CG&CC-gaming

12:11 AM

Stayed up two hours longer than I should have, but managed to build my second level in a single evening. This one's more casual though, so I'll let my wife playtest it tomorrow before I upload it.

MilkyWay90

1:20 AM

@MartinEnder Level for what game?

Oh, Super Mario Maker 2

If you guys like editor-based games, then you should try out Geometry Dash (full version)

It's only 2 dollars (on mobile) or 5-10 dollars (on steam)

Nathan Merrill

3:14 AM

@MilkyWay90 Looked it up: It looks like if you like making speedrun levels on SMM2, you'll like making levels on geometry dash

MilkyWay90

3:30 AM

@NathanMerrill There are many slow levels in Geometry Dash so... but yeah, you can go fast too in GD

Nathan Merrill

yeah, there are slower levels, but there's still a flow to them

that's what makes building a good SMM speedrun level

you need a good flow from jump to jump

MilkyWay90

@NathanMerrill Ah, I see

DJMcMayhem

3:54 AM

@MartinEnder Nice, I've been playing around with a more casual level as well (Hopefully trying to implement Mark Brown's philosophy on SMM2). It's intended to be an overall fairly easy level with light puzzle solving mechanics. I may have taken a touch of inspiration from your first level :P

I'm also using my wife as a playtester haha

Btw, I've been experiencing some pretty serious lag on the overworld sections of your level. Any idea what might be causing that?

MilkyWay90

Geometry Dash - Killbot (Extreme Demon) - By Lithifusion - Verified by BoldStep (me)

►

This level still gives me chills

Actually, looking at it now, not anymore

I guess it's different when you play it with Surround Sound

Martin Ender

6:21 AM

@DJMcMayhem huh, no, I haven't seen any lag in the game at all (except in multiplayer). Does it go away if you collect the coins?

Martin Ender

7:34 AM

New zachlike: store.steampowered.com/app/1032170/Robo_Instructus

@AdmBorkBork Turns out both deals are available in Germany, but I only have an 8-day window to remember to get the remaining 9 months. (You can only get 3 months until you've been a Twitch prime member for 60 days.)

Martin Ender

10:10 AM

@DJMcMayhem Looking forward to it. :) I'm also loosely following that GMTK video, although it's basically just Level Design 101 (but in my first level slightly missed the mark with the difficulty of the second puzzle).

Veskah

12:26 PM

@MilkyWay90 Sweet mother of God

Martin Ender

1:02 PM

What is even happening.

Veskah

I don't know but I think I might need an exorcist now

DJMcMayhem

1:32 PM

@MartinEnder I don't remember for sure but I think so. Have you tested it outside of the level editor?

Martin Ender

nope, I'll try that later

Martin Ender

1:59 PM

\o/ I beat GrandPOObear's shell jump tutorial

only took 29 minutes :D

DJMcMayhem

2:15 PM

@MartinEnder So after playing with the editor for an evening, I'm feeling like it's super finnicky about what you can or can't do. Like, I can't put wings on a spring and make it fly up and down, only towards me. I can't make a pipe dispense only a single item at a time (unless it's a power up). I can't shoot koopa shells out of a bullet bill gun. I can't change a mushroom's direction. I can't attach a sound effect to a mushroom that came from a pipe.

Only red koopas can fly up and down? That doesn't make any sense at all

Martin Ender

I think that last part is just how koopas have always worked in main series games.

But yeah, there are some really arbitrary restrictions.

The fact that you can't put pink coins into anything makes my new level a fair bit less elegant for example.

DJMcMayhem

:/ I was almost positive that green koopas can fly up and down, but I guess I could be remembering it wrong.

But why can't a spring?

