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10:54 AM

Third Steward badge!

Brady

@toscho badge whore!

are you now going to let others review to get the badge?

@Brady But its all pro bono publico!

Nope, Review is mine. Mine alone.

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Brady

pish I wil continue to ignore that area of the site then

as everyone else. throw a hungry dog a bone...

Brady

99% of the time I go there its a smorgasbord of 0's

10:57 AM

when I got the first Steward for First Posts I left that area for others. And nobody used that opportunity. So …

@ALL wtfjs.com

userabuser

11:10 AM

@kaiser lol

When a small hack could solve all my problems

lkraav

hmmmm, what's the recommended way to export/import individual posts across sites

11:27 AM

window.postMessage - a cross domain javascript messaging function. Nice!

How to get the current data in Javascript:

v8Intl.DateTimeFormat().format()

obvious, isn't it?

that’s proprietary code

I know

Just walked through the alphabet in console as I wanted to see which WP stuff is available in global context per default. Made some "interesting" finding on native JS.

12:21 PM

"You Can’t Ask Users To Upgrade WordPress To Fix Their Problems" tommcfarlin.com/upgrade-wordpress yeah, WP 2.x on PHP 5.2.x... nope, I refuse to be WP hipster :)

Useful: wordpress.org/about/stats

12:40 PM

> We should not make something that’s our problem the customer’s problem. Similarly, when something is wrong with your car, Honda doesn’t tell you to buy a new car. Apple doesn’t tell you to buy a new Mac.

Not sure about that.

> If the cost to upgrade ($cu) is greater by a significantly percentage ($sp) than the estimated cost of a realistic worst-case exploit ($ec) times a risk factor ($rf) then don’t upgrade:

if ( $cu * ( 1 - $sp ) > $ec * $rf )
    echo "Don't upgrade";
else
    echo "Upgrade!";

Mike Schinkel

No one needs to update. That's why plugins and themes a) have a stable tag and a wordpress version attached. Don't get all that problem.

1:10 PM

that's why we can't have good things...

Sisir

hey guys, any idea how I can approve a pending post/CPT, or edit or modify a post, without changing the post author to me? Need to do it via code. Not the dropdown select box. There was a question similar to that but didn't had any good answer..

searching for the Q

@Sisir Get the original post data and run wp_update_post() with the new status and the old author.

Sisir

@toscho know that.. but what should be the hook? save_post doesn't seems to work. perhaps after I update post wordpress saves it again?

save_post runs before wp saves the post?

Depends on the logic of your plugin. You can update any existing post any time.

I love the purge all comments feature! :)

1:29 PM

@Sisir As I previously said: Check to url, load the file in you IDE and read through it. "We" do nothing else.

can I find it ironic when parser for WP code uses Composer and PSR0 classes?.. :)

Can someone link this to Rarst and tell him that Symfony works this way, because of the *.yaml files?

2:13 PM

@kaiser why does he have you on ignore?

I guess because of my animated GIF jokes :)

who, me or there are more already? for his animated gif addiction

I haven't seen any in a while

he wants you to look here: phpmaster.com/autoloading-and-the-psr-0-standard

see, it's working?

facepalm ...

2:19 PM

though what it has to do with .yaml I do not know

kids …

That Symfony and similar frameworks use those .yaml files and as he got none (and no Composer), $loader->registerNamespace('Symfony', __DIR__.'/src'); won't work.

@kaiser it does work, but I needed to place finder in Symfony/Component/Finder

basically it must have folder tree

can't have component by itself

yep. namespaces and PSR0 (or whatever that was)

but for some reason symfony\component mapping doesn't

2:26 PM

Well I use Buzz in two projects and have simply written a vendor_loader() class that uses __invoke(). Then, in the vendor_xy class, I just call new \Buzz\Browser(); for example. Then I access all that without a composer.

Symfony Class Loader is different thing from Composer loader as I understand

if you use Composer it handles autoload, if not - then can use Class Loader

I simply ignored that and went with default spl_* stuff.

spl_autoload_register( null, false );

spl_autoload_extensions(
	".class.php,.abstract.php,.interface.php,"
	.spl_autoload_extensions()
);

spl_autoload_register();

default stuff doesn't cut for Symfony because namespaces and stuff

Oh, and I added my pathes to the include Path.

