Zendo

Wen1now

12:47 AM

Okay

There's a rule book on the side ->

ASCII-only

1:10 AM

@Wen1now No LaTeX therefore it's not a book :P

Wen1now

A book has words. The pinned thingy has words. Therefore the pinned thingy is a book.

Pavel

1:30 AM

I have read the rules.

I don't get it.

Wen1now

Okay, if we have enough players we could play a round now

For me, the easiest way to learn something is by playing it

Pavel

Agreed

ffao

^^

Wen1now

Okay, I'll have a go first

(I mean, I'll be master)

Pavel

Go

Wen1now

1:41 AM

Possible Koans: positive integers. True: 2017 False: 2016

o/ if you're playing

ffao

o/

Pavel

o/

Wen1now

Okay, turn order: ffao, pavel

ffao

master: 2000

Wen1now

2000 is false

Pavel

1:43 AM

So what would be an example of a guess?

Or, I guess I just wait for ffao

Wen1now

Guess a positive integer, and either 'master' it (like ffao) or 'mondo' it

Mastering means I have to tell you what it is (T or F)

Pavel

RIP my internet

Wen1now

Mondoing means everybody guesses what it is, then I reveal. If you guessed right, you get a stone.

Pavel

master: 2

Wen1now

2 is true

At the end of your turn, you can (as many times as you want) spend a stone to propose a rule for whether something is true or false

Pavel

1:45 AM

Is this like Contact, where we compete against you, or are me an ffao competing against each other?

Wen1now

If I can give a counterexample to your rule proposal, then I give one. Otherwise, you win

It's not so much a competition as both of you attaining the state of enlightenment

(Enlightenment = getting the rule)

ffao

mondo: 4, I guess it's false

Pavel

I think false

Wen1now

Now you guess true/false and then I reveal what it actually is

4 is true

ffao

this was more of an example, but unless you actually intend on guessing it's usually better to use "master" so the game moves faster

Pavel

1:47 AM

Ok

master: 3

3 is true

master: 2001

2001 is false

master: 1

1 is true

This game is going to end quickly...

Pavel

1:50 AM

Is it?

ffao

or is it

master: 5

Pavel

I have no idea at all

ffao

^

Wen1now

5 is true

Pavel

So far, we know 2016 is false, and 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 2001, and 2017 are true.

Wen1now

1:51 AM

2001 is false

Pavel

master: 2018

Wen1now

2018 is false

And you missed 2000 is false

Pavel

Yes I did.

>_<

ffao

mondo: 6, guess false

Pavel

guess true

Wen1now

1:52 AM

6 is false, ffao gets a stone

ffao

guess: the Buddha-natured numbers are prime powers

Wen1now

Correct

3 mins ago, by Wen1now

This game is going to end quickly...

Pavel

master: 1000

Oh nevermind

My internet is kill

ffao

it's not that complicated, is it?

Wen1now

What do you mean?

Pavel

1:56 AM

I'm going to switch to using my phone's portable hotspot and see if that makes it better.

ffao

Pavel (and pretty much everyone else) couldn't understand the rules

Pavel

No I get it

Wen1now

Oh, I thought you were talking about my rule

Pavel

I read the rules a second time and it made sense.

Wen1now

I think the wikipedia explanation is better

Pavel

1:59 AM

Play again?

Wen1now

I understood the rules perfectly after reading the wiki

Sorry, I gtg

Pavel

Hmmm

Is there anyone we can ping?

Wen1now

Practically anybody online, right?

ffao

no one checks this room

if you want to call people you probably need to advertise elsewhere, though I'm not sure if a lot of puzzlers are online on a Friday night

ASCII-only

<- always in this room

Also I check the sidebar in case it becomes active but I'm not sure how often I'm online

ppperry

2:09 AM

Well, I am ...

Pavel

That seems to be enough people

Who wants to start?

ppperry

if nobody else is interested, I can come up with a rule

Pavel

Well it looks like no one wants to start, so I'll try.

Valid koans are integers.

ppperry

example? non-example?

"They also reveal one koan that has the Buddha-nature and one that does not as starting examples. "

Pavel

1000 is true. 999 is false.

ppperry

2:14 AM

master: 1001

Pavel

1001 is false

@ASCII-only @ffao are you two playing?

ASCII-only

master: 1

Pavel

1 is true

ffao

I would play, but I just got called

I might come back in time to join

Pavel

Alright

ppperry

2:16 AM

so, I go next ...

master: 100

no

so, 100 is false?

False

that disproves my theory ...