Oh, and also the fact that you can jump over the flag now has tripped me up too many times for me to count lol

Veskah

Ha ha, yep

Especially good if the maker puts a killpit after the flag

DJMcMayhem

I guess I could do a flying coin block and put the spring on top of that

Martin Ender

@DJMcMayhem yeah I keep being surprised by that (especially since I'm replaying NSMBUD in parallel)

DJMcMayhem

2:28 PM

Same. I'm trying to get the rest of the world 9 levels (So far I just have rock world)

The hidden levels are a lot harder to find then I was expecting

AdmBorkBork

New Super Mario Bros Ultimate Deluxe SX Turbo HD Remix

Luigi Edition

Martin Ender

@DJMcMayhem I recently saw the secret exit in 1-2 in a Ceave video and I've played that level probably a dozen times... so I think I'll just look up the secret levels when I've completed the rest of the game :D

Veskah

@AdmBorkBork Weegee Edition is the superior version

DJMcMayhem

Yeah, I had to look up that one. I'd like to find the other ones on my own, but I'm not sure if I'll be able to or not

AdmBorkBork

2:41 PM

@Veskah What about the Squeegee Edition? It's pretty slick.

Veskah

@AdmBorkBork Beegee Edition stays alive even after all this time

AdmBorkBork

Oh yeah. I like that one, but a lot of people don't care for the music.

Veskah

Heh, Fiji Edition is Super Mario Sunshine but starring Luigi and Daisy

DJMcMayhem

@MartinEnder No, that's totally possible. If you damage yourself on the koopa, you'll be small then you just follow the same path the koopa shell does after hitting the on/off block

Veskah

Also, Hiimdaisy Hiimdaisy Hiimdaisy

DJMcMayhem

2:50 PM

@MartinEnder Oh, and BTW I watched my wife try out your level. She's not as familiar with Mario as I am, so 2 was really really hard for her. And she gave up after 4. But watching her made me realize a couple more notes of constructive criticism for you:

tio.run/…

Martin Ender

@DJMcMayhem oh, duh. of course

@DJMcMayhem not bad, my wife gave up in room two :D

DJMcMayhem

But overall, I think it's a great course.

Oh, and one more thing I thought of: I love the puzzle for the last star coin. I didn't get it on the first try

Martin Ender

1) I knew about that, but couldn't find a good way to prevent it, other than giving the player no reason to ever pick up the P-switch.

DJMcMayhem

(s/star/super/ ?)

Martin Ender

big?

DJMcMayhem

2:52 PM

Sure haha

3) did happen to my wife after I beat level 4 for her haha

@MartinEnder It helped that I explicitly told her how to set down shells so that she wouldn't go through the ordeal that I did :P

Martin Ender

2) yeah, you'd still have to grab it, but you wouldn't realise it until entering the next room which doesn't seem great. I'm sure there's a good solution for that problem though.

DJMcMayhem

I think raising the soft platform above the plants would do it. Although you might have to lower that whole ledge for it to fit

Martin Ender

3) I'm also aware of but was hoping that people who take the reset do so deliberately enough that it doesn't happen :D ... you can't move over the one-way wall, because then you can get hit without passing all the way through, skipping the first mushroom.

DJMcMayhem

o_O Huh, I guess that makes sense

Martin Ender

again, there's probably a solution that avoids either issue though, so good point

DJMcMayhem

3:06 PM

A spike wall instead of doors?

Martin Ender

3:16 PM

yeah that might work, but there's probably still a chance that people will hit it unintentionally

ideally, the exit of the door would drop you through the flower and then through a vertical one-way wall. but then people might not pay enough attention and just take the door when they're small.

DJMcMayhem

So basically, if you make it more idiot-proof, the universe creates a bigger idiot? :P

Martin Ender

:D

Veskah

Yeah, at a certain point, if they miss the flower, sucks to suck. Guess you'll get another chance in 20 seconds

MilkyWay90

3:44 PM

@Veskah Well, there are creepier levels than that, but they are NSFW (or maybe not; I'll still refrain from posting here to be safe)

Veskah

TIO link it

MilkyWay90

um ok

Click at your own risk

pr not really

but nsfw warning

Try it online!

There's only two parts in it though

that are bad

And the video's embedded in two links

Also, did you know that someone made GoL in Geometry Dash?

