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Memor-X
Memor-X
12:06 AM
@Yuuki at least not yet. give him 4 more years
i honestly now think that if he is reelected he'll do more crimes, get them covered up by wars and use the wars as a political point that he is the strength American needs like how authoritarians work, except the made up enemies would be the people he's made the US enemies of
@Yuuki Trump XKCD, for every President Trump moment, there is a relevant contradicting past tweet by him
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
@Memor-X see also /r/trumpcriticizestrump
 
Memor-X
Memor-X
@BradC imagine the crazy time we live in if Trump is convicted. being the first republican impeached and convicted in a senate trail held by his own party
infact such as twist might be the very cure for Endless 2016. fixing the space-time rift with something so crazy it nullifies the damage
 
Stormblessed
Stormblessed
12:25 AM
 
Memor-X
Memor-X
12:40 AM
this is in the north west, while the south east burns
 
 
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Stormblessed
Stormblessed
1:43 AM
First time that sentence has ever been good to hear XD
 
 
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GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
3:20 AM
 
Memor-X
Memor-X
4:10 AM
@GodEmperorDune and you'd think that defamation would cover this
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
@Memor-X its all plausibly deniable
even if you wanted to sue every single account posting something negative, you just can't keep up with the volume
 
Memor-X
Memor-X
@GodEmperorDune no i mean against the pr firm
after all, why would anyone need false information?
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
@Memor-X you have to prove it came from them
it's not like "booo, you suck! (from your friends at PR XYZ Firm)"
 
Memor-X
Memor-X
@GodEmperorDune yeh but if you had a hitman firm you know by the very point of their existence, they are committing murder. or an insurance firm that promises to help scam insurance cases
 
 
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GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
6:45 AM
 
 
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Memor-X
Memor-X
1:54 PM
there's apparently more to the story as i am just listening to a talk show. apparently Craig Kelly then went onto twitter and said that Laura Tobin was a "pommy weather girl", a tweet he later deleted
that caused some backlash from his colleagues before he made a statement apologising to Laura Tobin, but god he's a child
> “I apologise to her. There was a bit of quid pro quo to it, it was at the end of a rather combative interview,” he told The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age.

“I use the word ‘Pommy’ as a term of endearment for all my English mates. The ‘weather girl’ might have been a little bit tongue-in-cheek. But she used the ‘denier’ slur and basically cut me off and didn’t give me a chance to respond.”
that's what a child calls "they started it first"
oh and also "denier" is apparently a slur now
 
Elva
Elva
2:55 PM
I love that the group that typically hides behind "but my free speech!" and similar things is also the group that goes super fast to "That's a slur!"
 
SaintWacko
SaintWacko
@Elva So much projection
@Memor-X Even in my wildest dreams I can't see that happening. The Republican party is in too deep now to do the right thing
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
She could hit both Star Trek and social good with by naming him FALGSC.
 
BradC
BradC
3:20 PM
@Memor-X If Trump is convicted and removed... its hard to imagine how I would feel in that moment.
> “This is where having credibility — and having a president who didn’t lie about everything — would be really, really helpful,” Samantha Power, the former United States ambassador to the United Nations, wrote recently.
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
3:38 PM
 
 
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Tim Stone
Tim Stone
4:43 PM
lol oopsie
Of course, where else would a Bush era natsec advisor work, tbf
Can't believe that we might leave Iraq but only by accident
 
BradC
BradC
5:15 PM
@TimStone Well, the state department/pentagon/White House better get of their collective asses and figure out what the hell we're actually doing and then make a new letter, stat
 
puzzlepiece87
puzzlepiece87
Mission Accomplished
 
BradC
BradC
I suspect that's the crux of the problem: we don't have a plan, and any semi-reasonable idea floated by the remaining few semi-competent adults can be (and is) later rejected/contradicted by the tweeter-in-chief
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
@TimStone Oops All Berries War Crimes! does seem very apropos for this administration.
 
BradC
BradC
5:56 PM
> Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is on the verge of having sufficient backing in his 53-member caucus to pass a blueprint for the trial that leaves the question of seeking witnesses and documents until after opening arguments are made, according to multiple senators.
 
