Maid Café (メイド喫茶)

Logan M

12:02 AM

^Apparently this prints Hello World. Can someone explain how it works?

Eric

@LoganM It's pixels of data used as bytes which convert into ASCII characters that represent the Hello World program.

19

Q: How did this person code "Hello World" with Microsoft Paint?

I have just seen this within the past few days and cannot figure out how it works. The video I talk about is here: It's the top rated answer from this Stack Overflow question: Why was this program rejected by three compilers? How is this bitmap able to show a C++ program for "Hello World"?

Logan M

@Eric No, this is a Piet program

Eric

But it should be the same idea. Just different ASCII.

If you can find the file in BMP form, open it in Notepad.

Logan M

Piet (programming language)

Piet is an esoteric programming language designed by David Morgan-Mar, whose programs are bitmaps that look like abstract art. The compilation is guided by a "pointer" that moves around the image, from one continuous coloured region to the next. Procedures are carried through when the pointer exits a region. There are 20 colours for which behaviour is specified: 18 "colourful" colours, which are ordered by a 6-step hue cycle and a 3-step brightness cycle; and black and white which are not ordered. When exiting a "colourful" colour and entering another one, the performed procedure is d...

Eric

... lol

Okay, you got me. :P

Krazer

12:08 AM

@LoganM I thought piet used a spiral pattern

Logan M

@Eric I'm not questioning whether or not I got you. I don't understand the structure of that program, even though I know the (very) basics of Piet.

Eric

I'm not sure. It appears this one is also "Hello World":

I would guess they're largely the same color (except for that large blue region) and just move differently.

Krazer

Oh

Logan's seems to be a fancier, more elegant hello world

Logan M

@Krazer If you mean the original painter, he's most famous for paintings like this:

Krazer

no I meant the original programming language

retas.de/thomas/computer/programs/useless/piet/explain.html

Sample programs: dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet/samples.html

Logan M

12:14 AM

The ones that are written in spirals like that are pretty easy to read. I don't understand the flow control in the one I posted.

Krazer

a simple loop: bertnase.de/npiet/loop-trace-big.png

Logan M

@Krazer I only understand a couple of those :[

Krazer

@LoganM here's a basic overview: dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet.html

Krazer

12:38 AM

►

Eric

I thought there was no singular of Pokeymanz!

My world is upside down. :(

"Hey, battle that Pokeyman!" "NOOO!" xD

Krazer

@Eric are you in Australia?

Eric

@Krazer No, actually, the middle of the South Pacific. The water's warm, though.

Krazer

did you get one from privateislandsonline.com/regions/south-pacific ?

Eric

@Krazer Three, actually.

Krazer

12:49 AM

@Eric whoa d00d you must be loaded

Eric

@Krazer Only on weekends.

@Eric whõā

Yúp.

d00d!

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12:54 AM

reindeer pizza

Eric

@Krazer You want some? :P

Krazer

I'd like to try

Eric

If venison comes from deer, does reinvenison come from reindeer?

Krazer

I'd like to try invenison before reinvenison!

Eric

Don't you want to reinvense yourself?

Krazer

1:02 AM

how do I reinvense if I haven't invensed?

Eric

Well, I guess you need to determine whether or not you've actually invensed in the past.

Krazer

does one determine invensetation?

Eric

Only if they have invensted before. Otherwise, a professional invenstor might be required.

Krazer

@Eric how does is this invensetation invensted by a invenstor? Do they have to have been invensegated to invense?

Eric

@Krazer There was originally an invensetation prodigy, who created the field of invensting. He learned all he could about invensting, and became the first leader in his field--the Great Invenstor. Because of him, for generations, others have learned to create great invenison and reinvension from his teachings.

Yes, invensegations are strongly recommended. But one who is educated well in invensetation does not require one.

Krazer

1:16 AM

Can one invense again without reinvensing, if one does not realize they have invensed?

Eric

No, any invensement that takes place after a previous invensement is a reinvensement, even if the invenstor claims ignorance.

Krazer

how can one legitimately claim an invensement is a reinvensement accurately?

Eric

They can't unless they have the invensement documents to back it up. Invensetation is a bureaucratic nightmare.

Krazer

why do people bother to invense then?

Eric

The benefits of invensing can be grand. One can connect deeply within themselves, and people often use it to reach a physical peak. Even if they do it repeatedly, though, some never go through the process of being recognized invenstors.