It's only 5x5 though

El'endia Starman

RIP "Tetris in Geometry Dash"

2

DJMcMayhem

Tetris in GOL in Geometry dash in Minecraft in Ray-tracing factorio

2

MilkyWay90

oh no

So, I need your help (regardless of being it Geometry Dash, you don't need to know Geometry Dash to solve this)

Once decoding my file (the file which stores all your saved levels), I found a level to be encrypted in Base64

One decrypting the Base64 (which turned out to be the same process for decoding the whole file except w/o the XOR), I got a bunch of numbers and letters

and semicolons

So like this would be a data for storing a level with a single block at the origin

```
kS38,1_40_2_125_3_255_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_1000_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1|1_0_2_102_3_255_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_1001_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1|1_0_2_102_3_255_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_1009_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1|1_255_2_255_3_255_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_1002_5_1_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1|1_125_2_255_3_0_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_1005_5_1_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1|1_0_2_255_3_255_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_1006_5_1_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1|,kA13,0,kA15,0,kA16,0,kA14,,kA6,0,kA7,0,kA17,0,kA18,0,kS39,0,kA2,0,kA3,0,kA8,0,kA4,0,kA9,0,kA10,0,kA11,0;1,1,2,15,3,15;

Wait how do I get it to format the code?

Veskah

4:00 PM

