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10:03 AM
@thesecretmaster and others, I made a new "answer" to the "answers in comments" question on Meta, looking for a way to cut the knot.
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A: What should we do about answers in the comments?

BuffyOn March 23, 2017 an unregistered user made the following comment: I'm not quite sure what you're actual suggestion is here. What should we do when someone posts an answer in a comment and then they don't come back and write an answer? – thesecretmaster♦

 
10:24 AM
User @Jay from India has returned to answer a question.
 
 
2 hours later…
12:03 PM
How come nobody's voting on the answer to that meta?
 
12:14 PM
Lazy. I am.
Actually there is less incentive to vote, I think. Though I know the reason for it.
If we are talking about closing unclear questions, consider this one: cseducators.stackexchange.com/q/4549/1293. I hesitate to vote to close since mine is the only viable answer.
On the question of duplicate answers, I don't think this adds anything to the ideas already expressed: cseducators.stackexchange.com/a/4552/1293
 
I'm torn by that question. There's an example which appears to contain a mistake, but the intention seems obvious so that could be corrected leaving a reasonable question, mixed with some tangential commentary, ending with a rather broad question on how to "make things stick" (which I would suggest is unanswerable)
 
@Aurora0001 I don't think your last comment is valid. We do know how to do that and my answer tries to get at it. But I can't promise you that the OP of the question actually made a mistake here. The poor coding might have been the actual intent in asking the question. But I worry about whether this question is trolling us. An attempt to see whether we "experts" would catch it.
I took me two tries and a hint from @ctrl-alt-delor to see the "bug". And I'm pretty good at this.
The apparent self answer also seems to be a troll.
 
12:30 PM
@Buffy I think your answer is good, but fundamentally, "How to make the very basics of programming thought stick?" begins to fall on the excessively broad. That said, I see your point that the ambiguity is an issue and have voted accordingly
Perhaps also consider voting to delete that answer (???) because it seems way off the mark
 
@Aurora0001 Agree that it is too broad stated that way. But for most refinements, the answer is the same. Repetition, practice, reinforcement. Beginning teachers too seldom understand that.
Ok. I voted, but still feel a bit sad about having to.
Voted on the question, actually.
 
There is still a (perhaps small) chance that the author might come back (they can in theory recover their account if they wanted to)
 
They are unregistered. If they routinely delete cookies, I don't think it is possible. There are a number of user IDs that seem to be the same person.
Maybe mod intervention lets a user connect to such an ID. You would know better than I, of course.
 
If they provided their email, they can recover it at any time. If they didn't, then I suppose you're right, it is lost.
Moderators can't do anything in that case. SE employees in theory have the capability, but it's doubtful that they would owing to the security issues
 
But I don't see any attempt by the user to re-connect. Unregistered users don't need to provide email. I doubt any do.
@Aurora0001 I agree about the security issue.
I'll be away for a couple of hours. Enjoy the show. It's a really good show.
 
12:47 PM
See you later, @Buffy
Any spare delete votes for this, by the way?
 
1:39 PM
@Aurora0001 I thought roomba would kill it anyway. Closed and at -7 votes, no answers.
Voted nonetheless
 
@GypsySpellweaver It will do, eventually, after at least 9 days of the question being closed
But it still clutters up the new question list... and it's not salvageable by any sort of editing
 
2:14 PM
Salvage won't happen, that's an absolute for that one.
 
2:51 PM
@Aurora0001 I didn't know that was needed. I thought it would disappear naturally.
Deleted, I guess, but still cluttering. Maybe just fo those with a certain rep.
 
The pinkish background on posts shows that it's deleted, but you, as a high-rep user, get to see it anyway.
 
@Buffy Once deleted, it doesn't show up unless you have the link to the question (and you have the privilege to view it). While it's closed, it still shows up on the new questions list, etc etc
 
 
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4:01 PM
I wonder if it would be useful for the help center to say something about cookies. If unregistered users are assigned "credentials" based on a cookie then someone who refuses or frequently deletes cookies will appear as a new user on each visit.
That may not be a problem in general, but it should be known to new users and might induce some to actually register.
 
I think most Internet users that would end up here with questions and answers understand cookies well enough to know that their content is being lost without cookies. If not, the first time they try to edit their post, or comment back to others, they will find out that it's not working.
I have to presume that the current user knows what they are doing, and made the choice knowingly.
 
4:26 PM
Anyone can propose an edit to anything, including unregistered users, no?
The edits just go onto the review queue.
@Aurora0001 ^ ^ ^ I'm correct, yes?
 
@BenI. Indeed, but reviewers (rightly) tend to reject substantial changes that change meaning, so it doesn't quite fix the problem
 
With the homework picture, the problem can't be fixed anyway. It's off-topic no matter how it's "fixed."
 
5:00 PM
I deleted that, because it was clearly unfixable.
 
I seen that.
Your name was third on the list of "deleted by" users. The diamond filled in the other "votes"
 
5:31 PM
@GypsySpellweaver I believe it takes only 3 votes to delete, period.
 
only takes 1 with a diamond :)
 
 
1 hour later…
6:43 PM
@thesecretmaster I thought it was five of us hoi polloi.
 
@Buffy Hey, that's not nice. I'm only one, not many.
 
@GypsySpellweaver There's nothing derogatory about the term. = "the populace"
 
@thesecretmaster Generally 3, but some very popular (= highly upvoted) questions require more; it scales up according to some formula
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A: Should delete votes be limited like close votes?

Jarrod DixonWe had discussed this before, but deferred until there was a problem - it seems we now have a problem :) The new rules (also apply to undelete votes): 10k rep users get 5 deletion votes per day on questions they don't own - deletion rules on questions one does own are still in effect. Popular ...

There's the formula if you're interested
 
6:59 PM
@Aurora0001 Thanks.
There is also a term in Greek for the aristocracy, hoi *, but I can't remember it and never studied Greek. (& failed Latin in HS)
 
7:23 PM
Ah: hoi oligoi = diamond mods
 
Does that mean they are the oligarchy?
 
Failed Latin, but not wikipedia.
 
Better than kakistocracy
 
Only thing I remember from Latin was having to read Winnie Ille Pu
@Buffy That would be the grand olde USofA
 
7:27 PM
@GypsySpellweaver Seems like, lately.
@BenI., How is the wee bairn? Does she have an account here yet?
 
Born just a bit late for a personalized Toys R Us credit card tho.
What we need around here right now is a hoi voteroi. Bigly.
 
Not a clue what hoi voteroi is. But I suspect that Ben needs, if not already has, an account on Parenting
 
@GypsySpellweaver How about hoi up-voteroi, is that clearer?
 
Ok, voters Greek-ify'd.
Dense sometimes
 
7:42 PM
@GypsySpellweaver well, Geek-ify'd, anyway.
 
In my other life I write for Saturday Night Live.
No. No, I don't. Sorry.
 
As someone once told Remo Williams, "I'm better than that" probably applies to you writing for SNL.
 
Comedy is all in the timing. i.e. knowing when to get off the stage.
 
Just before the tomatoes fly, would be my option.
 
7:50 PM
I need to go put on my chef's hat. Pizza Night at the doghouse.
 
PIZZA!! Party-time.
 
We had a bear in the yard overnight. Pretty rare. Tore up the bird feeders pretty good.
 
 
4 hours later…
11:55 PM
@Buffy She's rising in the ranks. Today, she lost her umbilical cord.
I do, indeed have an account on Parenting. And I just posted my first question there :)
 
:D
Having been raised "country" I'll leave that one alone. I'm sure that my experiential data is, aside from unscientific, no longer politically correct.
 

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