Maid Café (メイド喫茶)

Eric

01:04

Hey, we got a new user, not from an associated SE site!

Well, he's kind of from SO. But not really.

Deidara-senpai

02:31

@MadaraUchiha Yes, it is the same.

Madara Uchiha

16:11

@Deidara-senpai I've added you

Mysticial

17:14

0

A: Higurashi missing series?

Shion killed it violently because it didn´t involve Satoshi.

^^ Is that even an answer?

Eric

17:41

@Mysticial Nope.

Do we care for joke answers?

I mean, other sites have allowed them in the past.

Mysticial

Converting them all to comments won't hurt.

So I flagged for that.

Eric

I showed you the 3D PHP one, right? lol

And yeah, good idea.

Mysticial

Not like I'd need to flag anyway since all the mods hang out here. But I wanted a flag anyway. :)

@Eric yeah

it was great :)

Eric

Helpful flags give you badges!

And yeah, it was. :D

Deidara-senpai

18:17

Hey, do you think on SE, high rep users tend to get more upvotes as compared to low rep users, for similar quality answers?

Mysticial

@Deidara-senpai depends

there's generally two trends.

For easy FGITW, the lower rep user tends to get more upvotes.

Deidara-senpai

FGITW?

Eric

Fastest gun in the west. (First to answer when everyone knows the answer.)

Mysticial

yeah

Deidara-senpai

oh

Eric

18:18

22

Q: What is FGITW and SCITE on MSO?

I only read MSO every so often. I'm reading lots of talk about SCITE and FGITW but have no idea what these are. Can someone please define and explain these abbreviations?

Mysticial

Probably not when both users are high-rep. But when one user is a new or extremely low-rep user, that user tends to get the upvotes.

Because the user is new, people are more likely to upvote him/her to give points.

But for more advanced topic, there is an extreme bias towards the high-rep users.

Eric

@Mysticial I find the opposite. People with like 50k+ seem to get upvotes regardless of their answer.

Mysticial

This is because people who don't know the answers are more likely to trust the high-rep user over the low-rep user.

@Eric Not for the really easy FGITW.

Only for the more advanced stuff.

Obviously there's some sample bias since I'm mostly active in the C++ tags.

Deidara-senpai

Jon Skeet has said sometimes that he gets a dozen upvotes even before his answer is ready.

Mysticial

@Deidara-senpai That's because people trust him so much, they don't even need to read his answer.

Deidara-senpai

18:22

lol

Mysticial

Even I get that sometimes on performance questions.

I've posted a wrong answer before, and I got a ton of upvotes before I realized I was wrong. (nobody else did)

And I deleted it.

Deidara-senpai

@Mysticial I guess you get a badge for that?

Eric

"Disciplined", lol.

Mysticial

@Deidara-senpai If they gave it multiple times, I'd have a bunch of them now.

Deidara-senpai

Have you guys heard of Quora?

Mysticial

18:23

yes

Deidara-senpai

I kinda like the point system there better.

Mysticial

lol, I don't even know what it is.

I have an account there just to read answers. But that's is.

Deidara-senpai

The reputation isnt publicly displayed, so only content which is really good gets upvoted,

Mysticial

In any case, rep isn't as much of a factor as celebrity status on SO.

Deidara-senpai

though if you are a celebrity like Jimmy Wales, that wont hold

Mysticial

18:25

Obviously it has to be the right type of celebrity.

And at an extreme, you get the "home-field advantage" questions.

Deidara-senpai

Closer home, I was bemused by this ...

13

Q: Who is this man whose face appears randomly?

Throughout Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei, there's a picture (not animated) of a bald man's face that appears randomly (often as a censor). Who is he and what is his relation to the show (or their creators)? Does he randomly appear in other Studio SHAFT shows?

sayonara-zetsubou-sensei

I got 11 upvotes and a badge for a Captain Obvious google search

I dont even watch that anime :P

Mysticial

lol

Deidara-senpai

The other answer is better there

though the gap isnt much, just 4 votes

The other day, I was chatting with a friend with ~40k rep on SO. He kept blabbering about how rep doesnt matter, etc. etc. (though I didnt ask him).
He eventually remarked, "It doesn't buy you anything in real life." to which I asked him, "If it did, would you really use it to buy anything?"
After a lot of beating round the bush he admitted that he probably wouldnt like to see his rep go down, even if it bought him something useful in real life. :P

Mysticial

If anything, it buys jobs.

I'm starting at Google this summer because they found me through SO.

For that matter, too much rep isn't good. Because that means you spent too much time on SO.

Deidara-senpai

@Mysticial Yeah, there are special folks like you, but even so, you need plenty of other things to go with it.

Mysticial

18:35

I'm probably getting to that level of "too much rep". But the good thing is that I have a relatively low answer count.

Deidara-senpai

If I had joined Computer Science instead of Electronics, I would most likely be working with Google now. Such is life, no regrets though.

Mysticial

I'm actually a dual in CS and EE. But I chose to continue CS in grad school.

Simply because I was better at CS than EE.

Madara Uchiha

18:58

Who can help me with a small Jap-Eng translation?

I received contradicting results from Google/Wikipedia

Eric

19:14

@MadaraUchiha What's the translation? I prob don't know it, but worth a try.

Madara Uchiha

@Eric Astraphobia. (fear of lightning and thunder)

Eric

@MadaraUchiha You're looking for the romaji, or kana?

Madara Uchiha

@Eric Romaji

Eric

Alright, I'll see what I can do.

@MadaraUchiha "Kaminari kyōfushō" seems to be the accurate translation. What did you get from your searching?