```
Can't remember if it's with triple `
```

MilkyWay90

Does anyone know what this ^ could possibly mean

I'm going to try making a level with nothing in it and seeing what happens

El'endia Starman

@Veskah Code formatting is done with Ctrl+K in SE chat.

MilkyWay90

oh

Too late

Veskah

Get Pranked

DJMcMayhem

I could edit it if you like

El'endia Starman

4:02 PM

I just tried but the message is too long.

DJMcMayhem

RIP in peace

MilkyWay90

@DJMcMayhem If it's worth your moderator godly powers, then sure

Wait a sec, almost there

kS38,1_40_2_125_3_255_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_1000_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1|1_0_2_102_3_255_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_1001_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1|1_0_2_102_3_255_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_1009_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1|1_255_2_255_3_255_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_1002_5_1_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1|1_125_2_255_3_0_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_1005_5_1_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1|1_0_2_255_3_255_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_1006_5_1_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1|,kA13,0,kA15,0,kA16,0,kA14,,kA6,0,kA7,0,kA17,0,kA18,0,kS39,0,kA2,0,kA3,0,kA8,0,kA4,0,kA9,0,kA10,0,kA11,0;

That's an empty one

empty level

OH GUYS I THINK I FOUND IT

1,1,2,15,3,15;

I think that's the code to t h e block

I'll try fiddling around with it

Veskah

So everything up to the first semi-color looks to be the header and then it's a list of objects in the level, eh?

MilkyWay90

I guess so

Veskah

If you separate by pipe, the chunks are pretty similar

MilkyWay90

4:15 PM

What's a semi-color?

oh yeah they do

Veskah

It's like a semi-colon but misspelled

MilkyWay90

Oh ok

Let me try two blocks

I feel smart now

I am now the loading screen from Geometry Dash

aww chat hasn't caught up yet

Veskah

Space-aligned header

MilkyWay90

@Veskah Hmm, cool

kS38,1_40_2_125_3_255_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_1000_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1|1_0_2_102_3_255_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_1001_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1|1_0_2_102_3_255_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_1009_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1|1_255_2_255_3_255_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_1002_5_1_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1|1_125_2_255_3_0_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_1005_5_1_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1|1_0_2_255_3_255_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_1006_5_1_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1|,kA13,0,kA15,0,kA16,0,kA14,,kA6,0,kA7,0,kA17,0,kA18,0,kS39,0,kA2,0,kA3,0,kA8,0,kA4,0,kA9,0,kA10,0,kA11,0;1,1,2,45,3,15,21,1004;1,1,2,15,3,15,21,1004;

Hmmm

hmmmmmmmmmmm

What has changed

This is 2 blocks side-by-side

One is at the origin, the other at (1, 0)

Veskah

Only new thing is another tuple at the end

1,1,2,45,3,15,21,1004;
1,1,2,15,3,15,21,1004;

MilkyWay90

4:22 PM

Oh cool

I think 45 and 15 must have something to do with coordinatates

Veskah

30 units wide?

MilkyWay90

Yeah

2 super small movements = 1 small movement

15 small movements = one block

Okay

C?xBJJJJJJJJH=\\Zr|8OFJsOM:BI^}<NZ^&QBZE|l@qZ?Y\x7fi=j]B;YX2=Mf;2\\s?\\:Fq@

F~ngLXgrBr?BNBx9>^MZMdNxSXXs[^sJh:M[IyH}=}fN3]T^|FSA@?&}rQz[TLX?Y}f}AYl:2n^q2diM~ROI;g^J[Q2cyy@QBOy\\EE3&c3:IHFaX\\[Ly\x7fNlBR<anQ\\Rhe9f8s}lSr

&X:2JejDErZ<JlJJ

That does not look like base64

this is after encoding back

Veskah

Sick Pyth code ya got there

MilkyWay90

Oh wait, I forgot that I shouldn't xor back

lol

H4sIAAAAAAAAC6WQyw3DMAxDF1IBUv7EQU-ZIQNwgKzQ4Rtb6aVI0RS96Fm09Wx4W1MzKkMuelGSlyIy4IEIs25UFQFoEsXSSxPUxAc1FPBrCv6vmE8V_UwMXJK4-vyZqP_GS4RvmvJRg19eUz9obFuYDB0lUAPZ9hrrKZIDrWNN8-h81BCMjSWPGrtEgIY7jeZWYcn2m3xvgXyk-S19AnaONyQ7AgAA

Ok, better

Okay, encoding back into GD

Moment of truth

IT WORKS

We changed a level the way we wanted to from the text!

This is soooo cool!

Veskah

Nice

MilkyWay90

4:30 PM

45 and 15 basically mean the distance from the origin

in super small steps

like 1/30 of a normal block

So now we need to know how HSV works in geometry dash

in the text'

Let's go normal color channels for now

oh no

oof

i accidentally xed out of the tab

Veskah

RIP

MilkyWay90

For my Python decoder

Whatever, I'll just add back in the function

kS38,1_40_2_125_3_255_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_1000_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1|1_0_2_102_3_255_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_1001_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1|1_0_2_102_3_255_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_1009_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1|1_255_2_255_3_255_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_1002_5_1_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1|1_125_2_255_3_0_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_1005_5_1_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1|1_0_2_255_3_255_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_1006_5_1_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1|1_255_2_0_3_0_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_1_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1|,kA13,0,kA15,0,kA16,0,kA14,,kA6,0,kA7,0,kA17,0,kA18,0,kS39,0,kA2,0,kA3,0,kA8,0,kA4,0,kA9,0,kA10,0,kA11,0;1,1,2,15…

Any difference?

This time I think it will be in the header

El'endia Starman

I feel like you could find the differences yourself. :P

MilkyWay90

Because we changed the color channels

I am trying to do it myself as I type

Veskah

>1_255_2_0_3_0_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_1_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1|

Another byte in the header at the end

MilkyWay90

4:36 PM

ninjaed

Okay

Veskah

err, packet? Entry? whatever you want to call it

MilkyWay90

Maybe it is the color channel 1

El'endia Starman

Simple online diff tools certainly exist.

Veskah

Oh, box's record also changed. Last value went from 1004 -> 1

MilkyWay90

Just saying that this is a box with a red outline

@El'endiaStarman Oh, thanks for telling me that

I'll try playing around with the new entry

Scratch that, I'll try finding what part i need to play around with

I'll try using different colors and different color channels

ok, decoding

ok, decoding the level

kS38,1_40_2_125_3_255_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_1000_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1|1_0_2_102_3_255_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_1001_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1|1_0_2_102_3_255_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_1009_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1|1_255_2_255_3_255_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_1002_5_1_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1|1_125_2_255_3_0_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_1005_5_1_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1|1_0_2_255_3_255_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_1006_5_1_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1|1_0_2_0_3_0_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_2_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1|,kA13,0,kA15,0,kA16,0,kA14,,kA6,0,kA7,0,kA17,0,kA18,0,kS39,0,kA2,0,kA3,0,kA8,0,kA4,0,kA9,0,kA10,0,kA11,0;1,1,2,15,3…

1_255_2_0_3_0_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_1_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1

vs

1_0_2_0_3_0_11_255_12_255_13_255_4_-1_6_2_7_1_15_1_18_0_8_1

MilkyWay90

5:10 PM

The 2 and 1 are definitely color channels

brb

MilkyWay90

5:20 PM

I'm going to resume this tomorrow

Martin Ender

7:30 PM