Krazer

1:26 AM

so they can overinvense? is there a way to prevent it? or a from of counterinvensement the prevents others from invensing or reinvensing?

Eric

I'm not sure. I feel like overinvensing would be a substantial issue, but I've never heard of a case where an invensor invensed too much.

Krazer

is a reinvenstor different from a invenstor?

Eric

I'm not sure one could classify oneself as a reinvenstor. They'd have to make a habit of reinvensing themselves. I would consider such a person an avid invenstor.

Krazer

there is no distinct classification between the two?

Eric

Not that I'm aware of.

Krazer

1:36 AM

thne what difference does it make to do the former over the latter?

Eric

The act of reinvensing is possible, I just doubt you could call yourself a "reinvenstor" for doing so.

It's a semantic thing. A professional invenstor would be sure to make such a distinction.

Krazer

@Eric Like ppl that find hidden triforces in the Google Doodles?

Eric

@Krazer ... Precisely like them.

Now you have me going insane. lol

I'm going to need some serious reinvenison after this.

Krazer

mmm invenistation

Eric

:D

Krazer

1:41 AM

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blogoscoped.com/archive/2009-07-16-n41.html

Eric

@Krazer That's so weird...

Znau

'eve

sorry for butting in, but is any of you a mod? either im quite stupid or its kind of "obscure" how to contact one properly.

Krazer

@Znau Hi, I'm blue.

How may I address your situation?

Znau

its simple, i guess

i cant edit anything that is not mine, says i'm restricted

(edit suggestions, that is. i cant make them)

i'd just want to know how much time i will be unable to do so

Krazer

@Znau On which site are you experiencing this issue?

Znau

1:51 AM

SuperUser

someone named Random, i assume he's a mod, only told me i used too many <br> instead of adding new lines, but didnt add any more info

Krazer

@Znau 2000 rep is required to edit questions and answers. Please refer to: superuser.com/privileges/edit

Znau

i dont mean single handledly edit questions

i mean suggest edits

Krazer

@Znau You are allowed to suggest edits if you do not have the rep, but it is up to higer rep users and moderator to review and approve your edits.

Znau

yes, i am aware of that

still, the "edit" button is greyed-out for me

says my account cannot make edit suggestions

Krazer

@Znau can you direct me to instances (such as questions of answers) where this is happening to you?

Znau

1:56 AM

all of them, unfortunatly

Eric

32

Q: Why is the edit button disabled?

I edited some questions before, but am no longer able to click the edit button. I thought there was a problem with the specific question, but I cannot click it on any question. What's going on? Return to FAQ index

support faq suggested-edits

That might be of help.

Logan M

@Znau I doubt anyone here can help you with that directly since this room is for Anime & Manga and none of us are mods on SU. Did you try asking on Super User Meta or in chat over there?

Znau

yes @LoganM i joined the mod chat room for a while, and when checking on their logs it was like 4 hours since a mod was online there

Logan M

If @Eric's link is correct it should go away naturally after a week.

Krazer

@Znau Please note that you may have too many rejected edits, which results in an automatic restriction on making edits for a certain amount of time. Please refer to this post.

Znau

2:00 AM

indeed, that seems the case

thank you for the help on clarifying this

Krazer

@Znau I apologize for the inconvenience. If you believe that this ban was made in error, you may leave a message for a moderator to review in the Ask a Super User Moderator chatroom (which you wre previously in) for them to review at a later time.

Znau

now i have read the post Logan provided, it seems it was justified, i'm the one to blame :) thanks again

Logan M

@Krazer If I find tag wikis which are plagarized from Wikipedia, is it better to flag them or to edit them myself?

Krazer

@Znau You're welcome. Please take some time to visit the other StackExchange sites as you wait for your restriction to be lifted.

Eric

I'd say just edit them yourself, to be honest. Unless we think that the writer needs to be told.

Logan M

2:07 AM

(actually, can tag wikis even be flagged?)

Krazer

@LoganM I don't think so. I try to catch them as I review them but they do get through

if you don't have time to do it, make a note of it in chat and we an ret to rectify it

Logan M

Okay I'll edit the ones I see unless they need someone who knows more about the series, in which case I'll post it here or something.

Eric

I really wish SO had private messaging sometimes.

Even just for moderators to any user.

