Room for Daminark and SoumyoB

Daminark

20:18

Tell me here in that case

I'm interested in knowing

(If the others wanna hear it share it on the main chat but if you really think it's not right, do say so :P)

SoumyoB

do you know about the MGTOW and MRA communities?

Daminark

I'm not familiar with them

SoumyoB

well there is this community of men (exclusively) that sees unfairness and double standards in society against men-specifically how family courts handle divorce cases, domestic violence cases, and other sex crime cases

whether or not it exaggerates statistics is something I am unaware of

but I was part of these communities

the MGTOW communities have abandoned marriage completely

Daminark

Oh wow

SoumyoB

the reason they give goes something along that marriage results in sadness or enslavement to the female partially or completely, and even divorce

and that in the latter case, alimony is almost always won by the female, forced on the male to be paid, by the divorce court, and this also includes the loss of child custody and an additional burden of child support if there are children involved

finally, if you're unable to pay them, you end up in prison (or so the MGTOW/MRA communities say)

so they say "Fuck marriage. let's go our own ways" hence MGTOW-Men Going Their Own Way

should I continue?

Daminark

20:27

Go on

SoumyoB

I've only scratched the surface of the foundation of beliefs these communities hold-and there are some statistics to back them up.

However, the only flaw here comes from the fact that men who stay single die earlier, and also have an earlier onset of several mental and physical illnesses

Daminark

How much of the latter do you think is causality?

SoumyoB

that's what research in psychology shows, and formerly when I had been in these communities I stumbled into this research and this is what caused all the dilemma

they did control for various factors, and lack of marriage/female companionship is part of the cause

Daminark

Hmm

SoumyoB

so right now I see two options-go into academics and live a well-settled lifestyle, or go into industry and earn lots of money and live a sort of hedonistic lifestyle (which had been my plan earlier on)

so that's what my dilemma was

Daminark

20:36

I think in the case of marriage, there are various ways it can go

SoumyoB

as I had already said, this is something that could have upset many

Daminark

Marriage would need to be done rather carefully

SoumyoB

you're absolutely right

it's a huge, HUGE gamble

anyway I gotta go dude, may be some day later I'll explain more to you :P

Daminark

Like, there has to be 100% open communication from the start, no secrets at all

SoumyoB

it's not that simple

Daminark

20:37

Needs to be based simultaneously on love, respect, friendship, etc

SoumyoB

trust me it's not that simple

Daminark

I mean, so in what research I've done, most marriage problems are functions of money

And secrecy

At least those that end in divorce

(In-laws seem to be the second biggest problem)

SoumyoB

there are more factors, several more

Daminark

I mean, the stats I've seen peg these problems at basically 90%

SoumyoB

the male's physical attractiveness is also a factor, for example (of course so is the female's but that of the male is something that's hardly ever expected)

you're right though

Daminark

20:40

So that's why I'm saying it's not really a "gamble"

I think my parents had one big thing going for them though

Which is honestly an argument for marrying somewhat younger as far as I see it

Financially, my dad didn't have much to bring to the table

SoumyoB

times have changed

Daminark

I mean sure, but that's actually a principle I think holds to now

Because if you're insanely rich

There will be people who will come to you and can play a damn good act at sincerity

SoumyoB

anyway dude, it's 2:12 am here, I really gotta go now, as interesting as our conversation might be

we'll continue this later on

Daminark

If you're not especially desirable, and your marriage sprouts from genuine love/friendship/respect, it's gonna be harder to come by, but you're more likely to last once it happens

Alright, see you! (Lol I'm used to going to sleep at 3 :P)

SoumyoB

so am I, but I'm trying to correct this :P

anyway see ya!

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$Mathematics$ Room for Daminark and SoumyoB