 
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BradC
BradC
7:16 PM
Would be funny if the implications weren't so serious:
 
Nzall
Nzall
 
BradC
BradC
 
user15026
7:58 PM
I am so worried for my Iranian friends and their families. :(
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
@BradC World War III here we coooommmmeee.
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
8:55 PM
@Wipqozn if only there was this organization meant to prevent the outbreak of world wars, if only there was a way for countries to air their grievances without resorting to military action...
 
BradC
BradC
@Yuuki Yep, glad we have one of those. Oh wait...
They're refusing to approve his visa
> The Iranian government was awaiting word on the visa Monday when a Trump administration official phoned U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres to inform him that the United States would not allow Zarif into the country, according to the Washington-based diplomatic source.
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
@BradC Yeah, that's what I was about to lead into.
 
BradC
BradC
insane
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
Heard that zinger on the morning radio.
On the other hand, maybe it's a good thing the administration isn't approving his visa. For all we know, Trump might just order his assassination on the UN grounds after the speech.
 
BradC
BradC
@Yuuki At first I was like "come on, they'd never..."
but then I remembered who we're talking about
 
MBraedley
MBraedley
9:11 PM
@BradC That's a UN Treaty violation. The US (or any other country hosting an official UN building) isn't allowed to refuse to approve a visa if the purpose of that visa is to address the UN as a representative of their country.
... which I'm glad is mentioned in the first paragraph of the article
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
So is vowing to invade Belgium if any US citizen is brought up on war crimes charges.
 
Nzall
Nzall
@Yuuki err... are you making this up or did someone actually threaten that?
 
Mad Scientist
Mad Scientist
@Nzall that's official US policy
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
I think that's an exaggeration of what the law actually says
American Service-Members' Protection Act
The American Service-Members' Protection Act (ASPA, Title 2 of Pub.L. 107–206, H.R. 4775, 116 Stat. 820, enacted August 2, 2002) is a United States federal law that aims "to protect United States military personnel and other elected and appointed officials of the United States government against criminal prosecution by an international criminal court to which the United States is not party." Introduced by U.S. Senator Jesse Helms (R-NC) and U.S. Representative Tom DeLay (R-TX) it was an amendment to the 2002 Supplemental Appropriations Act for Further Recovery From and Response to Terrorist Attacks...
> ASPA authorizes the U.S. president to use "all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any U.S. or allied personnel being detained or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court"
 
Nzall
Nzall
@murgatroid99 ... The Hague is in the Netherlands, not Belgium
 
Mad Scientist
Mad Scientist
9:19 PM
> This authorization has led the act to be nicknamed the "Hague Invasion Act"
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
Yes, one popular interpretation is that the US would actually invade if that happened, but it's never been tested, so that's just hypothetical at this point.
 
Mad Scientist
Mad Scientist
I don't think invasion is the actual concern, but a military action targeted at specifically freeing US soldiers in custody there would be a more likely event
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
How White Feminists Oppress Black Women: When Feminism Functions as White Supremacy chacruna.net/…
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
@Nzall hey, plenty of maps omit the entire existence of new zealand, i'm allowed a few mistakes here and there
 
Nzall
Nzall
@Yuuki you actually were more correct than either of us thought
because Belgium has a universal jurisdiction law for War Crimes
War Crimes Law (Belgium)
Belgium's War Crimes Law invokes the concept of universal jurisdiction to allow anyone to bring war crime charges in Belgian courts, regardless of where the alleged crimes have taken place. Note that this is a Belgian law and is different from the International Criminal Court, which is a treaty body to try war crimes, and also different from the International Court of Justice, which is a U.N. body to settle disputes between countries. Both of these bodies reside in nearby The Hague, Netherlands, although some have said that American Servicemen's Protection Act passed by the United States was...
Essentially, anyone can bring up a war crime charge for anyone else regardless of whether the war crime involved Belgium
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
9:25 PM
I wonder what the visa withholding means for the UN assembly though. Will they decide to convene somewhere else?
 
Nzall
Nzall
@Yuuki you don't need a visa for teleconferencing
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
Man, imagine the UN packing up and moving headquarters over to Belgium or the Netherlands for this.
 
