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murgatroid99

1:14 AM

I am cleaning up a couple of stars. As a reminder, please reserve stars for news items as mentioned in the room topic.

Wipqozn

@murgatroid99 Thanks for that. Never be shy about clearing out stars on non-news items. Same goes for the room owners.

Oh right the only non-mod room owner is @Yuuki anyways,

so same goes for all @Yuuki's

Unionhawk

1:45 AM

looks like bitcoin is too low for mining to be profitable at the moment

lol

GodEmperorDune

@murgatroid99 thanks

Yuuki

I think there was one earlier but I was on mobile.

GodEmperorDune

ah nvm, was caching

Tim Stone

3:07 AM

@GodEmperorDune Just, whew

In addition to Whitaker’s $1.2 million personal haul, he may have violated the Hatch Act by taking donations from three politically connected Iowa donors to his senate campaign earlier this year while he was working at DoJ. ⁦@kenvogel⁩ and me https://nyti.ms/2DzffeF?smid=nytcore-ios-share

Tweeted by maggieNYT on November 21, 2018 at 2:11 AM

His senate campaign. In 2014

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone the veinsssssss

Tim Stone

I mean I dunno about the Hatch Act but I feel like it at least violates the "You better have a time machine because that shit ended four years ago" rule

EXCLUSIVE: Former Facebook prez and Napster founder Sean Parker bankrolled the super PAC of race-baiting Senator Cindy Hyde-Smith. https://www.thedailybeast.com/ex-facebook-president-sean-parker-funded-race-baiting-senator-cindy-hyde-smiths-super-pac

Tweeted by NoahShachtman on November 21, 2018 at 1:49 AM

Also Cindy Hyde-Smith

What a start to Thanksgiving week for Leader Pelosi. Tim Ryan/Moulton wing continues to struggle to recruit a challenger. And Ocasio-Cortez knocks that wing, lifting Pelosi w/ left. Big donors are calling members on her behalf. Obama heaps praise on her. Fudge drops & endorses.

Tweeted by costareports on November 20, 2018 at 11:19 PM

Who could have foreseen this coming?
Narrator who is just Pelosi: *sly shrug*

Oh, Mia Love actually lost?

That brings the House count up to +39

Yuuki

@TimStone The fact that her opponents have yet to select a challenger rankles me a lot.

Tim Stone

3:23 AM

They probably know they're gonna lose now so no one wants to become the figurehead

Yuuki

It screams of change for change's sake.

Tim Stone

It would appear AMLO got a big honking assist from the federal judge overseeing El Chapo’s trial in Brooklyn today. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/20/nyregion/el-chapo-jury-hears-about-bribes-to-mexicos-public-security-secretary.html

Tweeted by nycsouthpaw on November 21, 2018 at 3:23 AM

tl;dr (new) Mexican President was reportedly bribed by El Chapo, to the tune of $6 million

JUST IN - President Trump, asked about the troops he sent to the border, who will be spending Thanksgiving away from their families: “Don’t worry about the Thanksgiving. These are tough people.” https://t.co/GOxfL2nyu4

Tweeted by joshscampbell on November 20, 2018 at 9:08 PM

He could have just held up a middle finger, seems like that would have been easier?

Tim Stone

3:38 AM

Sorry I'm so late with this, but to close this thread ... Here is Judge Furman's opinion denying a stay of proceedings in the Census case. It's fire. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5205341-New-York-v-US-Department-of-Commerce-Stay-Denial.html

Tweeted by chrisgeidner on November 21, 2018 at 3:36 AM in reply to chrisgeidner

GodEmperorDune

5:13 AM

@TimStone tech was a mistake

@Yuuki it screams of "we don't want a woman, oh shit they called us on it"

@TimStone hanging up barbed wire is a tough job

@TimStone i see that the "feature, not a bug" phrasing has really taken off with judges

Mad Scientist

7:15 AM

I bet you'd be on my side if I had killed a journalist. #BeBest https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1065088330969305089

Tweeted by michelleisawolf on November 21, 2018 at 5:10 AM

So-called comedian Michelle Wolf bombed so badly last year at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner that this year, for the first time in decades, they will have an author instead of a comedian. Good first step in comeback of a dying evening and tradition! Maybe I will go?

