not have been posted in the first place given that the complaining user never flagged the image when they should have if it's so bad

like maybe i was too quick in hoping to avoid a flood of users who will go though everything here just to look for a reason to unfairly shut us down, especially now with those blog and Meta posts going around

Gao

#post tags

Taisho

There are 803 unposted images in 88 tagged lists: (untagged − 235); shin-sangoku-musou − 36; fullmetal-alchemist − 28; koutetsujou-no-kabaneri − 25; sakura-wars − 25; [zhan-jian-shao-nyu] − 18; guilty-crown − 17; knights-of-sidonia − 16; darker-than-black − 16; pixiv − 15; artstation − 15; rwby − 14; naruto − 13; sword-art-online − 13; valkyria-chronicles − 13; eromanga-sensei − 12; to-aru-majutsu-no-index − 11; ib − 10; monogatari-series − 10; sasami-san-ganbaranai − 10; yojouhan-shinwa-taikei − 9; akame-ga-kill − 9; kara-no-kyoukai − 9; sword-girls − 9; to-love-ru − 9; gekkan-shoujo-nozak…

Memor-X

06:41

@Taisho huh, was expecting it to be lower

ASCII-only

what's going to happen when we run out of unposted images :P

Memor-X

@ASCII-only @Taisho wont post anything and someone will have to upload more

Unihedron

go back to the days before taisho :p

Memor-X

@Unihedron more or less. like when he had Post a Loli Day

ASCII-only

> eromanga-sensei — 12

huh. that's surprisingly high up

> the witcher

Unihedron

06:46

> retag − 1

quality tags

Memor-X

@Unihedron think that was a test

nhahtdh

Since "trap" is forbidden, we would have to use the longer term "otoko no ko" to refer to them <_<

男の娘

Unihedron

At this rate any words which aren't in the dictionary would get forbidden eventually :^)

@Memor-X It doesn't matter. If some stack exchange employee thinks it's an offensive word, then it is.

Memor-X

@Unihedron that's the thing that the mod who's pinned that message ain't an employee

ofcause i would like to here an employee's opinion too

Unihedron

I don't mean him.

Memor-X

07:00

@Unihedron well Shog was here before, for a while, didn't do anything if they was watching us

Gao

@Memor-X meant to be an "others" tag. taisho should default to retag if no tag is supplied, so one can post an untagged image

僕の彼女

mornings

Shog9

Ok. Posting NSFW pics by way of protest is not a good strategy.

That's my only comment on this situation at this moment; gonna go to sleep now. Recommend this to others who might benefit from time to reflect.

Unihedron

Haha, you (@Memor-X) heard him (Shog).

Gao

It's Shog9

or is that supposed to be an i? Shogi?

Taisho

07:12

Gao

Gao9 - new signature

heh wat now

#hide?

Taisho

@Gao I'm not completely sure what you meant by that, and I am not allowed to guess.

Gao

@Taisho should evolve to be able to screen nsfw from sfw images, upon upload

anyway, i kind of know what's sfw and what's nsfw now, from the flags and feedbacks

if there's a next round of replenishment for taisho, i will be more careful

Unihedron

not going to join us on the aho channel? :0

僕の彼女

@Gao join the dark side

Unihedron

07:19

@僕の彼女 Stack exchange is the dark side :0

僕の彼女

:P

Gao

@僕の彼女 maybe in the future, when i feel like creating an account for discord

僕の彼女

most people in other rooms on the network are already moving to discord and stuff

@Gao you can chat in discord without creating an account as well

Unihedron

Gao

@僕の彼女 i tried, but then the member list keeps getting populated with Gao each time i log in

Unihedron

07:20

is this not you?

@Gao it's fine lol

Gao

pinches @僕の彼女

僕の彼女

pinches back

btw I'm SaitamaSama1337 on the discord channel tho

Gao

@僕の彼女 such 1337 name

僕の彼女

:P

Unihedron

I'm 有料駐車場

僕の彼女

07:25

yea, you have same avatars :D

Unihedron

it's actually different

僕の彼女

is it? hmmm

oh there's somebody else on the left

Unihedron

hats in discord version

from winterbash 2016 and 2017

ASCII-only

@Unihedron wow nice +1

@Unihedron link pls?

Unihedron

16 hours ago, by nhahtdh

I just dug up the invite link and joined

JNat

07:33

Mornin'

僕の彼女

i.sstatic.net/5R3DI.png what's the translation of the japanese?