Krazer

@Eric they do it's called the "superping"

Eric

I thought superping was still visible by anyone?

Logan M

2:12 AM

@Eric They can superping in a private room.

Krazer

@Eric there is also a option to contact a user privately by their registered email.

Eric

Ah, I see.

Logan M

There really should be a script that checks if the tag wiki is copied from Wikipedia. Doing it by hand is a pain.

Eric

That would be hard considering some of the weird names articles have.

You can imagine for C, it's very hard to find the article.

You could just Google the first line. That would be reasonably painless.

Krazer

@Eric I don't think that's efficient even if you use JSONP calls.

Eric

2:15 AM

@Krazer lol

Logan M

@Eric Not really. You can just do a Google search for the entire Tag Wiki text (or some subset) and test if most of the text is lifted from somewhere else.

Krazer

Also think of all the extra bandwidth being used every time you make or edit a tag wiki

Eric

Someone has to use that bandwidth.

And if SE uses it, that just costs them more.

Krazer

@Eric that means less bandwidth for gifs and cat pix!!!

Eric

Nu! GIFs are on Imgur. :D

Krazer

2:18 AM

@Eric min.us accepts almost all gifs! imgur is finicky

Eric

Truefaxx. :(

Znau

C code would be a real pain to track down, as if people change one variable name and the structure of the functions it would recognise the code as !=

Hell Butterfly

0

Q: Should people delete not very useful questions?

I have noticed that I have a number of questions that aren't answered and probably won't be answered, and so even though they have upvotes, they aren't very useful or productive questions. This is one of them. Is there any merit to keeping questions like these or should I just delete it?

discussion

Logan M

I'm already bored of this. Searching for plagiarized tag wikis is boring and I don't even get any rep or badges or anything out of it. Plus it seems like almost half the ones I've seen could be argued to be plagiarized, which seems like way too much work to fix on my own.

Eric

All the ~~cool~~ lazy kids are plagiarizing tag wikis these days.

Krazer

2:30 AM

straight copypasta is easy differentiate as they tend to include certain wiki syntax, but we shouldn't lose sleep over it

Eric

@Krazer Y U NO LEEV MAH POST ALONE :(

Krazer

@Eric O ME SO SRY!

Eric

Good. :)

Krazer

@Eric Y U NO ANSWAH TIME MACHINE QUESTION? I GIVE U REP FOR NICE ANSWER! (up to 100)

Eric

@Krazer Oh right, I was reading the endings of the VN. I'll get back to that. xD

Logan M

2:37 AM

@Eric What VN?

Eric

@LoganM Steins;Gate. I'm trying to answer the Grandfather Paradox question. The bounty must be awarded in the next 24 hours, though. So I'm a bit constrained, lol.

2.54GB... geez.

kuwaly

Is it bad to ask character motivation questions?

Mysticial

@kuwaly nope

Eric

@kuwaly I don't think so. I think they'd be answerable most of the time.

Znau

0

A: Computer won't stay powered up

Many thanks for this Tyler, with your advice I´ve solved the same problem with my PC. It was the lack of cheese toast. Good call!

funny.

Mysticial

2:41 AM

@Znau It'll probably get deleted as NAA pretty soon.

Krazer

@kuwaly as in "why did they do it this way" questions?

Znau

i just flagged it as such indeed

kuwaly

@Krazer or as a "why did this character do this thing that seemed to be counterproductive/not useful to them?"

Mysticial

@kuwaly Those are valid questions.

kuwaly

okay

Mysticial

2:42 AM

I've answered a few of those already.

And asked a couple myself IIRC.

kuwaly

I feel like I have a lot of stupid questions that I want the answer to

Mysticial

Ask them.

We need more questions anyway.

kuwaly

I am doing it in doses (I have a list of questions to ask)

there's this one random guy that shows up for about 12 seconds in an episode of Naruto

in the background

Who has bandages completely covering his eyes

And I really want to know how he can see

Logan M

@Znau Whoa that kind of question is allowed on SU?

Krazer

@LoganM Yes, according to their faq.

Znau

2:46 AM

SU is kind of generalized when it comes to questions

Super User is for computer enthusiasts and power users. If you have a question about …

computer hardware,
computer software, or
personal and home computer networking

thats a quote from FAQ

Logan M

@Krazer Seems like it's too basic to me. But I don't really care since I'm never going to use it anyway.

