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@TimStone a shame someone can't go "because you lot are not paying attention, you're votes will not be counted" and then the GOP Majority shrinks to nothing and a 2/3 Majority becomes possible
like what happens to a jury member if they are found to be sleeping during a trail or playing Candy Crush on their phone?
 
2:14 AM
Is this a news chatroom?
 
> "I want to speak with you, but the national journalism association says that when I speak, I attack them," Mr Bolsonaro told reporters.

"As I am a person of peace, I will not give more interviews."
....
> [the National Federation of Journalists] registered 208 attacks - including physical and verbal - against the media or journalists in 2019, an increase of 54 percent compared with the previous year.

Mr Bolsonaro was responsible for more than half of the incidents, it said.
not 100% sure for the context of "attack" here. but given the history of comments made by Bolsonaro, i would not be surprised if when he said he was a person of peace, his breath also stank of bullshit
@StackExchangeforAll yep
 
What news sources are considered good?
 
though if you have gaming news that would also be ok to post on The Bridge
@StackExchangeforAll define "good"
 
I heard a lot of bad things about CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WP, ...
and Fox
 
like unbiased? accurate? inline with you world views?
 
2:18 AM
What resources do many of you use often?
Not inline with my views, but trustworthy
 
@StackExchangeforAll locally i use SBS Nine and ABC (Australian Broadcasting Channel) News which does sometimes cover world story. outside of those i watch Phillip DeFranco on youtube
^ that's Phillip DeFranco's channel. only started back up for the year this year
 
so are you libertarian ?
 
@StackExchangeforAll i see myself as more of a centrist. like i see no issue in wanting strong borders and stopping illegal immigration but there are better ways than a giant ass wall of poorly maintained detention centers both on and off shore
 
Are you a fan of NZ's prime minister?
 
@StackExchangeforAll why's that? so far i have not heard or read anything bad about her
 
2:26 AM
excellent
Currently Australia is under Conservative party ruling correct?
 
2:39 AM
@StackExchangeforAll yeh, though they aren't as "Conservative" as what you get in like the US. our left/right are center left/right
 
I thought AUS politics is more tolerant of political incorrectness.
I forgot to say that I thought libertarian are centrists. Or am I wrong?
Libertarian is also conservative. or am I wrong?
neoliberals are centrists. e.g. Biden
liberals, neoliberals and libertarians are close if not the same
@Memor-X AOC said that there is no left party in US mainstream
Is AOC extreme to you?
 
> Libertarianism originated as a form of left-wing politics such as anti-authoritarian and anti-state socialists like anarchists
 
2:55 AM
I thought libertarian is conservative, because of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
I have given up understanding the differences between liberals, neoliberals, libertarians and centrists.
So they now are all conservatives
 
@StackExchangeforAll given i'm not in the US and thus not exposed to personally by it i wouldn't be able to say for sure, but there was an episode of Planet America that showed that there is a growing partisan divide in term of votes between the GOP and the Dems and generally the GOP are on the right and the Dems on the left i would disagree, but maybe she's talking about a particular core ideology of left-wing politics that's been lost in the Democrats
@StackExchangeforAll well from my understanding "liberals" in the US are the opposite to the rest of the world but that more from seeing people rip Australian/British Liberal Parties at the same time as progressives like the Democrats in the US
 
Democrat Party in US is not progressive, though it has a progressive wing
The mainstream of the party is moderate/centrist/conservative.
According to AOC, Chomsky, and others
UK labour party is progressive under Corbyn, while wasn't under Blair.
UK lib dem party is moderate/central
According to what I heard. I don't claim what I wrote here is correct.
 
3:15 AM
> Q: "Will you show up at your trial?"
Trump: "I'd love to go."
Q: "So why don't you go?"
Trump: "I don't know, I'd... sit right in the front row and stare at their corrupt faces."
Q: "So why not?"
Trump: "Don't keep talking because you may convince me to do it."
i laughed when i heard this this morning because he wouldn't want to and even if he did given what @TimStone has posted before and Trump's previous lack of focus with other meetings i can't see him not yelling everyone 5 minutes
> The management change comes after the channel was immersed in controversy last month when it removed a Zola ad showing a lesbian couple getting married after a petition from conservative groups requested it be taken off the channel.

Perry later announced the reversal and called the initial move “the wrong decision.”

“We are truly sorry for the hurt and disappointment this has caused,” he said at the time.
> Judge Kara Pettit disagreed, instead siding with prosecutors who argued that the law reflected society's common definition of nudity, according to The Salt Lake Tribune.

“It is the prerogative of the Legislature to establish laws incorporating contemporary community standards regarding lewdness,” Pettit wrote, according to the Tribune. “It is not for the court to decide whether the Legislature’s enumeration of lewd conduct is wise or sound policy.”
> Buchanan, who was reported to the police by the children's biological mother over the incident, could be forced to register as a sex offender if found guilty on any of the three charges. She could also face up to six months in jail, and a fine of $2,500.
hmmm, somehow i get the feeling that the report wasn't made to make someone adhere to the law, but more to cause trouble after a separation
 
 
11 hours later…
> — but lamented that the defense team’s case presented more like “an 8th grade book report.”

“Actually, no, I take that back,” he added, because an 8th grader would actually know how to use PowerPoint and iPads.
 
I mean, I don't expect they will but that doesn't mean I'm not going out to vote to try to make them.
 
3:26 PM
ouch
> First, the Detroiter sued his employer alleging racial discrimination in a lawsuit that settled confidentially. Then he went to the bank this week to cash his settlement check, but the Livonia bank refused to cash or deposit his check. Instead, they called the cops and initiated a fraud investigation — actions that dumbfounded Thomas and his lawyer, triggering another lawsuit.
Yep, totally living in a post-racial society!
 