JNat

@Memor-X The policy in here has always been that if it offends someone, we remove it :)

Unihedron

@僕の彼女 Is it even japanese :0

僕の彼女

the role thingy

Unihedron

. i.sstatic.net/3Zx77.png

I... stand severely corrected

http://jisho.org/search/鬱金

JNat

07:42

@Memor-X let's not use the word :) If people come in here, and are put off by the term, we should avoid using it. It does offend transgender people, regardless of whether or not that's your intention when using it

Unihedron

Actually, it rarely does, and I'm fairly sure we all know that. Transgender people being different naturally have tendencies to be more open minded since they have to communicate their perspective to people who don't understand them yet. Conversely, patients diagonosed with obsessive compulsive personality disorder finds OCPD jokes offensive, which SE likely won't do anything about, because it's not relevant to the heat of the discussion.

Whether it's actually offensive isn't a point worth debating when it's not going to change the outcome of the discussion.

*likely finds

JNat

@Unihedron I'd invite you to read this, in particular the "Defamatory language" section :)

As for the OCPD bit — not sure what point you're trying to make

Unihedron

That's like saying the term "oriental" is deflamatory...

Taisho

Dimitri mx

@JNat I can understand that 'trap' can be considered offensive. It is however a accepted terminology used in a sub culture full of offensive terminology. Are we going to break down on all of that?

JNat

07:50

@Unihedron Don't see how, really. Furthermore, I hope you noticed I'm not linking to a reddit post, but to a page from the GLAAD site

Dimitri mx

I am also assuming that this is not limited to the chat as well.

Unihedron

I'm not sure what either reddit or GLADD is, but I opened your site and I'm filling in this form that it gives me.

JNat

@Dimitrimx we're not trying to change the anime/manga industry in this chat room, if that's what you're asking. But if someone pops in and is put off or offended by some of that language, we should just edit/delete the bit in question, and move on with the conversation

@Unihedron form? huh?

Unihedron

Oh, I thought it was a registration pane, it asked me to donate.

僕の彼女

hah

Dimitri mx

07:54

Hm, mixed feelings on that approach. But ok.

ASCII-only

@Unihedron ?

Unihedron

@ASCII-only I thought it wasn't japanese since it looked very chinese

turns out the word was in both

so I stand corrected severely :D

ASCII-only

@Unihedron well, both Japanese and Korean do use Chinese characters

Unihedron

I don't mean that

you don't see complicated radicals like in classical chinese often in korean and japanese, don't you?

JNat

@Dimitrimx you can always rely on the other mods in the TL for guidance, if you feel your mixed feelings might get in the way :)

僕の彼女

08:01

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Dimitri mx

@JNat will do ^^

nhahtdh

@Unihedron Korean more or less stopped using Chinese characters, from my observation

JNat

@Memor-X the issue there was continued behavior, despite of multiple attempts to discourage it. And closing the room did have an effect: the community eventually created a new one, but the tone and atmosphere is drastically different (read: non-toxic). cc @Hakase

僕の彼女

bump anime.stackexchange.com/questions/46726/…

nhahtdh

In Japanese, daily life usage revolves around 2000+ characters, but other characters are still in use

Though an average person who graduated from high school wouldn't know more than the 2000+ frequently used one

僕の彼女

08:13

In Japan, or worldwide? :P

nhahtdh

Yeah, I mean an average Japanese studying in Japan

Unihedron

In everyday conversation really only around hundreds are used, but supposedly japanese schools teaches 2136 common kanjis (常用漢字), where as in hong kong (where I live) we have 4762 common chinese characters based on the Hong Kong Chinese Lexical Lists for Primary Learning (香港小學學習字詞表)

僕の彼女

Kodaline - Follow Your Fire (Official Video)

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Unihedron

those 2136 characters are definitely just a small part of them all though

finally finished reading that GLAAD page. at least it wasn't as long as shog's extended theory of moderation

nhahtdh

@Unihedron I'd really like to see a source for "hundreds", not that I doubt the number, but just for scientific curiosity

I have the same feeling when I listen to those event video

Unihedron

08:21

I don't have a source, it's a gut feeling, you could even say I made it up, because that's basically what it is

nhahtdh

Even though they speak really fast, I can pick up most of what they are saying, since they are using basically the few common words

Anonymous

@Unihedron 4208 characters cover 99.9% of Japanese: kanjibunka.com/kanji-faq/old-faq/q0006

Unihedron

I probably use more kanji-based words playing mahjong for an hour compared to chatting for a day...

Anonymous

I think to be literate in Japanese you end up learning to read around 3500 or so, give or take depending on the person. There's no exact number, of course.

Anonymous

Like how in any language you're likely to keep learning new words for the rest of your life.