Znau

i've seen worse questions get answers

like "my pc wont turn on"

Logan M

@kuwaly That might not be answerable (without speculation) if the character is that minor. But I think it's probably fine to ask it anyway. At the worst someone will tell you that it isn't answered anywhere.

Znau

after like 3 ansers the guy says "nvm it, power cable was off"

Mysticial

lol

Eric

3:06 AM

> That name... is the pretentious hipster bullshit name I pulled out of my ass, with no particular meaning. -- Okabe, regarding the name "Steins Gate"

That guy is awesome. xD

Logan M

Okabe is awesome.

Znau

+1

when i want a quick lagh i simply check a urahara kisuke compilation.. for me thats well placed mockery.

laugh even

Logan M

Shouldn't you be looking earlier than that though? I thought you wanted when Suzuha explains how her time machine works.

Sakamoto

0

Q: Why does Kabuto heal Hinata?

During the third part of the Chunin exams when Naruto is fighting Neji, Hinata begins coughing up blood. Kabuto, who is masquerading as a member of ANBU, heals her and then, after she has been taken care of, he knocks Kiba out instead of killing him. Is there shown to be any reason for this or is...

naruto

Eric

@LoganM I'm kinda going backwards from the end. I had forgotten how far back Suzuha's explanation was.

@Sakamoto Don't interrupt. It's rude.

Logan M

3:13 AM

Also, just FYI, the VN is like 40ish hours, so you could easily just skip every scene Suzuha isn't in and read all the ones in which she talks and make it in time. That, or just grab the full text somewhere and grep it.

Eric

Yeah, I'm reading the file right now.

Hence why I'm able to go backwards. :P

Logan M

I think my favorite ending from the VN is the one where Kurisu goes yandere. But I'm pretty sure that isn't the one in which this question is answered.

Eric

Probably not.

And it doesn't look like the info I need is in the second Suzuha's appearance.

She's brief with telling "this one can go forward, too!"

Logan M

(Actually that was in one of the drama CDs, but w/e)

Krazer

@LoganM goes off find that audio dorama

3:20 AM

@Krazer dupe that into the gif room

Eric

"Hey, was there ever a movie where a TV reporter goes to a snowy town to cover an event, and then gets wrapped up in a time loop?"
"I think it was called 'Groundhog Jay.' It was a really old movie to me, though."

lol

Mysticial

@Krazer I meant, leave a copy of both of these in the gif room. :)

Krazer

Logan M

3:28 AM

I have to admit that just listening to that, it sometimes sounds like Chihaya instead of Kurisu. I guess that's a sign that I play too much iM@S.

Krazer

@LoganM not until you can hear her voice when you read her memes

Znau

3:55 AM

gn \o

Krazer

o/

Sakamoto

9:08 AM

0

Q: Why english dubbed version of naruto stopped

Naruto and few episodes of Naruto shippuden are in english(english dubbed) then it suddenly stopped why so ? and few episodes used to come in Cartoon Network that also stopped

naruto

Planet Express Delivery

10:24 AM

0

Q: Live-Action Japanese movie from the early 90s

I'm looking for a film from the early 90s or late 80s that has a similar look to the James Cameron Aliens film; it's in Japanese. There is a tank, a kid with a suit that has pressure points that make beat-box like noises when pressed, and a man/police(?) who is probably the main character. I thin...

story-identification movie anime science-fiction-genre

Washu

2:13 PM

@LoganM KLU has 12 followers

Washu

2:52 PM

@TRiG Hey what's up

iKlsR

3:18 PM

o/

TRiG

3:48 PM

@Washu Not a lot. Just popping by.

Logan M

@Washu I saw that. We were #1 on the hot proposals list for a while.

Washu

@LoganM YAY :D

Logan M

4:09 PM

@PlanetExpressDelivery It seems like Scifi is getting a lot of the random story identification questions for older anime, but we're getting most of the stuff which relates to newer shows or is more in-universe.

Washu

@LoganM Why do people ask about anime on Scifi and not here?

derobert

@LoganM Assumably, because that's live action, not anime?

Logan M

@Washu Partly it's because Scifi is much bigger than we are and thus easier to find. However, judging by the questions they're getting, the series being asked about are more the sort of things anime fans would have been interested in 15 years ago than now. They're the sort of things that are by-and-large more interesting to modern day scifi fans than anime fans.