Tweeted by realDonaldTrump on November 21, 2018 at 3:43 AM

He really can't help himself and gets involved in every mess without any need

GodEmperorDune

7:40 AM

@MadScientist hehehe

NASA to launch safety review of SpaceX and Boeing after video of Elon Musk smoking pot rankled agency leaders

NEW: In a major victory for the rule of law, Interpol has elected South Korean Kim Jong-yang as its new president, rejecting the Russian frontrunner who had been widely accused of abusing the international police body's arrest warrant system. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46286959

Tweeted by RVAwonk on November 21, 2018 at 7:41 AM

Memor-X

10:26 AM

@GodEmperorDune assuming he cares

there'll be a point where he will just ignore them and ignore impeachment

@GodEmperorDune hooray

and don't i'm the only one who initially forgot the "South" and read "Kim Jong" and started fearing how fucked up the world is for Kim Jong Un being any better

Wipqozn

11:26 AM

Trump Wanted to Order Justice Dept. to Prosecute Comey and Clinton nytimes.com/2018/11/20/us/politics/…

Wipqozn

1:11 PM

META META METa

Putting the genie back in the bottle: How a new breed of media companies is convincing people to pay for news again

Very interesting read

Tim Stone

2:06 PM

Oil prices getting lower. Great! Like a big Tax Cut for America and the World. Enjoy! $54, was just $82. Thank you to Saudi Arabia, but let’s go lower!

Tweeted by realDonaldTrump on November 21, 2018 at 12:49 PM

🤔

Nov 17 at 18:51, by Tim Stone

Upset by Trump's Iran waivers, Saudis push for deep oil output cut: "The Saudis are very angry at Trump. They don’t trust him any more and feel very strongly about a cut. They had no heads-up about the waivers" https://reut.rs/2FowzWs

Tweeted by SinaToossi on November 17, 2018 at 3:10 PM

@GodEmperorDune Surprisingly good turn of events, huh

Tim Stone

2:22 PM

Texans for Vaccine Choice, a group focused on anti-vaccine policy, says it has received hundreds of calls and emails from parents of children without vaccines who were rejected by private child care facilities. They're trying to end those denials. https://bit.ly/2Q8Km7v

Tweeted by TexasTribune on November 21, 2018 at 2:34 AM

Oh, oh, I know this one! You can end the denials by getting your damn kids vaccinated

Yuuki

3:36 PM

@TimStone Spoken like someone who only cares about himself and, being a New York native, has no involvement in oil production.

Unless the low oil prices are sustained for quite sometime, Houston should be fine though.

GodEmperorDune

3:51 PM

@TimStone the problem is that the way the vaccine schedule is set up is so you get specific vaccines at specific ages, and once you start messing around with the age you get the vaccines, the vaccines don’t work as well

Iirc there is a standard schedule and like a catch up schedule but it’s not like you can take all the missing vaccines at once and be fine

@TimStone oil embargoes are so easy to win

Yuuki

@GodEmperorDune An oil embargo would raise the price of oil.

Current falling prices are associated with a glut of American-produced shale oil, instability in the Middle East, other countries lifting sanctions on Iranian oil, and coming down from a recent artificial price hike (or production halt, I can't remember) from Saudi Arabia.

GodEmperorDune

@Yuuki right and that would make almost everything cost more to cover transportation costs, but also stimulates growth in the oil industry to open up new wells and do things like fracking

Yuuki

Whoops, thought you were replying to the Trump tweet about low oil prices.