Unihedron

08:26

@snailboat This is interesting. I learned about the pareto rule from vsauce, where 80% of effects are caused by 20% of the sources, and this seems to line up with that phenomenon well

nhahtdh

@snailboat Is there similar study on spoken Japanese?

Morwenn

@Cascabel actually the trans community doesn't always agree on that point: IME everybody agress that it could be seen as an offensive term, yet I've seldom seen any trans folk feeling offended by the term. I've also seen it reappropriated by a huge number of trans folk.

I even joke about potentitally being one on a regular basis

Unihedron

relevant: message/44323215

Morwenn

And non-trans people who use it hardly ever use it in a negative way either v0v

@Unihedron thanks, I didn't feel like reading the whole conversation :p

I was actually just surprised that such a message would be pinned

Unihedron

equally surprised

when I opened the chat, I saw top pin being garbage, surprised, then I read the two other pins and became more disappointed than surprised

well, no point lamenting over what I'm no business of, so let's leave it at that

Mithrandir

08:40

@Unihedron Calling a message about moderation "garbage" isn't exactly constructive...

Unihedron

@Mithrandir I'm not exactly the most constructive person, and if you know how to word it better, please enlighten me.

Taisho

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Unihedron

I say this because my knowledge of the definition for "tr◯p" is quite specific and not what this other page claims it to be, so without that context, it just looked like a misguided decision.

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僕の彼女

^

Mithrandir

@Unihedron If you don't have a way to say something constructively it's often best not to say anything at all.

Unihedron

08:43

@Mithrandir Then I'm going to give you the cold shoulder treatment, and I hope you will understand, since you offered.

lol, at least they were polite and said it "was not constructive" - they probably agreed with me, so they couldn't just say I was wrong

Sakamoto

09:17

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Q: Where will the Black rukh went to ? are Heaven and Hell exist?

There are two kind of rukh in Magi universe. But first, let me explain what is rukh. Rukh is the home of souls. While we live, it is every man for them self. But when you die, all go back to one place, This is Rukh. When humans die, their bodies return to the earth don't they? The souls ...

magi

Ave

09:34

blegh just read the pings I got yesterday night

@Gallifreyan want to go out sometime?

Also today's mayday so school for both of us so

Unihedron

golden week!

no golden week for me /shrug

Gallifreyan

09:49

@Hakase I was asleep

Ave

10:02

@Unihedron fwiw the two pins under top pin are not related to the top one.

it was posted before the stuff happened.

Unihedron

Um...

Gallifreyan

@Ave This week too hard :(

Ave

@Gallifreyan ah, rip

I was going to write a long message about yesterday's events, but I decided not to.

Gallifreyan

What did I miss?

Ave

While the regulars of the room were not offended by the use of that word when it was used in the last couple years or so, someone was offended enough to flag it, and that's understandable due to the negative connotations the word has. I think that instead of fighting against the mods etc here, we should sit down and think a bit about how we can continue the existence of maid cafe while maintaining a friendly and welcoming environment here.

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that's the short version of the message.

Gallifreyan

10:11

^ twitter.com/thesummerwars/status/991001145643618304

Ave

@Gallifreyan I didn't read everything yet, but from what I can see, someone posted a drawing, someone called the character in the drawing a "trap", and someone flagged that, then a discussion about "this is okay" and "this is not okay" happened.

(also fwiw I agree that the word is offensive, but it has a place in anime community and I don't think that I can change that, so instead of talking positively or negatively about the content, I just don't talk about it)

Vogel612

10:27

osu

Ave

@Vogel612 hm?

Vogel612

maybe a simple hello would've been less confusing?

Ave

ah

hey!

Unihedron

eiyo

nhahtdh

10:49

@Vogel612: Did you have an account on anime.SE?

Vogel612

@nhahtdh I was somewhat active quite a while ago...

like... two or maybe already three years

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A: How did the Sage of the Six Paths obtain his Rinnegan?

Awakening the Rinnegan I think you have misunderstood something here. The Rinnegan was the original form. It required no activation and was permanent to the Sage of the Six Paths. His children, the Uchiha and the Senju inherited the two different feats: The life force and physical energy wen...

nhahtdh

Oh, you hid your account here so I didn't see it in your profile

I also stopped contributing for 2+ year already

Vogel612

@nhahtdh there's a few ways to get around that, actually.

a "simple" one is the reputation graph on the network account, assuming the account has more rep than the assoc bonus

nhahtdh

Hmm... If the user changes avatar, description, and username on a site, it's still somewhat possible to look for them with their old username via Google, assuming someone replied to their comment

Vogel612

yea, comment references are not based on userId

same applies for chat-transcript

Unihedron

11:08

The moral of the story is that you can't count on other people to secure your security

Memor-X

11:33

@JNat well it was more that the user was saying it was pornography just because a tag says there's an erection, yet they never flagged it. but if you think it's offensive then yeh remove it

JNat

@Memor-X regardless of the tag... the erection was there — we wanna avoid similar images, for sure

Memor-X

@Dimitrimx i think we have a question on who was the first trap, if we are to edit it out i would strongly suggest a closely linked term otherwise you're altering the question to something it's not

@JNat fair enough.