@derobert True, Gunhed is live action. The guy tagged it with anime though. I'm not sure why.

derobert

@LoganM Possibly not knowing what the word means... Wonder why the folks over their haven't fixed the tagging. (Also, the title says live action, so the OP apparently knows its live action.)

One of their mods struck one tag, but apparently didn't bother fixing the rest of the tags...

Logan M

@derobert Yeah. They asked him in the comments if it was also animated, and he wasn't sure. It's probably just bad tagging in this case.

JNat

4:30 PM

hey

Logan M

@JNat Hey

JNat

@LoganM have you been getting some more sleep lately? :P

Logan M

@JNat Yeah, I got a reasonable amount the past 2 days.

JNat

@LoganM nice. sleeping is good for you XD

Logan M

8:37 PM

10

Q: Am I missing an entry in the Higurashi series?

Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni and Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni Kai both say "Welcome to Hinamizawa..." and "WHEN THEY CRY..." on the cover. Umineko no Naku Koro Ni says "Welcome to Rokkenjima" and "WHEN THEY CRY 3". I thought Umineko was the follow up to Higurashi. Where's "WHEN THEY CRY 2"?

higurashi-no-naku-koro-ni umineko-no-naku-koro-ni when-they-cry

^I'm pretty sure we don't need all three of those tags. Should we keep when-they-cry or higurashi... and umineko...?

Mysticial

synonymize them

Logan M

@Mysticial Presumably there should be synonyms, but that doesn't answer the question of which should be the primary tags. Also, this is a strange case because "When They Cry" encompasses both Higurashi and Umineko, but they aren't really related much at all.

Mysticial

true...

Logan M

Maybe we should kill when-they-cry but make higurashi-when-they-cry and umineko-when-they-cry, and have the Japanese names synonymize to those.

Mysticial

that feels awkward...

Logan M

8:47 PM

@Mysticial Why? The series aren't really related much apart from the names. tsubasa-chronicle and xxxholic are much closer.

Mysticial

Awkward as in mixing both English and Japanese names together.

Granted, it's not like I have a better solution.

Logan M

No, the English names are Higurashi: When they Cry and Umineko: When they Cry. Which are terrible names, but that's what they are officially.

Krazer

@Mysticial Since they are all part of the when-they-cry series, I think it's better to synonymize umimeko and higurashi

Mysticial

@LoganM Oh it is?

I was probably unaware since I'm more familiar with the Japanese names.

Logan M

Higurashi When They Cry

, known simply as When They Cry for the North American release of the anime adaptation, is a Japanese murder mystery dōjin soft sound novel series produced by 07th Expansion. The games are built on the NScripter game engine and are playable on the Windows operating system. The first game in the series, Onikakushi-hen, w

Krazer

8:49 PM

since there's Higurashi no Naku Koro ni and Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai, and then by Umineko no Naku Koro ni Chiru.

Logan M

@Krazer It's fine to include Kai in the Higurashi tag, but there's almost no relationship between Higurashi and Umineko, and almost all the characters are different.

Mysticial

I'm actually against taking out the word "higurashi" from the primary tag. Since that's the name that I hear the most.

Logan M

Wiki doesn't even have a page for the series. It's just a disambiguation page linking to the pages for Higurashi and Umineko.

When They Cry

When They Cry (Romanization no Naku Koro ni) is a series of Japanese games and anime adaptations that may refer to: *Higurashi When They Cry (Higurashi means cicada, an insect), the first game in the series. "Kai" is the 2nd game in the series and a sequel to this. *When They Cry 3, which uses the title "Umineko" (seagull) instead of Higurashi, and features a different setting and cast of characters

Mysticial

So I'd be in favor of two tags as per Logan's suggestion:

6 mins ago, by Logan M

Maybe we should kill when-they-cry but make higurashi-when-they-cry and umineko-when-they-cry, and have the Japanese names synonymize to those.

Logan M

Honestly I've never heard anyone call it "Higurashi: When they Cry" other than official sources. It sounds really strange to me and I'd rather use higurashi-no-naku-koro-ni personally, but AFAIK our policy is to use the English name whenever possible for the main tag.

Mysticial

8:55 PM

I thought the policy was to lean towards the English title. But if the Japanese title is much more well known, then go with the Japanese title.

The ultimate goal is to help people find and recognize the series.

Not to stick to some blanket rule.