Madara Uchiha

@Eric I don't quite remember (and seems like Google Translate was fixed to return this same result, it wasn't there yesterday). Thanks

Eric

19:20

No problem. :)

Eric

23:24

@Mysticial How did this question get top spot on the multicollider?

6 answers, no double-digit upvotes, only 226 views.

Mysticial

Sum of answer votes is high.

And it's a small site.

Eric

Site size has an influence?

Mysticial

SO is the only site that needs double digit votes to get up there.

@Eric yeah

Eric

Ah. 'Cuz this one is fourth.

Mysticial

Don't forget age.

Eric

23:26

5 hours.

Mysticial

5 hours is young

Eric

Younger means a better chance, right?

Mysticial

the hotness equation has the age in the denominator.

Eric

Gotcha. I'm used to seeing top ones from Gaming, UX, and SO, so they're usually very high upvotes. Hence the question.

Mysticial

It usually takes a LOT of votes for a question from SO to get above 100.

A LOT of votes and a LOT of answers.

Eric

23:30

Like, 200+?

Votes, that is.

Mysticial

not THAT much, but it depends.

Logan M

Math has 8 questions on there. I thought there was supposed to be a penalty for multiple questions from the same site.

Mysticial

For something with only 2 answers, you can expect both question and answer to need 50 votes each (within the first few hours) to get up there.

@LoganM yes there is

Logan M

8 questions out of 30 total seems like a lot. Maybe the penalty isn't large enough.

Mysticial

^^ That was from when the question was about 10 hours old.

Eric

23:33

@Mysticial What were the approx. counts?

Mysticial

I'm checking my charts.

Eric

... You charted it? lol

Mysticial

Let's just say that I was a bit excited at the time. Who wouldn't be?

304/508 with only two answers

Eric

Indeed. :)

But I never thought you'd have recorded it! That's good, tho. Makes for nice convo fodder.

Mysticial

It's accessible from the rep histories. Down to the second.

Eric

23:35

Good point.

Mysticial

But copy-paste from the rep-history is good to minute accuracy.

So you just plot it.

And I can check the timestamps to see how many votes it had when I took that screenshot.

Eric

Speaking of plotting, @LoganM Are you going to put up the week's stats on your meta thread tomorrow?

Logan M

@Eric After I get stats in ~1 hr I'll put up the stats for this week.

Eric

Sweet. Thanks.

Mysticial

awesome

Eric

23:40

@Mysticial I just realized: You only had 46k rep when you answered that?

Mysticial

yeah

Eric

You've gotten 40k since then!?

Mysticial

I guess.

I stopped caring after while.

Eric

Though, arguably, it should have been 62k. lol

Grr. I hate geometry in graphic design programs.

Mysticial

Yeah... the repcap losses from that answer shot me to #2 on this query:

data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/84763/…

Eric

23:43

I designed a logo on a small scale using mathematical transformations (angles and such were all determined). Then my program crashed, so I redesigned it on a large scale, using the same transformations. And it looks different.

@Mysticial Wow.

That's just... wow.

JEEZ, JON SKEET. Over 1,000,000 lost rep.

Mysticial

Note that it is by ratio, not by total.

If it was by total, I'm pretty far down.

Since I'm a low volume user.

Eric

Yeah. Only being at ~40k when you answered it was a huge advantage.

For this chart, that is.

Mysticial

I dropped down to about 70% in early January. Then the Pi question but me back up to the 80-some %.

Now I'm probably down into the 70s again.

The data is 1 month old. And NPE has been hard-capping every single day.

Eric

"501 yesterday"

from NPE

Wow. lol

Mysticial

And look at all those over the cap votes...

Eric

23:48

Yeah, but it's weird: stackoverflow.com/users/367273/npe?tab=reputation

Look at Feb 23rd.

Why didn't he get +40?

Nvm. Community Wiki.

Mysticial

CW probably

Eric

I remember the first day I capped. I literally said to myself, "Just 149 more to go!"

Mysticial

lol, I'm the only one with < 1k posts on the first page without scrolling.

Eric

@Mysticial ... lol.

Mysticial

@Eric Yeah, that's a hard badge to get.

I was actively working towards it. Then I burned out at about 120...

Those last 30 days were painful...

Eric

23:51

lol

You need to answer more Qs, I guess. :P

I've only got 11, maybe 12.

Mysticial

I'm up to 200 now. Mostly from passive caps after the branch predictor question.

Eric

So you did get it?

Mysticial

Yeah, I had the badge a long time ago.

I think about this time last year.

Logan M

Does that query factor in bounties? Trying it on Physics, this user has 916% lost, but I think that's because he regularly bounties off any rep he earns:

physics.stackexchange.com/users/930/barsmonster?tab=summary

Mysticial

@LoganM yes it does

I don't know if it factors away bounties that are given out.

But definitely bounties received.

Since I literally copy/pasted that inner chunk of the query from somewhere else and tweaked it to properly handle CW'ed posts.

Logan M

23:55

Oh I get it. Even though the bounties are counted correctly, since his total rep is so low because of them his lost rep counts for a lot more. So the bounties do still help him a lot, just not the way I was thinking.

Mysticial

Since I'm not really active anymore on SO, the only days I hard-cap are the days that I get linked.

So I'm steadily dropping on that query.

Logan M

If you want to max out that query, just bounty off almost all your rep (just enough to stay in top 1000). Then you'd still have the same amount of rep lost, but your rep drops by a factor of like 100 or something, so your rep lost % would shoot through the roof.

Eric

@LoganM lol

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