GodEmperorDune

No worries

Minor correction on the vaccine thing, there is no official alternative schedule, just the regular schedule and anything else is untested

Tim Stone

@GodEmperorDune Oh, yeah, which is why you shouldn't try to avoid getting your kids vaccinated for non-medically justified reasons to begin with

GodEmperorDune

4:07 PM

Yep the safest thing to do here is get the damn vaccines unless your kid literally cannot handle it because of allergies or compromised immunity or whatnot

I think the only vaccine we skipped with my daughter was her first flu shot because it was July and the shot was for the previous season

And we got the new season’s one a few months later

I'm having a hard time figuring out whether Mueller's team were laughing their asses off while writing this Papadopoulos filing or throwing shit in anger. https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5218926/11-21-18-US-Response-Papadopoulos-Motion.pdf

Tweeted by emptywheel on November 21, 2018 at 4:09 PM

Goddammit capitalism

Calif. farmworkers say they felt pressured to work through toxic air w/o protective masks. My story from Oxnard: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/during-california-wildfires-farm-workers-felt-pressured-to-keep-working-or-lose-their-jobs/2018/11/20/757f92a0-ec06-11e8-baac-2a674e91502b_story.html?utm_term=.b76bd58f66e5

Tweeted by DPAQreport on November 20, 2018 at 9:37 PM

GodEmperorDune

4:25 PM

.@USDA refuses to disclose which slaughterhouses have processed tainted turkeys and sick chicken #salmonella #Ag #MAGA #poultry #publichealth https://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-turkey-salmonella-disclosure-20181121-story.html

Tweeted by margotroosevelt on November 21, 2018 at 4:17 PM

Cc @Yuuki, insurers are monitoring CPAP machines and using that data to deny claims

Truly unbelievable story here. Quite literally a surveillance-based, algorithmic death panel. Make a law preventing this, unless you want to start a dystopian creep that can't be stopped. There should be bipartisan support for this. https://www.propublica.org/article/you-snooze-you-lose-insurers-make-the-old-adage-literally-true

Tweeted by oneunderscore__ on November 21, 2018 at 4:24 PM

Tim Stone

@GodEmperorDune Fantastic

ANOTHER @NancyPelosi critic CAVES: Rep. Brian Higgins, who was one of the 16 who signed that letter vowing to vote against Pelosi on the House floor. Wow. It's only been two weeks of Pelosi's whipping campaign! https://buffalonews.com/2018/11/21/higgins-in-a-reversal-will-back-pelosi/

Tweeted by rachaelmbade on November 21, 2018 at 4:18 PM

lmfao

@GodEmperorDune Bonus points if it turns out that the unnamed slaughterhouses gifted Sonny Perdue something recently

We haven't really heard much about him recently until he decided to use "cotton-picking" the other day, so it's about time

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone doesn’t Perdue own some sort of ag company?

Tim Stone

Not sure

if I recall though he has a history of shady dealing of government power for personal benefit soo

.@TIME interviewed @GrittyNHL and asked about his favorite Thanksgiving dish. http://time.com/5460789/gritty-interview/

Tweeted by KimBhasin on November 21, 2018 at 4:08 PM

Huge scoop from @TaraCopp. White House approves use of lethal force by troops at the border—and crowd control & temporary detention—something that could run afoul of the U.S. law that forbids the military from performing domestic law enforcement duties. https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/11/21/white-house-approves-use-of-force-some-law-enforcement-roles-for-border-troops/

Tweeted by KatieBoWill on November 21, 2018 at 3:23 PM

Signed by Kelly, for some reason?

Wipqozn

5:05 PM

@TimStone Well on the way to being a military police state

Tim Stone

5:21 PM

New filing in United States v. Papadopoulos: Response to motion https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5218985-Response-to-motion.html

Tweeted by big_cases on November 21, 2018 at 4:29 PM

lol they have all his tweets quoted in there

Hey @realdonaldtrump: being Saudi Arabia’s bitch is not “America First.”

Tweeted by TulsiGabbard on November 21, 2018 at 5:01 PM

...

Phrasing and implicit acceptance of "America First" aside, seems like an awfully odd point for a member of Congress who strongly supports Assad to make

GodEmperorDune

5:46 PM

@TimStone daaaaaang is that the official account or a parody?