Dimitri mx

I've already been looking around for ways to rephrase that. I keep landing on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otokonoko However I don't think this covers 'trap' as Otokonoko relates more to crossdressers.

If you have suggestions, feel free to voice them. We probably should make a meta from it then though/

Memor-X

@JNat oh i was aware it was continued behavior but wasn't sure what was the straw-flagpole that broke Shog's back. i have a faint recollection that it was an tasteless debate on rape in Starship Troopers but wasn't sure and didn't was to assume it was

Taisho

Memor-X

11:41

@僕の彼女 you could bounty it for more attension lol

@Unihedron likewise

Dimitri mx

Unless we can find another closely related term, I am against changing 'trap' in questions/answers. Considering it is fandom related terminology.

Memor-X

@Vogel612 i thought you was saying the game there

Unihedron

@Memor-X i see

Vogel612

@Memor-X I'm terrible at that game...

ASCII-only

@Vogel612 Nobody is truly good at osu :P

Vogel612

11:46

2 stars -> ded in the first 30 secs at best

Unihedron

defying legendary players :p

Ave

12:06

@ASCII-only hey I just saw this. For free priv repos, gitlab is good too but has issues every now and then (but I prefer it over bitbucket), and VSTS is also good if the projects are .net etc.

ASCII-only

@Ave oh wait. VSTS is free?

Ave

it has a free plan

I think

visualstudio.com/team-services

I still have some ancient projects on vsts

ASCII-only

@Ave re: gitlab, true. but clearly Australian things > non-Australian ones :P

Ave

It's, uh, bad.

Vogel612

didn't they also use VSTS as an acronym for a VBA replacement? Or was that always named VSTO?

ASCII-only

12:08

@Ave wait. VSTS is old?

@Vogel612 wait what is this

Ave

@ASCII-only considering I started developing stuff around 2013, it's relatively old for me

Vogel612

@ASCII-only Visual Studio Tools for Office, IIRC

Ave

yeah VSTS is around half a decade old

wikiwand.com/en/Microsoft_Visual_Studio#/Team_Services nov 2013

Gallifreyan

Weird

Card has moneys, but Skype payment didn't go through

Ave

@Gallifreyan why are you paying skype?

Gallifreyan

12:13

Needed it to call my meemaw in Russia

Ave

ah

Gallifreyan

Since the alternative would be sending a letter...

Memor-X

@Gallifreyan why not send that?

sometimes that extra effort is appreciated

Gallifreyan

That's exactly what my grandmother said

Ave

@Gallifreyan how much is skype payment

+ how much do you pay to your mobile operator

Gallifreyan

12:22

My subscription was 2 USD per month for 100 minutes to landlines

Ave

ah

Gallifreyan

My mobile is < 5 USD per month for talk, messages, and internet

Ave

damn, nice

Memor-X

holy shit your mobile plans are cheap

Gallifreyan

Hehe

Ave

12:24

I pay like 75try/mo for 10gb mobile + 2000 sms + 2000 international minutes + international international vodafone

Gallifreyan

@Ave You didn't like the 2 Gb part though :p

Ave

yeah

I mean

I'm always home soo

also I'm watching brazilian ratatoille ripoff now

please someone help me

Memor-X

@Ave *mentally sends hugs, [INSERT DESIRED ANIME] and ice-cream*

Ave

sadly apparently vodafone red doesn't support russia tho

Taisho

3

Ave

12:30

this is a really bad movie

Gallifreyan

12:42

@Ave Watch FMA: Brotherhood on Netflix

Ave

it's not my sort of anime

also

i built a rack for my server

Image

flag bc of may 1

and memes

Memor-X

@Ave i don't get it

Vogel612

looks like a 1U high longcase

Ave

2U

@Memor-X It's "may day"/"worker's day"

Memor-X

@Ave oh that's what may day is?

Ave

12:48

I believe so

Vogel612

seems my measurement scaling is off :/

Ave

it's also uh

rather long

for a 2U

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