I have noticed that on this SE, my community flags get handled by a moderator BEFORE the community has its say through the review queue.
Why is it so?
I thought that the SE theory of moderation said
The ideal moderator does as little as possible.
So why are moderator here handling non-mo...
@yannis this is horribly unclear from the way the website works. I want a mod to intervene only if I raise a "mod-only" flag, else I expect the community to take care of it, also following the post I linked
I don't understand what the confusion is? When you flag, you are asking for help dealing with a problem. Help may come from a moderator, a sufficient number of regular users, or both. The type of flag doesn't determine where help comes from. If you don't want a moderator to get involved, don't flag.
No. If you don't want a moderator involved, use the regular tools at your disposal. Only flag when the regular tools aren't enough. If you do flag, a moderator might get involved.
This does not negate what I said. - If I want a mod to get involved, I raise a mod-only flag - The way the website works does not make clear (to me, at least) that a mod can and will get involved with all flags - The SE policy actively says that a mod should not get involved
> The ideal moderator does as little as possible. But those little actions may be powerful and highly concentrated. Judiciously limiting your use of moderator powers to selectively prune and guide the community — now that’s the true art of moderation.
to me there is nothing to be saved, I wouldn't know what to keep out of an edit (that would end up being simply "devastation" (I don't remember the word now))
from your discussion with Carpetsmoker (just to avoid having another long comment discussion) <voting to delete an answer is not the same as unilaterally deleting it. Consensus matters here.> Well, unilaterally saying that it should not be deleted is also not equal to voting not to delete it (what users can do in the queue) So, which meter should we be using? the one where unilateral decisions are bad or the one where these are ok?
@Federico If you feel an answer should be removed, flag it. Just realize that by flagging you are specifically asking for the answer to be removed. You aren't asking for people to review it and remove it only if consensus is reached.
What complicates things is that mod deletions aren't reversible.
@yannis yes, I was asking for that post to be removed, since you told me "regular users with deletion privileges should absolutely vote to delete it." I was trying to get those people involved
Ok, I got it, for you flags are not a way to get the community consensus, despite the fact that in chat there are not that many people and like Carpetsmoker, I'd like to avoid opening a post in meta pointing fingers at each answer. I will open more meta posts and raise less flags here
Let me clarify: I don't think that answer should be removed. That, however, does not mean I get to tell people who are trusted enough to vote to delete not to.
If you have the privilege, and you feel the answer should be removed then you absolutely should vote to delete.
If you flag, you must be prepared that the end result may be a unilateral decision by a moderator. If you don't believe that's necessary, then don't flag.
With that clarified, and with you agreeing that the UI sends mixed signals (unless you don't agree with yourself anymore :P ), I don't think I have anything to add. As I said, my experience is with Aviation, and I understand that each site is different. Maybe having the mods missing for most of the time on Aviation "trained" us to use flags to push stuff through the queues.
Discussion between Federico and yannis
Discussion between Federico and yannis