Tim Stone

It's her actual account, Verified News™

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone yeah tulsi gabbard is a mess

GodEmperorDune

6:53 PM

If you are 32 years or younger, you have never experienced a colder-than-average month IN YOUR LIFE https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2018/05/18/april-was-earths-400th-warmer-than-normal-month-in-a-row/?stream=top&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosgenerate&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_term=.46f4b5bab2ca

Tweeted by writerfarmer on November 21, 2018 at 6:27 PM

Dammit

Tim Stone

“We do not have Obama judges or Trump judges, Bush judges or Clinton judges,” says #SCOTUS Chief Justice Roberts in a rare statement rebuking @POTUS criticism of a federal judge who ruled against the administration’s asylum policy.

Tweeted by W7VOA on November 21, 2018 at 6:56 PM

I mean I sort of disagree with that but surprising he just threw that out there at all

GodEmperorDune

7:10 PM

A man hurled racist slurs and a punch at a FedEx driver — then died after he was punched back https://wapo.st/2QXoDN7

Tweeted by washingtonpost on November 21, 2018 at 5:45 PM

and people said punching nazis was counterproductive

@TimStone no, we have liberal leaning judges and conservative leaning judges

it doesn't change the legality of their rulings though

fredley

President Trump carries out traditional Thanksgiving ceremony by pardoning Crown Prince Mohammad Bin Salman.

Tweeted by haveigotnews on November 21, 2018 at 6:13 PM

GodEmperorDune

@fredley wrong room

fredley

@GodEmperorDune Holy shit

@GodEmperorDune Right room, wrong link

GodEmperorDune

@fredley ahahaha

> rosecutors, however, have decided not to charge Warren, 41, with a crime. He did not intend to kill Magnuson and acted in self-defense during the Sept. 26 incident, the Multnomah County District Attorney’s Office said in a memo released Monday.

Magnuson’s death from the fall was precipitated by “extremely poor health,” a medical examiner concluded, and the punch itself was not fatal, Senior Deputy District Attorney Adam Gibbs wrote.

Warren was within his legal right to challenge Magnuson’s “racist vitriol,” Gibbs noted, and said that Warren’s decision to confront Magnuson — rather than …

GodEmperorDune

7:45 PM

@GodEmperorDune interesting how the fox news headline leaves off that the guy throwing racist slurs also threw the first punch

no mention of the punch until the 4th paragraph

Wipqozn

8:19 PM

Just 37 per cent of Canadians surveyed looked at the U.S. with admiration, according to new research from Environics Institute, which has been tracking Canadian public opinion since 1976.: globalnews.ca/news/4684301/canada-public-opinion-america

> Their survey shows that while more than a third of Canadians view the U.S. favourably, that drops to just 13 per cent when it comes to how they see Trump.

> It’s Canadian’s lowest overall opinion of the U.S. on record, down from peak admiration at 83 per cent in 1983.

policyoptions.irpp.org/magazines/november-2018/…

> Notably, admiration for the country at large cut across party lines. In the 1983 Focus Canada survey, Conservatives felt the most positive (87 percent), but solid majorities of Liberals (82 percent) and New Democrats (71 percent) also admired the US. America in 1983 gave the world “Billie Jean” and The Return of the Jedi. It also declared a national holiday to recognize the legacy of Martin Luther King Jr.

Interestingly the first major drop happened in 2002, the first year after bush was president

Tim Stone

DOJ issues correction after Whitaker falsely says bomber had help overseas http://bit.ly/2BqplNz

Tweeted by TPM on November 21, 2018 at 8:05 PM

Wipqozn

Started crawling up again leading up to the eleciton obama won, and remained high for his term

GodEmperorDune

@Wipqozn return of the jedi was fun

Wipqozn

@GodEmperorDune but the ewoks

I'm curious what the party divide would look like now

because that was really close back in the 80s

Tim Stone

CENSUS CASE UPDATE: 2nd Circuit denies a stay of the trial proceedings in the Census citizenship question challenge in a brief order, meaning DOJ likely will go to SCOTUS seeking a similar stay soon.