Krazer

@Mysticial I'm fine with that as long as we have a when-they-cry-series for general series questions such as this one

Mysticial

@Krazer Fair enough. I don't see a problem with too many tags atm.

Logan M

@Krazer Those should just be tagged with both. The series only has Higurashi and Umineko, so there's no need for a separate tag in cases like that.

@Mysticial The only thing most people are likely to remember is "Higurashi" which is present in both titles. I don't think either one is a lot more recognizable than the other.

Mysticial

@LoganM I was speaking mainly in general. But yes, in this case "Higurashi" would have been enough in either case.

Logan M

I think the point is that if we have a when-they-cry-series it will tend to get used even on questions only about one or the other, like this one, which doesn't really need that at all.

That, and I don't see what the advantage is for having the extra tag. It seems to me like tagging a question with both tags to indicate that the question is about the series as a whole would be sufficient in all cases.

Krazer

9:16 PM

if we're going to do this we need to be consistent with all the other series as they get official names

which means we need to figure out what to do with series with more than 25 characters in english

Logan M

@Krazer In lots of cases with long titles there's an official abbreviation.

Krazer

@LoganM That makes sense, but do we always use the abbreviations? even if it's under 25?

Logan M

@Krazer If it's under 25 use the full title and make a synonym for the abbreviation.

Krazer

what if the abbreviated names are generic like railgun or index?

Logan M

@Krazer Are either of those actually generic? I don't think there's any way an anime fan would be confused if you refer to "index" or "railgun" without saying the full title.

I can't find any other anime or manga with "index" or "railgun" in their title, and I'm pretty sure any that exist wouldn't be notable enough to worry about.

However, in cases like this, where the abbreviation is just a word in the full title, there's no reason we need a synonym. Anyone searching for that will find it by that word. It's only in cases when the abbreviation isn't a word from the title that we have to worry about.

Krazer

9:35 PM

I guess what I'm geting at is what happens when a manga shares the same name, but a different authors. If we already have one for one author what do we do about the other?

like Yoshitaki Amano's "1001 Nights" and Eiichi Yamamoto's

Logan M

@Krazer Are they related or unrelated series? If they're closely related story-wise (e.g. same characters, related plots, etc.) then it's fine to have them in the same tag. If they're unrelated then we'll have to deal with it on an individual basis, but I think putting the author or year or something would be sufficient.

Krazer

If we do tag it with the author would the author be a separate tag?

Logan M

@Krazer No, the tag should unambiguously indicate what series is present.

@Krazer In this case there's no difficulty. Yamamoto's version is "One Thousand and One Arabian Nights" while Amano's is "1001 Nights"

Krazer

fair enough~

Logan M

In general, if there are conflicts, the best procedure is to make a meta post asking how to tag the series. Also make sure the tag wikis are descriptive enough that people won't mistake one for the other.
I don't think this will be a common enough occurrence that we should be worried about it right now. IMO better to deal with these things as they appear.

Krazer

9:50 PM

I can't really think of a more well-known manga that would have this problem that

I just didn't think we needed to worry about retagging synonymizing/some tags that only have a few tagged questions. For now we can address more popular ones as they pop up.

@JNat Gratz! You're a Fan!

Logan M

@Krazer I think we're going to need to do a fair bit of maintenance with regards to the tags. The larger sites have a script that kills inactive tags after 6 months, but I don't think that's an option here because we have too many series and most of them are only going to get a few questions.

JNat

@Krazer yes I am XD

Krazer

@LoganM we can consider this at a future chat cast

Eric

10:10 PM

Oh right, I have to find some topics for that.

Logan M

@Eric We seem to consistently address precisely 1 topic per chat cast, regardless of how long it lasts.

Eric

That's not true!

Sometimes we get 2.

At least, in the old chats. Now there are too many people to get many done.

Logan M

You can pick a few, but don't count on all of them being addressed. It seems like a lot of these things are better done on meta now, so pick the ones that you think are especially necessary for chat first.

Eric

I'll make a list of all of them, then decide which could be a meta.

Logan M

I'll make a meta post for the When they Cry stuff, since that one can be discussed on meta.

Eric

10:26 PM

Delete/Review closed April Fools questions
Discussing answers (meta topic, are people doing it?)
[japanese-language] tag cases
Asking other sites to feature us
Gunpla (review meta?)

That's what I have for a topics list.

Oh, and resource posts, since I somehow forgot to add that.