@ASCII-only your turn

Pavel

I said "yes" to "so, I go next" but then my internet lagged and put the message after your guess

ASCII-only

2:17 AM

master: 2

oh

2 is false

master: 10

10 is false

my turn now right

2:19 AM

yep

this game is really different with only 3 players

ASCII-only

master: 3

Pavel

3 is false

ppperry

master: 1,000,000 (one million)

Pavel

1,000,000 is true

ppperry

 True:
1
1000
1,000,000
False:
999
100
2
10
3

Pavel

2:23 AM

3 is also false

master: 4

missed that guess

4 is false

fastest call of my life

please tell me when my turn comes

ppperry

now

ffao

2:25 AM

master: 5

Pavel

5 is false

ppperry

master: 1,000,000,000 (one billion)

yes, there is a reason why I'm guessing huge numbers

One billion is true

@ASCII-only

master: 6

2:27 AM

6 is false

mondo: 8, guess true

guess false

guess true

8 is true

guess: cube numbers

2:27 AM

Yes

ppperry

I had thought it was powers of 1000

ffao

all powers of 1000 are true

ASCII-only

Well that was quick

Pavel

yep

ASCII-only

@ffao do an interesting one pls

ppperry

2:29 AM

so, now it would be ffao's turn to come up with a rule

ffao

hexadecimals with only 0xF, 0xA,... oh wait I already did that

Pavel

so...

ppperry

@ffao are you coming up with a rule?

ffao

yes, wait a second

or several

Valid Koans are strings containing only A or B

True: AB, False: BBB

ASCII-only

master: A

ffao

2:39 AM

A is true

master: BA

BA is true

@Pavel

Master: ABAB

ABAB is true

2:43 AM

master: ABB

ffao

ABB is false

Pavel

ಠ_ಠ you skipped @ASCII-only

sorry

master: B

B is true

2:50 AM

Mondo: ABBA, guess true

guess true

true

ABBA is false

@ASCII-only your turn

ASCII-only

master: AAA

ffao

2:54 AM

AAA is false

ppperry

mondo: ABABB guess false

ffao

ABABB is false

ASCII-only

wait what

ppperry

that was a mondo, so everyone should have guessed

ffao

Wait what

ppperry

2:58 AM

that's how mondos work.

ffao

I'm pretty sure I read something entirely different

Everyone gets a stone because master is blind

ASCII-only

Lol happened to me yesterday I think

ppperry

well, I'm going to use mine now

guess: a koan is valid if it has no two adjacent letters that are the same

ffao

AA is true

ppperry

ok

so, I spent my turn, and it's Pavel's

Pavel

3:01 AM

I'd rather not play anymore

Sorry

ASCII-only

Okay my turn then

mondo ABABABABABABABABBAB false

ppperry

guess false

ffao

That thing is false

ppperry

oh, good, we each get a stone

Sp3000

(too late to join?)

ppperry

3:03 AM

no

you may join

ASCII-only

Okay

Gonna guess

Even length is true

Sp3000

ABBA was false though right?

ppperry

correct

ffao

Yes

ppperry

it's my turn

master: BB

ASCII-only

3:06 AM

:/ oops

ffao

BB is false

ppperry

uh ...

@Sp3000 Your turn

master: BABA

BABA is true

master: AAB

3:09 AM

AAB is true

ppperry

edited: True:
A
AA
AB
ABAB
B
BA
BABA
AAB
False:
AAA
ABBA
ABABABABABABABABBAB
ABABB
BB

master: BAA

ffao

BAA is true

Sp3000

(you're missing BBB false and ABB false in that list)

ppperry

no wait

I had a chance to guess

Sp3000

Oops sorry, go for it

ffao

3:12 AM

AAA is false

ppperry

guess: a koan is valid if it doesn't contain the string "BB" or "AAA"

sorry

I noticed that and removed it before you gave that example

ffao

Yes, that was it

I mean, not originally, but we would have been here for centuries if I kept "Fibonacci subwords" as my rule

ppperry

A valid koan is a word. example: adds; non-example: east

ffao

I think I changed rules in the fourth clue or so, and all of my answers are still consistent with both rules

ppperry

oh

since I guessed, I was saying another rule

ffao

3:15 AM

Yes, that's fine

Master: moon

false

master: adders

true

master: bat

false

3:18 AM

Master: add

ppperry

true

Sp3000

mondo: glossy

guess true

guess true

@ASCII-only

guess true

3:21 AM

it is true

Sp3000

Guess: letters alphabetically ordered

ppperry

yep, that's it

that was faster than I was thinking

and I have to go now.

Sp3000

Got lucky with "adders" I think

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