Tweeted by chrisgeidner on November 21, 2018 at 8:21 PM

GodEmperorDune

8:27 PM

@Wipqozn ewoks were great tho

@TimStone wasn't the judge pissed that they asked for a stay already and were denied already like 2 weeks ago?

Tim Stone

That was the District Court judge

This is the Appeals Court affirming his ruling

GodEmperorDune

ah

thanks DOJ for wasting my taxpayer money on the same damn thing, over and over

Tim Stone

But yeah, he was like "wtf" and contemplated aloud that such nonsense might be sanctionable

So now it'll go to SCOTUS, presumably

Who already denied a motion to stop the case

And would be asked now to stop the judge from finishing said case they had no interest in stopping

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone i guess it comes down to JK

"also we included some coupons for beer with our paperwork" ... "motion granted"

did we cover the literal colonizer who got shot trying to convert an indigenous people?

puzzlepiece87

@GodEmperorDune @Yuuki wtaf insurers spy on sleep apnea sufferers via connected CPAP machines, charge them hundreds more than machine is worth in mandatory rental fees and supply costs

Yuuki

8:41 PM

Thank god I didn't buy a fancy IoT CPAP machine.

puzzlepiece87

> When his doctor prescribed a CPAP, the company that supplied his device, At Home Medical, told him he needed to rent the device for $104 a month for 15 months. The company told him the cost of the CPAP was $2,400. So Levy looked online and discovered the machine actually cost about $500.

GodEmperorDune

@puzzlepiece87 wow

puzzlepiece87

> Levy said he called At Home Medical to ask if he could avoid the rental fee and pay $500 up front for the machine, and a company representative said no.

> For instance, Neufeld owed $25.68 for a disposable filter under his Cigna plan, while the supplier was paid $7.50. He owed $147.78 for a face mask through his Cigna plan while the supplier was paid $95.

> His doctor prescribed a new mask and airflow setting for his machine. The medical supply company sent him a modem, giving them the ability to change the setting. When the mask didn't arrive, Umansky called the company. Surprise: a service representative told him his insurance might not pay for the mask. “On Tuesday, you only used the mask for 3.5 hours and on Monday, you only used it for 3 hours.” “You are using this thing to track my sleep and deny me what my doctor says I need?”

Unionhawk

but you see, under single payer or a nationalized system, you'll have someone between you and your doctor

which does not happen under a private insurance scheme

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk hue

Unionhawk

8:55 PM

look at me im the wall street journal taking a look at the nhs under austerity and constructing numbers to my liking to make it look like there's some magic months wait time for truly emergency care

that famous thing that doesn't happen here, waiting for care, because there aren't any stats on people waiting for an insurance company to decide to pay for something

ToxicFrog

literally-the-opposite-of-reality.txt

puzzlepiece87

@Unionhawk 10/10 WSJ impression

Unionhawk

I didn't read it because no, but apparently one of the examples that piece used as an urgent procedure was "elective cardiac care" which, first of all, ???, but secondly,

GodEmperorDune

US tourist shot dead with arrows by endangered tribe after ignoring ban on visiting island. http://www.ladbible.com/news/news-american-missionary-killed-with-arrows-by-tribe-on-indian-island-20181121?c=1542803291199

Tweeted by ladbible on November 21, 2018 at 12:33 PM

Update: The American killed was a missionary who wanted to convert an indigenous tribe to Christianity https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/american-tourist-killed-on-andaman-island-home-to-uncontacted-peoples-1393013-2018-11-21

Tweeted by IndiaToday on November 21, 2018 at 6:55 AM

puzzlepiece87

@GodEmperorDune This is a very American/missionary way to die.

GodEmperorDune

9:00 PM

yep

Unionhawk

@puzzlepiece87 we read this particular piece before our last health justice committee meeting. er, "we", I didn't read it

puzzlepiece87

@GodEmperorDune Looks like God needed one more angel in heaven #blessed

GodEmperorDune

trump is now mad online about the judiciary

i mean he's been pissed about the 9th circuit before but now he seems mad at john roberts' comments

Unionhawk

9:27 PM

A Way Out: An activist with an ulcer asks, “Why do nonprofits exist?”