Can only tell for Buzz, which works fine so far. Still plenty of room for improvements on those Webapps.

2:51 PM

hmmmm if I start using symfony loader in plugins am I going to start running into issues if others start using it to in various PHP versions?

@TomJNowell WP plugins? it won't work with WP style class names

I know, but for my own classes etc

e.g. wp-content\plugins\exampleplugin\tomjn\stuff\example.php

what if I added a second plugin that used the same system?

or if it also had an example class exampleplugin2\tomjn\stuff\example.php

I just generisized my autoloader for WP classes and use it gist.github.com/Rarst/5049915

low tech... we are behind the curve in WP to need all those fancy namespaces and stuff :(

if we can lead by example though...

granted use cases for us both aren't quite the same

do we have multi-million download plugins and automattic paycheck I hadn't noticed to lead by example? :)

2:59 PM

perhaps fi we lead by example we'll eventually get them?

from quick google symfony is php 5.3

namespaces, duh

so no class loader in WP unless you require 5.3...

hmmm =/

01100001

3:15 PM

Planning to dump mouse, and keep trackpad usage to minimum. So, how do you do it? Keyboard shortcuts + macros (e.g. AutoHotkey?)... is that all? :-/

3:32 PM

hey peeps, can i ask a random question. Is there a way of restricting particular uses to have the ability to edit one page, say their page for example

Ryan has his parser taking input from command line and writing results to JSON files... are we even in same PHP?.. :)

@KirstyHarris this indicates a flawed approach, that you have arrived at this problem means you need to step back and re-architect your solution

hmm ok @TomJNowell it was just an idea, i know u can restrict certain ways etc, i just wondered just how flexible it were

flexible as in misuse :)

lol

3:40 PM

@KirstyHarris you can make door handles different shapes for different people too, doesn't mean it's a good idea, and anyone asking is likely to get weird looks. I fail to see how programming and WordPress is any different

Just check the post type "page" capabilities, then inspect the roles capabilities and assign a lower role so those users can't edit others posts this anymore.

well this is a person who is not programming savvy

well then this is a person who should go and make some PHP online courses :)

CodeCademy just added PHP track :)

lol :)

i need to dont i ;)

3:57 PM

@KirstyHarris this is fixable, we weren't at one point, well except toscho

got WP-Parser working. pro - working parser, con - not smart enough to understand how it works and skipping writing my own parser

4:12 PM

@Rarst when you've got something working well I'd like to try it out on some plugins and internal projects, see what kind of documentation I can generate for those

@TomJNowell WP-Parser is working, just interface sucks at moment (I had to butcher it)

5:16 PM

// Update Title
'' !== wp_text_diff( $el['post_title'], $GLOBALS['post']->post_title )
	AND $GLOBALS['post']->post_title = $el['post_title'];
// Update Content
'' !== wp_text_diff( $el['post_content'], $GLOBALS['post']->post_content )
	AND $GLOBALS['post']->post_content = $el['post_content'];

Handy "trick" to check if the content or the title changed... Not sure if there isn't something more practicable than using wp_text_diff().

6:01 PM

Hereby I question the efficiency of the wp.org plugin review.

There is even the Eclipse .project file in the SVN repo.

8:16 PM

Composer support in PhpStorm - dependency manager for PHP http://ow.ly/iwugf

Tweeted by webide on March 7, 2013 at 6:52 PM

right in time :) well, soon...

I can't think of anything I would use composer with for WP

I refuse to be chained by medieval WP practices :D

ya chained to making money via wp

I am not making a cent with WP right now...

seriously, WP is becoming rapidly detached from PHP landscape. it chose to silo its ecosystem and now upstream improvements don't reach it

composer is one of those cases

it's kinda weird, I feel wp is holding my learning curve back because I have bills to pay and not enough time to jump into something else

ya I agree 100%, in 5 years just imagine what it will be like

8:27 PM

I think it's just a matter of reframing only doing things that are common in WP into doing things that are common in real PHP dev and making use of WP as one of them

every monolith faces this at some point, they go from innovation to the back of the line, some survive (IBM for example) while other's fade away

actually they don't really fade away, they hang around clinging to anything they can