3:37 PM
> “The truth is going to come out,” Schiff said. “The only question is: Do you want to hear it now? Do you want to know the full truth now?”
> This argument has been ubiquitous, including on this blog: GOP senators who vote against subpoenaing new witnesses and documents run the risk that more damning revelations will come out after any such vote, and after their inevitable acquittal. This could allow those revelations to be hung around their necks, as examples of what they sought to help Trump cover up.
> But it’s now clear we’ve been looking at this from the wrong angle. The truth, plainly, is that in this scenario, the fact that the votes on evidence and acquittal will come before any future revelations is a feature of doing it this way.
This comports with the Seth Abramson thread I posted yesterday. The key tweet:
> 6/ Those are the facts on the ground. So there can't be a real trial, as the only thing worse than senators selling out their countrymen by voting for the acquittal of a man they know is guilty is letting us hear all the evidence that he's guilty, then voting for acquittal.
In other words, GOP Senators have already decided to acquit, no matter the evidence. Everything they do in the actual trial itself is designed to minimize the political fallout against them, period.
 
4:01 PM
> Starting with The Five, the network’s early evening roundtable commentary show, and continuing throughout the evening, Fox News broadcast portions of screen-in-screen video of the trial. But instead of playing the audio, network hosts provided the normal Trumpian spin. So while someone who just looked at the screen may have concluded Fox News was covering the trial, in fact it wasn’t covering it at all.
Not that I expected anything better
 
4:31 PM
> In the case of this 2019 coronavirus outbreak, reports state that most of the first group of patients hospitalized were workers or customers at a local seafood wholesale market which also sold processed meats and live consumable animals including poultry, donkeys, sheep, pigs, camels, foxes, badgers, bamboo rats, hedgehogs and reptiles.
> The study of the genetic code of 2019-nCoV reveals that the new virus is most closely related to two bat SARS-like coronavirus samples from China, initially suggesting that, like SARS and MERS, the bat might also be the origin of 2019-nCoV.
> But when the researchers performed a more detailed bioinformatics analysis of the sequence of 2019-nCoV, it suggests that this coronavirus might come from snakes.
Note to self: don't eat exotic meat
 
@BradC And that's why you shouldn't make the Every Meat Burrito.
 
4:50 PM
I am reading about the invasive jumping worm on The Atlantic, and came across this line:
> The sparrow was brought over for pest control and old-world nostalgia, the starling by a group of Shakespeare enthusiasts intent on importing every species mentioned in his writings.
laughs in casual invasive species introduction
 
5:06 PM
Yeah lionfish got introduced to the atlantic because they look cool and got kept in aquariums
and were then released to the ocean either by hurricane or people going "holy shit this fish is growing rapidly and is also eating everyone else"
 
@BradC Yep. All that matters now is making sure everyone knows exactly what the GOP senators are doing, and not letting them cover it up by pretending it's a fair trial
 
Iguanas are also invasive to south florida for probably about the same reason, so one of my friends from down there posted something like "if you see a frozen iguana, you can do our mangrove ecosystems a favor and humanely dispatch them" the other day
 
@Unionhawk Yeah, that's easy to say, but I can't imagine actually doing it
 
at least lionfish are delicious
and venomous
you can get a special license to net those guys in special protected areas (I do not know how one safely catches a fish with venomous spines using a net)
 
5:35 PM
@Unionhawk there's at least a few places that are otherwise nature preserves (e.g. Roatan, Honduras) that have regular "how many lionfish can you catch?" competitions
As well as ongoing programs to train the local groupers (who can eat them safely but do not generally recognize them as food) to eat them
 
Yeah REEF runs lionfish derbies every now and then and just annihilate and cook like 100 of them in a day
the bigger ones hang out pretty deep though hence:
 
The American Acclimatization Society was a group founded in New York City in 1871 dedicated to introducing European flora and fauna into North America for both economic and cultural reasons. The group's charter explained its goal was to introduce "such foreign varieties of the animal and vegetable kingdom as may be useful or interesting." The society's efforts had a powerful impact on the natural history of North America, particularly due to its success in introducing invasive bird species. == Background == In 1854, the Société zoologique d'acclimatation was founded in Paris by French naturalist...
Apparently this was a group purpose-made for introducing invasive species.
 
> success
 
Granted it was the late 1800s so nobody knew much about conservation but that's still horrifying.
 
5:55 PM
> Nine migrant parents who were expelled from the U.S. after being separated from their children in 2017 and 2018 set foot on American soil once again early Thursday morning in a historic, court-mandated return. Advocates hope the reunions will be the first of several reliefs granted to some of the hundreds of fathers and mothers deported to Central America without their children.
9 of 100s? Good start, I guess. But the damage done in the meanwhile is really incalculable
The list of stains on the moral character of our nation is long and tragic; but this may be one of the most serious of our modern time.
 
Agreed Yuuki.
 
@Unionhawk I see no way this can go wr- GURRKKKKKKKK
 
6:10 PM
@TimStone How are we defining "century" here?
 
6:33 PM
lol
 
> "Speaking for the prosecution, here's the defense counsel from 10 years ago."
 
 
2 hours later…
9:06 PM
(boggles at Fox News URL)
> Where does all this leave us at the outset of Trump's Senate trial?
> It leaves us with valid, lawful, constitutional arguments for Trump's impeachment that he ought to take seriously. That is, unless he knows he will be acquitted because Republican senators have told him so. Whoever may have whispered that into his ear is unworthy of sitting as a juror and has violated the oath of "impartial justice" and fidelity to the Constitution and the law.
> What is required for removal of the president? A demonstration of presidential commission of high crimes and misdemeanors, of which in Trump's case the evidence is ample and uncontradicted.
 

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