GodEmperorDune

10:08 PM

The Pentagon estimates that it has cost $72,000,000 to deploy roughly 5,900 U.S. troops to the border. https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/11/21/border-deployment-price-tag-to-date-72-million-pentagon-says/

Tweeted by kylegriffin1 on November 21, 2018 at 9:30 PM

GodEmperorDune

10:30 PM

@Unionhawk this is great

Well utterly depressing but great writing overall

Why copy editors matter.

Tweeted by GlennF on November 21, 2018 at 9:05 PM

Unionhawk

@GodEmperorDune from the makers of a great but often or occasionally depressing podcast, Trillbilly Worker's Party

Unionhawk

10:45 PM

And, specifically,

To all my new followers who liked my @popula essay, I also have a podcast at @thetrillbillies, and @TomSexton and I explored a lot of the essay’s ideas in this episode: https://soundcloud.com/user-972848621-463073718/episode-52-the-chosen-vessel-part-2-the-grit-grift

Tweeted by tarenceray on November 21, 2018 at 5:00 PM

Tim Stone

Meanwhile, a great story from @HenryJGomez and @rubycramer —> Democrats Nearly Got Wiped Out In Ohio And Can’t Figure Out What To Do Next https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/henrygomez/ohio-democrats-2020-sherrod-brown-cordray

Tweeted by chrisgeidner on November 21, 2018 at 10:46 PM

Burn it all to the ground ~~my child~~ @Unionhawk

@GodEmperorDune His third attempt! What an asshole

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone yeah wapo has a much shittier headline about "hostile natives"

> A spokesperson for International Christian Concern said: "We here at International Christian Concern are extremely concerned by the reports of an American missionary being murdered in India's Andaman and Nicobar Islands.

"Our thoughts and prayers go out to both John's family and friends. A full investigation must be launched in this this murder and those responsible must be brought to justice."

uhhh the guy is already dead, do you really want to prosecute him further

Tim Stone

11:01 PM

Did we do Gavin quitting Proud Boys now that some might go to jail because lol of course

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone jeez such a chickenshit asshole

Facebook: we did ask Definers to go after George Soros. Happy Thanksgiving! https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2018/11/elliot-schrage-on-definers/

Tweeted by mekosoff on November 21, 2018 at 10:33 PM

speaking of chickenshit moves, how bout dropping an admission of guilt after the newsday ends right before thanksgiving?

> more like cowed boys

shamelessly stolen from twitter, no ragrets

Tim Stone

11:19 PM

Laura Loomer has been kicked from Twitter.

Tweeted by jaredlholt on November 21, 2018 at 11:10 PM

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone which white supremacist was she?

Tim Stone

womp womp

The Canadian who was too racist for Rebel Media

GodEmperorDune

u wot m8

when canadian brietbart cuts you loose, you dun goofd

Tim Stone

Oh wait sorry Canada she's American

I think she has ties to O'Keefe?

GodEmperorDune

> On June 7, 2017, at a Chelsea Clinton book signing event in New York City, Loomer asked Chelsea to sign a copy of her new children's book She Persisted to Juanita Broaddrick, one of former President Bill Clinton's most persistent accusers. The former first daughter refused to sign it.

that is just dickish

> On November 1, 2017, Loomer tweeted that she was late to a conference because she could not find a "non Muslim cab or @Uber @lyft driver". Following this, both Uber and Lyft announced that she had violated their guidelines and was banned from using their services.

lol i forgot about this

Obama: I "don't buy" idea that a woman or minority can’t beat Trump in 2020 http://hill.cm/3bNELLl

Tweeted by thehill on November 21, 2018 at 11:10 PM

Tim Stone

11:27 PM

Ah damn I can't believe this year was so crazy I forgot about Charlie Daniels going in on Taco Bell about the Illuminati

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone i mean january was about 6 decades ago

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