I don't think WP position is at risk yet - it's too good at what it does, but I do think they are up for unpleasant discoveries in the future about "application framework" heading

ya it's practically impossible to compete with 22k plugins at this point

and the themes...all the themes

this is a interesting read on preservation of long term content ( like for decades) gwern.net/About

Interested in a better code reference for WordPress? http://make.wordpress.org/docs/2013/03/07/better-wordpress-code-reference/ cc: @pgibbs @rmccue @joncave @melchoyce @Rarst

Tweeted by SiobhanPMcKeown on March 7, 2013 at 6:52 PM

I am already mentally ready for people calling QP official docs ripoff :)

8:48 PM

how will the comments be done, moderated or by a vote system?

they are only planning that. that's why I am very hesitant to go there at QP. it's a messy feature.

seen how hapyp toscho been lately about reivews? this is going to be worse

php.net model seems the easy option, but wether itll be as good as that even

ya exactly, lots of work, I think only option is votes

yes, and WikiPedia seems to be good model just look like how well it worked out for Codex :) it's not a matter of choosing right model...

hey I bet people click your github link way more than trac link on queryposts?

8:52 PM

not tracking that...

ro anythign really, just dropped GA in

I wonder if I can report this out of generic data

> Because links that lead away from your site are not automatically tracked by Google Analytics, you will need to manually tag all outbound links you want to track.

meh!

lol

just do it on the most popular function page

GA is too freaking complicated, I have ton of bookmarks on how to do things with it and never get to implementing them... it should focus on doing things with data you already have, not setting up convoluted configurations to gather that data

no way I would ever click an svn link when github link is available

I "like" how bitbucket link is invisible in this conversation :)

I am somewhat fed up maintaining that mirror :\

haha well I'll click bitbucket over svn too

9:01 PM

trac has its perks like linking to isssues. well... perk

9:23 PM

pretty soon, WordPress will be a plugin for Jetpack

Tweeted by wonderboymusic on March 7, 2013 at 6:45 PM

9:47 PM

@Rarst This is pretty much a QP ripoff. But they're going to clone the current state. 18month later it's old hat and QP lightyears ahead... again.

@kaiser well, it's meant to be QP ripoff :) it will take some time to see how will we compare on iteration speed

they have advantage in developers, designer and SEO... I have advantage in not having Matt for a boss. that's about it :)

@Rarst Aside from that you have the advantage of having an idea during tea break and a solution right after lunch... without discussion :D

wpseek comes up a lot in my searches

And I can't read in it. It's a mess.

@Rarst compare the quantity to the rate of progress on improving the plugin repo..

10:02 PM

they have a mobile app wth

wpseek?

play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wpseek.mobile

Twitter application secrets...

I geuss they have thier own API

could even be just a giant rss feed

most mobile apps these days are

10:04 PM

they have an api here wpseek.com/api

with a jquery plugin to boot

wonder how they make money with it

maybe they're like rarst?

@Rarst whats your business model?

10:22 PM

@Wyck wpseek has UX issues as for me. it's messy to use

@TomJNowell where in QP? none whatsoever

that's why it's so nice

I don't have to lie to myself that half a dozen ads will not spoil experience thaaat much, etc

@Rarst ya the readability sucks , they just ranked somewhat high

Georgia font like comon

love this job listing.. Web Developer: Extensive experience working with Oracle and SQL. VB, C and C++, Java, JSP, HTML, XML , SOAP, and ASP

a sign of a retarded company

hmmm... I just had some thoughts morph in my head for thing QP could expand into where dot org won't go :) *quiet evil laugh... getting louder*

10:51 PM

celebrity porn in sidebar

regretfully porn is illegal here :)

wow really? Here is like the biggest market of the web industry

I live in the world capitol of porn

online that is *

we are like the only spot from europe to china (exclusive) where it is

Pornography by region

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hillarious part:

> Pornography for 'medical purpose', however, remains legal.

the porn biz here employs like tens of thousands of devs, not many people know about it though

don't know about thosands but not uncommon here either... freelance!