BradC
BradC
@Yuuki would be quite the statement about the world's opinion of the US' actions
 
Nzall
Nzall
@Yuuki Brussels actually has a permanent UN mission
 
Unionhawk
Unionhawk
don't we have veto on security council
like, as it turns out the whole premise of the UN breaks down when people just have supervotes
lol
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
9:29 PM
What do you think the premise of the UN is? Because it's not to make any concrete policy decisions if that's what you're implying.
As far as my understanding is, it's for countries to yell at each other so they can blow off some steam instead of shooting bullets or (more importantly) launching nukes.
 
Unionhawk
Unionhawk
I mean idk but it mostly serves american interests whatever its intent is
 
Nzall
Nzall
@Unionhawk Yeah, and at this point there's no way to get rid of veto powers because guess what? that'll get a veto
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
The UN is less of a world government and more of a world chatroom.
Pretty sure we aren't at the point where we'd be okay with a world government.
And given the disposition of current world governments, I'd say that's a good thing.
 
Unionhawk
Unionhawk
we already have one it's called "fuck you we're the United States what are you going to do to stop us"
 
Nzall
Nzall
Yeah, I wish the UN somehow had jurisdiction over international affairs, like global trade, the Internet, climate etc
and yes, I know the idea of the Internet being controlled by a single entity sounds scary
What I mean by not that the UN would be able to control the internet itself
oh wait, the only thing I'd like to be controlled online is copyright, like shorter terms and universal fair use laws, and that can be done through global trade
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
9:43 PM
> Iranian Foreign Minister: "This is an act of aggression against Iran and it amounts to an armed attack against Iran. But we will respond proportionately - not disproportionately."
 
Nzall
Nzall
@Yuuki read: "you killed our number 2 man, we'll kill your number 2 man, I.e. Pence"
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
hmm... "proportionately"... think we're reaching the point in the trump administration lifecycle where giuliani gets thrown under the bus myself /s
 
Nzall
Nzall
which would be totally proportionately, but quite an escalation
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
But yeah, fun times fun times.
As if any state needed more proof that you need nukes just in case the Americans elect a crazy person to the presidency.
 
Nzall
Nzall
Yeah. My hope is that as a Belgian, the war will mostly stay away from Europe
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
9:45 PM
Because as far as I know, nobody's going to assassinate Kim Jong Un's number two except for Kim Jong Un.
 
Nzall
Nzall
Like, didn't Fallout Lore start with a nuclear war in the Middle-east
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
No, it was a war between China and the US.
 
Nzall
Nzall
both, actually
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
I kinda want to see a Fallout take place in Europe. There'd like be nuclear winter and fallout still due to the sheer quantity of nukes that went off, but no fireballs.
 
Nzall
Nzall
the EU invaded the Middle-east for oil (why else), which started off the resource wars
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
9:47 PM
And so buildings might still be standing and whatnot.
Oh, I'm looking at the article for the Great War.
 
Memor-X
Memor-X
10:09 PM
@MBraedley which does not even have a single instance of "Trump" in it so can you expect him to even read it then?
 
Memor-X
Memor-X
10:22 PM
@Wipqozn when i read "Feminists Oppress" i just assume it's Faux Feminists and shake my head
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
@Memor-X well in this case that doesn't apply at all.
Although I'm not a fan of that term. It honestly seems like just a way for feminism to try to ignore any problems within their movement, which is essentially what this article is about. Very interesting read.
aka people within the movement are being shitty, like TERFs, so you go "oh, they're not real feminists. So there's nothing to worry about."
aka they're just using it to sweep problems under the rug instead of actually dealing them
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
10:53 PM
California has sued tech billionaire Vinod Khosla over beach access, reviving a decade-long legal battle businessinsider.com/…
 
Memor-X
Memor-X
11:52 PM
@Wipqozn personally not so much "nothing to worry about" but more "why are people still grouping these obvious hypocrites with actual Feminism". granted i haven't read the article yet so i don't know if they point this out and it's just the clickbaity title that they don't air quote Feminists in that
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
@Memor-X The articles from a female POC who talks about her experiences (and other female POC) with feminist groups. As in, actual conventions an what not. Not just random online folks.
And also why her and other female POC actually don't feel safe taking part with feminist groups
The tl;dr is that in her experience feminist groups are run by white woman who are only really concerned with issues related to white woman, and don't care about the issues of POC, since their privilege means those problems don't matter to them.
 

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