Logan M

There are some meta posts I made which were never fully addressed, like this and this.

Mysticial

I don't particularly think the tag problem is really a big issue right now.

Logan M

@Mysticial It will only get worse with time.

Mysticial

Yes, but it's hard to judge what's best for the future if there's too little data now.

Eric

I'd rather address new tag issues as they happen.

Rather than wait until they do, then decide that things are okay or need to change.

Mysticial

10:35 PM

That's why we ended up overturning a number of our private beta meta decisions.

Logan M

SO deletes their low-frequency tags after 6 months, but I don't think that's a viable option here. If we aren't going to do that, we'll need to police the new tags ourselves.

Mysticial

Because problems that appeared early weren't the same as the problems later on.

@LoganM I don't particularly see a problem with letting low-frequency tags sit as they are. It's just the long tail of the distribution curve.

Just look at SO... there 30k tags.

Eric

Mar 16 at 18:35, by Logan M

@Mysticial SO is a terrible role model

Mysticial

If they are low enough to get purged, then let them get purged.

Logan M

@Mysticial The problem is that eventually those tags will overtake rare series tags that we do want on the questions for SEO purposes.

Mysticial

10:37 PM

@LoganM Then we switch nuke them from the questions where they are placed higher than the series tag.

Like I suggest nuking the symbolism tag from this:

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Q: What is the significance behind the apples and boxes?

In the show, the box and apple motifs reoccur throughout Mawaru Penguindrum. What are the significance the two? Does it tie into the plot in any way?

symbolism mawaru-penguindrum

But I'm a bit hesitant since it actually does apply here.

Logan M

@Mysticial Will we be sure to notice when that happens? I think even now it's easy enough for us to fail to notice this on older questions.

Mysticial

Then that's more of an argument to get rid of all out-of-universe meta tags isn't it?

Logan M

@Mysticial Deleting a valid tag for the sake of SEO isn't a good idea. Rather, we should be questioning whether the symbolism tag is valid at all, which I'm not sure about.

Mysticial

@Eric It's not just SO, it's virtually the same with any sort of frequency distribution.

Logan M

@Mysticial Out-of-universe isn't the same as meta. There are plenty of useful out-of-universe tags.

Mysticial

10:42 PM

Well, there's a few things we can so:
1. Manually append the series to the title. (which is ugly)
2. Get rid of the meta tag on a case-by-case basis.
3. Feature request on meta.SO to allow us to choose which tag to append to the title.

(with 99% chance of being ignored or status-declined)

Logan M

In any case, the fact that we're arguing about this now seems to me to be evidence that we should be discussing this at the chat cast. Apparently no one else felt it was worth their time to answer my meta question, so that's the only way it'll get discussed.

Eric

@LoganM I don't like symbolism specifically. I think it's too broad.

Mysticial

@LoganM Well, I've been fairly busy with my MS thesis lately. So I haven't had much time to keep up with meta posts.

Eric

I think at the chat cast... we should bring up all "old meta posts" that we want readdressed.

So they can be bumped and rediscussed, and seen by fresh eyes.

Logan M

@Eric That'll take way too long. We'll spend at least 1 hr per post.

Eric

10:47 PM

@LoganM No, I mean simply point people to them.

Tell people to go back and review them. Not open them all for chat discussion.

lol

We need a G8 summit.

Spend one week, 8 hours a day, sorting the site out. :D

Mysticial

In any case it's clear the root of the problem is in fact high-generic meta tags.

So we should revisit this in the next chat discussion:

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Q: What is the status of meta-tags?

As part of the 4th chat discussion, we covered the status of meta tags. Examples of meta tags are: characters character-abilities variations plot-explanation The questions we discussed are: Do we need them? Do they contribute anything? If not, should we just eliminate them. (and blacklist ...

discussion status-completed chat-sessions

And see what tags we should add to the black list.

One possible solution is to only use tags like symbolism on out-of-universe questions without a series tag. But that will require significant educational effor of our user base.

Eric

I feel like we'll end up with a huge grey zone if we do that.

Logan M

@Mysticial The existing large non-series tags aren't meta tags. Some of the smaller ones are though.

SE just deleted my self-answer to my When they Cry meta post. ;.;

Mysticial

@LoganM What was it?

Logan M

@Mysticial Same as above.

Mysticial

10:56 PM

Can put up a screenie?